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So ...... is this real, or imagined?

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  So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 10:25 +0000
    Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-02-16 06:34 -0500
      Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 13:45 +0000
        Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 06:46 -0700
        Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-02-16 10:37 -0500
          Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 17:26 +0000
            Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-02-16 14:55 -0500
              Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 20:44 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 20:46 +0000
                  Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 20:55 +0000
                    Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 21:07 +0000
                      Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 21:16 +0000
                        Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 21:17 +0000
                          Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 21:26 +0000
                            Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 22:08 +0000
                              Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 23:34 +0000
                                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 23:38 +0000
                                  Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 23:54 +0000
                                    Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 00:21 +0000
                  Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-17 01:26 +0000
                    Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 01:45 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-17 01:26 +0000
                  Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 01:45 +0000
                    Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-17 04:41 +0000
                      Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 05:22 +0000
                        Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-22 05:27 +0000
                          Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 05:53 +0000
    Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 15:33 +0000
      Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 17:17 +0000
        Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 18:00 +0000
          Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 18:17 +0000
            Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 18:22 +0000
              Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 18:59 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 19:19 +0000
                  Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 19:36 +0000
                    Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 19:52 +0000
                      Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 20:49 +0000
                        Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 20:56 +0000
                          Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 21:20 +0000
                            Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 21:23 +0000
                              Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 23:45 +0000
                                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 23:52 +0000
                                  Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 23:58 +0000
                                    Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 00:18 +0000
                                      Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 12:34 +0000
                                        Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 14:11 +0000
                                          Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 14:21 +0000
                                            Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 07:37 -0700
                                              Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 16:47 +0000
                                            Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 16:11 +0000
                                              Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 16:44 +0000
                                                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 16:51 +0000
                                  Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2025-02-17 00:26 +0000
                                    Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-03-08 08:48 +0000
              Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-17 01:26 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 01:41 +0000
                  Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-17 04:41 +0000
                    Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 05:25 +0000
                    Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 05:42 +0000
                      Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-22 05:27 +0000
                        Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 05:43 +0000
        Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-02-16 14:57 -0500
          Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 20:51 +0000
        Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 21:13 +0000
          Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 21:19 +0000
            Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 23:25 +0000
              Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 23:38 +0000
          Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Kelly Phillips <KFile@podcasts.org> - 2025-02-16 16:19 -0600
            Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 23:49 +0000
              Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Kelly Phillips <KFile@podcasts.org> - 2025-02-17 15:58 -0600
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-17 22:27 +0000
                  Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-02-17 15:08 -0800
                    Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? T i m <eternal@spaced.me.uk> - 2025-02-19 23:10 +0000
                      Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David@home.today> - 2025-02-19 23:29 +0000
                        Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-22 05:27 +0000
                          Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 05:50 +0000
                          Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David@home.today> - 2025-02-22 22:36 +0000
                            Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 15:42 -0700
                            Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 22:42 +0000
                              Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David@home.today> - 2025-02-23 00:03 +0000
                                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-23 02:22 +0000
                                  Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-03-08 08:52 +0000
                                    Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Snit <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-03-08 14:16 +0000
                                      Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-03-08 22:33 +0000
                                        Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-03-08 23:19 +0000
                      Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-22 05:27 +0000
                        Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 05:39 +0000
                  Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 23:30 +0000
                    Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 17:11 -0700
                      Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-18 00:18 +0000
                        Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 17:25 -0700
                          Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-18 00:58 +0000
                            Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 18:51 -0700
                              Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-18 01:55 +0000
                                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 19:01 -0700
                                  Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-18 02:41 +0000
                  Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-22 05:27 +0000
                    Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 05:38 +0000
                    Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David@home.today> - 2025-02-22 22:42 +0000
                      Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 23:08 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-22 05:27 +0000
                  Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 05:46 +0000
        Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-17 01:26 +0000
          Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 01:43 +0000
          Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-02-17 15:07 +0000
            Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-22 05:27 +0000
    Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-17 01:26 +0000
      Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 01:45 +0000
        Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-17 04:41 +0000
          Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 05:21 +0000
            Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-22 05:27 +0000
              Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 05:54 +0000
      Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 08:45 +0000
        Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-02-26 10:28 +0100
          Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? T i m <eternal@spaced.me.uk> - 2025-03-04 10:11 +0000
        Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-02-26 04:52 -0500
          Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 12:46 +0000
            Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-02-26 08:04 -0500
              Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 13:57 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 14:01 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-02-26 09:47 -0500
                  Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-02-26 09:49 -0500
                    Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 15:24 +0000
                  Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 15:05 +0000
        Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 16:08 +0000
          Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 16:42 +0000
            Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 16:51 +0000
              Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 16:56 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 17:11 +0000
                  Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 17:30 +0000
                    Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 19:36 +0000
                      Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 19:57 +0000
    Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-02-26 08:35 +0100
      Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 08:36 +0000
        Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-02-26 11:41 +0100
          Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 14:02 +0000
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#180401

FromGremlin <nobody@haph.org>
Date2025-02-22 05:27 +0000
Message-ID<XnsB28E498354BEHT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>
In reply to#180300
Kelly Phillips <KFile@podcasts.org> 
news:e5c7rjh8a1u6rbu42k0u6rhi3cbqdvaus2@4ax.com Mon, 17 Feb 2025 21:58:05 
GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

> On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 23:49:39 +0000, David <BD@invalid.email> wrote:
> 
>>On 16/02/2025 22:19, Kelly Phillips wrote:
>>> On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 21:13:27 +0000, David <BD@invalid.email> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 16/02/2025 19:44, Mike Easter wrote:
>>>>> AND...
>>>>
>>>>> ... your most frequently used anti-malware tactic is to 'regularly'
>>>>> erase your hdd and reinstall from scratch.
>>>>
>>>> I'm aware that you don't agree with my methodology - but it works! :-D
>>> 
>>> But does it REALLY work? Remember when you used to be extremely fearful
>>> that wiping your drive didn't actually wipe every nook and cranny, and
>>> that your malware could possibly "lurk" or "hide" (your words) in some
>>> dark area of the drive, only to spring back to life at some time in the
>>> future?
>>
>>I did *NOT* specify *DRIVE* in that regard.
> 
> I don't think you have any idea what you've said. It's all good, though.

In this case, he does. He's talking about malware hiding in firmware. He 
began doing this after the how to delojack a laptop thread I created 
sometime ago. I mentioned optionroms and how Windows would happily extract 
and load them, without your permission and/or knowledge (unless you catch it 
doing it, as I did) David did what David does, took what I wrote, without 
bothering to read all of it, and assumed if it's an optionrom there's 
fuckall you can do, the malware will always get you. But, as I'm sure you 
know, that's really not how it works. He doesn't understand that, and, I'd 
be wasting my time trying to explain the finer details.
 
>>I was suggesting that malware can reside elsewhere within the physical 
>>machine.
> 
> Yes, I saw that, as well.

Optionroms aren't the only place malware could hide and remain persistent. 
But to say it's unstoppable or that you can't do anything about it, isn't 
true. David just doesn't understand the concepts involved in proper Cyber 
Security. He's still very much a paranoid n00b. That said, I do believe his 
technical abilities are greater than Snits and Tims. Atleast David will give 
something a try; doesn't pawn it off with 'its too hard, do it for me' like 
we've seen Tim repeatedly do with Apd.

-- 
I don't need no Dr. All I need...is my lawyer.
 

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#180410

FromBrock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com>
Date2025-02-22 05:46 +0000
Message-ID<67b964ab$14$2761$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>
In reply to#180401
On Feb 21, 2025 at 10:27:06 PM MST, "Gremlin" wrote
<XnsB28E498354BEHT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:

> Kelly Phillips <KFile@podcasts.org>
> news:e5c7rjh8a1u6rbu42k0u6rhi3cbqdvaus2@4ax.com Mon, 17 Feb 2025 21:58:05
> GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
> 
>> On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 23:49:39 +0000, David <BD@invalid.email> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 16/02/2025 22:19, Kelly Phillips wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 21:13:27 +0000, David <BD@invalid.email> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 16/02/2025 19:44, Mike Easter wrote:
>>>>>> AND...
>>>>> 
>>>>>> ... your most frequently used anti-malware tactic is to 'regularly'
>>>>>> erase your hdd and reinstall from scratch.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm aware that you don't agree with my methodology - but it works! :-D
>>>> 
>>>> But does it REALLY work? Remember when you used to be extremely fearful
>>>> that wiping your drive didn't actually wipe every nook and cranny, and
>>>> that your malware could possibly "lurk" or "hide" (your words) in some
>>>> dark area of the drive, only to spring back to life at some time in the
>>>> future?
>>> 
>>> I did *NOT* specify *DRIVE* in that regard.
>> 
>> I don't think you have any idea what you've said. It's all good, though.
> 
> In this case, he does. He's talking about malware hiding in firmware. He
> began doing this after the how to delojack a laptop thread I created
> sometime ago. I mentioned optionroms and how Windows would happily extract
> and load them, without your permission and/or knowledge (unless you catch it
> doing it, as I did) David did what David does, took what I wrote, without
> bothering to read all of it, and assumed if it's an optionrom there's
> fuckall you can do, the malware will always get you. But, as I'm sure you
> know, that's really not how it works. He doesn't understand that, and, I'd
> be wasting my time trying to explain the finer details.
> 
>>> I was suggesting that malware can reside elsewhere within the physical
>>> machine.
>> 
>> Yes, I saw that, as well.
> 
> Optionroms aren't the only place malware could hide and remain persistent.
> But to say it's unstoppable or that you can't do anything about it, isn't
> true. David just doesn't understand the concepts involved in proper Cyber
> Security. He's still very much a paranoid n00b. That said, I do believe his
> technical abilities are greater than Snits and Tims. Atleast David will give
> something a try; doesn't pawn it off with 'its too hard, do it for me' like
> we've seen Tim repeatedly do with Apd.

Where to even begin with this latest display of your usual mix of
condescension and misinterpretation? Let’s dive in, since you seem to enjoy
making sweeping, fact-free claims.

1. “You don’t have any idea what you’ve said.”
Actually, you’re the one who has no clue. If you truly understood the topic,
you wouldn’t be so dismissive of what David said. He clearly mentioned the
idea of malware hiding in places like firmware. I’m sure you’ve convinced
yourself this is some profound revelation, but it’s basic knowledge in
cybersecurity that persistent malware can exist in firmware, option ROMs, or
even the BIOS. You’re not offering any new information here, just parading it
as if you’ve unearthed some ancient secret.

2. “David assumed if it’s an optionrom there’s fuckall you can do, the malware
will always get you.”
Oh, please. It’s not an issue of David being overly cautious, it’s a
reflection of the real-world difficulty of dealing with persistent firmware
malware. It’s certainly not “unstoppable,” but it’s far from trivial to
remove. You’re so quick to brush off valid concerns by calling David a
“paranoid n00b,” but, in reality, you’re dismissing one of the most
significant security risks—firmware malware—because it’s inconvenient for your
narrative. That’s weak, even by your standards.

3. “David doesn’t understand the concepts involved in proper Cyber Security.”
Yet, here you are, talking down to him while spewing nonsense that doesn’t
even address the issue. “Proper Cyber Security” isn’t about brushing off real
concerns and assuming they’re a product of paranoia. David’s skepticism about
wiping a drive is valid—firmware-level threats don’t just disappear with a
clean reinstall. It’s not a matter of lacking understanding; it’s about being
pragmatic in a field where absolute guarantees are rarely possible.

4. “He’s still very much a paranoid n00b.”
I’d love to know where you got your magical authority on defining who’s a
“n00b” and who isn’t. From what I see, David seems far more grounded in
understanding the nuances of persistent threats than you do, who appears
content to wave them away with insults instead of offering any concrete
solutions.

5. “David will give something a try; doesn’t pawn it off with ‘it’s too hard,
do it for me’ like we’ve seen Tim repeatedly do with Apd.”
Let’s focus on your odd, hypocritical insult about other people’s supposed
shortcomings. Instead of addressing the issue at hand, you try to deflect by
pointing fingers at Tim. It’s strange how you love to play the blame game and
make digs at others to elevate your own fragile ego. But guess what, Gremlin?
This isn’t about Tim or anyone else. It’s about malware, cybersecurity, and
your complete inability to have an actual, informed discussion about it.

6. The Real Problem: You’re All Talk and No Substance.
You parade around making blanket statements without actually diving into
anything meaningful. Your entire stance here is built on belittling others
instead of acknowledging the very real concerns they bring up. Real security
experts are aware of threats like firmware-level malware and don’t wave them
off with the dismissiveness you seem so fond of. You claim expertise, but all
you offer is condescension and an apparent inability to engage with the
complexities of the subject.

So, in conclusion: stop pretending like you’ve unlocked some deeper knowledge
that others can’t understand. You’re just regurgitating basic ideas with a
level of smugness that’s completely undeserved. If you want to have a real
discussion, maybe try backing up your bravado with actual substance. You’ve
already been shown up far too many times.

But hey, I’m sure this won’t sink in for you. You’ll just continue your same
tired act.

Enjoy the echo chamber.



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#180260

FromGremlin <nobody@haph.org>
Date2025-02-17 01:26 +0000
Message-ID<XnsB288CFDF3DEDHT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>
In reply to#180212
David <BD@invalid.email> news:m1eku4F4vrhU1@mid.individual.net Sun, 16 Feb
2025 17:17:56 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote: 

> On 16/02/2025 15:33, Brock McNuggets wrote:
>> On Feb 16, 2025 at 3:25:12 AM MST, "David" wrote
>> <m1dso8F1e0qU1@mid.individual.net>:
>> 
>>> This is a screenshot:-
>>>
>>> https://i.ibb.co/HLgy7hNf/Screenshot-2025-02-11-at-10-07-47.png
>>>
>>> I've erased my hard drive, just in case!
>> 
>> Didn't that come from an email? And it was quarantined. Not sure what
>> good erasing the hard drive will do.
> 
> Regardless of where it came from, ClamXAV reported it as malware. If 
> someone was/is using an Apple computer WITHOUT such an anti-malware
> software running, they'd nver know that a Trojan had been installed on
> their computer.

FFS, You should have verified it wasn't a false positive before you took 
such drastic measures.
 
> *Understanding Trojan Viruses and How to Get Rid of Them*

Find yourself another article to read. There's no such thing as a trojan 
virus, David.

> https://www.mcafee.com/learn/understanding-trojan-viruses-and-how-to-get-
> rid-of-them/ 

Mcafee should be ashamed of themselves. I get dumbing things down for people, 
but holy shit, let's not make them fucking stupid in the process. Again, 
there is no such thing as a trojan virus. A trojan and a virus are not the 
same beastie. A virus can have a payload, or multiple payloads, but this 
doesn't turn it into a trojan. It's still very much a virus, because it self 
replicates. Trojans do not.


> Erasing one's hard drive SHOULD remove the Trojan! ;-)

That's the same line of thought as throwing the baby out with the bath water. 
It's counter productive and solves nothing.
Plus, you may have had a false positive. You should always confirm before 
you take any action. You should not be advising anyone on how to care for 
their machine when security of it is concerned; You do NOT know what the 
fuck you are doing. You might as well be more like snit, open up a computer 
repair shop and fuck your clients gear up enough that another shop offers a 
David discount. <G>






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#180263

FromBrock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com>
Date2025-02-17 01:43 +0000
Message-ID<67b29428$0$15$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>
In reply to#180260
On Feb 16, 2025 at 6:26:04 PM MST, "Gremlin" wrote
<XnsB288CFDF3DEDHT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:

> David <BD@invalid.email> news:m1eku4F4vrhU1@mid.individual.net Sun, 16 Feb
> 2025 17:17:56 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
> 
>> On 16/02/2025 15:33, Brock McNuggets wrote:
>>> On Feb 16, 2025 at 3:25:12 AM MST, "David" wrote
>>> <m1dso8F1e0qU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>> 
>>>> This is a screenshot:-
>>>> 
>>>> https://i.ibb.co/HLgy7hNf/Screenshot-2025-02-11-at-10-07-47.png
>>>> 
>>>> I've erased my hard drive, just in case!
>>> 
>>> Didn't that come from an email? And it was quarantined. Not sure what
>>> good erasing the hard drive will do.
>> 
>> Regardless of where it came from, ClamXAV reported it as malware. If
>> someone was/is using an Apple computer WITHOUT such an anti-malware
>> software running, they'd nver know that a Trojan had been installed on
>> their computer.
> 
> FFS, You should have verified it wasn't a false positive before you took
> such drastic measures.
> 
>> *Understanding Trojan Viruses and How to Get Rid of Them*
> 
> Find yourself another article to read. There's no such thing as a trojan
> virus, David.
> 
>> https://www.mcafee.com/learn/understanding-trojan-viruses-and-how-to-get-
>> rid-of-them/
> 
> Mcafee should be ashamed of themselves. I get dumbing things down for people,
> but holy shit, let's not make them fucking stupid in the process. Again,
> there is no such thing as a trojan virus. A trojan and a virus are not the
> same beastie. A virus can have a payload, or multiple payloads, but this
> doesn't turn it into a trojan. It's still very much a virus, because it self
> replicates. Trojans do not.
> 
> 
>> Erasing one's hard drive SHOULD remove the Trojan! ;-)
> 
> That's the same line of thought as throwing the baby out with the bath water.
> It's counter productive and solves nothing.
> Plus, you may have had a false positive. You should always confirm before
> you take any action. You should not be advising anyone on how to care for
> their machine when security of it is concerned; You do NOT know what the
> fuck you are doing. You might as well be more like snit, open up a computer
> repair shop and fuck your clients gear up enough that another shop offers a
> David discount. <G>

You’re right that a Trojan and a virus are different, and blindly wiping a
hard drive without confirming a threat is overkill. But let’s not pretend that
ClamXAV (or any AV) is infallible—false positives happen, and verifying is
key.

That said, tossing in a jab about me just shows you’re more interested in
taking cheap shots than discussing security properly. If you’ve got a real
point to make, stick to it. Otherwise, you’re just making noise.

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#180283

Frompothead <pothead@snakebite.com>
Date2025-02-17 15:07 +0000
Message-ID<vovjak$16ln5$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#180260
On 2025-02-17, Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> wrote:
> David <BD@invalid.email> news:m1eku4F4vrhU1@mid.individual.net Sun, 16 Feb
> 2025 17:17:56 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote: 
>
>> On 16/02/2025 15:33, Brock McNuggets wrote:
>>> On Feb 16, 2025 at 3:25:12 AM MST, "David" wrote
>>> <m1dso8F1e0qU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>> 
>>>> This is a screenshot:-
>>>>
>>>> https://i.ibb.co/HLgy7hNf/Screenshot-2025-02-11-at-10-07-47.png
>>>>
>>>> I've erased my hard drive, just in case!
>>> 
>>> Didn't that come from an email? And it was quarantined. Not sure what
>>> good erasing the hard drive will do.
>> 
>> Regardless of where it came from, ClamXAV reported it as malware. If 
>> someone was/is using an Apple computer WITHOUT such an anti-malware
>> software running, they'd nver know that a Trojan had been installed on
>> their computer.
>
> FFS, You should have verified it wasn't a false positive before you took 
> such drastic measures.
>  
>> *Understanding Trojan Viruses and How to Get Rid of Them*
>
> Find yourself another article to read. There's no such thing as a trojan 
> virus, David.
>
>> https://www.mcafee.com/learn/understanding-trojan-viruses-and-how-to-get-
>> rid-of-them/ 
>
> Mcafee should be ashamed of themselves. I get dumbing things down for people, 
> but holy shit, let's not make them fucking stupid in the process. Again, 
> there is no such thing as a trojan virus. A trojan and a virus are not the 
> same beastie. A virus can have a payload, or multiple payloads, but this 
> doesn't turn it into a trojan. It's still very much a virus, because it self 
> replicates. Trojans do not.
>
>
>> Erasing one's hard drive SHOULD remove the Trojan! ;-)
>
> That's the same line of thought as throwing the baby out with the bath water. 
> It's counter productive and solves nothing.
> Plus, you may have had a false positive. You should always confirm before 
> you take any action. You should not be advising anyone on how to care for 
> their machine when security of it is concerned; You do NOT know what the 
> fuck you are doing. You might as well be more like snit, open up a computer 
> repair shop and fuck your clients gear up enough that another shop offers a 
> David discount. <G>

David could call the business "Jack The Ripper's Computer Repair".  Their slogan could be
"Once we fix a computer it's fixed forever".


-- 
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Read below to learn the reason.
The Biden Crime Family Timeline here:
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#180405

FromGremlin <nobody@haph.org>
Date2025-02-22 05:27 +0000
Message-ID<XnsB28E49B755C8HT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>
In reply to#180283
pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> news:vovjak$16ln5$1@dont-email.me Mon, 17
Feb 2025 15:07:00 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote: 

> On 2025-02-17, Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> wrote:
>> David <BD@invalid.email> news:m1eku4F4vrhU1@mid.individual.net Sun, 16
>> Feb 2025 17:17:56 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote: 
>>
>>> On 16/02/2025 15:33, Brock McNuggets wrote:
>>>> On Feb 16, 2025 at 3:25:12 AM MST, "David" wrote
>>>> <m1dso8F1e0qU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>> 
>>>>> This is a screenshot:-
>>>>>
>>>>> https://i.ibb.co/HLgy7hNf/Screenshot-2025-02-11-at-10-07-47.png
>>>>>
>>>>> I've erased my hard drive, just in case!
>>>> 
>>>> Didn't that come from an email? And it was quarantined. Not sure what
>>>> good erasing the hard drive will do.
>>> 
>>> Regardless of where it came from, ClamXAV reported it as malware. If 
>>> someone was/is using an Apple computer WITHOUT such an anti-malware
>>> software running, they'd nver know that a Trojan had been installed on
>>> their computer.
>>
>> FFS, You should have verified it wasn't a false positive before you
>> took such drastic measures.
>>  
>>> *Understanding Trojan Viruses and How to Get Rid of Them*
>>
>> Find yourself another article to read. There's no such thing as a
>> trojan virus, David.
>>
>>> https://www.mcafee.com/learn/understanding-trojan-viruses-and-how-to-ge
>>> t- rid-of-them/ 
>>
>> Mcafee should be ashamed of themselves. I get dumbing things down for
>> people, but holy shit, let's not make them fucking stupid in the
>> process. Again, there is no such thing as a trojan virus. A trojan and
>> a virus are not the same beastie. A virus can have a payload, or
>> multiple payloads, but this doesn't turn it into a trojan. It's still
>> very much a virus, because it self replicates. Trojans do not.
>>
>>
>>> Erasing one's hard drive SHOULD remove the Trojan! ;-)
>>
>> That's the same line of thought as throwing the baby out with the bath
>> water. It's counter productive and solves nothing.
>> Plus, you may have had a false positive. You should always confirm
>> before you take any action. You should not be advising anyone on how to
>> care for their machine when security of it is concerned; You do NOT
>> know what the fuck you are doing. You might as well be more like snit,
>> open up a computer repair shop and fuck your clients gear up enough
>> that another shop offers a David discount. <G>
> 
> David could call the business "Jack The Ripper's Computer Repair". 
> Their slogan could be "Once we fix a computer it's fixed forever".

Muahaha. Fuck! Well, I was almost done with that dew anyhow. <G>


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#180257

FromGremlin <nobody@haph.org>
Date2025-02-17 01:26 +0000
Message-ID<XnsB288CFDCE6022HT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>
In reply to#180205
David <BD@invalid.email> news:m1dso8F1e0qU1@mid.individual.net Sun, 16 Feb 
2025 10:25:12 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

> This is a screenshot:-
> 
> https://i.ibb.co/HLgy7hNf/Screenshot-2025-02-11-at-10-07-47.png
> 
> I've erased my hard drive, just in case!

Based on the content of your screenshot, you more than slightly over reacted. 
It posed no real threat to you, and wiping your machine wasn't necessary. 
Trojans are not viruses or worms. They do not self replicate.  



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#180266

FromBrock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com>
Date2025-02-17 01:45 +0000
Message-ID<67b294cc$7$2790$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>
In reply to#180257
On Feb 16, 2025 at 6:26:01 PM MST, "Gremlin" wrote
<XnsB288CFDCE6022HT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:

> David <BD@invalid.email> news:m1dso8F1e0qU1@mid.individual.net Sun, 16 Feb
> 2025 10:25:12 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
> 
>> This is a screenshot:-
>> 
>> https://i.ibb.co/HLgy7hNf/Screenshot-2025-02-11-at-10-07-47.png
>> 
>> I've erased my hard drive, just in case!
> 
> Based on the content of your screenshot, you more than slightly over reacted.
> It posed no real threat to you, and wiping your machine wasn't necessary.
> Trojans are not viruses or worms. They do not self replicate.

Good to see you agree with what I have told him.

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#180269

FromGremlin <nobody@haph.org>
Date2025-02-17 04:41 +0000
Message-ID<XnsB288F10748FCCHT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>
In reply to#180266
Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com>
news:67b294cc$7$2790$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com Mon, 17 Feb 2025 01:45:48
GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote: 

> On Feb 16, 2025 at 6:26:01 PM MST, "Gremlin" wrote
> <XnsB288CFDCE6022HT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:
> 
>> David <BD@invalid.email> news:m1dso8F1e0qU1@mid.individual.net Sun, 16
>> Feb 2025 10:25:12 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
>> 
>>> This is a screenshot:-
>>> 
>>> https://i.ibb.co/HLgy7hNf/Screenshot-2025-02-11-at-10-07-47.png
>>> 
>>> I've erased my hard drive, just in case!
>> 
>> Based on the content of your screenshot, you more than slightly over
>> reacted. It posed no real threat to you, and wiping your machine wasn't
>> necessary. Trojans are not viruses or worms. They do not self
>> replicate. 
> 
> Good to see you agree with what I have told him.

As I made perfectly clear to all who can read, I based my comments on the 
screenshot he shared. Not what anyone wrote. I haven't made it thru all of 
your posts yet, and, I have no plans on wasting the time to do so. You 
attacked me for repeating what FromTheRafters already told him, a 
considerable time before I did. You wrote nothing to FTR about that, 
though. You singled me out for telling David the same fucking thing. You 
attacked me for being pendantic (sp?) concerning the differences. Going so 
far as to state I was nitpicking. Crickets to FTRs comment and Mikes 
followup along with FTRs followup to Mike Easter. Oh, but I say the same 
fucking thing, later on, I'm the bad guy. I shouldn't be 'smug' towards 
David. I wasn't being smug, you illiterate shitstain on the underwear of 
life.

I hadn't read all of your replies to him at the time I wrote that, either. 
So if by chance we agreed on the most basic of all possible information to 
provide him, great. Does that mean you actually know much about the 
subject without having to use google? Hahaha, highly doubtful.


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#180270

FromBrock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com>
Date2025-02-17 05:21 +0000
Message-ID<67b2c751$13$20$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>
In reply to#180269
On Feb 16, 2025 at 9:41:38 PM MST, "Gremlin" wrote
<XnsB288F10748FCCHT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:

> Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com>
> news:67b294cc$7$2790$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com Mon, 17 Feb 2025 01:45:48
> GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
> 
>> On Feb 16, 2025 at 6:26:01 PM MST, "Gremlin" wrote
>> <XnsB288CFDCE6022HT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:
>> 
>>> David <BD@invalid.email> news:m1dso8F1e0qU1@mid.individual.net Sun, 16
>>> Feb 2025 10:25:12 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
>>> 
>>>> This is a screenshot:-
>>>> 
>>>> https://i.ibb.co/HLgy7hNf/Screenshot-2025-02-11-at-10-07-47.png
>>>> 
>>>> I've erased my hard drive, just in case!
>>> 
>>> Based on the content of your screenshot, you more than slightly over
>>> reacted. It posed no real threat to you, and wiping your machine wasn't
>>> necessary. Trojans are not viruses or worms. They do not self
>>> replicate.
>> 
>> Good to see you agree with what I have told him.
> 
> As I made perfectly clear to all who can read, I based my comments on the
> screenshot he shared.

As did I. Likely why we reached similar conclusions. None of this was that
deep.

> Not what anyone wrote.

Maybe. Maybe not. Who cares?

> I haven't made it thru all of
> your posts yet,

To busy writing your ego-filled manifestos. Sure.

>  and, I have no plans on wasting the time to do so. You
> attacked me

Your victim mentality is showing again.

> for repeating what FromTheRafters already told him, a
> considerable time before I did. You wrote nothing to FTR about that,
> though. You singled me out for telling David the same fucking thing.

I noted we agreed. Get her it.

>  You
> attacked me for being pendantic (sp?) concerning the differences. Going so
> far as to state I was nitpicking. Crickets to FTRs comment and Mikes
> followup along with FTRs followup to Mike Easter. Oh, but I say the same
> fucking thing, later on, I'm the bad guy. I shouldn't be 'smug' towards
> David. I wasn't being smug, you illiterate shitstain on the underwear of
> life.
> 
> I hadn't read all of your replies to him at the time I wrote that, either.
> So if by chance we agreed on the most basic of all possible information to
> provide him, great. Does that mean you actually know much about the
> subject without having to use google? Hahaha, highly doubtful.

Your ego is showing again.

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#180406

FromGremlin <nobody@haph.org>
Date2025-02-22 05:27 +0000
Message-ID<XnsB28E49C31011HT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>
In reply to#180270
Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> 
news:67b2c751$13$20$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com Mon, 17 Feb 2025 05:21:21 
GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

> On Feb 16, 2025 at 9:41:38 PM MST, "Gremlin" wrote
> <XnsB288F10748FCCHT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:
> 
>> As I made perfectly clear to all who can read, I based my comments on the
>> screenshot he shared.
> 
> As did I. Likely why we reached similar conclusions. None of this was that
> deep.

Maybe you did, maybe you didn't. You're notoriously bad for taking credit 
you don't deserve. I don't have that issue.
 
>> I haven't made it thru all of
>> your posts yet,
> 
> To busy writing your ego-filled manifestos. Sure.

You're full of shit, and, you damn well know it. This is your latest excuse 
to weasel out of the potential for a real technical discussion. At the end 
of the day, we aren't the only ones here who know you can't keep up with me, 
Snit. Bluntly writing the truth (which is all I've done here) is not that of 
an ego demonstration. I don't have the ego you're trying to paint me out as 
having anymore so than I'm a 'functionally illiterate fraud'; that's another 
description you actually flat out, made the fuck up for me. Snit, it's a 
fucking fact that you're a troll. That you sock up, and, lie your fucking 
ass off. You accept no responsibility for any mistakes you write. Case in 
point, that total bullshit story you wrote for me about the floodbot. You 
took very creative writing liberty and went well out of your way to sell it; 
yet I'm the one who's supposed to be confused. That you failed to 'protect 
me from myself'; what in the fuck could that even mean in relation to the 
floodbot story you wrote, OR anything else for that matter? It sounds like a 
verbatim mental copy/paste from something you've been told, no doubt while 
on someones couch during a professional session. Dude, it's beyond clear to 
myself and others that you've sat on more than one couch and racked up some 
serious hours doing it. You're a walking adult clusterfuck in his fifties 
who doesn't maintain a steady job of any kind for a living. 

Instead, you've learned to grift. That's how you have the freetime to play 
and fuck around on usenet; writing nearly a thousand fucking posts in a 
single month. Do you still not realize such data makes it clear that you 
aren't a contributing member to society? That you are infact, *abusing*, the 
system. That my tax dollars and that of everyone else who works for a living 
feeds you and houses you. Snit, i'm willing to go so far as to go ahead and 
state that you are getting an SSI check and you have for a very long time 
now. That's how you're making it. But, I and others like me are responsible 
for where the money comes from! It comes from our fucking taxes. I can't 
even begin to express how happy it makes me to know that you have all the 
free time to do whatever you like, but you choose to fuck off on usenet all 
day/night while I have to work for a living. I don't have the luxury of 
doing that. Uncle sam doesn't hook me up with a damn thing. Instead, I have 
to earn it, by *working for a living*

You're a poster child for one of the most popular sayings on a jobsite. 
"Work harder! Millions on welfare depend on you!" Welfare may not apply 
specifically to you, but the underlying concept is the same. I work and you 
are supported by my and others contributions to society; against our will, 
mind you, against our will. Taxed on my paycheck, taxed again on almost 
every fucking thing I spend it on. And having no say in what the taxes 
collected are used for. So nice to know I helped gaza with some condom 
issues. And contributed for a trans show. Yep, that was a wise investment. 
So glad to see Trump putting an end to that bullshit and I'm not even a 
political person. You didn't, but those of us who work for a living and pay 
taxes all did.


>>  and, I have no plans on wasting the time to do so. You
>> attacked me
> 
> Your victim mentality is showing again.

Give your psycho babble nonsense a rest already. None of us want to hear you 
repeat what you've been told while laying on a couch with a professional 
head shrinker. You're the one who has a fucked up view of things, not me.

>> for repeating what FromTheRafters already told him, a
>> considerable time before I did. You wrote nothing to FTR about that,
>> though. You singled me out for telling David the same fucking thing.
> 
> I noted we agreed. Get her it.

You are so full of shite, this is what you 'noted':
Message-ID: <67b294b9$4$2786$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>
http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=174018335100

You basically borrowed chatgpt again and wrote this bullshit:

I wrote this:
> No, it wasn't. A worm isn't a trojan. Trojans do not self replicate. Worms
> and viruses do. You compared an Apple to an Orange here, David.

And the following is what you wrote. You really don't grasp that usenet has 
a memory and you can't deny your own words later. They can be recovered and 
shown, as I've done here and, in another post where you try to deny what you 
did; that should be going out with this batch.

Oh, give it a rest, Gremlin. You’re so desperate to play “Gotcha!” that 
you’ve
completely missed the point—again.

David was making a general point about malware evasion techniques, but 
instead
of engaging in a meaningful discussion, you’re nitpicking over terminology
like some self-important gatekeeper of IT trivia. Yes, a worm and a Trojan 
are
distinct classifications. Congratulations, you’ve grasped Malware 101. Should
we throw you a party?

****

You had fuckall to say about it to FTR who wrote the same thing as myself. 
Instead, you came at me like you did in that post and when I responded to it, 
you accuse me of having a fucking ego. You are a total bullshitter, dude. I 
went into more details and got somewhat specific as I educated David, but I 
took the same issue with the terminology as FTR did. The reason is quite 
simple, too. You don't cure the flu with antibiotics. You probably don't 
even get the reference...


>>  You
>> attacked me for being pendantic (sp?) concerning the differences. Going so
>> far as to state I was nitpicking. Crickets to FTRs comment and Mikes
>> followup along with FTRs followup to Mike Easter. Oh, but I say the same
>> fucking thing, later on, I'm the bad guy. I shouldn't be 'smug' towards
>> David. I wasn't being smug, you illiterate shitstain on the underwear of
>> life.
>> 
>> I hadn't read all of your replies to him at the time I wrote that, either.
>> So if by chance we agreed on the most basic of all possible information to
>> provide him, great. Does that mean you actually know much about the
>> subject without having to use google? Hahaha, highly doubtful.
> 
> Your ego is showing again.


No snit. What's showing is your gross illiteracy. Your failure to actually 
comprehend what you read. A known and well documented problem you have 
that's been documented going back decades. You can't dismiss your known past 
anymore so than I can dismiss mine. And between the two of us, your history 
is much worse. You're known as a usenet troll for fucks sake. You have lists 
specifically describing the ways in which you try to manipulate and lie 
about people and in conversations in general. You've actually demonstrated 
the accuracy of the snitlist as well, multiple times now, in this very 
newsgroup. It's not even difficult to pick a post of yours at random, pull 
up the snit lies methods list and match several documented ways in which you 
do it, all in the same fucking post.

-- 
I don't need no Dr. All I need...is my lawyer.
 

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#180412

FromBrock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com>
Date2025-02-22 05:54 +0000
Message-ID<67b9668e$26$21$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>
In reply to#180406
On Feb 21, 2025 at 10:27:11 PM MST, "Gremlin" wrote
<XnsB28E49C31011HT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:

> Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com>
> news:67b2c751$13$20$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com Mon, 17 Feb 2025 05:21:21
> GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
> 
>> On Feb 16, 2025 at 9:41:38 PM MST, "Gremlin" wrote
>> <XnsB288F10748FCCHT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:
>> 
>>> As I made perfectly clear to all who can read, I based my comments on the
>>> screenshot he shared.
>> 
>> As did I. Likely why we reached similar conclusions. None of this was that
>> deep.
> 
> Maybe you did, maybe you didn't. You're notoriously bad for taking credit
> you don't deserve. I don't have that issue.
> 
>>> I haven't made it thru all of
>>> your posts yet,
>> 
>> To busy writing your ego-filled manifestos. Sure.
> 
> You're full of shit, and, you damn well know it. This is your latest excuse
> to weasel out of the potential for a real technical discussion. At the end
> of the day, we aren't the only ones here who know you can't keep up with me,
> Snit. Bluntly writing the truth (which is all I've done here) is not that of
> an ego demonstration. I don't have the ego you're trying to paint me out as
> having anymore so than I'm a 'functionally illiterate fraud'; that's another
> description you actually flat out, made the fuck up for me. Snit, it's a
> fucking fact that you're a troll. That you sock up, and, lie your fucking
> ass off. You accept no responsibility for any mistakes you write. Case in
> point, that total bullshit story you wrote for me about the floodbot. You
> took very creative writing liberty and went well out of your way to sell it;
> yet I'm the one who's supposed to be confused. That you failed to 'protect
> me from myself'; what in the fuck could that even mean in relation to the
> floodbot story you wrote, OR anything else for that matter? It sounds like a
> verbatim mental copy/paste from something you've been told, no doubt while
> on someones couch during a professional session. Dude, it's beyond clear to
> myself and others that you've sat on more than one couch and racked up some
> serious hours doing it. You're a walking adult clusterfuck in his fifties
> who doesn't maintain a steady job of any kind for a living.
> 
> Instead, you've learned to grift. That's how you have the freetime to play
> and fuck around on usenet; writing nearly a thousand fucking posts in a
> single month. Do you still not realize such data makes it clear that you
> aren't a contributing member to society? That you are infact, *abusing*, the
> system. That my tax dollars and that of everyone else who works for a living
> feeds you and houses you. Snit, i'm willing to go so far as to go ahead and
> state that you are getting an SSI check and you have for a very long time
> now. That's how you're making it. But, I and others like me are responsible
> for where the money comes from! It comes from our fucking taxes. I can't
> even begin to express how happy it makes me to know that you have all the
> free time to do whatever you like, but you choose to fuck off on usenet all
> day/night while I have to work for a living. I don't have the luxury of
> doing that. Uncle sam doesn't hook me up with a damn thing. Instead, I have
> to earn it, by *working for a living*
> 
> You're a poster child for one of the most popular sayings on a jobsite.
> "Work harder! Millions on welfare depend on you!" Welfare may not apply
> specifically to you, but the underlying concept is the same. I work and you
> are supported by my and others contributions to society; against our will,
> mind you, against our will. Taxed on my paycheck, taxed again on almost
> every fucking thing I spend it on. And having no say in what the taxes
> collected are used for. So nice to know I helped gaza with some condom
> issues. And contributed for a trans show. Yep, that was a wise investment.
> So glad to see Trump putting an end to that bullshit and I'm not even a
> political person. You didn't, but those of us who work for a living and pay
> taxes all did.
> 
> 
>>>  and, I have no plans on wasting the time to do so. You
>>> attacked me
>> 
>> Your victim mentality is showing again.
> 
> Give your psycho babble nonsense a rest already. None of us want to hear you
> repeat what you've been told while laying on a couch with a professional
> head shrinker. You're the one who has a fucked up view of things, not me.
> 
>>> for repeating what FromTheRafters already told him, a
>>> considerable time before I did. You wrote nothing to FTR about that,
>>> though. You singled me out for telling David the same fucking thing.
>> 
>> I noted we agreed. Get her it.
> 
> You are so full of shite, this is what you 'noted':
> Message-ID: <67b294b9$4$2786$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>
> http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=174018335100
> 
> You basically borrowed chatgpt again and wrote this bullshit:
> 
> I wrote this:
>> No, it wasn't. A worm isn't a trojan. Trojans do not self replicate. Worms
>> and viruses do. You compared an Apple to an Orange here, David.
> 
> And the following is what you wrote. You really don't grasp that usenet has
> a memory and you can't deny your own words later. They can be recovered and
> shown, as I've done here and, in another post where you try to deny what you
> did; that should be going out with this batch.
> 
> Oh, give it a rest, Gremlin. You’re so desperate to play “Gotcha!” that
> you’ve
> completely missed the point—again.
> 
> David was making a general point about malware evasion techniques, but
> instead
> of engaging in a meaningful discussion, you’re nitpicking over terminology
> like some self-important gatekeeper of IT trivia. Yes, a worm and a Trojan
> are
> distinct classifications. Congratulations, you’ve grasped Malware 101. Should
> we throw you a party?
> 
> ****
> 
> You had fuckall to say about it to FTR who wrote the same thing as myself.
> Instead, you came at me like you did in that post and when I responded to it,
> you accuse me of having a fucking ego. You are a total bullshitter, dude. I
> went into more details and got somewhat specific as I educated David, but I
> took the same issue with the terminology as FTR did. The reason is quite
> simple, too. You don't cure the flu with antibiotics. You probably don't
> even get the reference...
> 
> 
>>>  You
>>> attacked me for being pendantic (sp?) concerning the differences. Going so
>>> far as to state I was nitpicking. Crickets to FTRs comment and Mikes
>>> followup along with FTRs followup to Mike Easter. Oh, but I say the same
>>> fucking thing, later on, I'm the bad guy. I shouldn't be 'smug' towards
>>> David. I wasn't being smug, you illiterate shitstain on the underwear of
>>> life.
>>> 
>>> I hadn't read all of your replies to him at the time I wrote that, either.
>>> So if by chance we agreed on the most basic of all possible information to
>>> provide him, great. Does that mean you actually know much about the
>>> subject without having to use google? Hahaha, highly doubtful.
>> 
>> Your ego is showing again.
> 
> 
> No snit. What's showing is your gross illiteracy. Your failure to actually
> comprehend what you read. A known and well documented problem you have
> that's been documented going back decades. You can't dismiss your known past
> anymore so than I can dismiss mine. And between the two of us, your history
> is much worse. You're known as a usenet troll for fucks sake. You have lists
> specifically describing the ways in which you try to manipulate and lie
> about people and in conversations in general. You've actually demonstrated
> the accuracy of the snitlist as well, multiple times now, in this very
> newsgroup. It's not even difficult to pick a post of yours at random, pull
> up the snit lies methods list and match several documented ways in which you
> do it, all in the same fucking post.

It’s clear from your entire message that you’re trying desperately to deflect
responsibility and project your own flaws onto others—classic misdirection,
really. First off, the fact that you’re accusing me of being the one full of
ego and false credit while you’re sitting here inventing elaborate narratives
about me that have zero basis in reality is both hilarious and pathetic.
You’re so fixated on your imagined superiority that you can’t even see the
irony in your own words.

Let’s talk about your so-called “grift” accusations. You have no idea how I
live or what I do, but it’s cute that you assume I have “all this free time”
based on your assumptions about what makes someone productive or valuable. I
suppose to you, if someone isn’t working in a factory or on some other 9-5
grind, they’re clearly “abusing the system.” The idea that you’re entitled to
make such judgments based on nothing but your own narrow perspective is
laughable. Maybe you should take a moment to look at your own life and ask why
you’re so consumed with how others live their lives that you’ve decided to
make a hobby of slinging unfounded insults. But then again, if you spent less
time “working” and more time reflecting on your own behavior, maybe you’d
realize that you’re not exactly the shining beacon of responsibility you’re
trying to present yourself as.

Your desperate need to bring up my past and label me a “troll” is a weak
attempt to discredit anything I say, but it just makes you look unoriginal.
You’d have people believe I’m the problem, but all I’m doing is calling out
your nonsense for what it is. Every time you point the finger at me, three
fingers are pointing back at you, and you can’t even acknowledge your own
hypocrisy.

And as for your whining about taxes and me supposedly “sucking on the
system”—do you actually think anyone cares about your misguided political
views or the over-the-top way you try to make me out to be some kind of
villain? It’s honestly embarrassing. You want to come off as some self-made,
hard-working martyr, but what you really are is a bitter, judgmental person
who can’t handle it when others aren’t as obsessed with your self-righteous,
manufactured sense of superiority.

You’ve been trying so hard to deflect attention from your own shortcomings by
tossing out insults and throwing around baseless accusations, and it’s frankly
tiring. You’re no better than the people you claim to despise, and this entire
message only proves it. So keep on talking, but know that no matter how much
you try to paint yourself as some kind of moral authority, you’re still just a
keyboard cowboy with nothing but a bitter outlook and a lot of unsubstantiated
noise. You’re transparent. And honestly? It’s pathetic.

-- 
Specialist in unnecessary details and overcomplicated solutions.

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#180480

FromDavid <David.is@home.today>
Date2025-02-26 08:45 +0000
Message-ID<m282koF31tU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#180257
On 17/02/2025 01:26, Gremlin wrote:
> David <BD@invalid.email> news:m1dso8F1e0qU1@mid.individual.net Sun, 16 Feb
> 2025 10:25:12 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
> 
>> This is a screenshot:-
>>
>> https://i.ibb.co/HLgy7hNf/Screenshot-2025-02-11-at-10-07-47.png
>>
>> I've erased my hard drive, just in case!
> 
> Based on the content of your screenshot, you more than slightly over reacted.
> It posed no real threat to you, and wiping your machine wasn't necessary.
> Trojans are not viruses or worms. They do not self replicate.

Will you explain, please, *WHY* that Trojan posed no threat?

This is what ChatGPT says about it:-

**Trojan.OSX.RustAgent** is a type of macOS malware written in the Rust 
programming language. Rust is popular among malware developers because 
it’s cross-platform, fast, and harder to reverse-engineer than some 
older languages.

The **RustAgent** Trojan usually works by:
- **Gaining unauthorized access** to a macOS system.
- **Downloading and executing payloads** — additional malicious software.
- **Collecting sensitive data** such as passwords or browser information.
- **Communicating with a command-and-control (C2) server** to receive 
further instructions from attackers.

**How does it spread?**
- Fake app installers or cracked software.
- Phishing emails with malicious attachments.
- Drive-by downloads from compromised websites.

**How to check for it:**
1. Run a reputable antivirus/malware scanner for macOS.
2. Monitor your **Activity Monitor** for suspicious processes.
3. Check **~/Library/LaunchAgents** and **/Library/LaunchDaemons** for 
strange files.

=

Perhaps you are not as clued-up on Macs as you think you are, Dustin!

-- 
Kind regards
David
(With apologies to John - but I am STILL David!)

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#180481

FromJörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net>
Date2025-02-26 10:28 +0100
Message-ID<vpmmrq$ocrr$1@solani.org>
In reply to#180480
On 26.02.25 09:45, David wrote:
> On 17/02/2025 01:26, Gremlin wrote:
>> David <BD@invalid.email> news:m1dso8F1e0qU1@mid.individual.net Sun, 16 Feb
>> 2025 10:25:12 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
>>
>>> This is a screenshot:-
>>>
>>> https://i.ibb.co/HLgy7hNf/Screenshot-2025-02-11-at-10-07-47.png
>>>
>>> I've erased my hard drive, just in case!
>>
>> Based on the content of your screenshot, you more than slightly over reacted.
>> It posed no real threat to you, and wiping your machine wasn't necessary.
>> Trojans are not viruses or worms. They do not self replicate.
> 
> Will you explain, please, *WHY* that Trojan posed no threat?

Because you are obsessed. You have obviously not the capabilities to
differentiate digital threats and you tend to believe nonsense.
Especially things from "tools" that have to create results to make money.

> This is what ChatGPT says about it:-

Another kind of reduced intelligence.


-- 
"Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)

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#180553

FromT i m <eternal@spaced.me.uk>
Date2025-03-04 10:11 +0000
Message-ID<vq6jkc$1qorh$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#180481
On 26/02/2025 09:28, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

<snip>

> Because you are obsessed. You have obviously not the capabilities to
> differentiate digital threats and you tend to believe nonsense.

Him and a good few other weak people without inner direction but I 
predict that will change as it's changing here as people open their eyes 
and their minds to the facts over their indoctrination.

> Especially things from "tools" that have to create results to make money.
> 
>> This is what ChatGPT says about it:-
> 
> Another kind of reduced intelligence.
> 
Hehe. He would have to ask his ChatGPT brain to explain that one to him!

T i m

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#180483

FromFromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org>
Date2025-02-26 04:52 -0500
Message-ID<vpmo8c$2gons$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#180480
David explained :
> On 17/02/2025 01:26, Gremlin wrote:
>> David <BD@invalid.email> news:m1dso8F1e0qU1@mid.individual.net Sun, 16 Feb
>> 2025 10:25:12 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
>> 
>>> This is a screenshot:-
>>>
>>> https://i.ibb.co/HLgy7hNf/Screenshot-2025-02-11-at-10-07-47.png
>>>
>>> I've erased my hard drive, just in case!
>> 
>> Based on the content of your screenshot, you more than slightly over 
>> reacted.
>> It posed no real threat to you, and wiping your machine wasn't necessary.
>> Trojans are not viruses or worms. They do not self replicate.
>
> Will you explain, please, *WHY* that Trojan posed no threat?
>
> This is what ChatGPT says about it:-
>
> **Trojan.OSX.RustAgent** is a type of macOS malware written in the Rust 
> programming language. Rust is popular among malware developers because it’s 
> cross-platform, fast, and harder to reverse-engineer than some older 
> languages.
>
> The **RustAgent** Trojan usually works by:
> - **Gaining unauthorized access** to a macOS system.
> - **Downloading and executing payloads** — additional malicious software.
> - **Collecting sensitive data** such as passwords or browser information.
> - **Communicating with a command-and-control (C2) server** to receive further 
> instructions from attackers.
>
> **How does it spread?**
> - Fake app installers or cracked software.
> - Phishing emails with malicious attachments.
> - Drive-by downloads from compromised websites.
>
> **How to check for it:**
> 1. Run a reputable antivirus/malware scanner for macOS.
> 2. Monitor your **Activity Monitor** for suspicious processes.
> 3. Check **~/Library/LaunchAgents** and **/Library/LaunchDaemons** for 
> strange files.
>
> =
>
> Perhaps you are not as clued-up on Macs as you think you are, Dustin!

The OS makes no difference here, you have a landmine which hasn't even 
been stepped on yet. Delete such a trojan and you're done.

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#180493

FromDavid <David.is@home.today>
Date2025-02-26 12:46 +0000
Message-ID<m28gpsF27d7U3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#180483
On 26/02/2025 09:52, FromTheRafters wrote:
> David explained :
>> On 17/02/2025 01:26, Gremlin wrote:
>>> David <BD@invalid.email> news:m1dso8F1e0qU1@mid.individual.net Sun, 
>>> 16 Feb
>>> 2025 10:25:12 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
>>>
>>>> This is a screenshot:-
>>>>
>>>> https://i.ibb.co/HLgy7hNf/Screenshot-2025-02-11-at-10-07-47.png
>>>>
>>>> I've erased my hard drive, just in case!
>>>
>>> Based on the content of your screenshot, you more than slightly over 
>>> reacted.
>>> It posed no real threat to you, and wiping your machine wasn't 
>>> necessary.
>>> Trojans are not viruses or worms. They do not self replicate.
>>
>> Will you explain, please, *WHY* that Trojan posed no threat?
>>
>> This is what ChatGPT says about it:-
>>
>> **Trojan.OSX.RustAgent** is a type of macOS malware written in the 
>> Rust programming language. Rust is popular among malware developers 
>> because it’s cross-platform, fast, and harder to reverse-engineer than 
>> some older languages.
>>
>> The **RustAgent** Trojan usually works by:
>> - **Gaining unauthorized access** to a macOS system.
>> - **Downloading and executing payloads** — additional malicious software.
>> - **Collecting sensitive data** such as passwords or browser information.
>> - **Communicating with a command-and-control (C2) server** to receive 
>> further instructions from attackers.
>>
>> **How does it spread?**
>> - Fake app installers or cracked software.
>> - Phishing emails with malicious attachments.
>> - Drive-by downloads from compromised websites.
>>
>> **How to check for it:**
>> 1. Run a reputable antivirus/malware scanner for macOS.
>> 2. Monitor your **Activity Monitor** for suspicious processes.
>> 3. Check **~/Library/LaunchAgents** and **/Library/LaunchDaemons** for 
>> strange files.
>>
>> =
>>
>> Perhaps you are not as clued-up on Macs as you think you are, Dustin!
> 
> The OS makes no difference here, you have a landmine which hasn't even 
> been stepped on yet. Delete such a trojan and you're done.

My point is that without an anti-malware software programme to catch it, 
you'd never know that it was there - hiding!

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#180494

FromFromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org>
Date2025-02-26 08:04 -0500
Message-ID<vpn3ha$2ip3s$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#180493
David pretended :
> On 26/02/2025 09:52, FromTheRafters wrote:
>> David explained :
>>> On 17/02/2025 01:26, Gremlin wrote:
>>>> David <BD@invalid.email> news:m1dso8F1e0qU1@mid.individual.net Sun, 16 
>>>> Feb
>>>> 2025 10:25:12 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This is a screenshot:-
>>>>>
>>>>> https://i.ibb.co/HLgy7hNf/Screenshot-2025-02-11-at-10-07-47.png
>>>>>
>>>>> I've erased my hard drive, just in case!
>>>>
>>>> Based on the content of your screenshot, you more than slightly over 
>>>> reacted.
>>>> It posed no real threat to you, and wiping your machine wasn't necessary.
>>>> Trojans are not viruses or worms. They do not self replicate.
>>>
>>> Will you explain, please, *WHY* that Trojan posed no threat?
>>>
>>> This is what ChatGPT says about it:-
>>>
>>> **Trojan.OSX.RustAgent** is a type of macOS malware written in the Rust 
>>> programming language. Rust is popular among malware developers because 
>>> it’s cross-platform, fast, and harder to reverse-engineer than some older 
>>> languages.
>>>
>>> The **RustAgent** Trojan usually works by:
>>> - **Gaining unauthorized access** to a macOS system.
>>> - **Downloading and executing payloads** — additional malicious software.
>>> - **Collecting sensitive data** such as passwords or browser information.
>>> - **Communicating with a command-and-control (C2) server** to receive 
>>> further instructions from attackers.
>>>
>>> **How does it spread?**
>>> - Fake app installers or cracked software.
>>> - Phishing emails with malicious attachments.
>>> - Drive-by downloads from compromised websites.
>>>
>>> **How to check for it:**
>>> 1. Run a reputable antivirus/malware scanner for macOS.
>>> 2. Monitor your **Activity Monitor** for suspicious processes.
>>> 3. Check **~/Library/LaunchAgents** and **/Library/LaunchDaemons** for 
>>> strange files.
>>>
>>> =
>>>
>>> Perhaps you are not as clued-up on Macs as you think you are, Dustin!
>> 
>> The OS makes no difference here, you have a landmine which hasn't even been 
>> stepped on yet. Delete such a trojan and you're done.
>
> My point is that without an anti-malware software programme to catch it, 
> you'd never know that it was there - hiding!

It is best not to execute or even open email like this.

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#180495

FromDavid <David.is@home.today>
Date2025-02-26 13:57 +0000
Message-ID<m28kunF2vqjU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#180494
On 26/02/2025 13:04, FromTheRafters wrote:
> David pretended :
>> On 26/02/2025 09:52, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>> David explained :
>>>> On 17/02/2025 01:26, Gremlin wrote:
>>>>> David <BD@invalid.email> news:m1dso8F1e0qU1@mid.individual.net Sun, 
>>>>> 16 Feb
>>>>> 2025 10:25:12 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> This is a screenshot:-
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://i.ibb.co/HLgy7hNf/Screenshot-2025-02-11-at-10-07-47.png
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've erased my hard drive, just in case!
>>>>>
>>>>> Based on the content of your screenshot, you more than slightly 
>>>>> over reacted.
>>>>> It posed no real threat to you, and wiping your machine wasn't 
>>>>> necessary.
>>>>> Trojans are not viruses or worms. They do not self replicate.
>>>>
>>>> Will you explain, please, *WHY* that Trojan posed no threat?
>>>>
>>>> This is what ChatGPT says about it:-
>>>>
>>>> **Trojan.OSX.RustAgent** is a type of macOS malware written in the 
>>>> Rust programming language. Rust is popular among malware developers 
>>>> because it’s cross-platform, fast, and harder to reverse-engineer 
>>>> than some older languages.
>>>>
>>>> The **RustAgent** Trojan usually works by:
>>>> - **Gaining unauthorized access** to a macOS system.
>>>> - **Downloading and executing payloads** — additional malicious 
>>>> software.
>>>> - **Collecting sensitive data** such as passwords or browser 
>>>> information.
>>>> - **Communicating with a command-and-control (C2) server** to 
>>>> receive further instructions from attackers.
>>>>
>>>> **How does it spread?**
>>>> - Fake app installers or cracked software.
>>>> - Phishing emails with malicious attachments.
>>>> - Drive-by downloads from compromised websites.
>>>>
>>>> **How to check for it:**
>>>> 1. Run a reputable antivirus/malware scanner for macOS.
>>>> 2. Monitor your **Activity Monitor** for suspicious processes.
>>>> 3. Check **~/Library/LaunchAgents** and **/Library/LaunchDaemons** 
>>>> for strange files.
>>>>
>>>> =
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps you are not as clued-up on Macs as you think you are, Dustin!
>>>
>>> The OS makes no difference here, you have a landmine which hasn't 
>>> even been stepped on yet. Delete such a trojan and you're done.
>>
>> My point is that without an anti-malware software programme to catch 
>> it, you'd never know that it was there - hiding!
> 
> It is best not to execute or even open email like this.

Understood. But people *DO* open such email - and have no idea that
Apple is NOT protecting them!

Do, please, take a look at a post I've made on ucsm.

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#180496

FromDavid <David.is@home.today>
Date2025-02-26 14:01 +0000
Message-ID<m28l4vF2vqjU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#180495
On 26/02/2025 13:57, David wrote:
[....]
> Do, please, take a look at a post I've made on ucsm.


On 26/02/2025 10:41, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

 > Unannounced X-posting is impolite.

I will accept that!

A technical question for you.

Apple has total control over my Apple devices if fired by Apple software.

Does Apple still have access to my old 24 inch iMac which is running 
Linux Mint?

It seems that it might!!! This is what Chat GPT helped me to find:-


david@david-iMac:~$ sudo efibootmgr
[sudo] password for david:
BootCurrent: 0000
Timeout: 5 seconds
BootOrder: 0000,0001,0080
Boot0000* Ubuntu 
HD(1,GPT,eecbee81-1d74-414b-9764-2f0e5f291cfc,0x800,0x80000)/File(\EFI\ubuntu\shimx64.efi)
Boot0001* MX Linux 
HD(1,GPT,eecbee81-1d74-414b-9764-2f0e5f291cfc,0x800,0x80000)/File(\EFI\MX\grubx64.efi)
Boot0080* Mac OS X 
PciRoot(0x0)/Pci(0x1f,0x2)/Sata(0,0,0)/HD(2,GPT,91ee5c37-7d10-4bc0-ae45-429938a266c1,0x64028,0x3a2e1fe0)
Boot0081* Mac OS X 
PciRoot(0x0)/Pci(0x1f,0x2)/Sata(0,0,0)/HD(2,GPT,1a03b12d-4501-4d31-9577-92ea1e134d85,0x64028,0x3a1ec0c0)
BootFFFF* 
PciRoot(0x0)/Pci(0x1d,0x0)/USB(0,0)/HD(2,0,00000000000000000000000000000000,0x21c4,0x2800)/File(\EFI\BOOT\BOOTX64.efi)

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david@david-iMac:~$ dpkg -l | grep -i apple
ii  cinnamon-control-center-data 6.4.1+xia 
    all configuration applets for Cinnamon - data files
ii  gir1.2-matepanelapplet-4.0:amd64 1.27.1-2build3 
        amd64        GObject introspection data for MATE panel
ii  gkbd-capplet 3.28.1-1build3                             amd64 
GNOME control center tools for libgnomekbd
ii  libayatana-indicator3-7:amd64 0.9.4-1build1 
     amd64        panel indicator applet - shared library (GTK-3+ variant)
ii  libetonyek-0.1-1:amd64 0.1.10-5build1 
amd64        library for reading and converting Apple Keynote presentations
ii  libimobiledevice-utils 1.3.0-8.1build3 
amd64        Utitilies for communicating with iPhone and other Apple devices
ii  libimobiledevice6:amd64 1.3.0-8.1build3 
amd64        Library for communicating with iPhone and other Apple devices
ii  libmate-panel-applet-4-1:amd64 1.27.1-2build3 
      amd64        library for MATE Panel applets
ii  libplist-2.0-4:amd64 2.3.0-1~exp2build2 
amd64        Library for handling Apple binary and XML property lists
ii  nvidia-prime-applet 1.4.4                                      all 
        An applet for NVIDIA Prime

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david@david-iMac:~$ sudo fdisk -l
Disk /dev/sda: 465.76 GiB, 500107862016 bytes, 976773168 sectors
Disk model: CT500MX500SSD1
Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 4096 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 4096 bytes / 4096 bytes
Disklabel type: gpt
Disk identifier: 75DF666E-BCDD-44B3-9D7D-D8B4362B7C30

Device         Start       End   Sectors   Size Type
/dev/sda1       2048    526335    524288   256M EFI System
/dev/sda2     526336 488648703 488122368 232.8G Linux filesystem
/dev/sda3  488648704 976771071 488122368 232.8G Linux filesystem
david@david-iMac:~$

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Looks like I've got a bit of work to do to clean up the old iMac!  ;-)

-- 
David

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