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| First post | 2025-02-26 09:39 +0000 |
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Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid Michael Phillips <me@odtaa.com.invalid> - 2025-02-26 09:39 +0000
Re: Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-02-26 09:59 +0000
Re: Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid Michael Phillips <me@odtaa.com.invalid> - 2025-02-26 10:47 +0000
Re: Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-02-26 11:26 +0000
Re: Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid Adrian Caspersz <email@here.invalid> - 2025-03-03 19:27 +0000
Re: Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-03-03 20:15 +0000
Re: Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> - 2025-03-04 17:07 +0000
Re: Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> - 2025-03-04 17:25 +0000
Re: Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2025-03-04 17:50 +0000
Re: Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2025-03-04 22:28 +0100
Re: Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> - 2025-03-05 00:28 +0000
Re: Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid [OT] liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2025-02-26 10:44 +0000
Re: Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid [OT] Michael Phillips <me@odtaa.com.invalid> - 2025-02-26 11:35 +0000
Re: Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid [OT] liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2025-02-26 12:08 +0000
Re: Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid [OT] John Hill <watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk> - 2025-02-27 08:35 +0000
Re: Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid [OT] David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-27 09:19 +0000
Re: Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid [OT] David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-28 10:46 +0000
Re: Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid Michael Phillips <me@odtaa.com.invalid> - 2025-03-10 11:14 +0000
Re: Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> - 2025-03-11 01:37 +0000
Re: Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2025-03-13 10:19 +0100
Re: Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid Michael Phillips <me@odtaa.com.invalid> - 2025-03-13 10:04 +0000
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| From | Michael Phillips <me@odtaa.com.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-02-26 09:39 +0000 |
| Subject | Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid |
| Message-ID | <yowACCqaRoXSwIdHdgGBXvinJLtaYIdr@news.usenet.farm> |
I recently purchased a new bike and was disappointed that the bell didn't work. Having sent a complaint to the manufacturer I subsequently discovered that everyone else could hear the ping of the bell, only I could hear nothing. This prompted me to take an online hearing frequency test. At my age I should be able to hear up to 8,000Hz but after 3,500Hz is silence. I must admit, too, that I have to resort to subtitles on the TV more frequently. Actors nowadays do tend to mutter and mumble. I know that some in this group are, like me, superannuated so I wonder if any are using Apple's Airpod Pro 2 as a hearing aid and with what success. -- mhphillips at gmail dot com
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| From | Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2025-02-26 09:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <WFe*-L77z@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk> |
| In reply to | #180482 |
Michael Phillips <me@odtaa.com.invalid> wrote: > I recently purchased a new bike and was disappointed that the bell > didn't work. Having sent a complaint to the manufacturer I subsequently > discovered that everyone else could hear the ping of the bell, only I > could hear nothing. This prompted me to take an online hearing frequency > test. At my age I should be able to hear up to 8,000Hz but after 3,500Hz > is silence. > I must admit, too, that I have to resort to subtitles on the TV more > frequently. Actors nowadays do tend to mutter and mumble. > I know that some in this group are, like me, superannuated so I wonder > if any are using Apple's Airpod Pro 2 as a hearing aid and with what > success. AIUI hearing aid functionality is not approved for use in the UK. There were noises a couple of wweks ago from the government that they would expedite the process but no date has been announced. Theo
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| From | Michael Phillips <me@odtaa.com.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-02-26 10:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <DtQQKzEofJhpOghZIbzBpqVNpAycYOEZ@news.usenet.farm> |
| In reply to | #180484 |
On 26 Feb 2025 at 09:59:24 GMT, "Theo" <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote: > AIUI hearing aid functionality is not approved for use in the UK. There > were noises a couple of wweks ago from the government that they would > expedite the process but no date has been announced. According to Apple the Hearing Test feature and the Hearing Aid feature is available in UK and Ireland. It's only the Hearing Protection feature that is restricted to USA and Canada. -- mhphillips at gmail dot com
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| From | Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2025-02-26 11:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ZFe*t677z@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk> |
| In reply to | #180488 |
Michael Phillips <me@odtaa.com.invalid> wrote: > On 26 Feb 2025 at 09:59:24 GMT, "Theo" > <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote: > > > AIUI hearing aid functionality is not approved for use in the UK. There > > were noises a couple of wweks ago from the government that they would > > expedite the process but no date has been announced. > > According to Apple the Hearing Test feature and the Hearing Aid feature > is available in UK and Ireland. It's only the Hearing Protection feature > that is restricted to USA and Canada. Ah, it seems Apple enabled it 2 days ago: https://www.apple.com/uk/newsroom/2025/02/hearing-aid-feature-available-today-with-airpods-pro-2/ Theo
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| From | Adrian Caspersz <email@here.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-03-03 19:27 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m2me5hF59drU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #180489 |
On 26/02/2025 11:26, Theo wrote: > Michael Phillips <me@odtaa.com.invalid> wrote: >> On 26 Feb 2025 at 09:59:24 GMT, "Theo" >> <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote: >> >>> AIUI hearing aid functionality is not approved for use in the UK. There >>> were noises a couple of wweks ago from the government that they would >>> expedite the process but no date has been announced. >> >> According to Apple the Hearing Test feature and the Hearing Aid feature >> is available in UK and Ireland. It's only the Hearing Protection feature >> that is restricted to USA and Canada. > > Ah, it seems Apple enabled it 2 days ago: > https://www.apple.com/uk/newsroom/2025/02/hearing-aid-feature-available-today-with-airpods-pro-2/ > Manufacturers of hearing aids must have been hugely against this move, some their products are often overpriced for some types of hearing loss. If someone wanted to create something cheaper, maybe open-sourced, there were approval issues, citing potential harm ... So now it looks like Apple users can self diagnose and fix their hearing problems and skip the visit to the Audiologist, who might otherwise be blaming overuse of the Apple device for making the user deaf in the first place.... -- Adrian C
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| From | Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2025-03-03 20:15 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ZFe*7ny8z@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk> |
| In reply to | #180551 |
Adrian Caspersz <email@here.invalid> wrote: > On 26/02/2025 11:26, Theo wrote: > > Michael Phillips <me@odtaa.com.invalid> wrote: > >> On 26 Feb 2025 at 09:59:24 GMT, "Theo" > >> <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote: > >> > >>> AIUI hearing aid functionality is not approved for use in the UK. There > >>> were noises a couple of wweks ago from the government that they would > >>> expedite the process but no date has been announced. > >> > >> According to Apple the Hearing Test feature and the Hearing Aid feature > >> is available in UK and Ireland. It's only the Hearing Protection feature > >> that is restricted to USA and Canada. > > > > Ah, it seems Apple enabled it 2 days ago: > > https://www.apple.com/uk/newsroom/2025/02/hearing-aid-feature-available-today-with-airpods-pro-2/ > > > > Manufacturers of hearing aids must have been hugely against this move, > some their products are often overpriced for some types of hearing loss. In the US, hearing aids used to be only available on prescription - and that meant traditional US usurious healthcare costs. People would pay $5000 for a basic hearing aid. Now there are OTC devices like this. > So now it looks like Apple users can self diagnose and fix their hearing > problems and skip the visit to the Audiologist, who might otherwise be > blaming overuse of the Apple device for making the user deaf in the > first place.... If you have serious hearing loss I think you still need an audiologist and a proper hearing aid, but the OTC devices like Airpods cover mild hearing degradation. They also don't look like a traditional hearing aid, they look just like the same Airpods people use for music or calling. Theo
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| From | Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> |
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| Date | 2025-03-04 17:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m2oqbaFgcujU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #180489 |
On 26 Feb 2025 at 11:26:07 GMT, "Theo"
<theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> Michael Phillips <me@odtaa.com.invalid> wrote:
>> On 26 Feb 2025 at 09:59:24 GMT, "Theo"
>> <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> AIUI hearing aid functionality is not approved for use in the UK. There
>>> were noises a couple of wweks ago from the government that they would
>>> expedite the process but no date has been announced.
>>
>> According to Apple the Hearing Test feature and the Hearing Aid feature
>> is available in UK and Ireland. It's only the Hearing Protection feature
>> that is restricted to USA and Canada.
>
> Ah, it seems Apple enabled it 2 days ago:
> https://www.apple.com/uk/newsroom/2025/02/hearing-aid-feature-available-today-with-airpods-pro-2/
>
> Theo
I'll be interested in the self-test results. I have a peculiar issue
since about 18 months ago where the Airpods "transparency" no longer
really works in my right ear - and I've tried three different right
earpods which test fine for other people.
Doctor check said "your eardrum is clearly slightly retracted, but
that's a pressure difference and should be okay once your eustachian
tube clears". Another year later it still hasn't changed. I've got an
actual audiology appt coming up for it.
The Apple hearing aid mode can read from an audiologist frequency
response graph to tune the sound modifications too.
Cheers - Jaimie
--
Sent from my Sun 4/60
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| From | Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> |
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| Date | 2025-03-04 17:25 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m2orc8FgilrU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #180555 |
On 4 Mar 2025 at 17:07:54 GMT, "Jaimie Vandenbergh"
<jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:
> On 26 Feb 2025 at 11:26:07 GMT, "Theo"
> <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> Michael Phillips <me@odtaa.com.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 26 Feb 2025 at 09:59:24 GMT, "Theo"
>>> <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> AIUI hearing aid functionality is not approved for use in the UK. There
>>>> were noises a couple of wweks ago from the government that they would
>>>> expedite the process but no date has been announced.
>>>
>>> According to Apple the Hearing Test feature and the Hearing Aid feature
>>> is available in UK and Ireland. It's only the Hearing Protection feature
>>> that is restricted to USA and Canada.
>>
>> Ah, it seems Apple enabled it 2 days ago:
>> https://www.apple.com/uk/newsroom/2025/02/hearing-aid-feature-available-today-with-airpods-pro-2/
>>
>> Theo
>
> I'll be interested in the self-test results. I have a peculiar issue
> since about 18 months ago where the Airpods "transparency" no longer
> really works in my right ear - and I've tried three different right
> earpods which test fine for other people.
Well, that came back with "no significant issues", 1db loss left ear,
5db loss right ear. Categorisation is that 0-24db loss is "little to no
loss".
So I shall definitely be interested in the audiologist report!
Cheers - Jaimie
--
"It has been said that man is a rational animal. All my life I
have been searching for evidence which could support this" -- Bertrand Russell
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| From | liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) |
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| Date | 2025-03-04 17:50 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <1r8omrg.1j221buv4rc4gN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> |
| In reply to | #180557 |
Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote: > On 4 Mar 2025 at 17:07:54 GMT, "Jaimie Vandenbergh" > <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote: > > > On 26 Feb 2025 at 11:26:07 GMT, "Theo" > > <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote: > > > >> Michael Phillips <me@odtaa.com.invalid> wrote: > >>> On 26 Feb 2025 at 09:59:24 GMT, "Theo" > >>> <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote: > >>> > >>>> AIUI hearing aid functionality is not approved for use in the UK. There > >>>> were noises a couple of wweks ago from the government that they would > >>>> expedite the process but no date has been announced. > >>> > >>> According to Apple the Hearing Test feature and the Hearing Aid feature > >>> is available in UK and Ireland. It's only the Hearing Protection feature > >>> that is restricted to USA and Canada. > >> > >> Ah, it seems Apple enabled it 2 days ago: > >> https://www.apple.com/uk/newsroom/2025/02/hearing-aid-feature-available > >> -today-with-airpods-pro-2/ > >> > >> Theo > > > > I'll be interested in the self-test results. I have a peculiar issue > > since about 18 months ago where the Airpods "transparency" no longer > > really works in my right ear - and I've tried three different right > > earpods which test fine for other people. > > Well, that came back with "no significant issues", 1db loss left ear, > 5db loss right ear. Categorisation is that 0-24db loss is "little to no > loss". Is this over the whole range or just at one frequecy? dB is a relative measurement (like percent) so have they said what they are comparing it with? -- ~ Liz Tuddenham ~ (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply) www.poppyrecords.co.uk
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| From | nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) |
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| Date | 2025-03-04 22:28 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <67c77074$0$28495$426a74cc@news.free.fr> |
| In reply to | #180559 |
Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote: > Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote: > > > On 4 Mar 2025 at 17:07:54 GMT, "Jaimie Vandenbergh" > > <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote: > > > > > On 26 Feb 2025 at 11:26:07 GMT, "Theo" > > > <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote: > > > > > >> Michael Phillips <me@odtaa.com.invalid> wrote: > > >>> On 26 Feb 2025 at 09:59:24 GMT, "Theo" > > >>> <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> AIUI hearing aid functionality is not approved for use in the UK. > > >>>> There were noises a couple of wweks ago from the government that > > >>>> they would expedite the process but no date has been announced. > > >>> > > >>> According to Apple the Hearing Test feature and the Hearing Aid feature > > >>> is available in UK and Ireland. It's only the Hearing Protection feature > > >>> that is restricted to USA and Canada. > > >> > > >> Ah, it seems Apple enabled it 2 days ago: > > >> https://www.apple.com/uk/newsroom/2025/02/hearing-aid-feature-available > > >> -today-with-airpods-pro-2/ > > >> > > >> Theo > > > > > > I'll be interested in the self-test results. I have a peculiar issue > > > since about 18 months ago where the Airpods "transparency" no longer > > > really works in my right ear - and I've tried three different right > > > earpods which test fine for other people. > > > > Well, that came back with "no significant issues", 1db loss left ear, > > 5db loss right ear. Categorisation is that 0-24db loss is "little to no > > loss". > > Is this over the whole range or just at one frequecy? dB is a relative > measurement (like percent) so have they said what they are comparing it > with? There is an ISO standard for what a normal person is supposed to be able to hear. Loss (at a given frequency) is with respect to that. So it is actually a gain, a measure of how much more power you need for equal to standard hearing, Jan
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| From | Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> |
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| Date | 2025-03-05 00:28 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m2pk5sFk5ocU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #180559 |
On 4 Mar 2025 at 17:50:30 GMT, "Liz Tuddenham" <Liz Tuddenham> wrote:
> Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:
>
>> On 4 Mar 2025 at 17:07:54 GMT, "Jaimie Vandenbergh"
>> <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 26 Feb 2025 at 11:26:07 GMT, "Theo"
>>> <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Michael Phillips <me@odtaa.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On 26 Feb 2025 at 09:59:24 GMT, "Theo"
>>>>> <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> AIUI hearing aid functionality is not approved for use in the UK. There
>>>>>> were noises a couple of wweks ago from the government that they would
>>>>>> expedite the process but no date has been announced.
>>>>>
>>>>> According to Apple the Hearing Test feature and the Hearing Aid feature
>>>>> is available in UK and Ireland. It's only the Hearing Protection feature
>>>>> that is restricted to USA and Canada.
>>>>
>>>> Ah, it seems Apple enabled it 2 days ago:
>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/newsroom/2025/02/hearing-aid-feature-available
>>>> -today-with-airpods-pro-2/
>>>>
>>>> Theo
>>>
>>> I'll be interested in the self-test results. I have a peculiar issue
>>> since about 18 months ago where the Airpods "transparency" no longer
>>> really works in my right ear - and I've tried three different right
>>> earpods which test fine for other people.
>>
>> Well, that came back with "no significant issues", 1db loss left ear,
>> 5db loss right ear. Categorisation is that 0-24db loss is "little to no
>> loss".
>
> Is this over the whole range or just at one frequecy? dB is a relative
> measurement (like percent) so have they said what they are comparing it
> with?
You get a little graph of your sample points with some explanations.
Mine:
https://imgur.com/a/ArXdXYX
I didn't screenshot it, but if you click the left or right average
buttons you get to see it highlight that only the 500Hz/1kHz/2kHz/4kHz
data points are considered when creating the average score for loss. The
other data points are used in an freq-dependent volume boosting setup if
it thinks that'd be useful.
I'm not sure what the baseline zero that the db are compared to is, no.
Cheers - Jaimie
--
It's important to be comfortable in your own skin
because it's illegal to wear someone else's.
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| From | liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) |
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| Date | 2025-02-26 10:44 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid [OT] |
| Message-ID | <1r8cyp0.143r68exni268N%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> |
| In reply to | #180482 |
Michael Phillips <me@odtaa.com.invalid> wrote: > I recently purchased a new bike and was disappointed that the bell > didn't work. Having sent a complaint to the manufacturer I subsequently > discovered that everyone else could hear the ping of the bell, only I > could hear nothing. This prompted me to take an online hearing frequency > test. At my age I should be able to hear up to 8,000Hz but after 3,500Hz > is silence. That means that many older people, not just you, won't be able to hear it. Ask the suppliers to fit a proper bell before you are blamed for running someone down. -- ~ Liz Tuddenham ~ (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply) www.poppyrecords.co.uk
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| From | Michael Phillips <me@odtaa.com.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-02-26 11:35 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid [OT] |
| Message-ID | <KzJfhxBWWUcxsDiUrVhJjbLDerLDDaVO@news.usenet.farm> |
| In reply to | #180487 |
On 26 Feb 2025 at 10:44:16 GMT, "Liz Tuddenham" <Liz Tuddenham> wrote: > That means that many older people, not just you, won't be able to hear > it. Ask the suppliers to fit a proper bell before you are blamed for > running someone down. Not to worry. Any friends, older than me, that I have asked can hear it clearly. And I have my voice. In any case I am a cautious and slow arthritic cyclist. -- mhphillips at gmail dot com
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| From | liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) |
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| Date | 2025-02-26 12:08 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid [OT] |
| Message-ID | <1r8d2ye.1r7gw699lvkxfN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> |
| In reply to | #180490 |
Michael Phillips <me@odtaa.com.invalid> wrote: > On 26 Feb 2025 at 10:44:16 GMT, "Liz Tuddenham" <Liz Tuddenham> wrote: > > > That means that many older people, not just you, won't be able to hear > > it. Ask the suppliers to fit a proper bell before you are blamed for > > running someone down. > > Not to worry. Any friends, older than me, that I have asked can hear it > clearly. And I have my voice. In any case I am a cautious and slow > arthritic cyclist. I've alwys wanted a bulb-horn that blows a 'raspberry' - it would be "Audible Warning of Reproach". -- ~ Liz Tuddenham ~ (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply) www.poppyrecords.co.uk
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| From | John Hill <watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2025-02-27 08:35 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid [OT] |
| Message-ID | <vpp84e$31nuk$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #180491 |
On 26 Feb 2025 at 12:08:16 GMT, "Liz Tuddenham" <Liz Tuddenham> wrote: > Michael Phillips <me@odtaa.com.invalid> wrote: > >> On 26 Feb 2025 at 10:44:16 GMT, "Liz Tuddenham" <Liz Tuddenham> wrote: >> >>> That means that many older people, not just you, won't be able to hear >>> it. Ask the suppliers to fit a proper bell before you are blamed for >>> running someone down. >> >> Not to worry. Any friends, older than me, that I have asked can hear it >> clearly. And I have my voice. In any case I am a cautious and slow >> arthritic cyclist. > > I've alwys wanted a bulb-horn that blows a 'raspberry' - it would be > "Audible Warning of Reproach". Something like https://tinyurl.com/45f9jcpc? Bulb horn £7.99 Old John. Classic computing: Computers do what you tell them to do, not what you want them to do. Modern computing: Computers do what they want to do, no matter what you tell them to do.
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| From | David <David.is@home.today> |
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| Date | 2025-02-27 09:19 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid [OT] |
| Message-ID | <m2ap10Fcok0U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #180523 |
On 27/02/2025 08:35, John Hill wrote: > Modern computing: Computers do what they want to do, > no matter what you tell them to do. See:- https://eclecticlight.co/2025/02/27/how-your-mac-can-update-macos-when-you-dont-want-it-to/ It's the first time I've seen Howard caught out! ;-) -- Have a great day! David
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| From | David <David.is@home.today> |
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| Date | 2025-02-28 10:46 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Airpod Pro 2 as hearing aid [OT] |
| Message-ID | <m2difoFpk0lU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #180490 |
On 26/02/2025 11:35, Michael Phillips wrote: > On 26 Feb 2025 at 10:44:16 GMT, "Liz Tuddenham" <Liz Tuddenham> wrote: > >> That means that many older people, not just you, won't be able to hear >> it. Ask the suppliers to fit a proper bell before you are blamed for >> running someone down. > > Not to worry. Any friends, older than me, that I have asked can hear it > clearly. And I have my voice. In any case I am a cautious and slow > arthritic cyclist. There will no doubt be other old people, folk who are NOT your friends, who, like you, will NOT be able to hear your bell! ;-) Take care.
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| From | Michael Phillips <me@odtaa.com.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-03-10 11:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <KjMzYElDeTctxQvQGetOhSCGkpbOTocx@news.usenet.farm> |
| In reply to | #180482 |
On 26 Feb 2025 at 09:39:14 GMT, I <me@odtaa.com.invalid> wrote: > I recently purchased a new bike and was disappointed that the bell > didn't work. Having sent a complaint to the manufacturer I subsequently > discovered that everyone else could hear the ping of the bell, only I > could hear nothing. *Snip* > I know that some in this group are, like me, superannuated so I wonder > if any are using Apple's Airpod Pro 2 as a hearing aid and with what > success. The iPods were delivered this morning. I have followed instructions, fitted the correct plugs and taken the hearing test which tells me that my left ear has mild and my right ear moderate hearing loss. I still can't hear the bell! I didn't mention this before but I also have tinnitus. It is possible, I suppose, that the frequency of the tinnitus matches the frequency of the bell. I remember that I had a kitchen timer that I couldn't hear for that very reason. Disappointed. -- mhphillips at gmail dot com
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| From | Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> |
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| Date | 2025-03-11 01:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m39ifbF1vecU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #180631 |
On 10 Mar 2025 at 11:14:24 GMT, "Michael Phillips"
<me@odtaa.com.invalid> wrote:
> The iPods were delivered this morning. I have followed instructions,
> fitted the correct plugs and taken the hearing test which tells me that
> my left ear has mild and my right ear moderate hearing loss. I still
> can't hear the bell!
Did you enable the hearing correction?
My frequency response test came out as too mild to require correction,
so I don't know how clear that bit of UI is; forgive me if there's just
a big button labelled "enable compensation" or something.
Cheers - Jaimie
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| From | nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) |
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| Date | 2025-03-13 10:19 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <67d2a313$0$11450$426a34cc@news.free.fr> |
| In reply to | #180631 |
Michael Phillips <me@odtaa.com.invalid> wrote: > On 26 Feb 2025 at 09:39:14 GMT, I <me@odtaa.com.invalid> wrote: > > > I recently purchased a new bike and was disappointed that the bell > > didn't work. Having sent a complaint to the manufacturer I subsequently > > discovered that everyone else could hear the ping of the bell, only I > > could hear nothing. > > *Snip* > > > I know that some in this group are, like me, superannuated so I wonder > > if any are using Apple's Airpod Pro 2 as a hearing aid and with what > > success. > > The iPods were delivered this morning. I have followed instructions, > fitted the correct plugs and taken the hearing test which tells me that > my left ear has mild and my right ear moderate hearing loss. I still > can't hear the bell! You do have transparency on, I assume? > I didn't mention this before but I also have tinnitus. It is possible, I > suppose, that the frequency of the tinnitus matches the frequency of the > bell. I remember that I had a kitchen timer that I couldn't hear for > that very reason. Surprising. The Airpods should be capable of amplifying over the tintinitus level, > Disappointed. Strange. Hearing loss may be uneven, with some frequencies being more strongly depressed than others. But that bell should be producing more than a single frequency, Jan
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