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  Firefox vertical tabs TimH <thnews@poboxmolar.com.invalid> - 2025-03-05 12:10 +0000
    Re: Firefox vertical tabs Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> - 2025-03-05 16:08 +0000
      Re: Firefox vertical tabs Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> - 2025-03-05 16:30 +0000
      Re: Firefox vertical tabs TimH <thnews@poboxmolar.com.invalid> - 2025-03-05 17:02 +0000
        Re: Firefox vertical tabs Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> - 2025-03-06 19:12 +0000
          Re: Firefox vertical tabs TimH <thnews@poboxmolar.com.invalid> - 2025-03-06 20:23 +0000
            Re: Firefox vertical tabs Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> - 2025-03-06 23:34 +0000
              Re: Firefox vertical tabs Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> - 2025-03-06 23:35 +0000
                Re: Firefox vertical tabs Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> - 2025-03-06 23:41 +0000
                  Re: Firefox vertical tabs Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> - 2025-03-06 23:57 +0000
              Re: Firefox vertical tabs TimH <thnews@poboxmolar.com.invalid> - 2025-03-07 10:26 +0000
                Re: Firefox vertical tabs Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> - 2025-03-09 21:08 +0000
                Re: Firefox vertical tabs Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-03-10 09:29 +0000

#180572 — Firefox vertical tabs

I'm just trying this out - as someone said, Tree Style Tab is great, but the
fewer extensions the better - but I can't see a way to reduce the space
between tabs, which seems excessive. Am I missing something?
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TimH
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#180581

On 5 Mar 2025 at 12:10:11 GMT, "TimH" <thnews@poboxmolar.com.invalid>
wrote:

> I'm just trying this out - as someone said, Tree Style Tab is great, but the
> fewer extensions the better - but I can't see a way to reduce the space
> between tabs, which seems excessive. Am I missing something?

Space between tabs is zero for me. https://imgur.com/a/M3iCvyY

Not sure which options might affect that tbh.

    Cheers - Jaimie
-- 
If you can't measure it, it's not science.

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#180584

On 5 Mar 2025 at 16:08:33 GMT, "Jaimie Vandenbergh"
<jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:

> On 5 Mar 2025 at 12:10:11 GMT, "TimH" <thnews@poboxmolar.com.invalid>
> wrote:
> 
>> I'm just trying this out - as someone said, Tree Style Tab is great, but the
>> fewer extensions the better - but I can't see a way to reduce the space
>> between tabs, which seems excessive. Am I missing something?
> 
> Space between tabs is zero for me. https://imgur.com/a/M3iCvyY
> 
> Not sure which options might affect that tbh.
> 
>     Cheers - Jaimie

I do have custom User Style Sheet entries in the Advanced section which
looks somewhat relevant, particularly the height: element?

/* Add private browsing indicator per tab */
.tab.private-browsing .label:before {
  content: "🕶";
}

/* tab decor */
.tab {
  height: 26px;
  font-size: small;
//  font-style: italic;
//  font-weight: bold;
  opacity: 0.8;
  border: solid 1px #00000033; // transparent black lines
}

/* Remove new tab button */
.newtab-button-box {
  display: none;
}

/* Only show tab close X on hover */
.tab:not(:hover) .closebox {
  display: none;
}
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#180587

On 5 Mar 2025 at 4:08:33 pm GMT, "Jaimie Vandenbergh"
<jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:

> On 5 Mar 2025 at 12:10:11 GMT, "TimH" <thnews@poboxmolar.com.invalid>
> wrote:
> 
>> I'm just trying this out - as someone said, Tree Style Tab is great, but the
>> fewer extensions the better - but I can't see a way to reduce the space
>> between tabs, which seems excessive. Am I missing something?
> 
> Space between tabs is zero for me. https://imgur.com/a/M3iCvyY
> 
> Not sure which options might affect that tbh.

Sorry - I put that really badly! Should have said: I normally use Tree Style
Tab but am trying out the new built-in Firefox vertical tabs. That's what has
the excessive space! (I thought for a moment you'd uncovered a whole screenful
of options i'd missed :)

-- 
TimH
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#180600

On 5 Mar 2025 at 17:02:41 GMT, "TimH" <thnews@poboxmolar.com.invalid>
wrote:

> On 5 Mar 2025 at 4:08:33 pm GMT, "Jaimie Vandenbergh"
> <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:
> 
>> On 5 Mar 2025 at 12:10:11 GMT, "TimH" <thnews@poboxmolar.com.invalid>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm just trying this out - as someone said, Tree Style Tab is great, but the
>>> fewer extensions the better - but I can't see a way to reduce the space
>>> between tabs, which seems excessive. Am I missing something?
>> 
>> Space between tabs is zero for me. https://imgur.com/a/M3iCvyY
>> 
>> Not sure which options might affect that tbh.
> 
> Sorry - I put that really badly! Should have said: I normally use Tree Style
> Tab but am trying out the new built-in Firefox vertical tabs. That's what has
> the excessive space! (I thought for a moment you'd uncovered a whole screenful
> of options i'd missed :)

Ah! Yeah, they're terrible. In basically the same way as the Edge and
Safari ones are terrible.

    Cheers - Jaimie
-- 
Hell hath no fury like someone who is enraged that
someone else is getting away with something they're
scared to try.  - lilairen, LJ

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#180601

On 6 Mar 2025 at 7:12:42 pm GMT, "Jaimie Vandenbergh"
<jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:

> On 5 Mar 2025 at 17:02:41 GMT, "TimH" <thnews@poboxmolar.com.invalid>
> wrote:
> 
>> On 5 Mar 2025 at 4:08:33 pm GMT, "Jaimie Vandenbergh"
>> <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 5 Mar 2025 at 12:10:11 GMT, "TimH" <thnews@poboxmolar.com.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I'm just trying this out - as someone said, Tree Style Tab is great, but the
>>>> fewer extensions the better - but I can't see a way to reduce the space
>>>> between tabs, which seems excessive. Am I missing something?
>>> 
>>> Space between tabs is zero for me. https://imgur.com/a/M3iCvyY
>>> 
>>> Not sure which options might affect that tbh.
>> 
>> Sorry - I put that really badly! Should have said: I normally use Tree Style
>> Tab but am trying out the new built-in Firefox vertical tabs. That's what has
>> the excessive space! (I thought for a moment you'd uncovered a whole screenful
>> of options i'd missed :)
> 
> Ah! Yeah, they're terrible. In basically the same way as the Edge and
> Safari ones are terrible.

I thought at least there might be a way to enable but hide the built-in
vertical tabs, and carry on using TST, so as to get rid of the horizontal tab
bar, but even that seems impossible. Grr.

-- 
TimH
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#180602

On 6 Mar 2025 at 20:23:00 GMT, "TimH" <thnews@poboxmolar.com.invalid>
wrote:

> On 6 Mar 2025 at 7:12:42 pm GMT, "Jaimie Vandenbergh"
> <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:
> 
>> On 5 Mar 2025 at 17:02:41 GMT, "TimH" <thnews@poboxmolar.com.invalid>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 5 Mar 2025 at 4:08:33 pm GMT, "Jaimie Vandenbergh"
>>> <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 5 Mar 2025 at 12:10:11 GMT, "TimH" <thnews@poboxmolar.com.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I'm just trying this out - as someone said, Tree Style Tab is great, but the
>>>>> fewer extensions the better - but I can't see a way to reduce the space
>>>>> between tabs, which seems excessive. Am I missing something?
>>>> 
>>>> Space between tabs is zero for me. https://imgur.com/a/M3iCvyY
>>>> 
>>>> Not sure which options might affect that tbh.
>>> 
>>> Sorry - I put that really badly! Should have said: I normally use Tree Style
>>> Tab but am trying out the new built-in Firefox vertical tabs. That's what has
>>> the excessive space! (I thought for a moment you'd uncovered a whole screenful
>>> of options i'd missed :)
>> 
>> Ah! Yeah, they're terrible. In basically the same way as the Edge and
>> Safari ones are terrible.
> 
> I thought at least there might be a way to enable but hide the built-in
> vertical tabs, and carry on using TST, so as to get rid of the horizontal tab
> bar, but even that seems impossible. Grr.

https://superuser.com/questions/1424478/can-i-hide-native-tabs-at-the-top-of-firefox

is what I followed. Works perfectly. On the Mac the profiles directory
is in your user Library, Application Support, Firefox, Profiles. If you
have more than one folder there, check up a level for profiles.ini and
work out which one is Default.

    Cheers - Jaimie
-- 
I hope I live long enough
to vindicate my pessimism 
       -- http://www.boasas.com/?c=1108

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#180603

On 6 Mar 2025 at 23:34:21 GMT, "Jaimie Vandenbergh"
<jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:

> On 6 Mar 2025 at 20:23:00 GMT, "TimH" <thnews@poboxmolar.com.invalid>
> wrote:
> 
>> On 6 Mar 2025 at 7:12:42 pm GMT, "Jaimie Vandenbergh"
>> <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 5 Mar 2025 at 17:02:41 GMT, "TimH" <thnews@poboxmolar.com.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 5 Mar 2025 at 4:08:33 pm GMT, "Jaimie Vandenbergh"
>>>> <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 5 Mar 2025 at 12:10:11 GMT, "TimH" <thnews@poboxmolar.com.invalid>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm just trying this out - as someone said, Tree Style Tab is great, but the
>>>>>> fewer extensions the better - but I can't see a way to reduce the space
>>>>>> between tabs, which seems excessive. Am I missing something?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Space between tabs is zero for me. https://imgur.com/a/M3iCvyY
>>>>> 
>>>>> Not sure which options might affect that tbh.
>>>> 
>>>> Sorry - I put that really badly! Should have said: I normally use Tree Style
>>>> Tab but am trying out the new built-in Firefox vertical tabs. That's what has
>>>> the excessive space! (I thought for a moment you'd uncovered a whole screenful
>>>> of options i'd missed :)
>>> 
>>> Ah! Yeah, they're terrible. In basically the same way as the Edge and
>>> Safari ones are terrible.
>> 
>> I thought at least there might be a way to enable but hide the built-in
>> vertical tabs, and carry on using TST, so as to get rid of the horizontal tab
>> bar, but even that seems impossible. Grr.
> 
> https://superuser.com/questions/1424478/can-i-hide-native-tabs-at-the-top-of-firefox
> 
> is what I followed. Works perfectly. On the Mac the profiles directory
> is in your user Library, Application Support, Firefox, Profiles. If you
> have more than one folder there, check up a level for profiles.ini and
> work out which one is Default.
> 
>     Cheers - Jaimie

My userChrome.css:

}


-- 
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that do their job in the most sullen, passive-aggressive
way possible, and they totally get away with it!"
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#180604

On 6 Mar 2025 at 23:35:48 GMT, "Jaimie Vandenbergh"
<jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:

> On 6 Mar 2025 at 23:34:21 GMT, "Jaimie Vandenbergh"
> <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:
> 
>> On 6 Mar 2025 at 20:23:00 GMT, "TimH" <thnews@poboxmolar.com.invalid>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 6 Mar 2025 at 7:12:42 pm GMT, "Jaimie Vandenbergh"
>>> <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 5 Mar 2025 at 17:02:41 GMT, "TimH" <thnews@poboxmolar.com.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 5 Mar 2025 at 4:08:33 pm GMT, "Jaimie Vandenbergh"
>>>>> <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 5 Mar 2025 at 12:10:11 GMT, "TimH" <thnews@poboxmolar.com.invalid>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm just trying this out - as someone said, Tree Style Tab is great, but the
>>>>>>> fewer extensions the better - but I can't see a way to reduce the space
>>>>>>> between tabs, which seems excessive. Am I missing something?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Space between tabs is zero for me. https://imgur.com/a/M3iCvyY
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Not sure which options might affect that tbh.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sorry - I put that really badly! Should have said: I normally use Tree Style
>>>>> Tab but am trying out the new built-in Firefox vertical tabs. That's what has
>>>>> the excessive space! (I thought for a moment you'd uncovered a whole screenful
>>>>> of options i'd missed :)
>>>> 
>>>> Ah! Yeah, they're terrible. In basically the same way as the Edge and
>>>> Safari ones are terrible.
>>> 
>>> I thought at least there might be a way to enable but hide the built-in
>>> vertical tabs, and carry on using TST, so as to get rid of the horizontal tab
>>> bar, but even that seems impossible. Grr.
>> 
>> https://superuser.com/questions/1424478/can-i-hide-native-tabs-at-the-top-of-firefox
>> 
>> is what I followed. Works perfectly. On the Mac the profiles directory
>> is in your user Library, Application Support, Firefox, Profiles. If you
>> have more than one folder there, check up a level for profiles.ini and
>> work out which one is Default.
>> 
>>     Cheers - Jaimie
> 
> My userChrome.css:
> 
> }

.... apparently got eaten by Usenapp. Interesting! Let me try that again
quoted:

<p class="level1">/* Hide the top tab bar */
</p><p
class="level1">#main-window[tabsintitlebar="true"]:not([extradragspace=
"true"]) #TabsToolbar {
</p><p class="level1"> opacity: 0;
</p><p
class="level1"> pointer-events: none;
</p><p class="level1">}
</p><p
class="level1">#main-window:not([tabsintitlebar="true"]) #TabsToolbar
{
</p><p class="level1">   visibility: collapse !important;
</p><p
class="level1">}
</p><p class="level1">
</p><p class="level1">/* Hide
the sidebar top label */
</p><p class="level1">#sidebar-header {
</p><p
class="level1"> display: none;
</p>> }
-- 
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makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away
your whole leg.
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#180605

On 6 Mar 2025 at 23:41:04 GMT, "Jaimie Vandenbergh"
<jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:

> On 6 Mar 2025 at 23:35:48 GMT, "Jaimie Vandenbergh"
> <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:
> 
>> On 6 Mar 2025 at 23:34:21 GMT, "Jaimie Vandenbergh"
>> <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 6 Mar 2025 at 20:23:00 GMT, "TimH" <thnews@poboxmolar.com.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 6 Mar 2025 at 7:12:42 pm GMT, "Jaimie Vandenbergh"
>>>> <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 5 Mar 2025 at 17:02:41 GMT, "TimH" <thnews@poboxmolar.com.invalid>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 5 Mar 2025 at 4:08:33 pm GMT, "Jaimie Vandenbergh"
>>>>>> <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 5 Mar 2025 at 12:10:11 GMT, "TimH" <thnews@poboxmolar.com.invalid>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I'm just trying this out - as someone said, Tree Style Tab is great, but the
>>>>>>>> fewer extensions the better - but I can't see a way to reduce the space
>>>>>>>> between tabs, which seems excessive. Am I missing something?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Space between tabs is zero for me. https://imgur.com/a/M3iCvyY
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Not sure which options might affect that tbh.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sorry - I put that really badly! Should have said: I normally use Tree Style
>>>>>> Tab but am trying out the new built-in Firefox vertical tabs. That's what has
>>>>>> the excessive space! (I thought for a moment you'd uncovered a whole screenful
>>>>>> of options i'd missed :)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ah! Yeah, they're terrible. In basically the same way as the Edge and
>>>>> Safari ones are terrible.
>>>> 
>>>> I thought at least there might be a way to enable but hide the built-in
>>>> vertical tabs, and carry on using TST, so as to get rid of the horizontal tab
>>>> bar, but even that seems impossible. Grr.
>>> 
>>> https://superuser.com/questions/1424478/can-i-hide-native-tabs-at-the-top-of-firefox
>>> 
>>> is what I followed. Works perfectly. On the Mac the profiles directory
>>> is in your user Library, Application Support, Firefox, Profiles. If you
>>> have more than one folder there, check up a level for profiles.ini and
>>> work out which one is Default.
>>> 
>>>     Cheers - Jaimie
>> 
>> My userChrome.css:
>> 
>> }
> 
> .... apparently got eaten by Usenapp. Interesting! Let me try that again
> quoted:
> 
> <p class="level1">/* Hide the top tab bar */
> 
<pclass="level1">#main-window[tabsintitlebar="true"]:not([extradragspac
e=</p>
> "true"]) #TabsToolbar {
> 
>  opacity: 0;
> 
<pclass="level1"> pointer-events: none;</p>
> 
> }
> 
<pclass="level1">#main-window:not([tabsintitlebar="true"])
#TabsToolbar</p>
> {
> 
>    visibility: collapse !important;
> 
<pclass="level1">}</p>
> 
> 
> 
> /* Hide
> the sidebar top label */
> 
> #sidebar-header {
> 
<pclass="level1"> display: none;</p>
> 
> }</p>

Aaaand I've raised a bug with Andre about both of these things :D
https://www.usenapp.com/forum/d/506-editor-issue-with-pasted-css-text

That bug includes the raw css, you can grab it from there if you like.

    Cheers - Jaimie
-- 
"Who died and made _you_ Zod?"    
       -- Sea Wasp, rasfw

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#180607

On 6 Mar 2025 at 11:34:21 pm GMT, "Jaimie Vandenbergh"
<jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:

> On 6 Mar 2025 at 20:23:00 GMT, "TimH" <thnews@poboxmolar.com.invalid>
> wrote:
>> 
>> I thought at least there might be a way to enable but hide the built-in
>> vertical tabs, and carry on using TST, so as to get rid of the horizontal tab
>> bar, but even that seems impossible. Grr.
> 
> https://superuser.com/questions/1424478/can-i-hide-native-tabs-at-the-top-of-firefox
> 
> is what I followed. Works perfectly. On the Mac the profiles directory
> is in your user Library, Application Support, Firefox, Profiles. If you
> have more than one folder there, check up a level for profiles.ini and
> work out which one is Default.

Yeehaa! Thanks. I really should have been able to find that myself before now!
Farewell to the pesky horizontal bar. I'll have a look at your other .css mods
next. And thanks also for flagging the Usenapp bug.
-- 
TimH
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#180623

On 7 Mar 2025 at 10:26:45 GMT, "TimH" <thnews@poboxmolar.com.invalid>
wrote:

> On 6 Mar 2025 at 11:34:21 pm GMT, "Jaimie Vandenbergh"
> <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:
> 
>> On 6 Mar 2025 at 20:23:00 GMT, "TimH" <thnews@poboxmolar.com.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I thought at least there might be a way to enable but hide the built-in
>>> vertical tabs, and carry on using TST, so as to get rid of the horizontal tab
>>> bar, but even that seems impossible. Grr.
>> 
>> https://superuser.com/questions/1424478/can-i-hide-native-tabs-at-the-top-of-firefox
>> 
>> is what I followed. Works perfectly. On the Mac the profiles directory
>> is in your user Library, Application Support, Firefox, Profiles. If you
>> have more than one folder there, check up a level for profiles.ini and
>> work out which one is Default.
> 
> Yeehaa! Thanks. I really should have been able to find that myself before now!
> Farewell to the pesky horizontal bar. I'll have a look at your other .css mods
> next. And thanks also for flagging the Usenapp bug.

Yay! It does feel like more effort than it should be, getting rid of
that top tab bar.

    Cheers - Jaimie
-- 
Tomorrow (noun) - A mystical land where 99 per cent
of all human productivity, motivation and achievement
is stored.
                           -- http://thedoghousediaries.com/3474

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#180628

TimH <thnews@poboxmolar.com.invalid> wrote:
> Yeehaa! Thanks. I really should have been able to find that myself before now!
> Farewell to the pesky horizontal bar. I'll have a look at your other .css mods
> next. And thanks also for flagging the Usenapp bug.

Going in the opposite direction, I use:
https://github.com/Aris-t2/CustomCSSforFx

to get 6 rows of tabs, which I find much more usable than stock FF or
vertical tabs. Each to their own...

Theo

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