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Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid

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  Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid Michael Phillips <me@odtaa.com.invalid> - 2025-02-26 09:39 +0000
    Re: Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-02-26 09:59 +0000
      Re: Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid Michael Phillips <me@odtaa.com.invalid> - 2025-02-26 10:47 +0000
        Re: Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-02-26 11:26 +0000
          Re: Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid Adrian Caspersz <email@here.invalid> - 2025-03-03 19:27 +0000
            Re: Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-03-03 20:15 +0000
          Re: Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> - 2025-03-04 17:07 +0000
            Re: Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> - 2025-03-04 17:25 +0000
              Re: Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2025-03-04 17:50 +0000
                Re: Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2025-03-04 22:28 +0100
                Re: Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> - 2025-03-05 00:28 +0000
    Re: Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid [OT] liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2025-02-26 10:44 +0000
      Re: Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid [OT] Michael Phillips <me@odtaa.com.invalid> - 2025-02-26 11:35 +0000
        Re: Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid [OT] liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2025-02-26 12:08 +0000
          Re: Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid [OT] John Hill <watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk> - 2025-02-27 08:35 +0000
            Re: Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid [OT] David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-27 09:19 +0000
        Re: Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid [OT] David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-28 10:46 +0000
    Re: Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid Michael Phillips <me@odtaa.com.invalid> - 2025-03-10 11:14 +0000
      Re: Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> - 2025-03-11 01:37 +0000
      Re: Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2025-03-13 10:19 +0100
        Re: Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid Michael Phillips <me@odtaa.com.invalid> - 2025-03-13 10:04 +0000

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#180482 — Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid

FromMichael Phillips <me@odtaa.com.invalid>
Date2025-02-26 09:39 +0000
SubjectAirpod Pro 2 as hearing aid
Message-ID<yowACCqaRoXSwIdHdgGBXvinJLtaYIdr@news.usenet.farm>
I recently purchased a new bike and was disappointed that the bell
didn't work. Having sent a complaint to the manufacturer I subsequently
discovered that everyone else could hear the ping of the bell, only I
could hear nothing. This prompted me to take an online hearing frequency
test. At my age I should be able to hear up to 8,000Hz but after 3,500Hz
is silence.
I must admit, too, that I have to resort to subtitles on the TV more
frequently. Actors nowadays do tend to mutter and mumble.
I know that some in this group are, like me, superannuated so I wonder
if any are using Apple's Airpod Pro 2 as a hearing aid and with what
success.

-- 
mhphillips at gmail dot com

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#180484

FromTheo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
Date2025-02-26 09:59 +0000
Message-ID<WFe*-L77z@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>
In reply to#180482
Michael Phillips <me@odtaa.com.invalid> wrote:
> I recently purchased a new bike and was disappointed that the bell
> didn't work. Having sent a complaint to the manufacturer I subsequently
> discovered that everyone else could hear the ping of the bell, only I
> could hear nothing. This prompted me to take an online hearing frequency
> test. At my age I should be able to hear up to 8,000Hz but after 3,500Hz
> is silence.
> I must admit, too, that I have to resort to subtitles on the TV more
> frequently. Actors nowadays do tend to mutter and mumble.
> I know that some in this group are, like me, superannuated so I wonder
> if any are using Apple's Airpod Pro 2 as a hearing aid and with what
> success.

AIUI hearing aid functionality is not approved for use in the UK.  There
were noises a couple of wweks ago from the government that they would
expedite the process but no date has been announced.

Theo

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#180488

FromMichael Phillips <me@odtaa.com.invalid>
Date2025-02-26 10:47 +0000
Message-ID<DtQQKzEofJhpOghZIbzBpqVNpAycYOEZ@news.usenet.farm>
In reply to#180484
On 26 Feb 2025 at 09:59:24 GMT, "Theo"
<theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

> AIUI hearing aid functionality is not approved for use in the UK.  There
> were noises a couple of wweks ago from the government that they would
> expedite the process but no date has been announced.

According to Apple the Hearing Test feature and the Hearing Aid feature
is available in UK and Ireland. It's only the Hearing Protection feature
that is restricted to USA and Canada.

-- 
mhphillips at gmail dot com

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#180489

FromTheo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
Date2025-02-26 11:26 +0000
Message-ID<ZFe*t677z@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>
In reply to#180488
Michael Phillips <me@odtaa.com.invalid> wrote:
> On 26 Feb 2025 at 09:59:24 GMT, "Theo"
> <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> 
> > AIUI hearing aid functionality is not approved for use in the UK.  There
> > were noises a couple of wweks ago from the government that they would
> > expedite the process but no date has been announced.
> 
> According to Apple the Hearing Test feature and the Hearing Aid feature
> is available in UK and Ireland. It's only the Hearing Protection feature
> that is restricted to USA and Canada.

Ah, it seems Apple enabled it 2 days ago:
https://www.apple.com/uk/newsroom/2025/02/hearing-aid-feature-available-today-with-airpods-pro-2/

Theo

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#180551

FromAdrian Caspersz <email@here.invalid>
Date2025-03-03 19:27 +0000
Message-ID<m2me5hF59drU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#180489
On 26/02/2025 11:26, Theo wrote:
> Michael Phillips <me@odtaa.com.invalid> wrote:
>> On 26 Feb 2025 at 09:59:24 GMT, "Theo"
>> <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> AIUI hearing aid functionality is not approved for use in the UK.  There
>>> were noises a couple of wweks ago from the government that they would
>>> expedite the process but no date has been announced.
>>
>> According to Apple the Hearing Test feature and the Hearing Aid feature
>> is available in UK and Ireland. It's only the Hearing Protection feature
>> that is restricted to USA and Canada.
> 
> Ah, it seems Apple enabled it 2 days ago:
> https://www.apple.com/uk/newsroom/2025/02/hearing-aid-feature-available-today-with-airpods-pro-2/
> 

Manufacturers of hearing aids must have been hugely against this move, 
some their products are often overpriced for some types of hearing loss.

If someone wanted to create something cheaper, maybe open-sourced, there 
were approval issues, citing potential harm ...


So now it looks like Apple users can self diagnose and fix their hearing 
problems and skip the visit to the Audiologist, who might otherwise be 
blaming overuse of the Apple device for making the user deaf in the 
first place....

-- 
Adrian C

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#180552

FromTheo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
Date2025-03-03 20:15 +0000
Message-ID<ZFe*7ny8z@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>
In reply to#180551
Adrian Caspersz <email@here.invalid> wrote:
> On 26/02/2025 11:26, Theo wrote:
> > Michael Phillips <me@odtaa.com.invalid> wrote:
> >> On 26 Feb 2025 at 09:59:24 GMT, "Theo"
> >> <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >>> AIUI hearing aid functionality is not approved for use in the UK.  There
> >>> were noises a couple of wweks ago from the government that they would
> >>> expedite the process but no date has been announced.
> >>
> >> According to Apple the Hearing Test feature and the Hearing Aid feature
> >> is available in UK and Ireland. It's only the Hearing Protection feature
> >> that is restricted to USA and Canada.
> > 
> > Ah, it seems Apple enabled it 2 days ago:
> > https://www.apple.com/uk/newsroom/2025/02/hearing-aid-feature-available-today-with-airpods-pro-2/
> > 
> 
> Manufacturers of hearing aids must have been hugely against this move, 
> some their products are often overpriced for some types of hearing loss.

In the US, hearing aids used to be only available on prescription - and that
meant traditional US usurious healthcare costs.  People would pay $5000 for
a basic hearing aid.  Now there are OTC devices like this.

> So now it looks like Apple users can self diagnose and fix their hearing 
> problems and skip the visit to the Audiologist, who might otherwise be 
> blaming overuse of the Apple device for making the user deaf in the 
> first place....

If you have serious hearing loss I think you still need an audiologist and a
proper hearing aid, but the OTC devices like Airpods cover mild hearing
degradation.  They also don't look like a traditional hearing aid, they
look just like the same Airpods people use for music or calling.

Theo

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#180555

FromJaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org>
Date2025-03-04 17:07 +0000
Message-ID<m2oqbaFgcujU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#180489
On 26 Feb 2025 at 11:26:07 GMT, "Theo"
<theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

> Michael Phillips <me@odtaa.com.invalid> wrote:
>> On 26 Feb 2025 at 09:59:24 GMT, "Theo"
>> <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>> 
>>> AIUI hearing aid functionality is not approved for use in the UK.  There
>>> were noises a couple of wweks ago from the government that they would
>>> expedite the process but no date has been announced.
>> 
>> According to Apple the Hearing Test feature and the Hearing Aid feature
>> is available in UK and Ireland. It's only the Hearing Protection feature
>> that is restricted to USA and Canada.
> 
> Ah, it seems Apple enabled it 2 days ago:
> https://www.apple.com/uk/newsroom/2025/02/hearing-aid-feature-available-today-with-airpods-pro-2/
> 
> Theo

I'll be interested in the self-test results. I have a peculiar issue
since about 18 months ago where the Airpods "transparency" no longer
really works in my right ear - and I've tried three different right
earpods which test fine for other people.

Doctor check said "your eardrum is clearly slightly retracted, but
that's a pressure difference and should be okay once your eustachian
tube clears". Another year later it still hasn't changed. I've got an
actual audiology appt coming up for it.

The Apple hearing aid mode can read from an audiologist frequency
response graph to tune the sound modifications too.

    Cheers - Jaimie
-- 
Sent from my Sun 4/60

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#180557

FromJaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org>
Date2025-03-04 17:25 +0000
Message-ID<m2orc8FgilrU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#180555
On 4 Mar 2025 at 17:07:54 GMT, "Jaimie Vandenbergh"
<jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:

> On 26 Feb 2025 at 11:26:07 GMT, "Theo"
> <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> 
>> Michael Phillips <me@odtaa.com.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 26 Feb 2025 at 09:59:24 GMT, "Theo"
>>> <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> AIUI hearing aid functionality is not approved for use in the UK.  There
>>>> were noises a couple of wweks ago from the government that they would
>>>> expedite the process but no date has been announced.
>>> 
>>> According to Apple the Hearing Test feature and the Hearing Aid feature
>>> is available in UK and Ireland. It's only the Hearing Protection feature
>>> that is restricted to USA and Canada.
>> 
>> Ah, it seems Apple enabled it 2 days ago:
>> https://www.apple.com/uk/newsroom/2025/02/hearing-aid-feature-available-today-with-airpods-pro-2/
>> 
>> Theo
> 
> I'll be interested in the self-test results. I have a peculiar issue
> since about 18 months ago where the Airpods "transparency" no longer
> really works in my right ear - and I've tried three different right
> earpods which test fine for other people.

Well, that came back with "no significant issues", 1db loss left ear,
5db loss right ear. Categorisation is that 0-24db loss is "little to no
loss".

So I shall definitely be interested in the audiologist report!

    Cheers - Jaimie
-- 
"It has been said that man is a rational animal. All my life I
have been searching for evidence which could support this"     -- Bertrand Russell

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#180559

Fromliz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham)
Date2025-03-04 17:50 +0000
Message-ID<1r8omrg.1j221buv4rc4gN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>
In reply to#180557
Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:

> On 4 Mar 2025 at 17:07:54 GMT, "Jaimie Vandenbergh"
> <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:
> 
> > On 26 Feb 2025 at 11:26:07 GMT, "Theo"
> > <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> > 
> >> Michael Phillips <me@odtaa.com.invalid> wrote:
> >>> On 26 Feb 2025 at 09:59:24 GMT, "Theo"
> >>> <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>> AIUI hearing aid functionality is not approved for use in the UK.  There
> >>>> were noises a couple of wweks ago from the government that they would
> >>>> expedite the process but no date has been announced.
> >>> 
> >>> According to Apple the Hearing Test feature and the Hearing Aid feature
> >>> is available in UK and Ireland. It's only the Hearing Protection feature
> >>> that is restricted to USA and Canada.
> >> 
> >> Ah, it seems Apple enabled it 2 days ago:
> >> https://www.apple.com/uk/newsroom/2025/02/hearing-aid-feature-available
> >> -today-with-airpods-pro-2/
> >> 
> >> Theo
> > 
> > I'll be interested in the self-test results. I have a peculiar issue
> > since about 18 months ago where the Airpods "transparency" no longer
> > really works in my right ear - and I've tried three different right
> > earpods which test fine for other people.
> 
> Well, that came back with "no significant issues", 1db loss left ear,
> 5db loss right ear. Categorisation is that 0-24db loss is "little to no
> loss".

Is this over the whole range or just at one frequecy?  dB is a relative
measurement (like percent) so have they said what they are comparing it
with?


-- 
~ Liz Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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#180565

Fromnospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder)
Date2025-03-04 22:28 +0100
Message-ID<67c77074$0$28495$426a74cc@news.free.fr>
In reply to#180559
Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:

> Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:
> 
> > On 4 Mar 2025 at 17:07:54 GMT, "Jaimie Vandenbergh"
> > <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:
> > 
> > > On 26 Feb 2025 at 11:26:07 GMT, "Theo"
> > > <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> > > 
> > >> Michael Phillips <me@odtaa.com.invalid> wrote:
> > >>> On 26 Feb 2025 at 09:59:24 GMT, "Theo"
> > >>> <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> > >>> 
> > >>>> AIUI hearing aid functionality is not approved for use in the UK.
> > >>>> There were noises a couple of wweks ago from the government that
> > >>>> they would expedite the process but no date has been announced.
> > >>> 
> > >>> According to Apple the Hearing Test feature and the Hearing Aid feature
> > >>> is available in UK and Ireland. It's only the Hearing Protection feature
> > >>> that is restricted to USA and Canada.
> > >> 
> > >> Ah, it seems Apple enabled it 2 days ago:
> > >> https://www.apple.com/uk/newsroom/2025/02/hearing-aid-feature-available
> > >> -today-with-airpods-pro-2/
> > >> 
> > >> Theo
> > > 
> > > I'll be interested in the self-test results. I have a peculiar issue
> > > since about 18 months ago where the Airpods "transparency" no longer
> > > really works in my right ear - and I've tried three different right
> > > earpods which test fine for other people.
> > 
> > Well, that came back with "no significant issues", 1db loss left ear,
> > 5db loss right ear. Categorisation is that 0-24db loss is "little to no
> > loss".
> 
> Is this over the whole range or just at one frequecy?  dB is a relative
> measurement (like percent) so have they said what they are comparing it
> with?

There is an ISO standard for what a normal person
is supposed to be able to hear.
Loss (at a given frequency) is with respect to that.
So it is actually a gain, a measure of how much more power you need
for equal to standard hearing,

Jan

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#180566

FromJaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org>
Date2025-03-05 00:28 +0000
Message-ID<m2pk5sFk5ocU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#180559
On 4 Mar 2025 at 17:50:30 GMT, "Liz Tuddenham" <Liz Tuddenham> wrote:

> Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:
> 
>> On 4 Mar 2025 at 17:07:54 GMT, "Jaimie Vandenbergh"
>> <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 26 Feb 2025 at 11:26:07 GMT, "Theo"
>>> <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Michael Phillips <me@odtaa.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On 26 Feb 2025 at 09:59:24 GMT, "Theo"
>>>>> <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> AIUI hearing aid functionality is not approved for use in the UK.  There
>>>>>> were noises a couple of wweks ago from the government that they would
>>>>>> expedite the process but no date has been announced.
>>>>> 
>>>>> According to Apple the Hearing Test feature and the Hearing Aid feature
>>>>> is available in UK and Ireland. It's only the Hearing Protection feature
>>>>> that is restricted to USA and Canada.
>>>> 
>>>> Ah, it seems Apple enabled it 2 days ago:
>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/newsroom/2025/02/hearing-aid-feature-available
>>>> -today-with-airpods-pro-2/
>>>> 
>>>> Theo
>>> 
>>> I'll be interested in the self-test results. I have a peculiar issue
>>> since about 18 months ago where the Airpods "transparency" no longer
>>> really works in my right ear - and I've tried three different right
>>> earpods which test fine for other people.
>> 
>> Well, that came back with "no significant issues", 1db loss left ear,
>> 5db loss right ear. Categorisation is that 0-24db loss is "little to no
>> loss".
> 
> Is this over the whole range or just at one frequecy?  dB is a relative
> measurement (like percent) so have they said what they are comparing it
> with?

You get a little graph of your sample points with some explanations.
Mine:
https://imgur.com/a/ArXdXYX

I didn't screenshot it, but if you click the left or right average
buttons you get to see it highlight that only the 500Hz/1kHz/2kHz/4kHz
data points are considered when creating the average score for loss. The
other data points are used in an freq-dependent volume boosting setup if
it thinks that'd be useful.

I'm not sure what the baseline zero that the db are compared to is, no.

    Cheers - Jaimie
-- 
It's important to be comfortable in your own skin
because it's illegal to wear someone else's.

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#180487 — Re: Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid [OT]

Fromliz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham)
Date2025-02-26 10:44 +0000
SubjectRe: Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid [OT]
Message-ID<1r8cyp0.143r68exni268N%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>
In reply to#180482
Michael Phillips <me@odtaa.com.invalid> wrote:

> I recently purchased a new bike and was disappointed that the bell
> didn't work. Having sent a complaint to the manufacturer I subsequently
> discovered that everyone else could hear the ping of the bell, only I
> could hear nothing. This prompted me to take an online hearing frequency
> test. At my age I should be able to hear up to 8,000Hz but after 3,500Hz
> is silence.

That means that many older people, not just you, won't be able to hear
it.  Ask the suppliers to fit a proper bell before you are blamed for
running someone down.


-- 
~ Liz Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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#180490 — Re: Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid [OT]

FromMichael Phillips <me@odtaa.com.invalid>
Date2025-02-26 11:35 +0000
SubjectRe: Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid [OT]
Message-ID<KzJfhxBWWUcxsDiUrVhJjbLDerLDDaVO@news.usenet.farm>
In reply to#180487
On 26 Feb 2025 at 10:44:16 GMT, "Liz Tuddenham" <Liz Tuddenham> wrote:

> That means that many older people, not just you, won't be able to hear
> it.  Ask the suppliers to fit a proper bell before you are blamed for
> running someone down.

Not to worry. Any friends, older than me, that I have asked can hear it
clearly. And I have my voice. In any case I am a cautious and slow
arthritic cyclist.

-- 
mhphillips at gmail dot com

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#180491 — Re: Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid [OT]

Fromliz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham)
Date2025-02-26 12:08 +0000
SubjectRe: Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid [OT]
Message-ID<1r8d2ye.1r7gw699lvkxfN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>
In reply to#180490
Michael Phillips <me@odtaa.com.invalid> wrote:

> On 26 Feb 2025 at 10:44:16 GMT, "Liz Tuddenham" <Liz Tuddenham> wrote:
> 
> > That means that many older people, not just you, won't be able to hear
> > it.  Ask the suppliers to fit a proper bell before you are blamed for
> > running someone down.
> 
> Not to worry. Any friends, older than me, that I have asked can hear it
> clearly. And I have my voice. In any case I am a cautious and slow
> arthritic cyclist.

I've alwys wanted a bulb-horn that blows a 'raspberry' - it would be
"Audible Warning of Reproach".


-- 
~ Liz Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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#180523 — Re: Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid [OT]

FromJohn Hill <watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk>
Date2025-02-27 08:35 +0000
SubjectRe: Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid [OT]
Message-ID<vpp84e$31nuk$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#180491
On 26 Feb 2025 at 12:08:16 GMT, "Liz Tuddenham" <Liz Tuddenham> wrote:

> Michael Phillips <me@odtaa.com.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> On 26 Feb 2025 at 10:44:16 GMT, "Liz Tuddenham" <Liz Tuddenham> wrote:
>> 
>>> That means that many older people, not just you, won't be able to hear
>>> it.  Ask the suppliers to fit a proper bell before you are blamed for
>>> running someone down.
>> 
>> Not to worry. Any friends, older than me, that I have asked can hear it
>> clearly. And I have my voice. In any case I am a cautious and slow
>> arthritic cyclist.
> 
> I've alwys wanted a bulb-horn that blows a 'raspberry' - it would be
> "Audible Warning of Reproach".

Something like https://tinyurl.com/45f9jcpc?

  Bulb horn £7.99

Old John.

Classic computing: Computers do what you tell them to do,
not what you want them to do.
Modern computing: Computers do what they want to do,
no matter what you tell them to do.

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#180524 — Re: Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid [OT]

FromDavid <David.is@home.today>
Date2025-02-27 09:19 +0000
SubjectRe: Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid [OT]
Message-ID<m2ap10Fcok0U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#180523
On 27/02/2025 08:35, John Hill wrote:
> Modern computing: Computers do what they want to do,
> no matter what you tell them to do.

See:- 
https://eclecticlight.co/2025/02/27/how-your-mac-can-update-macos-when-you-dont-want-it-to/

It's the first time I've seen Howard caught out! ;-)

-- 
Have a great day!
David

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#180529 — Re: Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid [OT]

FromDavid <David.is@home.today>
Date2025-02-28 10:46 +0000
SubjectRe: Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid [OT]
Message-ID<m2difoFpk0lU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#180490
On 26/02/2025 11:35, Michael Phillips wrote:
> On 26 Feb 2025 at 10:44:16 GMT, "Liz Tuddenham" <Liz Tuddenham> wrote:
> 
>> That means that many older people, not just you, won't be able to hear
>> it.  Ask the suppliers to fit a proper bell before you are blamed for
>> running someone down.
> 
> Not to worry. Any friends, older than me, that I have asked can hear it
> clearly. And I have my voice. In any case I am a cautious and slow
> arthritic cyclist.


There will no doubt be other old people, folk who are NOT your friends, 
who, like you, will NOT be able to hear your bell! ;-)

Take care.

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#180631

FromMichael Phillips <me@odtaa.com.invalid>
Date2025-03-10 11:14 +0000
Message-ID<KjMzYElDeTctxQvQGetOhSCGkpbOTocx@news.usenet.farm>
In reply to#180482
On 26 Feb 2025 at 09:39:14 GMT, I <me@odtaa.com.invalid> wrote:

> I recently purchased a new bike and was disappointed that the bell
> didn't work. Having sent a complaint to the manufacturer I subsequently
> discovered that everyone else could hear the ping of the bell, only I
> could hear nothing.

*Snip*

> I know that some in this group are, like me, superannuated so I wonder
> if any are using Apple's Airpod Pro 2 as a hearing aid and with what
> success.

The iPods were delivered this morning. I have followed instructions,
fitted the correct plugs and taken the hearing test which tells me that
my left ear has mild and my right ear moderate hearing loss. I still
can't hear the bell!

I didn't mention this before but I also have tinnitus. It is possible, I
suppose, that the frequency of the tinnitus matches the frequency of the
bell. I remember that I had a kitchen timer that I couldn't hear for
that very reason.

Disappointed.

-- 
mhphillips at gmail dot com

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#180641

FromJaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org>
Date2025-03-11 01:37 +0000
Message-ID<m39ifbF1vecU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#180631
On 10 Mar 2025 at 11:14:24 GMT, "Michael Phillips"
<me@odtaa.com.invalid> wrote:

> The iPods were delivered this morning. I have followed instructions,
> fitted the correct plugs and taken the hearing test which tells me that
> my left ear has mild and my right ear moderate hearing loss. I still
> can't hear the bell!

Did you enable the hearing correction?

My frequency response test came out as too mild to require correction,
so I don't know how clear that bit of UI is; forgive me if there's just
a big button labelled "enable compensation" or something.

    Cheers - Jaimie
-- 
'It's one of those irregular verbs, isn't it? `I protect the
lives and property of my citizens; you keep the public
safe from an unreasonable and trouble-generating
minority; he maintains a totalitarian regime of
thought control.'                -- Bernard, Yes Minister

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#180655

Fromnospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder)
Date2025-03-13 10:19 +0100
Message-ID<67d2a313$0$11450$426a34cc@news.free.fr>
In reply to#180631
Michael Phillips <me@odtaa.com.invalid> wrote:

> On 26 Feb 2025 at 09:39:14 GMT, I <me@odtaa.com.invalid> wrote:
> 
> > I recently purchased a new bike and was disappointed that the bell
> > didn't work. Having sent a complaint to the manufacturer I subsequently
> > discovered that everyone else could hear the ping of the bell, only I
> > could hear nothing.
> 
> *Snip*
> 
> > I know that some in this group are, like me, superannuated so I wonder
> > if any are using Apple's Airpod Pro 2 as a hearing aid and with what
> > success.
> 
> The iPods were delivered this morning. I have followed instructions,
> fitted the correct plugs and taken the hearing test which tells me that
> my left ear has mild and my right ear moderate hearing loss. I still
> can't hear the bell!

You do have transparency on, I assume?

> I didn't mention this before but I also have tinnitus. It is possible, I
> suppose, that the frequency of the tinnitus matches the frequency of the
> bell. I remember that I had a kitchen timer that I couldn't hear for
> that very reason.

Surprising. The Airpods should be capable of amplifying
over the tintinitus level,

> Disappointed.

Strange. Hearing loss may be uneven,
with some frequencies being more strongly depressed than others.
But that bell should be producing more than a single frequency,

Jan
 

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