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Belief - I'd like to share this item with you.

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First post2024-02-25 11:26 +0000
Last post2025-02-25 09:37 -0700
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  Belief - I'd like to share this item with you. David B. <bdb@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-02-25 11:26 +0000
    Re: Belief - I'd like to share this item with you. T i m <eternal@spaced.me.uk> - 2024-02-25 12:17 +0000
      Re: Belief - I'd like to share this item with you. Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> - 2024-02-25 14:08 +0000
        Re: Belief - I'd like to share this item with you. Frederick <fred@ypical.demon.invalid> - 2024-02-25 16:43 +0000
    Re: Belief - I'd like to share this item with you. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2024-02-25 19:18 +0100
      Re: Belief - I'd like to share this item with you. David <David@home.today> - 2025-02-24 11:36 +0000
        Re: Belief - I'd like to share this item with you. Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> - 2025-02-24 17:13 -0700
          Re: Belief - I'd like to share this item with you. "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-02-25 09:10 +0000
            Re: Belief - I'd like to share this item with you. David <David@home.today> - 2025-02-25 10:53 +0000
              Re: Belief - I'd like to share this item with you. "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-02-25 14:14 +0000
                Re: Belief - I'd like to share this item with you. David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-25 19:56 +0000
                Re: Belief - I'd like to share this item with you. Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> - 2025-02-25 09:40 -0700
                Re: Belief - I'd like to share this item with you. FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-02-25 16:52 -0500
                  Re: Belief - I'd like to share this item with you. David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-25 22:53 +0000
            Re: Belief - I'd like to share this item with you. RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com> - 2025-02-25 08:21 -0600
            Re: Belief - I'd like to share this item with you. Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> - 2025-02-25 09:37 -0700

#176453 — Belief - I'd like to share this item with you.

FromDavid B. <bdb@nomail.afraid.org>
Date2024-02-25 11:26 +0000
SubjectBelief - I'd like to share this item with you.
Message-ID<l40megFm6p4U1@mid.individual.net>
"Secrets of the Cell with Michael Behe"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw94qm4qdn8

The video is about half an hour long. I found the content absolutely
fascinating.

No longer do I believe in Darwin's Theory of Evolution!

If you take the time out to watch this video presentation, I'd be really
interested to learn what YOU think about what you've seen and heard.

Sincerely,
-- 
David

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#176454

FromT i m <eternal@spaced.me.uk>
Date2024-02-25 12:17 +0000
Message-ID<urfb41$1rdaq$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#176453
On 25/02/2024 11:26, David B. wrote:
> "Secrets of the Cell with Michael Behe"
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw94qm4qdn8
> 
> The video is about half an hour long. I found the content absolutely
> fascinating.

Isn't cognitive bias a wonderful thing.
> 
> No longer do I believe in Darwin's Theory of Evolution!

I'm not sure I ever thought about what any one person thought about such 
things, let alone Darwins *Theory*.

However, you believe whatever best fits your cognitive bias. And it 
doesn't actually matter what Darwin suggested (to you), all that matters 
(to you) is that you can better *believe* it was all done by your 
magical bearded cloud goD.
> 
> If you take the time out to watch this video presentation,

I took about 60 seconds and that was enough, thanks.

> I'd be really
> interested to learn what YOU think about what you've seen and heard.

That you are still a nutter!
> 
> Sincerely,

Yes, sincerely. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

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#176457

FromAlan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid>
Date2024-02-25 14:08 +0000
Message-ID<urfhkg$j8vi$1@solani.org>
In reply to#176454
On 25 Feb 2024 at 12:17:03 GMT, "T i m" <eternal@spaced.me.uk> wrote:

> On 25/02/2024 11:26, David B. wrote:
>> "Secrets of the Cell with Michael Behe"
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw94qm4qdn8
>> 
>> The video is about half an hour long. I found the content absolutely
>> fascinating.
> 
> Isn't cognitive bias a wonderful thing.
>> 
>> No longer do I believe in Darwin's Theory of Evolution!
> 
> I'm not sure I ever thought about what any one person thought about such
> things, let alone Darwins *Theory*.
> 
> However, you believe whatever best fits your cognitive bias. And it
> doesn't actually matter what Darwin suggested (to you), all that matters
> (to you) is that you can better *believe* it was all done by your
> magical bearded cloud goD.
>> 
>> If you take the time out to watch this video presentation,
> 
> I took about 60 seconds and that was enough, thanks.
> 
>> I'd be really
>> interested to learn what YOU think about what you've seen and heard.
> 
> That you are still a nutter!

And you too are a f****** nutter to get involved with such a devious c*** of a
troil. Welcome to my kill file list.

-- 
Cheers, Alan

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#176464

FromFrederick <fred@ypical.demon.invalid>
Date2024-02-25 16:43 +0000
Message-ID<mpro.s9f7sl002wuxu019u.fred@ypical.demon.invalid>
In reply to#176457
In message <urfhkg$j8vi$1@solani.org>
     Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

[snip]
> And you too are a f****** nutter to get involved with such a devious
> c*** of a troil. Welcome to my kill file list.
> 

Please don't remove newsgroups - they're useful for filters. I was unaware
of this thread 'til you posted.

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#176466

Fromnospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder)
Date2024-02-25 19:18 +0100
Message-ID<1qphz7a.1gh3x0ws6kpdeN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>
In reply to#176453
David B. <bdb@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
[talk.origins added]

> "Secrets of the Cell with Michael Behe"
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw94qm4qdn8
> 
> The video is about half an hour long. I found the content absolutely
> fascinating.
> 
> No longer do I believe in Darwin's Theory of Evolution!

Good for you!

> If you take the time out to watch this video presentation, I'd be really
> interested to learn what YOU think about what you've seen and heard.

May I point you to to the newsgroup   talk.origins  ?
They are badly in need of fresh creationists there.
[Fto: set]

They'll gladly tell you there what they think of Michael Behe,

Jan

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#180455

FromDavid <David@home.today>
Date2025-02-24 11:36 +0000
Message-ID<m233t9F7va0U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#176466
On 25/02/2024 18:18, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> David B. <bdb@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> [talk.origins added]
> 
>> "Secrets of the Cell with Michael Behe"
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw94qm4qdn8
>>
>> The video is about half an hour long. I found the content absolutely
>> fascinating.
>>
>> No longer do I believe in Darwin's Theory of Evolution!
> 
> Good for you!
> 
>> If you take the time out to watch this video presentation, I'd be really
>> interested to learn what YOU think about what you've seen and heard.
> 
> May I point you to to the newsgroup   talk.origins  ?
> They are badly in need of fresh creationists there.
> [Fto: set]
> 
> They'll gladly tell you there what they think of Michael Behe,


Thank you, Jan :-)

(Please don't mess with selected newsgroups though)

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#180457

FromBob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off>
Date2025-02-24 17:13 -0700
Message-ID<pn2qrj5qcgd536fudgc31tmjqstkhtp1uo@4ax.com>
In reply to#180455
On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 11:36:09 +0000, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by David <David@home.today>:

>On 25/02/2024 18:18, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>> David B. <bdb@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>> [talk.origins added]
>> 
>>> "Secrets of the Cell with Michael Behe"
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw94qm4qdn8
>>>
>>> The video is about half an hour long. I found the content absolutely
>>> fascinating.
>>>
>>> No longer do I believe in Darwin's Theory of Evolution!
>> 
>> Good for you!
>> 
>>> If you take the time out to watch this video presentation, I'd be really
>>> interested to learn what YOU think about what you've seen and heard.
>> 
>> May I point you to to the newsgroup   talk.origins  ?
>> They are badly in need of fresh creationists there.
>> [Fto: set]
>> 
>> They'll gladly tell you there what they think of Michael Behe,
>
>
>Thank you, Jan :-)
>
>(Please don't mess with selected newsgroups though)
>
Thanks a bunch, Jan. :-(
>
-- 

Bob C.

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
 the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

- Isaac Asimov

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#180458

From"Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1>
Date2025-02-25 09:10 +0000
Message-ID<20250225091038.fa89bf49cd30d77d753d46aa@127.0.0.1>
In reply to#180457
On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 17:13:05 -0700
Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> wrote:

> On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 11:36:09 +0000, the following appeared
> in talk.origins, posted by David <David@home.today>:
> 
> >On 25/02/2024 18:18, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >> David B. <bdb@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> >> [talk.origins added]
> >> 
> >>> "Secrets of the Cell with Michael Behe"
> >>>
> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw94qm4qdn8
> >>>
> >>> The video is about half an hour long. I found the content absolutely
> >>> fascinating.
> >>>
> >>> No longer do I believe in Darwin's Theory of Evolution!
> >> 

Darwin was a Bad Boy who messed up Paley's watch.

> >> Good for you!
> >> 
> >>> If you take the time out to watch this video presentation, I'd be really
> >>> interested to learn what YOU think about what you've seen and heard.
> >> 
> >> May I point you to to the newsgroup   talk.origins  ?
> >> They are badly in need of fresh creationists there.
> >> [Fto: set]
> >> 
> >> They'll gladly tell you there what they think of Michael Behe,
> >

Perps & Rubes.


-- 
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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#180459

FromDavid <David@home.today>
Date2025-02-25 10:53 +0000
Message-ID<m25lpkFjptpU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#180458
On 25/02/2025 09:10, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 17:13:05 -0700
> Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 11:36:09 +0000, the following appeared
>> in talk.origins, posted by David <David@home.today>:
>>
>>> On 25/02/2024 18:18, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>> David B. <bdb@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>> [talk.origins added]
>>>>
>>>>> "Secrets of the Cell with Michael Behe"
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw94qm4qdn8
>>>>>
>>>>> The video is about half an hour long. I found the content absolutely
>>>>> fascinating.
>>>>>
>>>>> No longer do I believe in Darwin's Theory of Evolution!
>>>>
> 
> Darwin was a Bad Boy who messed up Paley's watch.

He did!

Watch here (pun intended!) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UsyZM0w8WM

>>>> Good for you!
>>>>
>>>>> If you take the time out to watch this video presentation, I'd be really
>>>>> interested to learn what YOU think about what you've seen and heard.
>>>>
>>>> May I point you to to the newsgroup   talk.origins  ?
>>>> They are badly in need of fresh creationists there.
>>>> [Fto: set]
>>>>
>>>> They'll gladly tell you there what they think of Michael Behe,
>>>
> 
> Perps & Rubes.

"Perps & Rubes" sounds like it could be a reference to "perpetrators" 
(perps) and "rubes" (naïve or easily deceived individuals). It could be 
used in the context of a story, situation, or slang involving tricksters 
and their victims. Were you referring to a specific context or phrase? 
Let me know if you meant something else!

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#180461

From"Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1>
Date2025-02-25 14:14 +0000
Message-ID<20250225141452.f9e5d5e6d15916d918f6c343@127.0.0.1>
In reply to#180459
On Tue, 25 Feb 2025 10:53:40 +0000
David <David@home.today> wrote:

> On 25/02/2025 09:10, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> > On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 17:13:05 -0700
> > Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> wrote:
> > 
> >> On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 11:36:09 +0000, the following appeared
> >> in talk.origins, posted by David <David@home.today>:
> >>
> >>> On 25/02/2024 18:18, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >>>> David B. <bdb@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> >>>> [talk.origins added]
> >>>>
> >>>>> "Secrets of the Cell with Michael Behe"
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw94qm4qdn8
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The video is about half an hour long. I found the content absolutely
> >>>>> fascinating.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> No longer do I believe in Darwin's Theory of Evolution!
> >>>>
> > 
> > Darwin was a Bad Boy who messed up Paley's watch.
> 
> He did!
> 
> Watch here (pun intended!) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UsyZM0w8WM
> 
> >>>> Good for you!
> >>>>
> >>>>> If you take the time out to watch this video presentation, I'd be really
> >>>>> interested to learn what YOU think about what you've seen and heard.
> >>>>
> >>>> May I point you to to the newsgroup   talk.origins  ?
> >>>> They are badly in need of fresh creationists there.
> >>>> [Fto: set]
> >>>>
> >>>> They'll gladly tell you there what they think of Michael Behe,
> >>>
> > 
> > Perps & Rubes.

I was just summarising.
> 
> "Perps & Rubes" sounds like it could be a reference to "perpetrators" 
> (perps) and "rubes" (naïve or easily deceived individuals). It could be 
> used in the context of a story, situation, or slang involving tricksters 
> and their victims. Were you referring to a specific context or phrase? 
> Let me know if you meant something else!
> 
Is this an AI bot?

-- 
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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#180465

FromDavid <David.is@home.today>
Date2025-02-25 19:56 +0000
Message-ID<m26ljmFodc6U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#180461
On 25/02/2025 14:14, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Feb 2025 10:53:40 +0000
> David <David@home.today> wrote:
> 
>> On 25/02/2025 09:10, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
>>> On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 17:13:05 -0700
>>> Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 11:36:09 +0000, the following appeared
>>>> in talk.origins, posted by David <David@home.today>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 25/02/2024 18:18, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>> David B. <bdb@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>>>> [talk.origins added]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Secrets of the Cell with Michael Behe"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw94qm4qdn8
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The video is about half an hour long. I found the content absolutely
>>>>>>> fascinating.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No longer do I believe in Darwin's Theory of Evolution!
>>>>>>
>>>
>>> Darwin was a Bad Boy who messed up Paley's watch.
>>
>> He did!
>>
>> Watch here (pun intended!) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UsyZM0w8WM

*DID you watch*?

>>>>>> Good for you!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you take the time out to watch this video presentation, I'd be really
>>>>>>> interested to learn what YOU think about what you've seen and heard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> May I point you to to the newsgroup   talk.origins  ?
>>>>>> They are badly in need of fresh creationists there.
>>>>>> [Fto: set]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They'll gladly tell you there what they think of Michael Behe,
>>>>>
>>>
>>> Perps & Rubes.
> 
> I was just summarising.

OK. It wasn't clear to me.

>> "Perps & Rubes" sounds like it could be a reference to "perpetrators"
>> (perps) and "rubes" (naïve or easily deceived individuals). It could be
>> used in the context of a story, situation, or slang involving tricksters
>> and their victims. Were you referring to a specific context or phrase?
>> Let me know if you meant something else!
>>
> Is this an AI bot?

It was from ChatGPT - an excellent resource - now working in conjunction
with Apple. https://www.apple.com/uk/apple-intelligence/

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#180466

FromBob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off>
Date2025-02-25 09:40 -0700
Message-ID<jhsrrjde2kl4lp2td1817ak1v0e3f0copf@4ax.com>
In reply to#180461
On Tue, 25 Feb 2025 14:14:52 +0000, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by "Kerr-Mudd, John"
<admin@127.0.0.1>:

>On Tue, 25 Feb 2025 10:53:40 +0000
>David <David@home.today> wrote:
>
>> On 25/02/2025 09:10, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
>> > On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 17:13:05 -0700
>> > Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> wrote:
>> > 
>> >> On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 11:36:09 +0000, the following appeared
>> >> in talk.origins, posted by David <David@home.today>:
>> >>
>> >>> On 25/02/2024 18:18, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>> >>>> David B. <bdb@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>> >>>> [talk.origins added]
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> "Secrets of the Cell with Michael Behe"
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw94qm4qdn8
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> The video is about half an hour long. I found the content absolutely
>> >>>>> fascinating.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> No longer do I believe in Darwin's Theory of Evolution!
>> >>>>
>> > 
>> > Darwin was a Bad Boy who messed up Paley's watch.
>> 
>> He did!
>> 
>> Watch here (pun intended!) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UsyZM0w8WM
>> 
>> >>>> Good for you!
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> If you take the time out to watch this video presentation, I'd be really
>> >>>>> interested to learn what YOU think about what you've seen and heard.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> May I point you to to the newsgroup   talk.origins  ?
>> >>>> They are badly in need of fresh creationists there.
>> >>>> [Fto: set]
>> >>>>
>> >>>> They'll gladly tell you there what they think of Michael Behe,
>> >>>
>> > 
>> > Perps & Rubes.
>
>I was just summarising.
>> 
>> "Perps & Rubes" sounds like it could be a reference to "perpetrators" 
>> (perps) and "rubes" (naïve or easily deceived individuals). It could be 
>> used in the context of a story, situation, or slang involving tricksters 
>> and their victims. Were you referring to a specific context or phrase? 
>> Let me know if you meant something else!
>> 
>Is this an AI bot?
>
Unless a new bot self-identifies as David Dalton (admittedly
not beyond possibility, self-identification being the "new
thing"), that would be a "no".
>
-- 

Bob C.

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
 the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

- Isaac Asimov

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#180468

FromFromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org>
Date2025-02-25 16:52 -0500
Message-ID<vple2v$26o45$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#180461
on 2/25/2025, Kerr-Mudd, John supposed :
> On Tue, 25 Feb 2025 10:53:40 +0000
> David <David@home.today> wrote:
>
>> On 25/02/2025 09:10, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
>>> On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 17:13:05 -0700
>>> Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 11:36:09 +0000, the following appeared
>>>> in talk.origins, posted by David <David@home.today>:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 25/02/2024 18:18, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>> David B. <bdb@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>>>> [talk.origins added]
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> "Secrets of the Cell with Michael Behe"
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw94qm4qdn8
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The video is about half an hour long. I found the content absolutely
>>>>>>> fascinating.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> No longer do I believe in Darwin's Theory of Evolution!
>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Darwin was a Bad Boy who messed up Paley's watch.
>> 
>> He did!
>> 
>> Watch here (pun intended!) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UsyZM0w8WM
>> 
>>>>>> Good for you!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If you take the time out to watch this video presentation, I'd be 
>>>>>>> really interested to learn what YOU think about what you've seen and 
>>>>>>> heard.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> May I point you to to the newsgroup   talk.origins  ?
>>>>>> They are badly in need of fresh creationists there.
>>>>>> [Fto: set]
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> They'll gladly tell you there what they think of Michael Behe,
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Perps & Rubes.
>
> I was just summarising.
>> 
>> "Perps & Rubes" sounds like it could be a reference to "perpetrators" 
>> (perps) and "rubes" (naïve or easily deceived individuals). It could be 
>> used in the context of a story, situation, or slang involving tricksters 
>> and their victims. Were you referring to a specific context or phrase? 
>> Let me know if you meant something else!
>> 
> Is this an AI bot?

Ah, you recognized the accent. :)

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#180469

FromDavid <David.is@home.today>
Date2025-02-25 22:53 +0000
Message-ID<m26vv2Fpdq2U5@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#180468
On 25/02/2025 21:52, FromTheRafters wrote:
> Ah, you recognized the accent. 🙂

//That’s a fantastic car to have driven — FromTheRafters must have
turned a lot of heads with it! Classic muscle with a touch of luxury.
Did he ever share any stories about cruising around in it?//

Do tell! ;-)

-- 
David

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#180462

FromRonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>
Date2025-02-25 08:21 -0600
Message-ID<vpkjkf$214sj$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#180458
On 2/25/2025 3:10 AM, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 17:13:05 -0700
> Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 11:36:09 +0000, the following appeared
>> in talk.origins, posted by David <David@home.today>:
>>
>>> On 25/02/2024 18:18, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>> David B. <bdb@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>> [talk.origins added]
>>>>
>>>>> "Secrets of the Cell with Michael Behe"
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw94qm4qdn8
>>>>>
>>>>> The video is about half an hour long. I found the content absolutely
>>>>> fascinating.
>>>>>
>>>>> No longer do I believe in Darwin's Theory of Evolution!
>>>>
> 
> Darwin was a Bad Boy who messed up Paley's watch.

Denton claims that creationists like Behe and Phillip Johnson 
misinterpreted his first book as being anti-evolution.  Johnson may have 
misinterpreted the first book, but Behe has pretty much always used the 
stupidity to only fool the rubes into thinking that Denton's arguments 
were anti-evolution.  Behe has enough on the ball to understand that 
biological evolution is a fact of nature, and has used the obfuscation 
and denial to mix up the rube's understanding of the difference between 
biological evolution and the "Darwinism" that Behe claims to have issues 
with.

The example that likely most exemplifies the Beheian stupidity is what 
he did to the IDiotic whale fossil gap argument that Sternberg had been 
working on for over 7 years at the Discovery Institute.  All those years 
of effort were destroyed when Behe came up with his devolution 
stupidity.  Behe pointed out that evolution by breaking genes and making 
them non functional was a common occurrence in producing something that 
could be selected for if it occurred in an environment that would favor 
such a deleterious mutation.  There is no doubt that gene loss has 
occurred among extant lineages for billions of years, but all extant 
lineages have survived that loss of genes and have evolved into what 
they are today.

Behe pointed out the obvious that if such a gene loss had selective 
advantage in the existing environment that such events would be selected 
for as they likely had for billions of years.  It is difficult to 
believe, but Behe's whale argument was that whales were an example of 
Darwinian evolution that would have been expected to have selected for 
all the genes that whales lost as they adapted to an aquatic 
environment.  As crazy as it was Behe claimed that whales had evolved 
without designer intervention because Behe's designer would not have 
designed whales the way in which they had actually evolved.  He really 
claimed that the type of evolution that had created whales was the type 
of evolution expected to be due to Darwinian mechanism.  Years of 
dishonest whale fossil gap effort by Sternberg were flushed down the 
toilet with one stupid article.

When first confronted by the Beheian stupidity Nyikos and Glenn, at 
first, tried to deny what Behe had written, but there could be no 
misinterpretation.  Behe specifically stated that evolution by breaking 
things would be expected to be selected for if they adapted an organism 
to their environment, and that Darwininan mechanisms would be expected 
to exploit such changes.  He pointed out all the genes that had been 
lost, and claimed that what had occurred was not evolution, but 
devolution.  Nyikos eventually accepted that Behe was claiming that 
whales had evolved by natural mechanisms, but that it was a bad type of 
evolution.  No matter if what created whales was evolution or 
devolution, whales still evolved by natural mechanisms.  Glenn is likely 
still in denial.

Behe understands that life on earth is the result of biological 
evolution.  He just wants his designer to be responsible for some of 
that evolution (his favorite example is the bacterial flagellum). 
Denton also accepts that biological evolution is a fact of nature, but 
he no longer cares if his designer had anything to do with it except in 
creating a universe where biological evolution could happen.

Ron Okimoto
> 
>>>> Good for you!
>>>>
>>>>> If you take the time out to watch this video presentation, I'd be really
>>>>> interested to learn what YOU think about what you've seen and heard.
>>>>
>>>> May I point you to to the newsgroup   talk.origins  ?
>>>> They are badly in need of fresh creationists there.
>>>> [Fto: set]
>>>>
>>>> They'll gladly tell you there what they think of Michael Behe,
>>>
> 
> Perps & Rubes.
> 
> 

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#180467

FromBob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off>
Date2025-02-25 09:37 -0700
Message-ID<tbsrrjp0m21q10sbtin9kltufali31sq96@4ax.com>
In reply to#180458
On Tue, 25 Feb 2025 09:10:38 +0000, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by "Kerr-Mudd, John"
<admin@127.0.0.1>:

A correction: I wrote nothing of the below content.
Just sayin'...

>On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 17:13:05 -0700
>Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 11:36:09 +0000, the following appeared
>> in talk.origins, posted by David <David@home.today>:
>> 
>> >On 25/02/2024 18:18, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>> >> David B. <bdb@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>> >> [talk.origins added]
>> >> 
>> >>> "Secrets of the Cell with Michael Behe"
>> >>>
>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw94qm4qdn8
>> >>>
>> >>> The video is about half an hour long. I found the content absolutely
>> >>> fascinating.
>> >>>
>> >>> No longer do I believe in Darwin's Theory of Evolution!
>> >> 
>
>Darwin was a Bad Boy who messed up Paley's watch.
>
>> >> Good for you!
>> >> 
>> >>> If you take the time out to watch this video presentation, I'd be really
>> >>> interested to learn what YOU think about what you've seen and heard.
>> >> 
>> >> May I point you to to the newsgroup   talk.origins  ?
>> >> They are badly in need of fresh creationists there.
>> >> [Fto: set]
>> >> 
>> >> They'll gladly tell you there what they think of Michael Behe,
>> >
>
>Perps & Rubes.
-- 

Bob C.

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
 the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

- Isaac Asimov

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