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| Started by | Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> |
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| First post | 2020-07-25 09:55 +0000 |
| Last post | 2020-07-29 06:38 +0000 |
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Homesharing problems, maybe network setup Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2020-07-25 09:55 +0000
Re: Homesharing problems, maybe network setup Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2020-07-25 20:45 +0100
Re: Homesharing problems, maybe network setup Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2020-07-25 20:53 +0000
Re: Homesharing problems, maybe network setup Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2020-07-25 22:29 +0100
Re: Homesharing problems, maybe network setup Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2020-07-25 22:12 +0000
Re: Homesharing problems, maybe network setup Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2020-07-25 22:42 +0000
Re: Homesharing problems, maybe network setup Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2020-07-26 08:05 +0100
Re: Homesharing problems, maybe network setup Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2020-07-26 07:49 +0000
Re: Homesharing problems, maybe network setup Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2020-07-26 10:08 +0100
Re: Homesharing problems, maybe network setup Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2020-07-26 12:07 +0100
Re: Homesharing problems, maybe network setup Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2020-07-26 12:47 +0100
Re: Homesharing problems, maybe network setup Bruce Horrocks <07.013@scorecrow.com> - 2020-07-26 20:43 +0100
Re: Homesharing problems, maybe network setup Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> - 2020-07-26 20:47 +0000
Re: Homesharing problems, maybe network setup Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2020-07-26 20:47 +0000
Re: Homesharing problems, maybe network setup Bruce Horrocks <07.013@scorecrow.com> - 2020-07-26 22:49 +0100
Re: Homesharing problems, maybe network setup Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2020-07-27 10:42 +0100
Re: Homesharing problems, maybe network setup Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2020-07-27 15:00 +0000
Re: Homesharing problems, maybe network setup Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2020-07-27 16:35 +0100
Re: Homesharing problems, maybe network setup Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2020-07-27 16:05 +0000
Re: Homesharing problems, maybe network setup Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2020-07-27 17:32 +0100
Re: Homesharing problems, maybe network setup Bruce Horrocks <07.013@scorecrow.com> - 2020-07-27 22:04 +0100
Re: Homesharing problems, maybe network setup Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2020-07-27 23:10 +0100
Re: Homesharing problems, maybe network setup Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2020-07-28 16:28 +0000
Re: Homesharing problems, maybe network setup Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2020-07-28 16:30 +0000
Re: Homesharing problems, maybe network setup Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2020-07-28 17:59 +0100
Re: Homesharing problems, maybe network setup Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2020-07-28 18:39 +0000
Re: Homesharing problems, maybe network setup Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2020-07-28 12:14 -0700
Re: Homesharing problems, maybe network setup Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2020-07-28 19:23 +0000
Re: Homesharing problems, maybe network setup Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2020-07-28 13:37 -0700
Re: Homesharing problems, maybe network setup Bruce Horrocks <07.013@scorecrow.com> - 2020-07-28 22:30 +0100
Re: Homesharing problems, maybe network setup Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2020-07-28 21:45 +0000
Re: Homesharing problems, maybe network setup Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2020-07-28 15:03 -0700
Re: Homesharing problems, maybe network setup Bernd Froehlich <befr@eaglesoft.de> - 2020-07-29 06:38 +0000
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| From | Bruce Horrocks <07.013@scorecrow.com> |
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| Date | 2020-07-27 22:04 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <66f917fd-a090-4a98-d415-2d4800d1ebd4@scorecrow.com> |
| In reply to | #145891 |
On 27/07/2020 10:42, Graham J wrote: > A much better idea would be to set up routing between the two subnets. Unfortunately not. Bonjour is a variant of mDNS which uses 224.0.0.251 as its multicast address which is non-routable by design[1]. The nearest equivalent would be to use a multicast proxy and the PHO almost certainly can't do that. [1] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multicast_address> -- Bruce Horrocks Surrey England (bruce at scorecrow dot com)
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| From | Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2020-07-27 23:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <rfnjc7$ql0$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #145914 |
Bruce Horrocks wrote: > On 27/07/2020 10:42, Graham J wrote: >> A much better idea would be to set up routing between the two subnets. > > Unfortunately not. Bonjour is a variant of mDNS which uses 224.0.0.251 > as its multicast address which is non-routable by design[1]. The nearest > equivalent would be to use a multicast proxy and the PHO almost > certainly can't do that. > > [1] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multicast_address> But then, the PHO probably can't set up route redirection either. -- Graham J
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| From | Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> |
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| Date | 2020-07-28 16:28 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <rfpjn2$fdb$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #145915 |
Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote: > Bruce Horrocks wrote: >> On 27/07/2020 10:42, Graham J wrote: >>> A much better idea would be to set up routing between the two subnets. >> >> Unfortunately not. Bonjour is a variant of mDNS which uses 224.0.0.251 >> as its multicast address which is non-routable by design[1]. The nearest >> equivalent would be to use a multicast proxy and the PHO almost >> certainly can't do that. >> >> [1] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multicast_address> > > But then, the PHO probably can't set up route redirection either. It’s sorted now anyway, I got an 8 port switch from Amazon, TP-Link hobby for just over £7, plugged it into port 2 on the Mesh box, works a treat, and I can now Home Share just fine (so far!). Cheers. -- Andy H
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| From | Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> |
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| Date | 2020-07-28 16:30 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <rfpjr9$ges$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #145935 |
Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote: > Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote: >> Bruce Horrocks wrote: >>> On 27/07/2020 10:42, Graham J wrote: >>>> A much better idea would be to set up routing between the two subnets. >>> >>> Unfortunately not. Bonjour is a variant of mDNS which uses 224.0.0.251 >>> as its multicast address which is non-routable by design[1]. The nearest >>> equivalent would be to use a multicast proxy and the PHO almost >>> certainly can't do that. >>> >>> [1] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multicast_address> >> >> But then, the PHO probably can't set up route redirection either. > > It’s sorted now anyway, I got an 8 port switch from Amazon, TP-Link hobby > for just over £7, plugged it into port 2 on the Mesh box, works a treat, > and I can now Home Share just fine (so far!). Sigh, I actually miss MacSOUP because it didn’t have a spell checker, sometimes I really dislike the autocorrect feature - that was supposed to be TP-Link ‘jobby’. -- Andy H
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| From | Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2020-07-28 17:59 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <rfplgt$q37$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #145936 |
Andy Hewitt wrote: > Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote: >> Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote: >>> Bruce Horrocks wrote: >>>> On 27/07/2020 10:42, Graham J wrote: >>>>> A much better idea would be to set up routing between the two subnets. >>>> >>>> Unfortunately not. Bonjour is a variant of mDNS which uses 224.0.0.251 >>>> as its multicast address which is non-routable by design[1]. The nearest >>>> equivalent would be to use a multicast proxy and the PHO almost >>>> certainly can't do that. >>>> >>>> [1] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multicast_address> >>> >>> But then, the PHO probably can't set up route redirection either. >> >> It’s sorted now anyway, I got an 8 port switch from Amazon, TP-Link hobby >> for just over £7, plugged it into port 2 on the Mesh box, works a treat, >> and I can now Home Share just fine (so far!). > > Sigh, I actually miss MacSOUP because it didn’t have a spell checker, > sometimes I really dislike the autocorrect feature - that was supposed to > be TP-Link ‘jobby’. Computers are too clever for their own good, eh! -- Graham J
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| From | Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> |
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| Date | 2020-07-28 18:39 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <rfprcj$8oo$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #145937 |
Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote: > Andy Hewitt wrote: >> Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote: >>> Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote: >>>> Bruce Horrocks wrote: >>>>> On 27/07/2020 10:42, Graham J wrote: >>>>>> A much better idea would be to set up routing between the two subnets. >>>>> >>>>> Unfortunately not. Bonjour is a variant of mDNS which uses 224.0.0.251 >>>>> as its multicast address which is non-routable by design[1]. The nearest >>>>> equivalent would be to use a multicast proxy and the PHO almost >>>>> certainly can't do that. >>>>> >>>>> [1] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multicast_address> >>>> >>>> But then, the PHO probably can't set up route redirection either. >>> >>> It’s sorted now anyway, I got an 8 port switch from Amazon, TP-Link hobby >>> for just over £7, plugged it into port 2 on the Mesh box, works a treat, >>> and I can now Home Share just fine (so far!). >> >> Sigh, I actually miss MacSOUP because it didn’t have a spell checker, >> sometimes I really dislike the autocorrect feature - that was supposed to >> be TP-Link ‘jobby’. > > Computers are too clever for their own good, eh! Yup, whoever thought of bloody AI in the first place anyway? ;-) -- Andy H
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| From | Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> |
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| Date | 2020-07-28 12:14 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <0001HW.24D0B0A6023E17A17000055D82CF@news.giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #145938 |
On Jul 28, 2020, Andy Hewitt wrote (in article <rfprcj$8oo$1@dont-email.me>): > Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote: > > Andy Hewitt wrote: > > > Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote: > > > > Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > Bruce Horrocks wrote: > > > > > > On 27/07/2020 10:42, Graham J wrote: > > > > > > > A much better idea would be to set up routing between the two subnets. > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately not. Bonjour is a variant of mDNS which uses 224.0.0.251 > > > > > > as its multicast address which is non-routable by design[1]. The nearest > > > > > > equivalent would be to use a multicast proxy and the PHO almost > > > > > > certainly can't do that. > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multicast_address> > > > > > > > > > > But then, the PHO probably can't set up route redirection either. > > > > > > > > It’s sorted now anyway, I got an 8 port switch from Amazon, TP-Link hobby > > > > for just over £7, plugged it into port 2 on the Mesh box, works a treat, > > > > and I can now Home Share just fine (so far!). > > > > > > Sigh, I actually miss MacSOUP because it didn’t have a spell checker, > > > sometimes I really dislike the autocorrect feature - that was supposed to > > > be TP-Link ‘jobby’. > > > > Computers are too clever for their own good, eh! > > Yup, whoever thought of bloody AI in the first place anyway? ;-) Beyond the early work in the 1950’s, I believe Arthur Clark first expressed the fictionalized AI concept with HAL. ...but then Dave thought better of it. -- Regards, Savageduck
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| From | Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> |
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| Date | 2020-07-28 19:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <rfptuq$k94$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #145939 |
Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> On Jul 28, 2020, Andy Hewitt wrote
> (in article <rfprcj$8oo$1@dont-email.me>):
>
>> Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Andy Hewitt wrote:
>>>> Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>> Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> Bruce Horrocks wrote:
>>>>>>> On 27/07/2020 10:42, Graham J wrote:
>>>>>>>> A much better idea would be to set up routing between the two subnets.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unfortunately not. Bonjour is a variant of mDNS which uses 224.0.0.251
>>>>>>> as its multicast address which is non-routable by design[1]. The nearest
>>>>>>> equivalent would be to use a multicast proxy and the PHO almost
>>>>>>> certainly can't do that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [1]<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multicast_address>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But then, the PHO probably can't set up route redirection either.
>>>>>
>>>>> It’s sorted now anyway, I got an 8 port switch from Amazon, TP-Link hobby
>>>>> for just over £7, plugged it into port 2 on the Mesh box, works a treat,
>>>>> and I can now Home Share just fine (so far!).
>>>>
>>>> Sigh, I actually miss MacSOUP because it didn’t have a spell checker,
>>>> sometimes I really dislike the autocorrect feature - that was supposed to
>>>> be TP-Link ‘jobby’.
>>>
>>> Computers are too clever for their own good, eh!
>>
>> Yup, whoever thought of bloody AI in the first place anyway? ;-)
>
> Beyond the early work in the 1950’s, I believe Arthur Clark first
> expressed the fictionalized AI concept with HAL.
>
> ...but then Dave thought better of it.
LOL, I must admit, I had thought it was older than that, perhaps Colossus
(the Forbin Projet) predated it, although might have been a similar period.
--
Andy H
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| From | Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> |
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| Date | 2020-07-28 13:37 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <0001HW.24D0C41B0242A7257000055D82CF@news.giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #145940 |
On Jul 28, 2020, Andy Hewitt wrote
(in article <rfptuq$k94$1@dont-email.me>):
> Savageduck<savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 28, 2020, Andy Hewitt wrote
> > (in article <rfprcj$8oo$1@dont-email.me>):
> >
> > > Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > Andy Hewitt wrote:
> > > > > Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > > > > Bruce Horrocks wrote:
> > > > > > > > On 27/07/2020 10:42, Graham J wrote:
> > > > > > > > > A much better idea would be to set up routing between the two subnets.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Unfortunately not. Bonjour is a variant of mDNS which uses 224.0.0.251
> > > > > > > > as its multicast address which is non-routable by design[1]. The nearest
> > > > > > > > equivalent would be to use a multicast proxy and the PHO almost
> > > > > > > > certainly can't do that.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > [1]<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multicast_address>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But then, the PHO probably can't set up route redirection either.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It’s sorted now anyway, I got an 8 port switch from Amazon, TP-Link hobby
> > > > > > for just over £7, plugged it into port 2 on the Mesh box, works a treat,
> > > > > > and I can now Home Share just fine (so far!).
> > > > >
> > > > > Sigh, I actually miss MacSOUP because it didn’t have a spell checker,
> > > > > sometimes I really dislike the autocorrect feature - that was supposed to
> > > > > be TP-Link ‘jobby’.
> > > >
> > > > Computers are too clever for their own good, eh!
> > >
> > > Yup, whoever thought of bloody AI in the first place anyway? ;-)
> >
> > Beyond the early work in the 1950’s, I believe Arthur Clark first
> > expressed the fictionalized AI concept with HAL.
> >
> > ...but then Dave thought better of it.
>
> LOL, I must admit, I had thought it was older than that, perhaps Colossus
> (the Forbin Projet) predated it, although might have been a similar period.
True AI has a degree of computing independence, anthropomorphism if you will. Colossus, ENIAC, and the computers of the 1940’s & 50’s did not have that. They were machines that did not function independently of programmed algorithm acting on data input.Colossus, if anything was a single purpose, limited use, programable computer. It was not “Turing-complete” with conditional response programing as most, if not all of today’s computers, and OSes.
AI today, particularly in the area of photographic image processing produces results which are independent of operator input.
--
Regards,
Savageduck
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| From | Bruce Horrocks <07.013@scorecrow.com> |
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| Date | 2020-07-28 22:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <fd8854ed-337c-4f47-f23a-86460b004eba@scorecrow.com> |
| In reply to | #145942 |
On 28/07/2020 21:37, Savageduck wrote: > True AI has a degree of computing independence, anthropomorphism if you will. Colossus, ENIAC, and the computers of the 1940’s & 50’s did not have that. They were machines that did not function independently of programmed algorithm acting on data input.Colossus, if anything was a single purpose, limited use, programable computer. It was not “Turing-complete” with conditional response programing as most, if not all of today’s computers, and OSes. > > AI today, particularly in the area of photographic image processing produces results which are independent of operator input. Results which are independent of operator input always used to be called a bug. :-) -- Bruce Horrocks Surrey England (bruce at scorecrow dot com)
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| From | Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> |
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| Date | 2020-07-28 21:45 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <rfq6ah$8t7$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #145944 |
Bruce Horrocks <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote: > On 28/07/2020 21:37, Savageduck wrote: >> True AI has a degree of computing independence, anthropomorphism if you >> will. Colossus, ENIAC, and the computers of the 1940’s & 50’s did not >> have that. They were machines that did not function independently of >> programmed algorithm acting on data input.Colossus, if anything was a >> single purpose, limited use, programable computer. It was not >> “Turing-complete” with conditional response programing as most, if not >> all of today’s computers, and OSes. >> >> AI today, particularly in the area of photographic image processing >> produces results which are independent of operator input. > > Results which are independent of operator input always used to be called > a bug. :-) No, not *that* Colossus, this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus:_The_Forbin_Project I know the Turin one well enough, and what it was used for, we were talking about simply the idea of AI, fictional or fact doesn’t matter, either way it’s an idea or concept. -- Andy H
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| From | Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> |
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| Date | 2020-07-28 15:03 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <0001HW.24D0D82B02475AC77000055D82CF@news.giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #145945 |
On Jul 28, 2020, Andy Hewitt wrote (in article <rfq6ah$8t7$1@dont-email.me>): > Bruce Horrocks <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote: > > On 28/07/2020 21:37, Savageduck wrote: > > > True AI has a degree of computing independence, anthropomorphism if you > > > will. Colossus, ENIAC, and the computers of the 1940’s & 50’s did not > > > have that. They were machines that did not function independently of > > > programmed algorithm acting on data input.Colossus, if anything was a > > > single purpose, limited use, programable computer. It was not > > > “Turing-complete” with conditional response programing as most, if not > > > all of today’s computers, and OSes. > > > > > > AI today, particularly in the area of photographic image processing > > > produces results which are independent of operator input. > > > > Results which are independent of operator input always used to be called > > a bug. :-) > > No, not *that* Colossus, this one: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus:_The_Forbin_Project > > I know the Turin one well enough, and what it was used for, we were talking > about simply the idea of AI, fictional or fact doesn’t matter, either way > it’s an idea or concept. Aah! A 1970 movie. I missed that one. With a Selective Service number of 54, and having graduated from high school in 1966, for most of 1969, and 1970 I found myself engaged in a meditation in green, (...or was that olive drab), only to return to the mainstream and more college in 1971. When I think Colossus my thinking goes to Bletchley Park, “Bombe”, Enigma, and Ultra. -- Regards, Savageduck
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| From | Bernd Froehlich <befr@eaglesoft.de> |
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| Date | 2020-07-29 06:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <hocjs3F1rklU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #145936 |
On 28. Jul 2020 at 18:30:33 CEST, "Andy Hewitt" <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote: > Sigh, I actually miss MacSOUP because it didn’t have a spell checker, > sometimes I really dislike the autocorrect feature Just turn it off.
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