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| Started by | David B. <bdb@nomail.afraid.org> |
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| First post | 2024-02-25 11:26 +0000 |
| Last post | 2025-02-25 09:37 -0700 |
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Belief - I'd like to share this item with you. David B. <bdb@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-02-25 11:26 +0000
Re: Belief - I'd like to share this item with you. T i m <eternal@spaced.me.uk> - 2024-02-25 12:17 +0000
Re: Belief - I'd like to share this item with you. Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> - 2024-02-25 14:08 +0000
Re: Belief - I'd like to share this item with you. Frederick <fred@ypical.demon.invalid> - 2024-02-25 16:43 +0000
Re: Belief - I'd like to share this item with you. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2024-02-25 19:18 +0100
Re: Belief - I'd like to share this item with you. David <David@home.today> - 2025-02-24 11:36 +0000
Re: Belief - I'd like to share this item with you. Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> - 2025-02-24 17:13 -0700
Re: Belief - I'd like to share this item with you. "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-02-25 09:10 +0000
Re: Belief - I'd like to share this item with you. David <David@home.today> - 2025-02-25 10:53 +0000
Re: Belief - I'd like to share this item with you. "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-02-25 14:14 +0000
Re: Belief - I'd like to share this item with you. David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-25 19:56 +0000
Re: Belief - I'd like to share this item with you. Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> - 2025-02-25 09:40 -0700
Re: Belief - I'd like to share this item with you. FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-02-25 16:52 -0500
Re: Belief - I'd like to share this item with you. David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-25 22:53 +0000
Re: Belief - I'd like to share this item with you. RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com> - 2025-02-25 08:21 -0600
Re: Belief - I'd like to share this item with you. Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> - 2025-02-25 09:37 -0700
| From | David B. <bdb@nomail.afraid.org> |
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| Date | 2024-02-25 11:26 +0000 |
| Subject | Belief - I'd like to share this item with you. |
| Message-ID | <l40megFm6p4U1@mid.individual.net> |
"Secrets of the Cell with Michael Behe" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw94qm4qdn8 The video is about half an hour long. I found the content absolutely fascinating. No longer do I believe in Darwin's Theory of Evolution! If you take the time out to watch this video presentation, I'd be really interested to learn what YOU think about what you've seen and heard. Sincerely, -- David
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| From | T i m <eternal@spaced.me.uk> |
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| Date | 2024-02-25 12:17 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <urfb41$1rdaq$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #176453 |
On 25/02/2024 11:26, David B. wrote: > "Secrets of the Cell with Michael Behe" > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw94qm4qdn8 > > The video is about half an hour long. I found the content absolutely > fascinating. Isn't cognitive bias a wonderful thing. > > No longer do I believe in Darwin's Theory of Evolution! I'm not sure I ever thought about what any one person thought about such things, let alone Darwins *Theory*. However, you believe whatever best fits your cognitive bias. And it doesn't actually matter what Darwin suggested (to you), all that matters (to you) is that you can better *believe* it was all done by your magical bearded cloud goD. > > If you take the time out to watch this video presentation, I took about 60 seconds and that was enough, thanks. > I'd be really > interested to learn what YOU think about what you've seen and heard. That you are still a nutter! > > Sincerely, Yes, sincerely. ;-) Cheers, T i m
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| From | Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-02-25 14:08 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <urfhkg$j8vi$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #176454 |
On 25 Feb 2024 at 12:17:03 GMT, "T i m" <eternal@spaced.me.uk> wrote: > On 25/02/2024 11:26, David B. wrote: >> "Secrets of the Cell with Michael Behe" >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw94qm4qdn8 >> >> The video is about half an hour long. I found the content absolutely >> fascinating. > > Isn't cognitive bias a wonderful thing. >> >> No longer do I believe in Darwin's Theory of Evolution! > > I'm not sure I ever thought about what any one person thought about such > things, let alone Darwins *Theory*. > > However, you believe whatever best fits your cognitive bias. And it > doesn't actually matter what Darwin suggested (to you), all that matters > (to you) is that you can better *believe* it was all done by your > magical bearded cloud goD. >> >> If you take the time out to watch this video presentation, > > I took about 60 seconds and that was enough, thanks. > >> I'd be really >> interested to learn what YOU think about what you've seen and heard. > > That you are still a nutter! And you too are a f****** nutter to get involved with such a devious c*** of a troil. Welcome to my kill file list. -- Cheers, Alan
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| From | Frederick <fred@ypical.demon.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-02-25 16:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mpro.s9f7sl002wuxu019u.fred@ypical.demon.invalid> |
| In reply to | #176457 |
In message <urfhkg$j8vi$1@solani.org>
Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
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> And you too are a f****** nutter to get involved with such a devious
> c*** of a troil. Welcome to my kill file list.
>
Please don't remove newsgroups - they're useful for filters. I was unaware
of this thread 'til you posted.
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| From | nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) |
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| Date | 2024-02-25 19:18 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1qphz7a.1gh3x0ws6kpdeN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> |
| In reply to | #176453 |
David B. <bdb@nomail.afraid.org> wrote: [talk.origins added] > "Secrets of the Cell with Michael Behe" > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw94qm4qdn8 > > The video is about half an hour long. I found the content absolutely > fascinating. > > No longer do I believe in Darwin's Theory of Evolution! Good for you! > If you take the time out to watch this video presentation, I'd be really > interested to learn what YOU think about what you've seen and heard. May I point you to to the newsgroup talk.origins ? They are badly in need of fresh creationists there. [Fto: set] They'll gladly tell you there what they think of Michael Behe, Jan
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| From | David <David@home.today> |
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| Date | 2025-02-24 11:36 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m233t9F7va0U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #176466 |
On 25/02/2024 18:18, J. J. Lodder wrote: > David B. <bdb@nomail.afraid.org> wrote: > [talk.origins added] > >> "Secrets of the Cell with Michael Behe" >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw94qm4qdn8 >> >> The video is about half an hour long. I found the content absolutely >> fascinating. >> >> No longer do I believe in Darwin's Theory of Evolution! > > Good for you! > >> If you take the time out to watch this video presentation, I'd be really >> interested to learn what YOU think about what you've seen and heard. > > May I point you to to the newsgroup talk.origins ? > They are badly in need of fresh creationists there. > [Fto: set] > > They'll gladly tell you there what they think of Michael Behe, Thank you, Jan :-) (Please don't mess with selected newsgroups though)
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| From | Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> |
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| Date | 2025-02-24 17:13 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <pn2qrj5qcgd536fudgc31tmjqstkhtp1uo@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #180455 |
On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 11:36:09 +0000, the following appeared in talk.origins, posted by David <David@home.today>: >On 25/02/2024 18:18, J. J. Lodder wrote: >> David B. <bdb@nomail.afraid.org> wrote: >> [talk.origins added] >> >>> "Secrets of the Cell with Michael Behe" >>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw94qm4qdn8 >>> >>> The video is about half an hour long. I found the content absolutely >>> fascinating. >>> >>> No longer do I believe in Darwin's Theory of Evolution! >> >> Good for you! >> >>> If you take the time out to watch this video presentation, I'd be really >>> interested to learn what YOU think about what you've seen and heard. >> >> May I point you to to the newsgroup talk.origins ? >> They are badly in need of fresh creationists there. >> [Fto: set] >> >> They'll gladly tell you there what they think of Michael Behe, > > >Thank you, Jan :-) > >(Please don't mess with selected newsgroups though) > Thanks a bunch, Jan. :-( > -- Bob C. "The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'" - Isaac Asimov
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| From | "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> |
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| Date | 2025-02-25 09:10 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20250225091038.fa89bf49cd30d77d753d46aa@127.0.0.1> |
| In reply to | #180457 |
On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 17:13:05 -0700 Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> wrote: > On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 11:36:09 +0000, the following appeared > in talk.origins, posted by David <David@home.today>: > > >On 25/02/2024 18:18, J. J. Lodder wrote: > >> David B. <bdb@nomail.afraid.org> wrote: > >> [talk.origins added] > >> > >>> "Secrets of the Cell with Michael Behe" > >>> > >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw94qm4qdn8 > >>> > >>> The video is about half an hour long. I found the content absolutely > >>> fascinating. > >>> > >>> No longer do I believe in Darwin's Theory of Evolution! > >> Darwin was a Bad Boy who messed up Paley's watch. > >> Good for you! > >> > >>> If you take the time out to watch this video presentation, I'd be really > >>> interested to learn what YOU think about what you've seen and heard. > >> > >> May I point you to to the newsgroup talk.origins ? > >> They are badly in need of fresh creationists there. > >> [Fto: set] > >> > >> They'll gladly tell you there what they think of Michael Behe, > > Perps & Rubes. -- Bah, and indeed Humbug.
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| From | David <David@home.today> |
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| Date | 2025-02-25 10:53 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m25lpkFjptpU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #180458 |
On 25/02/2025 09:10, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote: > On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 17:13:05 -0700 > Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> wrote: > >> On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 11:36:09 +0000, the following appeared >> in talk.origins, posted by David <David@home.today>: >> >>> On 25/02/2024 18:18, J. J. Lodder wrote: >>>> David B. <bdb@nomail.afraid.org> wrote: >>>> [talk.origins added] >>>> >>>>> "Secrets of the Cell with Michael Behe" >>>>> >>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw94qm4qdn8 >>>>> >>>>> The video is about half an hour long. I found the content absolutely >>>>> fascinating. >>>>> >>>>> No longer do I believe in Darwin's Theory of Evolution! >>>> > > Darwin was a Bad Boy who messed up Paley's watch. He did! Watch here (pun intended!) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UsyZM0w8WM >>>> Good for you! >>>> >>>>> If you take the time out to watch this video presentation, I'd be really >>>>> interested to learn what YOU think about what you've seen and heard. >>>> >>>> May I point you to to the newsgroup talk.origins ? >>>> They are badly in need of fresh creationists there. >>>> [Fto: set] >>>> >>>> They'll gladly tell you there what they think of Michael Behe, >>> > > Perps & Rubes. "Perps & Rubes" sounds like it could be a reference to "perpetrators" (perps) and "rubes" (naïve or easily deceived individuals). It could be used in the context of a story, situation, or slang involving tricksters and their victims. Were you referring to a specific context or phrase? Let me know if you meant something else!
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| From | "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> |
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| Date | 2025-02-25 14:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20250225141452.f9e5d5e6d15916d918f6c343@127.0.0.1> |
| In reply to | #180459 |
On Tue, 25 Feb 2025 10:53:40 +0000 David <David@home.today> wrote: > On 25/02/2025 09:10, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote: > > On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 17:13:05 -0700 > > Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> wrote: > > > >> On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 11:36:09 +0000, the following appeared > >> in talk.origins, posted by David <David@home.today>: > >> > >>> On 25/02/2024 18:18, J. J. Lodder wrote: > >>>> David B. <bdb@nomail.afraid.org> wrote: > >>>> [talk.origins added] > >>>> > >>>>> "Secrets of the Cell with Michael Behe" > >>>>> > >>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw94qm4qdn8 > >>>>> > >>>>> The video is about half an hour long. I found the content absolutely > >>>>> fascinating. > >>>>> > >>>>> No longer do I believe in Darwin's Theory of Evolution! > >>>> > > > > Darwin was a Bad Boy who messed up Paley's watch. > > He did! > > Watch here (pun intended!) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UsyZM0w8WM > > >>>> Good for you! > >>>> > >>>>> If you take the time out to watch this video presentation, I'd be really > >>>>> interested to learn what YOU think about what you've seen and heard. > >>>> > >>>> May I point you to to the newsgroup talk.origins ? > >>>> They are badly in need of fresh creationists there. > >>>> [Fto: set] > >>>> > >>>> They'll gladly tell you there what they think of Michael Behe, > >>> > > > > Perps & Rubes. I was just summarising. > > "Perps & Rubes" sounds like it could be a reference to "perpetrators" > (perps) and "rubes" (naïve or easily deceived individuals). It could be > used in the context of a story, situation, or slang involving tricksters > and their victims. Were you referring to a specific context or phrase? > Let me know if you meant something else! > Is this an AI bot? -- Bah, and indeed Humbug.
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| From | David <David.is@home.today> |
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| Date | 2025-02-25 19:56 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m26ljmFodc6U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #180461 |
On 25/02/2025 14:14, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote: > On Tue, 25 Feb 2025 10:53:40 +0000 > David <David@home.today> wrote: > >> On 25/02/2025 09:10, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote: >>> On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 17:13:05 -0700 >>> Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> wrote: >>> >>>> On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 11:36:09 +0000, the following appeared >>>> in talk.origins, posted by David <David@home.today>: >>>> >>>>> On 25/02/2024 18:18, J. J. Lodder wrote: >>>>>> David B. <bdb@nomail.afraid.org> wrote: >>>>>> [talk.origins added] >>>>>> >>>>>>> "Secrets of the Cell with Michael Behe" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw94qm4qdn8 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The video is about half an hour long. I found the content absolutely >>>>>>> fascinating. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No longer do I believe in Darwin's Theory of Evolution! >>>>>> >>> >>> Darwin was a Bad Boy who messed up Paley's watch. >> >> He did! >> >> Watch here (pun intended!) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UsyZM0w8WM *DID you watch*? >>>>>> Good for you! >>>>>> >>>>>>> If you take the time out to watch this video presentation, I'd be really >>>>>>> interested to learn what YOU think about what you've seen and heard. >>>>>> >>>>>> May I point you to to the newsgroup talk.origins ? >>>>>> They are badly in need of fresh creationists there. >>>>>> [Fto: set] >>>>>> >>>>>> They'll gladly tell you there what they think of Michael Behe, >>>>> >>> >>> Perps & Rubes. > > I was just summarising. OK. It wasn't clear to me. >> "Perps & Rubes" sounds like it could be a reference to "perpetrators" >> (perps) and "rubes" (naïve or easily deceived individuals). It could be >> used in the context of a story, situation, or slang involving tricksters >> and their victims. Were you referring to a specific context or phrase? >> Let me know if you meant something else! >> > Is this an AI bot? It was from ChatGPT - an excellent resource - now working in conjunction with Apple. https://www.apple.com/uk/apple-intelligence/
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| From | Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> |
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| Date | 2025-02-25 09:40 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <jhsrrjde2kl4lp2td1817ak1v0e3f0copf@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #180461 |
On Tue, 25 Feb 2025 14:14:52 +0000, the following appeared in talk.origins, posted by "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1>: >On Tue, 25 Feb 2025 10:53:40 +0000 >David <David@home.today> wrote: > >> On 25/02/2025 09:10, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote: >> > On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 17:13:05 -0700 >> > Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> wrote: >> > >> >> On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 11:36:09 +0000, the following appeared >> >> in talk.origins, posted by David <David@home.today>: >> >> >> >>> On 25/02/2024 18:18, J. J. Lodder wrote: >> >>>> David B. <bdb@nomail.afraid.org> wrote: >> >>>> [talk.origins added] >> >>>> >> >>>>> "Secrets of the Cell with Michael Behe" >> >>>>> >> >>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw94qm4qdn8 >> >>>>> >> >>>>> The video is about half an hour long. I found the content absolutely >> >>>>> fascinating. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> No longer do I believe in Darwin's Theory of Evolution! >> >>>> >> > >> > Darwin was a Bad Boy who messed up Paley's watch. >> >> He did! >> >> Watch here (pun intended!) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UsyZM0w8WM >> >> >>>> Good for you! >> >>>> >> >>>>> If you take the time out to watch this video presentation, I'd be really >> >>>>> interested to learn what YOU think about what you've seen and heard. >> >>>> >> >>>> May I point you to to the newsgroup talk.origins ? >> >>>> They are badly in need of fresh creationists there. >> >>>> [Fto: set] >> >>>> >> >>>> They'll gladly tell you there what they think of Michael Behe, >> >>> >> > >> > Perps & Rubes. > >I was just summarising. >> >> "Perps & Rubes" sounds like it could be a reference to "perpetrators" >> (perps) and "rubes" (naïve or easily deceived individuals). It could be >> used in the context of a story, situation, or slang involving tricksters >> and their victims. Were you referring to a specific context or phrase? >> Let me know if you meant something else! >> >Is this an AI bot? > Unless a new bot self-identifies as David Dalton (admittedly not beyond possibility, self-identification being the "new thing"), that would be a "no". > -- Bob C. "The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'" - Isaac Asimov
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| From | FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> |
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| Date | 2025-02-25 16:52 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vple2v$26o45$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #180461 |
on 2/25/2025, Kerr-Mudd, John supposed : > On Tue, 25 Feb 2025 10:53:40 +0000 > David <David@home.today> wrote: > >> On 25/02/2025 09:10, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote: >>> On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 17:13:05 -0700 >>> Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> wrote: >>> >>>> On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 11:36:09 +0000, the following appeared >>>> in talk.origins, posted by David <David@home.today>: >>>> >>>>> On 25/02/2024 18:18, J. J. Lodder wrote: >>>>>> David B. <bdb@nomail.afraid.org> wrote: >>>>>> [talk.origins added] >>>>>> >>>>>>> "Secrets of the Cell with Michael Behe" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw94qm4qdn8 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The video is about half an hour long. I found the content absolutely >>>>>>> fascinating. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No longer do I believe in Darwin's Theory of Evolution! >>>>>> >>> >>> Darwin was a Bad Boy who messed up Paley's watch. >> >> He did! >> >> Watch here (pun intended!) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UsyZM0w8WM >> >>>>>> Good for you! >>>>>> >>>>>>> If you take the time out to watch this video presentation, I'd be >>>>>>> really interested to learn what YOU think about what you've seen and >>>>>>> heard. >>>>>> >>>>>> May I point you to to the newsgroup talk.origins ? >>>>>> They are badly in need of fresh creationists there. >>>>>> [Fto: set] >>>>>> >>>>>> They'll gladly tell you there what they think of Michael Behe, >>>>> >>> >>> Perps & Rubes. > > I was just summarising. >> >> "Perps & Rubes" sounds like it could be a reference to "perpetrators" >> (perps) and "rubes" (naïve or easily deceived individuals). It could be >> used in the context of a story, situation, or slang involving tricksters >> and their victims. Were you referring to a specific context or phrase? >> Let me know if you meant something else! >> > Is this an AI bot? Ah, you recognized the accent. :)
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| From | David <David.is@home.today> |
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| Date | 2025-02-25 22:53 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m26vv2Fpdq2U5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #180468 |
On 25/02/2025 21:52, FromTheRafters wrote: > Ah, you recognized the accent. 🙂 //That’s a fantastic car to have driven — FromTheRafters must have turned a lot of heads with it! Classic muscle with a touch of luxury. Did he ever share any stories about cruising around in it?// Do tell! ;-) -- David
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| From | RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-02-25 08:21 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <vpkjkf$214sj$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #180458 |
On 2/25/2025 3:10 AM, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote: > On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 17:13:05 -0700 > Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> wrote: > >> On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 11:36:09 +0000, the following appeared >> in talk.origins, posted by David <David@home.today>: >> >>> On 25/02/2024 18:18, J. J. Lodder wrote: >>>> David B. <bdb@nomail.afraid.org> wrote: >>>> [talk.origins added] >>>> >>>>> "Secrets of the Cell with Michael Behe" >>>>> >>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw94qm4qdn8 >>>>> >>>>> The video is about half an hour long. I found the content absolutely >>>>> fascinating. >>>>> >>>>> No longer do I believe in Darwin's Theory of Evolution! >>>> > > Darwin was a Bad Boy who messed up Paley's watch. Denton claims that creationists like Behe and Phillip Johnson misinterpreted his first book as being anti-evolution. Johnson may have misinterpreted the first book, but Behe has pretty much always used the stupidity to only fool the rubes into thinking that Denton's arguments were anti-evolution. Behe has enough on the ball to understand that biological evolution is a fact of nature, and has used the obfuscation and denial to mix up the rube's understanding of the difference between biological evolution and the "Darwinism" that Behe claims to have issues with. The example that likely most exemplifies the Beheian stupidity is what he did to the IDiotic whale fossil gap argument that Sternberg had been working on for over 7 years at the Discovery Institute. All those years of effort were destroyed when Behe came up with his devolution stupidity. Behe pointed out that evolution by breaking genes and making them non functional was a common occurrence in producing something that could be selected for if it occurred in an environment that would favor such a deleterious mutation. There is no doubt that gene loss has occurred among extant lineages for billions of years, but all extant lineages have survived that loss of genes and have evolved into what they are today. Behe pointed out the obvious that if such a gene loss had selective advantage in the existing environment that such events would be selected for as they likely had for billions of years. It is difficult to believe, but Behe's whale argument was that whales were an example of Darwinian evolution that would have been expected to have selected for all the genes that whales lost as they adapted to an aquatic environment. As crazy as it was Behe claimed that whales had evolved without designer intervention because Behe's designer would not have designed whales the way in which they had actually evolved. He really claimed that the type of evolution that had created whales was the type of evolution expected to be due to Darwinian mechanism. Years of dishonest whale fossil gap effort by Sternberg were flushed down the toilet with one stupid article. When first confronted by the Beheian stupidity Nyikos and Glenn, at first, tried to deny what Behe had written, but there could be no misinterpretation. Behe specifically stated that evolution by breaking things would be expected to be selected for if they adapted an organism to their environment, and that Darwininan mechanisms would be expected to exploit such changes. He pointed out all the genes that had been lost, and claimed that what had occurred was not evolution, but devolution. Nyikos eventually accepted that Behe was claiming that whales had evolved by natural mechanisms, but that it was a bad type of evolution. No matter if what created whales was evolution or devolution, whales still evolved by natural mechanisms. Glenn is likely still in denial. Behe understands that life on earth is the result of biological evolution. He just wants his designer to be responsible for some of that evolution (his favorite example is the bacterial flagellum). Denton also accepts that biological evolution is a fact of nature, but he no longer cares if his designer had anything to do with it except in creating a universe where biological evolution could happen. Ron Okimoto > >>>> Good for you! >>>> >>>>> If you take the time out to watch this video presentation, I'd be really >>>>> interested to learn what YOU think about what you've seen and heard. >>>> >>>> May I point you to to the newsgroup talk.origins ? >>>> They are badly in need of fresh creationists there. >>>> [Fto: set] >>>> >>>> They'll gladly tell you there what they think of Michael Behe, >>> > > Perps & Rubes. > >
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| From | Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> |
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| Date | 2025-02-25 09:37 -0700 |
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On Tue, 25 Feb 2025 09:10:38 +0000, the following appeared in talk.origins, posted by "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1>: A correction: I wrote nothing of the below content. Just sayin'... >On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 17:13:05 -0700 >Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> wrote: > >> On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 11:36:09 +0000, the following appeared >> in talk.origins, posted by David <David@home.today>: >> >> >On 25/02/2024 18:18, J. J. Lodder wrote: >> >> David B. <bdb@nomail.afraid.org> wrote: >> >> [talk.origins added] >> >> >> >>> "Secrets of the Cell with Michael Behe" >> >>> >> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw94qm4qdn8 >> >>> >> >>> The video is about half an hour long. I found the content absolutely >> >>> fascinating. >> >>> >> >>> No longer do I believe in Darwin's Theory of Evolution! >> >> > >Darwin was a Bad Boy who messed up Paley's watch. > >> >> Good for you! >> >> >> >>> If you take the time out to watch this video presentation, I'd be really >> >>> interested to learn what YOU think about what you've seen and heard. >> >> >> >> May I point you to to the newsgroup talk.origins ? >> >> They are badly in need of fresh creationists there. >> >> [Fto: set] >> >> >> >> They'll gladly tell you there what they think of Michael Behe, >> > > >Perps & Rubes. -- Bob C. "The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'" - Isaac Asimov
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