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So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 10:25 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-02-16 06:34 -0500
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 13:45 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 06:46 -0700
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-02-16 10:37 -0500
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 17:26 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-02-16 14:55 -0500
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 20:44 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 20:46 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 20:55 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 21:07 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 21:16 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 21:17 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 21:26 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 22:08 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 23:34 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 23:38 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 23:54 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 00:21 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-17 01:26 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 01:45 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-17 01:26 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 01:45 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-17 04:41 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 05:22 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-22 05:27 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 05:53 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 15:33 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 17:17 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 18:00 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 18:17 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 18:22 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 18:59 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 19:19 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 19:36 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 19:52 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 20:49 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 20:56 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 21:20 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 21:23 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 23:45 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 23:52 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 23:58 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 00:18 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 12:34 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 14:11 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 14:21 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 07:37 -0700
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 16:47 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 16:11 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 16:44 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 16:51 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2025-02-17 00:26 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-03-08 08:48 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-17 01:26 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 01:41 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-17 04:41 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 05:25 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 05:42 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-22 05:27 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 05:43 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-02-16 14:57 -0500
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 20:51 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 21:13 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 21:19 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 23:25 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 23:38 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Kelly Phillips <KFile@podcasts.org> - 2025-02-16 16:19 -0600
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 23:49 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Kelly Phillips <KFile@podcasts.org> - 2025-02-17 15:58 -0600
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-17 22:27 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-02-17 15:08 -0800
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? T i m <eternal@spaced.me.uk> - 2025-02-19 23:10 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David@home.today> - 2025-02-19 23:29 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-22 05:27 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 05:50 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David@home.today> - 2025-02-22 22:36 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 15:42 -0700
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 22:42 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David@home.today> - 2025-02-23 00:03 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-23 02:22 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-03-08 08:52 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Snit <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-03-08 14:16 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-03-08 22:33 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-03-08 23:19 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-22 05:27 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 05:39 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 23:30 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 17:11 -0700
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-18 00:18 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 17:25 -0700
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-18 00:58 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 18:51 -0700
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-18 01:55 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 19:01 -0700
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-18 02:41 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-22 05:27 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 05:38 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David@home.today> - 2025-02-22 22:42 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 23:08 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-22 05:27 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 05:46 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-17 01:26 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 01:43 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-02-17 15:07 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-22 05:27 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-17 01:26 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 01:45 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-17 04:41 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 05:21 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-22 05:27 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 05:54 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 08:45 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-02-26 10:28 +0100
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? T i m <eternal@spaced.me.uk> - 2025-03-04 10:11 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-02-26 04:52 -0500
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 12:46 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-02-26 08:04 -0500
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 13:57 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 14:01 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-02-26 09:47 -0500
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-02-26 09:49 -0500
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 15:24 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 15:05 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 16:08 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 16:42 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 16:51 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 16:56 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 17:11 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 17:30 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 19:36 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 19:57 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-02-26 08:35 +0100
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 08:36 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-02-26 11:41 +0100
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 14:02 +0000
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| From | David <BD@invalid.email> |
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| Date | 2025-02-16 10:25 +0000 |
| Subject | So ...... is this real, or imagined? |
| Message-ID | <m1dso8F1e0qU1@mid.individual.net> |
This is a screenshot:- https://i.ibb.co/HLgy7hNf/Screenshot-2025-02-11-at-10-07-47.png I've erased my hard drive, just in case! -- Kind regards, David
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| From | FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> |
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| Date | 2025-02-16 06:34 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vosigq$ikgc$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #180205 |
David wrote : > This is a screenshot:- > > https://i.ibb.co/HLgy7hNf/Screenshot-2025-02-11-at-10-07-47.png > > I've erased my hard drive, just in case! Sheesh!
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| From | David <BD@invalid.email> |
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| Date | 2025-02-16 13:45 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m1e8fkF34e3U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #180207 |
On 16/02/2025 11:34, FromTheRafters wrote: > David wrote : >> This is a screenshot:- >> >> https://i.ibb.co/HLgy7hNf/Screenshot-2025-02-11-at-10-07-47.png >> >> I've erased my hard drive, just in case! > > Sheesh! I have it down to a fine art now! Just for kicks, I did a scan with EtreCheck too - after I'd erased my drive. Would you like to see it? -- David
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| From | % <pursent100@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-02-16 06:46 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <viKdnbLAlcihcSz6nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #180208 |
David wrote: > On 16/02/2025 11:34, FromTheRafters wrote: >> David wrote : >>> This is a screenshot:- >>> >>> https://i.ibb.co/HLgy7hNf/Screenshot-2025-02-11-at-10-07-47.png >>> >>> I've erased my hard drive, just in case! >> >> Sheesh! > > I have it down to a fine art now! Just for kicks, I did a scan with > EtreCheck too - after I'd erased my drive. Would you like to see it? > oh i can't wait
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| From | FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> |
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| Date | 2025-02-16 10:37 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vot0nv$ld1q$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #180208 |
on 2/16/2025, David supposed : > On 16/02/2025 11:34, FromTheRafters wrote: >> David wrote : >>> This is a screenshot:- >>> >>> https://i.ibb.co/HLgy7hNf/Screenshot-2025-02-11-at-10-07-47.png >>> >>> I've erased my hard drive, just in case! >> >> Sheesh! > > I have it down to a fine art now! Just for kicks, I did a scan with EtreCheck > too - after I'd erased my drive. Would you like to see it? It's not ramnit again is it? :)
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| From | David <BD@invalid.email> |
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| Date | 2025-02-16 17:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m1eldlF4vrhU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #180211 |
On 16/02/2025 15:37, FromTheRafters wrote: > on 2/16/2025, David supposed : >> On 16/02/2025 11:34, FromTheRafters wrote: >>> David wrote : >>>> This is a screenshot:- >>>> >>>> https://i.ibb.co/HLgy7hNf/Screenshot-2025-02-11-at-10-07-47.png >>>> >>>> I've erased my hard drive, just in case! >>> >>> Sheesh! >> >> I have it down to a fine art now! Just for kicks, I did a scan with >> EtreCheck too - after I'd erased my drive. Would you like to see it? > > It's not ramnit again is it? :) No. You SAW what it was! Trojan OSX.RustAgent *Can trojans hide from antivirus*? //The Warezov mail worm used this technique and caused serious issues to users. Rootkit technologies – that are generally employed by Trojans – can intercept and substitute system functions to make the infected file invisible to the operating system and antivirus programs.// HTH -- David
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| From | FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> |
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| Date | 2025-02-16 14:55 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <votfrv$o33u$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #180213 |
on 2/16/2025, David supposed : > On 16/02/2025 15:37, FromTheRafters wrote: >> on 2/16/2025, David supposed : >>> On 16/02/2025 11:34, FromTheRafters wrote: >>>> David wrote : >>>>> This is a screenshot:- >>>>> >>>>> https://i.ibb.co/HLgy7hNf/Screenshot-2025-02-11-at-10-07-47.png >>>>> >>>>> I've erased my hard drive, just in case! >>>> >>>> Sheesh! >>> >>> I have it down to a fine art now! Just for kicks, I did a scan with >>> EtreCheck too - after I'd erased my drive. Would you like to see it? >> >> It's not ramnit again is it? :) > > No. You SAW what it was! Trojan OSX.RustAgent Can't find anything on that specific name. It looks like it was just a couple of attempts to get you to make a mistake, if it had executed there would have been more files to quarantine. > *Can trojans hide from antivirus*? Of course, AV's are always playing catch-up to malware purveyors. There has to be a bad thing, for there to be a thing to detect such bad thing. > //The Warezov mail worm used this technique and caused serious issues to > users. Rootkit technologies – that are generally employed by Trojans – > can intercept and substitute system functions to make the infected file > invisible to the operating system and antivirus programs.// What does this have to do with what was reported?
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| From | David <BD@invalid.email> |
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| Date | 2025-02-16 20:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m1f11lF6rs0U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #180223 |
On 16/02/2025 19:55, FromTheRafters wrote: > on 2/16/2025, David supposed : >> On 16/02/2025 15:37, FromTheRafters wrote: >>> on 2/16/2025, David supposed : >>>> On 16/02/2025 11:34, FromTheRafters wrote: >>>>> David wrote : >>>>>> This is a screenshot:- >>>>>> >>>>>> https://i.ibb.co/HLgy7hNf/Screenshot-2025-02-11-at-10-07-47.png >>>>>> >>>>>> I've erased my hard drive, just in case! >>>>> >>>>> Sheesh! >>>> >>>> I have it down to a fine art now! Just for kicks, I did a scan with >>>> EtreCheck too - after I'd erased my drive. Would you like to see it? >>> >>> It's not ramnit again is it? :) >> >> No. You SAW what it was! Trojan OSX.RustAgent > > Can't find anything on that specific name. It looks like it was just a > couple of attempts to get you to make a mistake, if it had executed > there would have been more files to quarantine. Phew! >> *Can trojans hide from antivirus*? > > Of course, AV's are always playing catch-up to malware purveyors. There > has to be a bad thing, for there to be a thing to detect such bad thing. I wanted my friends here to be absolutely sure about that! >> //The Warezov mail worm used this technique and caused serious issues to >> users. Rootkit technologies – that are generally employed by Trojans – >> can intercept and substitute system functions to make the infected file >> invisible to the operating system and antivirus programs.// > > What does this have to do with what was reported? It was simply an example of a Trojan that DID cause harm. Nothing more. -- David
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| From | Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-02-16 20:46 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <67b24e88$0$16$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #180225 |
On Feb 16, 2025 at 1:44:36 PM MST, "David" wrote <m1f11lF6rs0U1@mid.individual.net>: > On 16/02/2025 19:55, FromTheRafters wrote: >> on 2/16/2025, David supposed : >>> On 16/02/2025 15:37, FromTheRafters wrote: >>>> on 2/16/2025, David supposed : >>>>> On 16/02/2025 11:34, FromTheRafters wrote: >>>>>> David wrote : >>>>>>> This is a screenshot:- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://i.ibb.co/HLgy7hNf/Screenshot-2025-02-11-at-10-07-47.png >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've erased my hard drive, just in case! >>>>>> >>>>>> Sheesh! >>>>> >>>>> I have it down to a fine art now! Just for kicks, I did a scan with >>>>> EtreCheck too - after I'd erased my drive. Would you like to see it? >>>> >>>> It's not ramnit again is it? :) >>> >>> No. You SAW what it was! Trojan OSX.RustAgent >> >> Can't find anything on that specific name. It looks like it was just a >> couple of attempts to get you to make a mistake, if it had executed >> there would have been more files to quarantine. > > Phew! > >>> *Can trojans hide from antivirus*? >> >> Of course, AV's are always playing catch-up to malware purveyors. There >> has to be a bad thing, for there to be a thing to detect such bad thing. > > I wanted my friends here to be absolutely sure about that! While I do sometimes run AVG or some other free malware checker, mostly I just do not worry. Never had any issue (not since Classic Mac OS days). >>> //The Warezov mail worm used this technique and caused serious issues to >>> users. Rootkit technologies – that are generally employed by Trojans – >>> can intercept and substitute system functions to make the infected file >>> invisible to the operating system and antivirus programs.// >> >> What does this have to do with what was reported? > > It was simply an example of a Trojan that DID cause harm. Nothing more. -- Specialist in unnecessary details and overcomplicated solutions.
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| From | David <BD@invalid.email> |
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| Date | 2025-02-16 20:55 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m1f1lqF6rs1U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #180226 |
On 16/02/2025 20:46, Brock McNuggets wrote: > On Feb 16, 2025 at 1:44:36 PM MST, "David" wrote > <m1f11lF6rs0U1@mid.individual.net>: > >> On 16/02/2025 19:55, FromTheRafters wrote: >>> on 2/16/2025, David supposed : >>>> On 16/02/2025 15:37, FromTheRafters wrote: >>>>> on 2/16/2025, David supposed : >>>>>> On 16/02/2025 11:34, FromTheRafters wrote: >>>>>>> David wrote : >>>>>>>> This is a screenshot:- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://i.ibb.co/HLgy7hNf/Screenshot-2025-02-11-at-10-07-47.png >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I've erased my hard drive, just in case! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sheesh! >>>>>> >>>>>> I have it down to a fine art now! Just for kicks, I did a scan with >>>>>> EtreCheck too - after I'd erased my drive. Would you like to see it? >>>>> >>>>> It's not ramnit again is it? :) >>>> >>>> No. You SAW what it was! Trojan OSX.RustAgent >>> >>> Can't find anything on that specific name. It looks like it was just a >>> couple of attempts to get you to make a mistake, if it had executed >>> there would have been more files to quarantine. >> >> Phew! >> >>>> *Can trojans hide from antivirus*? >>> >>> Of course, AV's are always playing catch-up to malware purveyors. There >>> has to be a bad thing, for there to be a thing to detect such bad thing. >> >> I wanted my friends here to be absolutely sure about that! > > While I do sometimes run AVG or some other free malware checker, mostly I just > do not worry. Never had any issue (not since Classic Mac OS days). Understood. I'd like you to understand that I do not personally "worry" for myself. The more knowledge I have, though, the better I can advise my real-life family and friends. >>>> //The Warezov mail worm used this technique and caused serious issues to >>>> users. Rootkit technologies – that are generally employed by Trojans – >>>> can intercept and substitute system functions to make the infected file >>>> invisible to the operating system and antivirus programs.// >>> >>> What does this have to do with what was reported? >> >> It was simply an example of a Trojan that DID cause harm. Nothing more. -- David
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| From | Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-02-16 21:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <67b2539b$4$22$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #180229 |
On Feb 16, 2025 at 1:55:22 PM MST, "David" wrote <m1f1lqF6rs1U1@mid.individual.net>: > On 16/02/2025 20:46, Brock McNuggets wrote: >> On Feb 16, 2025 at 1:44:36 PM MST, "David" wrote >> <m1f11lF6rs0U1@mid.individual.net>: >> >>> On 16/02/2025 19:55, FromTheRafters wrote: >>>> on 2/16/2025, David supposed : >>>>> On 16/02/2025 15:37, FromTheRafters wrote: >>>>>> on 2/16/2025, David supposed : >>>>>>> On 16/02/2025 11:34, FromTheRafters wrote: >>>>>>>> David wrote : >>>>>>>>> This is a screenshot:- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://i.ibb.co/HLgy7hNf/Screenshot-2025-02-11-at-10-07-47.png >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I've erased my hard drive, just in case! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sheesh! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have it down to a fine art now! Just for kicks, I did a scan with >>>>>>> EtreCheck too - after I'd erased my drive. Would you like to see it? >>>>>> >>>>>> It's not ramnit again is it? :) >>>>> >>>>> No. You SAW what it was! Trojan OSX.RustAgent >>>> >>>> Can't find anything on that specific name. It looks like it was just a >>>> couple of attempts to get you to make a mistake, if it had executed >>>> there would have been more files to quarantine. >>> >>> Phew! >>> >>>>> *Can trojans hide from antivirus*? >>>> >>>> Of course, AV's are always playing catch-up to malware purveyors. There >>>> has to be a bad thing, for there to be a thing to detect such bad thing. >>> >>> I wanted my friends here to be absolutely sure about that! >> >> While I do sometimes run AVG or some other free malware checker, mostly I just >> do not worry. Never had any issue (not since Classic Mac OS days). > > Understood. > > I'd like you to understand that I do not personally "worry" for myself. > The more knowledge I have, though, the better I can advise my real-life > family and friends. Didn't you just wipe your hard drive? > >>>>> //The Warezov mail worm used this technique and caused serious issues to >>>>> users. Rootkit technologies – that are generally employed by Trojans – >>>>> can intercept and substitute system functions to make the infected file >>>>> invisible to the operating system and antivirus programs.// >>>> >>>> What does this have to do with what was reported? >>> >>> It was simply an example of a Trojan that DID cause harm. Nothing more. -- Specialist in unnecessary details and overcomplicated solutions.
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| From | David <BD@invalid.email> |
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| Date | 2025-02-16 21:16 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m1f2toF6rs0U4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #180231 |
On 16/02/2025 21:07, Brock McNuggets wrote: > On Feb 16, 2025 at 1:55:22 PM MST, "David" wrote > <m1f1lqF6rs1U1@mid.individual.net>: > >> On 16/02/2025 20:46, Brock McNuggets wrote: >>> On Feb 16, 2025 at 1:44:36 PM MST, "David" wrote >>> <m1f11lF6rs0U1@mid.individual.net>: >>> >>>> On 16/02/2025 19:55, FromTheRafters wrote: >>>>> on 2/16/2025, David supposed : >>>>>> On 16/02/2025 15:37, FromTheRafters wrote: >>>>>>> on 2/16/2025, David supposed : >>>>>>>> On 16/02/2025 11:34, FromTheRafters wrote: >>>>>>>>> David wrote : >>>>>>>>>> This is a screenshot:- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://i.ibb.co/HLgy7hNf/Screenshot-2025-02-11-at-10-07-47.png >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I've erased my hard drive, just in case! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sheesh! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have it down to a fine art now! Just for kicks, I did a scan with >>>>>>>> EtreCheck too - after I'd erased my drive. Would you like to see it? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's not ramnit again is it? :) >>>>>> >>>>>> No. You SAW what it was! Trojan OSX.RustAgent >>>>> >>>>> Can't find anything on that specific name. It looks like it was just a >>>>> couple of attempts to get you to make a mistake, if it had executed >>>>> there would have been more files to quarantine. >>>> >>>> Phew! >>>> >>>>>> *Can trojans hide from antivirus*? >>>>> >>>>> Of course, AV's are always playing catch-up to malware purveyors. There >>>>> has to be a bad thing, for there to be a thing to detect such bad thing. >>>> >>>> I wanted my friends here to be absolutely sure about that! >>> >>> While I do sometimes run AVG or some other free malware checker, mostly I just >>> do not worry. Never had any issue (not since Classic Mac OS days). >> >> Understood. >> >> I'd like you to understand that I do not personally "worry" for myself. >> The more knowledge I have, though, the better I can advise my real-life >> family and friends. > > Didn't you just wipe your hard drive? I have! That has been my AV strategy for years! (I've just explained that to Mike in another post). >>>>>> //The Warezov mail worm used this technique and caused serious issues to >>>>>> users. Rootkit technologies – that are generally employed by Trojans – >>>>>> can intercept and substitute system functions to make the infected file >>>>>> invisible to the operating system and antivirus programs.// >>>>> >>>>> What does this have to do with what was reported? >>>> >>>> It was simply an example of a Trojan that DID cause harm. Nothing more. -- David
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| From | Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-02-16 21:17 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <67b255e3$4$2790$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #180233 |
On Feb 16, 2025 at 2:16:40 PM MST, "David" wrote <m1f2toF6rs0U4@mid.individual.net>: > On 16/02/2025 21:07, Brock McNuggets wrote: >> On Feb 16, 2025 at 1:55:22 PM MST, "David" wrote >> <m1f1lqF6rs1U1@mid.individual.net>: >> >>> On 16/02/2025 20:46, Brock McNuggets wrote: >>>> On Feb 16, 2025 at 1:44:36 PM MST, "David" wrote >>>> <m1f11lF6rs0U1@mid.individual.net>: >>>> >>>>> On 16/02/2025 19:55, FromTheRafters wrote: >>>>>> on 2/16/2025, David supposed : >>>>>>> On 16/02/2025 15:37, FromTheRafters wrote: >>>>>>>> on 2/16/2025, David supposed : >>>>>>>>> On 16/02/2025 11:34, FromTheRafters wrote: >>>>>>>>>> David wrote : >>>>>>>>>>> This is a screenshot:- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://i.ibb.co/HLgy7hNf/Screenshot-2025-02-11-at-10-07-47.png >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I've erased my hard drive, just in case! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sheesh! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have it down to a fine art now! Just for kicks, I did a scan with >>>>>>>>> EtreCheck too - after I'd erased my drive. Would you like to see it? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's not ramnit again is it? :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No. You SAW what it was! Trojan OSX.RustAgent >>>>>> >>>>>> Can't find anything on that specific name. It looks like it was just a >>>>>> couple of attempts to get you to make a mistake, if it had executed >>>>>> there would have been more files to quarantine. >>>>> >>>>> Phew! >>>>> >>>>>>> *Can trojans hide from antivirus*? >>>>>> >>>>>> Of course, AV's are always playing catch-up to malware purveyors. There >>>>>> has to be a bad thing, for there to be a thing to detect such bad thing. >>>>> >>>>> I wanted my friends here to be absolutely sure about that! >>>> >>>> While I do sometimes run AVG or some other free malware checker, mostly I just >>>> do not worry. Never had any issue (not since Classic Mac OS days). >>> >>> Understood. >>> >>> I'd like you to understand that I do not personally "worry" for myself. >>> The more knowledge I have, though, the better I can advise my real-life >>> family and friends. >> >> Didn't you just wipe your hard drive? > > I have! That has been my AV strategy for years! > > (I've just explained that to Mike in another post). Seems a bit extreme... and if you bring your data back what good is it doing? > >>>>>>> //The Warezov mail worm used this technique and caused serious issues to >>>>>>> users. Rootkit technologies – that are generally employed by Trojans – >>>>>>> can intercept and substitute system functions to make the infected file >>>>>>> invisible to the operating system and antivirus programs.// >>>>>> >>>>>> What does this have to do with what was reported? >>>>> >>>>> It was simply an example of a Trojan that DID cause harm. Nothing more. > -- > David -- Specialist in unnecessary details and overcomplicated solutions.
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| From | David <BD@invalid.email> |
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| Date | 2025-02-16 21:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m1f3h1F6rs0U6@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #180234 |
On 16/02/2025 21:17, Brock McNuggets wrote: > On Feb 16, 2025 at 2:16:40 PM MST, "David" wrote > <m1f2toF6rs0U4@mid.individual.net>: > >> On 16/02/2025 21:07, Brock McNuggets wrote: >>> On Feb 16, 2025 at 1:55:22 PM MST, "David" wrote >>> <m1f1lqF6rs1U1@mid.individual.net>: >>> >>>> On 16/02/2025 20:46, Brock McNuggets wrote: >>>>> On Feb 16, 2025 at 1:44:36 PM MST, "David" wrote >>>>> <m1f11lF6rs0U1@mid.individual.net>: >>>>> >>>>>> On 16/02/2025 19:55, FromTheRafters wrote: >>>>>>> on 2/16/2025, David supposed : >>>>>>>> On 16/02/2025 15:37, FromTheRafters wrote: >>>>>>>>> on 2/16/2025, David supposed : >>>>>>>>>> On 16/02/2025 11:34, FromTheRafters wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> David wrote : >>>>>>>>>>>> This is a screenshot:- >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://i.ibb.co/HLgy7hNf/Screenshot-2025-02-11-at-10-07-47.png >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've erased my hard drive, just in case! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sheesh! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have it down to a fine art now! Just for kicks, I did a scan with >>>>>>>>>> EtreCheck too - after I'd erased my drive. Would you like to see it? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It's not ramnit again is it? :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No. You SAW what it was! Trojan OSX.RustAgent >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Can't find anything on that specific name. It looks like it was just a >>>>>>> couple of attempts to get you to make a mistake, if it had executed >>>>>>> there would have been more files to quarantine. >>>>>> >>>>>> Phew! >>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Can trojans hide from antivirus*? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Of course, AV's are always playing catch-up to malware purveyors. There >>>>>>> has to be a bad thing, for there to be a thing to detect such bad thing. >>>>>> >>>>>> I wanted my friends here to be absolutely sure about that! >>>>> >>>>> While I do sometimes run AVG or some other free malware checker, mostly I just >>>>> do not worry. Never had any issue (not since Classic Mac OS days). >>>> >>>> Understood. >>>> >>>> I'd like you to understand that I do not personally "worry" for myself. >>>> The more knowledge I have, though, the better I can advise my real-life >>>> family and friends. >>> >>> Didn't you just wipe your hard drive? >> >> I have! That has been my AV strategy for years! >> >> (I've just explained that to Mike in another post). > > Seems a bit extreme... and if you bring your data back what good is it doing? I don't bring my data back - I do a fresh, clean, install. Straight from the Apple Server. The process is called *Internet Recovery* (or **macOS Internet Recovery**). It allows you to perform a **clean install of macOS** directly from Apple's servers without needing installation media. To start **Internet Recovery**: 1. Turn off your Mac. 2. Turn it back on and immediately press and hold **Option (⌥) + Command (⌘) + R** until you see a spinning globe. 3. Follow the on-screen instructions to reinstall macOS. This method installs **the latest macOS version compatible with your Mac**. If you need the **original macOS version that came with your Mac**, use **Shift (⇧) + Option (⌥) + Command (⌘) + R** instead. Ref: (ChatGPT) >>>>>>>> //The Warezov mail worm used this technique and caused serious issues to >>>>>>>> users. Rootkit technologies – that are generally employed by Trojans – >>>>>>>> can intercept and substitute system functions to make the infected file >>>>>>>> invisible to the operating system and antivirus programs.// >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What does this have to do with what was reported? >>>>>> >>>>>> It was simply an example of a Trojan that DID cause harm. Nothing more. HTH -- David
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| From | Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-02-16 22:08 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <67b261e7$15$2761$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #180238 |
On Feb 16, 2025 at 2:26:56 PM MST, "David" wrote <m1f3h1F6rs0U6@mid.individual.net>: ... >>>>>> >>>>>> While I do sometimes run AVG or some other free malware checker, mostly I just >>>>>> do not worry. Never had any issue (not since Classic Mac OS days). >>>>> >>>>> Understood. >>>>> >>>>> I'd like you to understand that I do not personally "worry" for myself. >>>>> The more knowledge I have, though, the better I can advise my real-life >>>>> family and friends. >>>> >>>> Didn't you just wipe your hard drive? >>> >>> I have! That has been my AV strategy for years! >>> >>> (I've just explained that to Mike in another post). >> >> Seems a bit extreme... and if you bring your data back what good is it doing? > > I don't bring my data back - I do a fresh, clean, install. Your data is still on the Apple Cloud... meaning if you had malware there you still have the malware. > Straight from the Apple Server. > > The process is called *Internet Recovery* (or **macOS Internet > Recovery**). It allows you to perform a **clean install of macOS** > directly from Apple's servers without needing installation media. That is not your data. > > To start **Internet Recovery**: > 1. Turn off your Mac. > 2. Turn it back on and immediately press and hold **Option (⌥) + Command > (⌘) + R** until you see a spinning globe. > 3. Follow the on-screen instructions to reinstall macOS. > > This method installs **the latest macOS version compatible with your > Mac**. If you need the **original macOS version that came with your > Mac**, use **Shift (⇧) + Option (⌥) + Command (⌘) + R** instead. > > Ref: (ChatGPT) What value do you think that does for software saved in your user fold (malware or not)? > >>>>>>>>> //The Warezov mail worm used this technique and caused serious issues to >>>>>>>>> users. Rootkit technologies – that are generally employed by Trojans – >>>>>>>>> can intercept and substitute system functions to make the infected file >>>>>>>>> invisible to the operating system and antivirus programs.// >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What does this have to do with what was reported? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It was simply an example of a Trojan that DID cause harm. Nothing more. > > HTH -- Specialist in unnecessary details and overcomplicated solutions.
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| From | David <BD@invalid.email> |
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| Date | 2025-02-16 23:34 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m1fb0jF87jmU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #180240 |
On 16/02/2025 22:08, Brock McNuggets wrote: > On Feb 16, 2025 at 2:26:56 PM MST, "David" wrote > <m1f3h1F6rs0U6@mid.individual.net>: > ... > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> While I do sometimes run AVG or some other free malware checker, mostly I just >>>>>>> do not worry. Never had any issue (not since Classic Mac OS days). >>>>>> >>>>>> Understood. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'd like you to understand that I do not personally "worry" for myself. >>>>>> The more knowledge I have, though, the better I can advise my real-life >>>>>> family and friends. >>>>> >>>>> Didn't you just wipe your hard drive? >>>> >>>> I have! That has been my AV strategy for years! >>>> >>>> (I've just explained that to Mike in another post). >>> >>> Seems a bit extreme... and if you bring your data back what good is it doing? >> >> I don't bring my data back - I do a fresh, clean, install. > > Your data is still on the Apple Cloud... meaning if you had malware there you > still have the malware. Sadly, that is 100% true. That, of course, is when ClamXAV might catch it - if/when I download data from the iCloud. >> Straight from the Apple Server. >> >> The process is called *Internet Recovery* (or **macOS Internet >> Recovery**). It allows you to perform a **clean install of macOS** >> directly from Apple's servers without needing installation media. > > That is not your data. No - that belongs to Apple! >> To start **Internet Recovery**: >> 1. Turn off your Mac. >> 2. Turn it back on and immediately press and hold **Option (⌥) + Command >> (⌘) + R** until you see a spinning globe. >> 3. Follow the on-screen instructions to reinstall macOS. >> >> This method installs **the latest macOS version compatible with your >> Mac**. If you need the **original macOS version that came with your >> Mac**, use **Shift (⇧) + Option (⌥) + Command (⌘) + R** instead. >> >> Ref: (ChatGPT) > > What value do you think that does for software saved in your user fold > (malware or not)? I'm not 100% sure what you mean by that. <snip>
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| From | Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-02-16 23:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <67b276f4$8$17$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #180244 |
On Feb 16, 2025 at 4:34:43 PM MST, "David" wrote <m1fb0jF87jmU3@mid.individual.net>: > On 16/02/2025 22:08, Brock McNuggets wrote: >> On Feb 16, 2025 at 2:26:56 PM MST, "David" wrote >> <m1f3h1F6rs0U6@mid.individual.net>: >> ... >> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> While I do sometimes run AVG or some other free malware checker, mostly I just >>>>>>>> do not worry. Never had any issue (not since Classic Mac OS days). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Understood. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'd like you to understand that I do not personally "worry" for myself. >>>>>>> The more knowledge I have, though, the better I can advise my real-life >>>>>>> family and friends. >>>>>> >>>>>> Didn't you just wipe your hard drive? >>>>> >>>>> I have! That has been my AV strategy for years! >>>>> >>>>> (I've just explained that to Mike in another post). >>>> >>>> Seems a bit extreme... and if you bring your data back what good is it doing? >>> >>> I don't bring my data back - I do a fresh, clean, install. >> >> Your data is still on the Apple Cloud... meaning if you had malware there you >> still have the malware. > > Sadly, that is 100% true. > > That, of course, is when ClamXAV might catch it - if/when I download > data from the iCloud. Right. My point being that re-installing the OS is unlikely to help. Also unlikely to cause any real harm though... so if it makes you feel better / safer so be it. It is not like the old days where doing so was much of a hassle. > >>> Straight from the Apple Server. >>> >>> The process is called *Internet Recovery* (or **macOS Internet >>> Recovery**). It allows you to perform a **clean install of macOS** >>> directly from Apple's servers without needing installation media. >> >> That is not your data. > > No - that belongs to Apple! Right. > >>> To start **Internet Recovery**: >>> 1. Turn off your Mac. >>> 2. Turn it back on and immediately press and hold **Option (⌥) + Command >>> (⌘) + R** until you see a spinning globe. >>> 3. Follow the on-screen instructions to reinstall macOS. >>> >>> This method installs **the latest macOS version compatible with your >>> Mac**. If you need the **original macOS version that came with your >>> Mac**, use **Shift (⇧) + Option (⌥) + Command (⌘) + R** instead. >>> >>> Ref: (ChatGPT) >> >> What value do you think that does for software saved in your user fold >> (malware or not)? > > I'm not 100% sure what you mean by that. You are replacing files that are NOT you data... so it does not really help if there are bad things in your data. > > <snip> -- Specialist in unnecessary details and overcomplicated solutions.
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| From | David <BD@invalid.email> |
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| Date | 2025-02-16 23:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m1fc6jF87jmU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #180245 |
On 16/02/2025 23:38, Brock McNuggets wrote: > On Feb 16, 2025 at 4:34:43 PM MST, "David" wrote > <m1fb0jF87jmU3@mid.individual.net>: > >> On 16/02/2025 22:08, Brock McNuggets wrote: >>> On Feb 16, 2025 at 2:26:56 PM MST, "David" wrote >>> <m1f3h1F6rs0U6@mid.individual.net>: >>> ... >>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> While I do sometimes run AVG or some other free malware checker, mostly I just >>>>>>>>> do not worry. Never had any issue (not since Classic Mac OS days). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Understood. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'd like you to understand that I do not personally "worry" for myself. >>>>>>>> The more knowledge I have, though, the better I can advise my real-life >>>>>>>> family and friends. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Didn't you just wipe your hard drive? >>>>>> >>>>>> I have! That has been my AV strategy for years! >>>>>> >>>>>> (I've just explained that to Mike in another post). >>>>> >>>>> Seems a bit extreme... and if you bring your data back what good is it doing? >>>> >>>> I don't bring my data back - I do a fresh, clean, install. >>> >>> Your data is still on the Apple Cloud... meaning if you had malware there you >>> still have the malware. >> >> Sadly, that is 100% true. >> >> That, of course, is when ClamXAV might catch it - if/when I download >> data from the iCloud. > > Right. My point being that re-installing the OS is unlikely to help. Also > unlikely to cause any real harm though... so if it makes you feel better / > safer so be it. It is not like the old days where doing so was much of a > hassle. Erasing the hard drive is essential *BEFORE* reinstalling the macOS >>>> Straight from the Apple Server. >>>> >>>> The process is called *Internet Recovery* (or **macOS Internet >>>> Recovery**). It allows you to perform a **clean install of macOS** >>>> directly from Apple's servers without needing installation media. >>> >>> That is not your data. >> >> No - that belongs to Apple! > > Right. >> >>>> To start **Internet Recovery**: >>>> 1. Turn off your Mac. >>>> 2. Turn it back on and immediately press and hold **Option (⌥) + Command >>>> (⌘) + R** until you see a spinning globe. >>>> 3. Follow the on-screen instructions to reinstall macOS. >>>> >>>> This method installs **the latest macOS version compatible with your >>>> Mac**. If you need the **original macOS version that came with your >>>> Mac**, use **Shift (⇧) + Option (⌥) + Command (⌘) + R** instead. >>>> >>>> Ref: (ChatGPT) >>> >>> What value do you think that does for software saved in your user fold >>> (malware or not)? >> >> I'm not 100% sure what you mean by that. > > You are replacing files that are NOT you data... so it does not really help if > there are bad things in your data. I'm sorry - I still don't understand your point here. -- David
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| From | Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-02-17 00:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <67b2811a$3$19$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #180250 |
On Feb 16, 2025 at 4:54:59 PM MST, "David" wrote <m1fc6jF87jmU4@mid.individual.net>: > On 16/02/2025 23:38, Brock McNuggets wrote: >> On Feb 16, 2025 at 4:34:43 PM MST, "David" wrote >> <m1fb0jF87jmU3@mid.individual.net>: >> >>> On 16/02/2025 22:08, Brock McNuggets wrote: >>>> On Feb 16, 2025 at 2:26:56 PM MST, "David" wrote >>>> <m1f3h1F6rs0U6@mid.individual.net>: >>>> ... >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> While I do sometimes run AVG or some other free malware checker, mostly I just >>>>>>>>>> do not worry. Never had any issue (not since Classic Mac OS days). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Understood. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'd like you to understand that I do not personally "worry" for myself. >>>>>>>>> The more knowledge I have, though, the better I can advise my real-life >>>>>>>>> family and friends. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Didn't you just wipe your hard drive? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have! That has been my AV strategy for years! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (I've just explained that to Mike in another post). >>>>>> >>>>>> Seems a bit extreme... and if you bring your data back what good is it doing? >>>>> >>>>> I don't bring my data back - I do a fresh, clean, install. >>>> >>>> Your data is still on the Apple Cloud... meaning if you had malware there you >>>> still have the malware. >>> >>> Sadly, that is 100% true. >>> >>> That, of course, is when ClamXAV might catch it - if/when I download >>> data from the iCloud. >> >> Right. My point being that re-installing the OS is unlikely to help. Also >> unlikely to cause any real harm though... so if it makes you feel better / >> safer so be it. It is not like the old days where doing so was much of a >> hassle. > > Erasing the hard drive is essential *BEFORE* reinstalling the macOS No, you can reinstall on top of. And if you do erase the drive local files are going to be lost. > >>>>> Straight from the Apple Server. >>>>> >>>>> The process is called *Internet Recovery* (or **macOS Internet >>>>> Recovery**). It allows you to perform a **clean install of macOS** >>>>> directly from Apple's servers without needing installation media. >>>> >>>> That is not your data. >>> >>> No - that belongs to Apple! >> >> Right. >>> >>>>> To start **Internet Recovery**: >>>>> 1. Turn off your Mac. >>>>> 2. Turn it back on and immediately press and hold **Option (⌥) + Command >>>>> (⌘) + R** until you see a spinning globe. >>>>> 3. Follow the on-screen instructions to reinstall macOS. >>>>> >>>>> This method installs **the latest macOS version compatible with your >>>>> Mac**. If you need the **original macOS version that came with your >>>>> Mac**, use **Shift (⇧) + Option (⌥) + Command (⌘) + R** instead. >>>>> >>>>> Ref: (ChatGPT) >>>> >>>> What value do you think that does for software saved in your user fold >>>> (malware or not)? >>> >>> I'm not 100% sure what you mean by that. >> >> You are replacing files that are NOT you data... so it does not really help if >> there are bad things in your data. > > I'm sorry - I still don't understand your point here. Your malware was in places you are not replacing. -- Specialist in unnecessary details and overcomplicated solutions.
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| From | Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> |
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| Date | 2025-02-17 01:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <XnsB288CFDE58ACHT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5> |
| In reply to | #180226 |
Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> news:67b24e88$0$16$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com Sun, 16 Feb 2025 20:46:01 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote: > On Feb 16, 2025 at 1:44:36 PM MST, "David" wrote > <m1f11lF6rs0U1@mid.individual.net>: > >> I wanted my friends here to be absolutely sure about that! > > While I do sometimes run AVG or some other free malware checker, mostly > I just do not worry. Never had any issue (not since Classic Mac OS > days). Browser hijacking trojans are not Windows/Linux only, Snit. >>>> //The Warezov mail worm used this technique and caused serious issues >>>> to users. Rootkit technologies – that are generally employed by >>>> Trojans – can intercept and substitute system functions to make the >>>> infected file invisible to the operating system and antivirus >>>> programs.// >>> >>> What does this have to do with what was reported? >> >> It was simply an example of a Trojan that DID cause harm. Nothing more. So you don't know the difference either? A trojan doesn't self replicate. viruses and worms do that. The specific difference between them is that one usually needs a host and the other does not. There's also ones that are both. Toadie and Irok are good examples of that. David was trying to compare an Apple to an Orange here. For someone who has a masters in IT, how did you miss the difference there, Snit? :) Obviously security and matters concerning it are not subjects you are well versed on. -- I don't need no Dr. All I need...is my lawyer.
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