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  Your iCloud storage is full D.M. Procida <daniele-at-vurt-dot-org@invalid.com> - 2025-03-08 16:21 +0000
    Re: Your iCloud storage is full John Hill <watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk> - 2025-03-09 08:25 +0000
    Re: Your iCloud storage is full Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-09 10:18 +0000
    Re: Your iCloud storage is full D.M. Procida <daniele-at-vurt-dot-org@invalid.com> - 2025-03-09 15:35 +0000
      Re: Your iCloud storage is full Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-03-09 16:43 +0100
        Re: Your iCloud storage is full richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2025-03-09 15:47 +0000
          Re: Your iCloud storage is full Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-03-09 16:59 +0100
          Re: Your iCloud storage is full Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> - 2025-03-09 20:57 +0000
            Re: Your iCloud storage is full TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> - 2025-03-09 21:38 +0000
      Re: Your iCloud storage is full TimH <thnews@poboxmolar.com.invalid> - 2025-03-09 16:04 +0000
        Re: Your iCloud storage is full Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> - 2025-03-09 20:55 +0000
      Re: Your iCloud storage is full John Hill <watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk> - 2025-03-10 07:30 +0000
        Re: Your iCloud storage is full Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-03-10 12:03 +0100
        Re: Your iCloud storage is full D.M. Procida <daniele-at-vurt-dot-org@invalid.com> - 2025-03-10 12:15 +0000
          Re: Your iCloud storage is full Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-03-10 16:52 +0000
            Re: Your iCloud storage is full Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> - 2025-03-10 21:50 +0000
            Re: Your iCloud storage is full Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-13 23:01 +0000

#180611 — Your iCloud storage is full

... says Photos, and it has not synced the latest items to iCloud.

The Manage Storage link it offers does nothing.

Settings > iCloud shows 93.9 of 200 GB Used.

In the iCloud+ Features section, Manage Plan shows 200 GB. Until I click on
it, and then it says that's it's on the free 5 GB plan.

https://www.icloud.com/storage/ says: "50 GB!"

WTF Apple.

Daniele

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#180614

On 8 Mar 2025 at 16:21:54 GMT, "D.M. Procida"
<daniele-at-vurt-dot-org@invalid.com> wrote:

> ... says Photos, and it has not synced the latest items to iCloud.
> 
> The Manage Storage link it offers does nothing.
> 
> Settings > iCloud shows 93.9 of 200 GB Used.
> 
> In the iCloud+ Features section, Manage Plan shows 200 GB. Until I click on
> it, and then it says that's it's on the free 5 GB plan.
> 
> https://www.icloud.com/storage/ says: "50 GB!"
> 
> WTF Apple.

And do you in fact pay for 200GB, 50GB or what? Your Apple account will be
proof.

Old John.
-- 
An infinitely complex system can fail in an infinite number of ways.

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#180615

D.M. Procida <daniele-at-vurt-dot-org@invalid.com> wrote:
> ... says Photos, and it has not synced the latest items to iCloud.
> 
> The Manage Storage link it offers does nothing.
> 
> Settings > iCloud shows 93.9 of 200 GB Used.
> 
> In the iCloud+ Features section, Manage Plan shows 200 GB. Until I click on
> it, and then it says that's it's on the free 5 GB plan.
> 
> https://www.icloud.com/storage/ says: "50 GB!"
> 
> WTF Apple.

Do you have family members sharing it? The total you see includes their
usage, not just yours. 

The Manage Plan bit is odd. Does someone else manage your family's account?

I recently configured this for my family and I had to enable sharing for
each member separately. 

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#180616

On 8 Mar 2025 at 17:21:54 CET, "D.M. Procida"
<daniele-at-vurt-dot-org@invalid.com> wrote:

> ... says Photos, and it has not synced the latest items to iCloud.
> 
> The Manage Storage link it offers does nothing.
> 
> Settings > iCloud shows 93.9 of 200 GB Used.
> 
> In the iCloud+ Features section, Manage Plan shows 200 GB. Until I click on
> it, and then it says that's it's on the free 5 GB plan.
> 
> https://www.icloud.com/storage/ says: "50 GB!"
> 
> WTF Apple.

Eventuallly I got in touch with Apple support, and after a little wander
through the iCloud settings toggling things on and off, order was restored.
But really, settings within settings within settings, it's a wonder even its
designers understand it any longer.

Daniele

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#180617

On 09.03.25 16:35, D.M. Procida wrote:
> On 8 Mar 2025 at 17:21:54 CET, "D.M. Procida"
> <daniele-at-vurt-dot-org@invalid.com> wrote:
> 
>> ... says Photos, and it has not synced the latest items to iCloud.
>>
>> The Manage Storage link it offers does nothing.
>>
>> Settings > iCloud shows 93.9 of 200 GB Used.
>>
>> In the iCloud+ Features section, Manage Plan shows 200 GB. Until I click on
>> it, and then it says that's it's on the free 5 GB plan.
>>
>> https://www.icloud.com/storage/ says: "50 GB!"
>>
>> WTF Apple.
> 
> Eventuallly I got in touch with Apple support, and after a little wander
> through the iCloud settings toggling things on and off, order was restored.
> But really, settings within settings within settings, it's a wonder even its
> designers understand it any longer.

No! The logic is always the same. Apple has very stringent design rules.
That is the biggest and most pleasant advantage of iOS/macOS over 
Android and chaotic crap like Windows.


-- 
"Gutta cavat lapidem." (Ovid)

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#180618

In article <vqkcve$18j8q$3@solani.org>, Jörg Lorenz  <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:

>> Eventuallly I got in touch with Apple support, and after a little wander
>> through the iCloud settings toggling things on and off, order was restored.
>> But really, settings within settings within settings, it's a wonder even its
>> designers understand it any longer.

>No! The logic is always the same. Apple has very stringent design rules.
>That is the biggest and most pleasant advantage of iOS/macOS over 
>Android and chaotic crap like Windows.

Asserting that it's pleasant to someone who has just had an unpleasant
experience is willful blindness.

-- Richard

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#180619

On 09.03.25 16:47, Richard Tobin wrote:
> In article <vqkcve$18j8q$3@solani.org>, Jörg Lorenz  <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
> 
>>> Eventuallly I got in touch with Apple support, and after a little wander
>>> through the iCloud settings toggling things on and off, order was restored.
>>> But really, settings within settings within settings, it's a wonder even its
>>> designers understand it any longer.
> 
>> No! The logic is always the same. Apple has very stringent design rules.
>> That is the biggest and most pleasant advantage of iOS/macOS over 
>> Android and chaotic crap like Windows.
> 
> Asserting that it's pleasant to someone who has just had an unpleasant
> experience is willful blindness.

The failure of one person does not put a proven system for hundreds of
millions of users into question.

And in the first place: I did not say it was a pleasant experience for
the OP. Stick to the truth.

-- 
"Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)

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#180622

On 9 Mar 2025 at 15:47:31 GMT, "Richard Tobin" <Richard Tobin> wrote:

> In article <vqkcve$18j8q$3@solani.org>, Jörg Lorenz  <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
> 
>>> Eventuallly I got in touch with Apple support, and after a little wander
>>> through the iCloud settings toggling things on and off, order was restored.
>>> But really, settings within settings within settings, it's a wonder even its
>>> designers understand it any longer.
> 
>> No! The logic is always the same. Apple has very stringent design rules.
>> That is the biggest and most pleasant advantage of iOS/macOS over
>> Android and chaotic crap like Windows.
> 
> Asserting that it's pleasant to someone who has just had an unpleasant
> experience is willful blindness.
> 
> -- Richard

It's also not currently true. Some of the most useful settings in
Settings are under the (i) links, for example. This is madness, they
should only ever be 'tooltips' style info not access to another deeper
panel of settings.

The Apple Style Guide as it was in the mid 2000s is long, long dead and
they just make shit up now.

And every time I go look at Windows, I'm still horrified that somehow
that is *even worse*

    Cheers - Jaimie
-- 
All the things I really like to do are either illegal, immoral, or fattening.
                                                       - Alexander Woollcott

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#180624

On 9 Mar 2025 at 20:57:57 GMT, "Jaimie Vandenbergh"
<jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:

> The Apple Style Guide as it was in the mid 2000s is long, long dead and
> they just make shit up now.
> 
> And every time I go look at Windows, I'm still horrified that somehow
> that is *even worse*

Precisely my opinion too. About macOS and Windows.

-- 
Tim

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#180620

On 9 Mar 2025 at 3:35:47 pm GMT, "D.M. Procida"
<daniele-at-vurt-dot-org@invalid.com> wrote:

> But really, settings within settings within settings, it's a wonder even its
> designers understand it any longer.

<minor rant>
Earlier today, someone asked me how to put the sound settings into the menu
bar - they'd disappeared in an update. Look in Sound settings, I said
confidently. Oh no, too obvious. It's in Control Centre settings. Not helpful
if you've never used Control Centre.

Since they reorganised Settings, I'm finding, more often than not, that I have
to use search to get to a setting. Sometimes it does feel as though the
current UI designers have never used a Mac, or even acquainted themselves with
the principle of least surprise.
</minor rant>
-- 
TimH
pull tooth to reply by email

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#180621

On 9 Mar 2025 at 16:04:48 GMT, "TimH" <thnews@poboxmolar.com.invalid>
wrote:

> On 9 Mar 2025 at 3:35:47 pm GMT, "D.M. Procida"
> <daniele-at-vurt-dot-org@invalid.com> wrote:
> 
>> But really, settings within settings within settings, it's a wonder even its
>> designers understand it any longer.
> 
> <minor rant>
> Earlier today, someone asked me how to put the sound settings into the menu
> bar - they'd disappeared in an update. Look in Sound settings, I said
> confidently. Oh no, too obvious. It's in Control Centre settings. Not helpful
> if you've never used Control Centre.
> 
> Since they reorganised Settings, I'm finding, more often than not, that I have
> to use search to get to a setting. Sometimes it does feel as though the
> current UI designers have never used a Mac, or even acquainted themselves with
> the principle of least surprise.
> </minor rant>

Don't ever be tempted to get into macOS betas - the searchbar data for
Settings is one of the last things to be indexed and put in place, so
you can never find fucking anything.

Honestly, whoever does the design+management of Settings needs to be put
in charge of making tea or something instead of software. Utter
shambles.

    Cheers - Jaimie
-- 
[Chlorine trifluoride] is also hypergolic with such things as
cloth, wood, and test engineers, not to mention asbestos,
sand, and water -- with which it reacts explosively.
- "Ignition! An Informal History of Liquid Rocket Propellants", J D Clarke

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#180627

On 9 Mar 2025 at 15:35:47 GMT, "D.M. Procida"
<daniele-at-vurt-dot-org@invalid.com> wrote:

> On 8 Mar 2025 at 17:21:54 CET, "D.M. Procida"
> <daniele-at-vurt-dot-org@invalid.com> wrote:
> 
>> ... says Photos, and it has not synced the latest items to iCloud.
>> 
>> The Manage Storage link it offers does nothing.
>> 
>> Settings > iCloud shows 93.9 of 200 GB Used.
>> 
>> In the iCloud+ Features section, Manage Plan shows 200 GB. Until I click on
>> it, and then it says that's it's on the free 5 GB plan.
>> 
>> https://www.icloud.com/storage/ says: "50 GB!"
>> 
>> WTF Apple.
> 
> Eventuallly I got in touch with Apple support, and after a little wander
> through the iCloud settings toggling things on and off, order was restored.
> But really, settings within settings within settings, it's a wonder even its
> designers understand it any longer.

Whatever makes you think they do?

Old John.

-- 
God made the integers. All else is the work of man.

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#180629

On 10.03.25 08:30, John Hill wrote:
> On 9 Mar 2025 at 15:35:47 GMT, "D.M. Procida"
> <daniele-at-vurt-dot-org@invalid.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 8 Mar 2025 at 17:21:54 CET, "D.M. Procida"
>> <daniele-at-vurt-dot-org@invalid.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ... says Photos, and it has not synced the latest items to iCloud.
>>>
>>> The Manage Storage link it offers does nothing.
>>>
>>> Settings > iCloud shows 93.9 of 200 GB Used.
>>>
>>> In the iCloud+ Features section, Manage Plan shows 200 GB. Until I click on
>>> it, and then it says that's it's on the free 5 GB plan.
>>>
>>> https://www.icloud.com/storage/ says: "50 GB!"
>>>
>>> WTF Apple.
>>
>> Eventuallly I got in touch with Apple support, and after a little wander
>> through the iCloud settings toggling things on and off, order was restored.
>> But really, settings within settings within settings, it's a wonder even its
>> designers understand it any longer.
> 
> Whatever makes you think they do?

What makes you think the opposite?

-- 
"Gutta cavat lapidem." (Ovid)

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#180632

On 10 Mar 2025 at 08:30:03 CET, "John Hill" <watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>> Eventuallly I got in touch with Apple support, and after a little wander
>> through the iCloud settings toggling things on and off, order was restored.
>> But really, settings within settings within settings, it's a wonder even its
>> designers understand it any longer.
> 
> Whatever makes you think they do?

Good point.

I think they must be randomly adding features, controls and behaviours for the
users to toggle and adjust, also randomly. It worked for evolution, over
millions of years, perhaps it's the new paradigm in software development?

Daniele

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#180636

D.M. Procida wrote:

[snip]

> 
> I think they must be randomly adding features, controls and behaviours for the
> users to toggle and adjust, also randomly. It worked for evolution, over
> millions of years, perhaps it's the new paradigm in software development?

But evolution weeds out features that do not improve survival, so 
evolved organisms are usually pretty efficient!


-- 
Graham J

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#180638

On 10/03/2025 16:52, Graham J wrote:
> D.M. Procida wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
>>
>> I think they must be randomly adding features, controls and behaviours 
>> for the
>> users to toggle and adjust, also randomly. It worked for evolution, over
>> millions of years, perhaps it's the new paradigm in software development?
> 
> But evolution weeds out features that do not improve survival, so 
> evolved organisms are usually pretty efficient!
> 
> 

But it does take millions of generations…
-- 
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

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#180665

Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:
> D.M. Procida wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
>> 
>> I think they must be randomly adding features, controls and behaviours for the
>> users to toggle and adjust, also randomly. It worked for evolution, over
>> millions of years, perhaps it's the new paradigm in software development?
> 
> But evolution weeds out features that do not improve survival, so 
> evolved organisms are usually pretty efficient!

Depends on who evolves first. Us or macOS. 

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