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Scripts - help requested with this, please.

Started by"David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org>
First post2019-01-22 21:26 +0000
Last post2019-02-03 23:26 +0000
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  Scripts - help requested with this, please. "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-22 21:26 +0000
    Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2019-01-22 21:29 +0000
      Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-22 21:40 +0000
        Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. Ray <amos.jones@outlook.com> - 2019-01-23 08:01 +0000
          Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-23 09:28 +0000
            Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-23 08:29 -0500
              Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. Bob Campbell <none@none.none> - 2019-01-23 09:31 -0500
              Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-23 17:49 +0000
                Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-23 14:37 -0500
            Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-01-23 08:17 -0700
              Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-23 17:22 +0000
                Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-01-23 10:46 -0700
                  Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-23 18:02 +0000
                    Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-23 14:37 -0500
                    Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-01-23 12:53 -0700
                      Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-23 20:29 +0000
                        Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2019-01-23 20:33 +0000
                          Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-23 15:39 -0500
                        Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-23 15:39 -0500
                          Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-23 20:57 +0000
                            Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-23 17:06 -0500
                        Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-23 22:02 +0000
                          Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-23 23:43 +0000
                            Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-23 18:54 -0500
                              Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-23 23:59 +0000
                            Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-24 01:18 +0000
                        Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-01-23 22:04 -0700
                          Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-24 10:57 +0000
                            Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-01-24 05:53 -0700
                    Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-23 21:52 +0000
            Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-23 21:48 +0000
              Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-23 23:11 +0000
                Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-23 18:24 -0500
                  Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-24 00:03 +0000
                    Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. Bob Campbell <none@none.none> - 2019-01-23 19:12 -0500
                      Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-24 00:16 +0000
                        Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-23 19:24 -0500
                        Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. Bob Campbell <none@none.none> - 2019-01-24 00:20 -0500
                          Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. Panthera Tigris Altaica <northentiger@outlook.com> - 2019-01-25 13:11 -0500
                Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-24 01:11 +0000
                  Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. jeremy <jeremy0505@gmail.com> - 2019-01-25 13:48 +0000
                    Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-25 15:24 +0000
                      Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-25 10:50 -0500
                      Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-25 10:10 -0800
                        Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-27 22:16 +0000
                          Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2019-01-27 22:20 +0000
                          Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-27 14:25 -0800
                    Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-25 16:00 +0000
                      Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-25 16:23 +0000
                        Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-25 11:59 -0500
                        Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. jeremy <jeremy0505@gmail.com> - 2019-01-25 18:16 +0000
                          Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-25 18:24 +0000
                        Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-25 19:37 +0000
                          Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-25 23:41 +0000
                            Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-26 09:25 -0500
                              Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-26 14:38 +0000
                                Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-26 09:44 -0500
                                  Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-26 15:50 +0000
                                    Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-26 10:58 -0500
                                      Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-26 16:07 +0000
                                        Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-26 11:08 -0500
                                          Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-26 16:13 +0000
                                            Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-26 11:15 -0500
                                              Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-26 16:36 +0000
                                                Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-26 11:39 -0500
                                                Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-26 17:13 +0000
                                                  Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-26 21:04 +0000
                                                    Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-26 16:10 -0500
                                                    Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-27 00:20 +0000
                                                      Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-27 00:30 +0000
                                                        Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-27 01:23 +0000
                                            Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-26 17:10 +0000
                                            Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-26 12:08 -0800
                                        Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-26 12:07 -0800
                                          Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-26 20:24 +0000
                                            Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-26 15:36 -0500
                                            Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-27 08:19 -0800
                                    Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-26 12:06 -0800
                                Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-26 17:09 +0000
                        Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. YK <xxxxx@dialme.com> - 2019-01-25 21:06 -0500
                          Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-26 08:59 +0000
                            Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. YK <xxxxx@dialme.com> - 2019-01-26 12:05 -0500
                            Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-26 17:05 +0000
                              Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-26 19:52 +0000
                                Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-26 15:16 -0500
                                Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. YK <xxxxx@dialme.com> - 2019-01-26 15:19 -0500
                                  Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-26 20:48 +0000
                                    Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-26 16:10 -0500
                                Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-27 00:17 +0000
                                  Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-27 00:24 +0000
                                    Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-27 01:22 +0000
                      Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. jeremy <jeremy0505@gmail.com> - 2019-01-25 18:13 +0000
                        Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-25 19:52 +0000
                          Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. jeremy <jeremy0505@gmail.com> - 2019-01-26 12:30 +0000
                            Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. jeremy <jeremy0505@gmail.com> - 2019-01-26 12:39 +0000
                              Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-26 13:11 +0000
                                Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-26 09:25 -0500
                                  Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-26 14:40 +0000
                                    Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-26 09:44 -0500
                                      Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-26 15:33 +0000
                                        Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-26 10:38 -0500
                                Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-01-26 08:30 -0700
                                  Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-26 10:38 -0500
                                    Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-01-26 08:53 -0700
                                      Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-26 10:58 -0500
                                        Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-01-26 09:32 -0700
                                          Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-26 11:39 -0500
                                    Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-26 15:54 +0000
                                      Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-26 10:58 -0500
                                        Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-27 15:33 +0000
                                          Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-27 22:44 -0500
                                            Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2019-01-28 09:30 +0000
                                              Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-28 11:41 -0500
                                                Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2019-01-28 17:15 +0000
                                                  Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-28 09:22 -0800
                                                    Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2019-01-28 18:43 +0000
                                                      Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-28 10:55 -0800
                                                        OT? Not really! - Rootkits and computers (was Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please.) "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2019-01-28 19:19 +0000
                                                          Re: OT? Not really! - Rootkits and computers (was Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please.) Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-28 11:28 -0800
                                                          Re: OT? Not really! Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2019-01-28 20:00 -0200
                                                            TROLL post "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2019-01-28 23:12 +0000
                                                              Re: TROLL post Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-02-03 23:26 +0000
                                                                Re: TROLL post "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2019-02-05 00:03 +0000
                                                                  Re: TROLL post John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2019-02-04 16:40 -0800
                                                                  Re: TROLL post Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2019-02-05 07:16 -0200
                                                                    Re: TROLL post "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2019-02-05 09:41 +0000
                                                                      Re: TROLL post Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2019-02-05 07:56 -0200
                                                                        Re: TROLL post "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2019-02-05 10:17 +0000
                                                                          Re: TROLL post "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2019-02-05 10:47 +0000
                                                                            Re: TROLL post John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2019-02-05 18:52 -0800
                                                                        Re: TROLL post "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2019-02-05 10:21 +0000
                                                                  Re: TROLL post Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2019-02-08 07:33 +0000
                                                                    Re: TROLL post "David B." <"David B"@no.mail.afraid.org> - 2019-02-08 10:45 +0000
                                                                      Re: [OT]TROLL post Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2019-02-08 11:33 -0200
                                                                        Re: [OT]TROLL post John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2019-02-08 10:47 -0800
                                                                      Re: TROLL post Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2019-02-09 07:28 +0000
                                                                        Re: TROLL post "David B." <"David B"@no.mail.afraid.org> - 2019-02-09 08:22 +0000
                                                                          Re: TROLL post John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2019-02-09 15:02 -0800
                                                                          Re: [OT]TROLL post Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2019-02-10 00:16 -0200
                                                                            Re: [OT]TROLL post John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2019-02-10 08:24 -0800
                                                                            Re: [OT]TROLL post Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2019-02-13 08:13 +0000
                                                                              Re: [OT]TROLL post "David B." <"David B"@gmail.com> - 2019-02-13 14:47 +0000
                                                                                Re: [OT]TROLL post Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2019-02-13 12:30 -0300
                                                                                  Re: [OT]TROLL post Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2019-02-14 00:43 +0000
                                                                                Re: TROLL post Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2019-02-13 12:42 -0300
                                                                                Re: [OT]TROLL post Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2019-02-14 00:43 +0000
                                                                          Re: TROLL post Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2019-02-13 08:13 +0000
                                                                            Re: TROLL post "David B." <"David B"@gmail.com> - 2019-02-13 08:32 +0000
                                                                              Re: TROLL post Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2019-02-13 10:00 +0000
                                                                                Re: TROLL post "David B." <"David B"@gmail.com> - 2019-02-13 12:08 +0000
                                                                                  Re: [OT]TROLL post Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2019-02-13 12:00 -0300
                                                                                  Re: TROLL post Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2019-02-13 15:11 -0600
                                                                                    Re: TROLL post Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2019-02-14 00:43 +0000
                                                                                  Re: TROLL post Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2019-02-14 00:43 +0000
                                                                                    Re: TROLL post John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2019-02-13 19:58 -0800
                                                                              Re: TROLL post Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2019-02-13 15:16 -0600
                                                          Re: OT? Not really! - Rootkits and computers (was Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please.) Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-02-03 23:26 +0000
                                                            Re: OT? Not really! - Rootkits and computers (was Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please.) "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2019-02-03 23:53 +0000
                                                              Re: OT? Not really! - Rootkits and computers (was Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please.) Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2019-02-04 03:59 +0000
                                                                Re: OT? Not really! - Rootkits and computers (was Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please.) John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2019-02-04 14:59 -0800
                                                      Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-28 13:57 -0500
                                                        Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2019-01-28 19:58 -0200
                                                      Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2019-01-28 19:56 -0200
                                                        Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2019-01-28 23:05 +0000
                                                          Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-02-03 23:26 +0000
                                                            Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2019-02-03 23:38 +0000
                                                              Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-03 18:56 -0500
                                                                Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2019-02-04 23:47 +0000
                                                              Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2019-02-04 03:59 +0000
                                                                Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2019-02-04 23:55 +0000
                                                                  Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2019-02-04 16:43 -0800
                                                                  Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2019-02-08 07:33 +0000
                                                                    Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. "David B." <"David B"@no.mail.afraid.org> - 2019-02-08 12:39 +0000
                                                                      Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. Panthera Tigris Altaica <northentiger@outlook.com> - 2019-02-08 11:42 -0500
                                                                        Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2019-02-08 11:04 -0800
                                                                        Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. "David B." <"David B"@no.mail.afraid.org> - 2019-02-08 19:14 +0000
                                                                          Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. Panthera Tigris Altaica <northentiger@outlook.com> - 2019-02-08 15:16 -0500
                                                                            Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. "David B." <"David B"@no.mail.afraid.org> - 2019-02-08 23:01 +0000
                                                                              Re: [OT]Scripts - help requested with this, please. Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2019-02-10 00:09 -0200
                                                                              Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2019-02-13 08:14 +0000
                                                                                Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. "David B." <"David B"@gmail.com> - 2019-02-13 08:35 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2019-02-13 10:00 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-13 11:01 -0500
                                                                                    Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. "David B." <"David B"@gmail.com> - 2019-02-13 17:42 +0000
                                                                                      Re: [OT]Scripts - help requested with this, please. Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2019-02-13 17:15 -0300
                                                                      Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2019-02-09 07:28 +0000
                                                      Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-02-03 23:26 +0000
                                                        Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2019-02-03 23:44 +0000
                                                          Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2019-02-04 03:59 +0000
                                                    Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-02-03 23:26 +0000
                                                  Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-28 13:12 -0500
                                                  Re: Scripts - help requested with this, please. Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2019-01-28 19:52 -0200
                                                    TROLL post "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2019-01-28 23:25 +0000
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#127735

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2019-01-23 17:06 -0500
Message-ID<230120191706223782%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#127730
In article <0z42E.114917$Mo2.10189@fx28.fr7>, David B. <
B"@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

> >>>
> >>> I have absolutely no idea why you are so suspicious about this
> >>> particular piece of software. It's reputable software from a reputable
> >>> company. It just performs a task which I don't see as particularly
> >>> necessary or useful.
> >>
> >> *WHO* says it's a "reputable company"? (apart from it's own marketing
> >> blurb)
> > 
> > everyone
> 
> So, not even Usenet's most illustrious *TROLL* - YES, *YOU* 'nospam' - 
> can find *ANY* supporting literature on-line.

you hold that title, which is why you are again making up shit.

> My, my!
> 
> >> It's not recommended by Apple and it isn't available in the App Store.
> > 
> > so what
> 
> Anti-Virus software on an Apple machine is not needed.

exactly why they don't recommend it. 

duh.

and yet you continue to obsess over it.

> >>> Worst case scenario, it's buggy or causes a notable slowdown, in which
> >>> case you simply uninstall it.
> >>
> >> Worst case scenario is that your computer may become part of a Botnet.
> > 
> > no
> 
> Yes - unless you know of something worse.

i do.

> >>    ..... and you'd likely never know about it!
> > 
> > no
> 
> *YES*!

you might not, but that doesn't mean other people won't.

> Hardly ANYONE will be bothering with software like Wireshark to monitor 
> their Internet connectivity https://www.wireshark.org/

especially you, who would have no clue what to do with it.

and it's not even necessary, further supporting that you don't know
what to do with it.

> >>>> What REALLY is a give-away is the company's inability to run a
> >>>> Facebook page! Have you taken a look?
> >>>
> >>> I've never visited any company's facebook page. I would hope a software
> >>> company devotes its time and effort to developing and maintaining
> >>> software rather than facebook pages.
> >>
> >> André, THOUSANDS of companies now advertise their wares on Facebook.
> > 
> > so what
> 
> It a VERY IMPORTANT part of business life in the 21st century.

definitely not.

companies that have a facebook page instead of their own web site
suggests laziness, incompetence and a complete disregard for their
users.

> >> Would you like some examples?
> > 
> > go away
> 
> Certainly not! :-P

because: troll

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#127734

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2019-01-23 22:02 +0000
Message-ID<gas6j5FnqsqU4@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#127726
On 2019-01-23, David B. <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> On 23/01/2019 19:53, André G. Isaak wrote:
>> On 2019-01-23 11:02 a.m., David B. wrote:
>>> On 23/01/2019 17:46, André G. Isaak wrote:
>>>> On 2019-01-23 10:22 a.m., David B. wrote:
>>>>> On 23/01/2019 15:17, André G. Isaak wrote:
>>>>>> On 2019-01-23 2:28 a.m., David B. wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd like to know if ANYONE reading the Usenet groups has installed 
>>>>>>> ClamXAV.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes. A former employer required, for some unspecified reason, that 
>>>>>> it be installed on all Macs attached to the network. It never 
>>>>>> caused me any problems.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you, André.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you using it on your personal machine right now?
>>>>
>>>> No
>>>
>>> OK - me neither!
>>>
>>>>> Will you, please, just clarify - was your employer using ClamXAV ......
>>>>>
>>>>>       ..... or simply ClamAV ?
>>>>
>>>> ClamXAV, which is just a graphical front-end for ClamAV.
>>>
>>> I hope you are right about that, André.
>>>
>>> There's no way any ordinary folk can check that. :-(
>> 
>> I have absolutely no idea why you are so suspicious about this 
>> particular piece of software. It's reputable software from a reputable 
>> company. It just performs a task which I don't see as particularly 
>> necessary or useful.
>
> *WHO* says it's a "reputable company"? (apart from it's own marketing blurb)

Thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of other veteran Mac users who
have used ClamXAV for years and know it to be of decent quality.

> It's not recommended by Apple and it isn't available in the App Store.

Software doesn't have to be recommended by Apple to be of good quality
or trustworthy - same for being on the App Store. That means nothing.

>> Worst case scenario, it's buggy or causes a notable slowdown, in which 
>> case you simply uninstall it.
>
> Worst case scenario is that your computer may become part of a Botnet.

That can happen without having ClamXAV installed. Maybe you should just
stop using your computer. Or is your supposed "concern" about botnets
not genuine?

>   ..... and you'd likely never know about it!

Nonsense. Many people would know if any popular Mac software like
ClamXAV did such a thing. 

>>> What REALLY is a give-away is the company's inability to run a 
>>> Facebook page! Have you taken a look?
>> 
>> I've never visited any company's facebook page. I would hope a software 
>> company devotes its time and effort to developing and maintaining 
>> software rather than facebook pages.
>
> André, THOUSANDS of companies now advertise their wares on Facebook.

So does ClamXAV. 

-- 
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#127738

From"David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org>
Date2019-01-23 23:43 +0000
Message-ID<T_62E.114921$Mo2.26586@fx28.fr7>
In reply to#127734
On 23/01/2019 22:02, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2019-01-23, David B. <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>> On 23/01/2019 19:53, André G. Isaak wrote:
>>> On 2019-01-23 11:02 a.m., David B. wrote:
>>>> On 23/01/2019 17:46, André G. Isaak wrote:
>>>>> On 2019-01-23 10:22 a.m., David B. wrote:
>>>>>> On 23/01/2019 15:17, André G. Isaak wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2019-01-23 2:28 a.m., David B. wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd like to know if ANYONE reading the Usenet groups has installed
>>>>>>>> ClamXAV.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes. A former employer required, for some unspecified reason, that
>>>>>>> it be installed on all Macs attached to the network. It never
>>>>>>> caused me any problems.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you, André.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you using it on your personal machine right now?
>>>>>
>>>>> No
>>>>
>>>> OK - me neither!
>>>>
>>>>>> Will you, please, just clarify - was your employer using ClamXAV ......
>>>>>>
>>>>>>        ..... or simply ClamAV ?
>>>>>
>>>>> ClamXAV, which is just a graphical front-end for ClamAV.
>>>>
>>>> I hope you are right about that, André.
>>>>
>>>> There's no way any ordinary folk can check that. :-(
>>>
>>> I have absolutely no idea why you are so suspicious about this
>>> particular piece of software. It's reputable software from a reputable
>>> company. It just performs a task which I don't see as particularly
>>> necessary or useful.
>>
>> *WHO* says it's a "reputable company"? (apart from it's own marketing blurb)
> 
> Thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of other veteran Mac users who
> have used ClamXAV for years and know it to be of decent quality.

I call bullshit. The 'professional' service was launched less than four 
years ago: https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/SC500971

Do post some published reviews of how great the software is.

>> It's not recommended by Apple and it isn't available in the App Store.
> 
> Software doesn't have to be recommended by Apple to be of good quality
> or trustworthy - same for being on the App Store. That means nothing.

You are welcome to your view. Apple recommends caution in that respect.

https://support.apple.com/kb/PH25087?locale=en_US&viewlocale=en_US

How does one determine if Mark Allan IS an "identified developer"?

Do you have any Apple contacts who can verify this?

>>> Worst case scenario, it's buggy or causes a notable slowdown, in which
>>> case you simply uninstall it.
>>
>> Worst case scenario is that your computer may become part of a Botnet.
> 
> That can happen without having ClamXAV installed. Maybe you should just
> stop using your computer. Or is your supposed "concern" about botnets
> not genuine?

It's a REAL concern!

"Yes, You Are a Target!"  A great item from SANS - everyone should read it!

https://www.sans.org/security-awareness-training/resources/yes-you-are-target

>>    ..... and you'd likely never know about it!
> 
> Nonsense. Many people would know if any popular Mac software like
> ClamXAV did such a thing.

*HOW*? If the users were completely unaware that their computers had 
been compromised?

>>>> What REALLY is a give-away is the company's inability to run a
>>>> Facebook page! Have you taken a look?
>>>
>>> I've never visited any company's facebook page. I would hope a software
>>> company devotes its time and effort to developing and maintaining
>>> software rather than facebook pages.
>>
>> André, THOUSANDS of companies now advertise their wares on Facebook.
> 
> So does ClamXAV.

How many 'followers' does it have?  https://www.facebook.com/clamxav/

377 this evening on my machine.

https://www.facebook.com/Kaspersky/
3,352,483 people follow this!

-- 
David B.

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#127739

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2019-01-23 18:54 -0500
Message-ID<230120191854333580%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#127738
In article <T_62E.114921$Mo2.26586@fx28.fr7>, David B. <
B"@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

> >> It's not recommended by Apple and it isn't available in the App Store.
> > 
> > Software doesn't have to be recommended by Apple to be of good quality
> > or trustworthy - same for being on the App Store. That means nothing.
> 
> You are welcome to your view. Apple recommends caution in that respect.

no they don't.

> https://support.apple.com/kb/PH25087?locale=en_US&viewlocale=en_US

that doesn't say what you think it does.

> How does one determine if Mark Allan IS an "identified developer"?

easily.

> Do you have any Apple contacts who can verify this?

no need.

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#127740

From"David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org>
Date2019-01-23 23:59 +0000
Message-ID<ld72E.100971$Yn2.84786@fx26.fr7>
In reply to#127739
On 23/01/2019 23:54, nospam wrote *TROLL RESPONSES* as always
> In article <T_62E.114921$Mo2.26586@fx28.fr7>, David B. <
> B"@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> 
>>>> It's not recommended by Apple and it isn't available in the App Store.
>>>
>>> Software doesn't have to be recommended by Apple to be of good quality
>>> or trustworthy - same for being on the App Store. That means nothing.
>>
>> You are welcome to your view. Apple recommends caution in that respect.
> 
> no they don't.
> 
>> https://support.apple.com/kb/PH25087?locale=en_US&viewlocale=en_US
> 
> that doesn't say what you think it does.
> 
>> How does one determine if Mark Allan IS an "identified developer"?
> 
> easily.
> 
>> Do you have any Apple contacts who can verify this?
> 
> no need.


*PLONK*!


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#127746

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2019-01-24 01:18 +0000
Message-ID<gasi3vFq4e3U3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#127738
On 2019-01-23, David B. <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> On 23/01/2019 22:02, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2019-01-23, David B. <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>> On 23/01/2019 19:53, André G. Isaak wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I have absolutely no idea why you are so suspicious about this
>>>> particular piece of software. It's reputable software from a reputable
>>>> company. It just performs a task which I don't see as particularly
>>>> necessary or useful.
>>>
>>> *WHO* says it's a "reputable company"? (apart from it's own marketing blurb)
>> 
>> Thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of other veteran Mac users who
>> have used ClamXAV for years and know it to be of decent quality.
>
> I call bullshit.

You can call whatever you want, but you're wrong. ClamXAV has been
around for a long time.

> The 'professional' service 

ClamXAV > the professional service.

> Do post some published reviews of how great the software is.

Nah. Waste of my time. Sorry.

>>> It's not recommended by Apple and it isn't available in the App Store.
>> 
>> Software doesn't have to be recommended by Apple to be of good quality
>> or trustworthy - same for being on the App Store. That means nothing.
>
> You are welcome to your view.

It's not my view. It's the truth.

>>> Worst case scenario is that your computer may become part of a Botnet.
>> 
>> That can happen without having ClamXAV installed. Maybe you should just
>> stop using your computer. Or is your supposed "concern" about botnets
>> not genuine?
>
> It's a REAL concern!

Then you should stop using your computer immediately since it runs
all sorts of software not recommended by Apple of questionable
trustworthiness, including your news client! Do *YOU* know Thunderbird
isn't installing a botnet on your computer at this very *instant*?!?! Go
ahead! Prove it isn't!!!


>> Nonsense. Many people would know if any popular Mac software like
>> ClamXAV did such a thing.
>
> *HOW*? If the users were completely unaware that their computers had 
> been compromised?

Because many people use ClamXAV and have the technical expertise to be
aware enough of what their computers are doing to notice. *Duh*. 

>>>>> What REALLY is a give-away is the company's inability to run a
>>>>> Facebook page! Have you taken a look?
>>>>
>>>> I've never visited any company's facebook page. I would hope a software
>>>> company devotes its time and effort to developing and maintaining
>>>> software rather than facebook pages.
>>>
>>> André, THOUSANDS of companies now advertise their wares on Facebook.
>> 
>> So does ClamXAV.
>
> How many 'followers' does it have?

Irrelevant. Your claim that they don't have a Facebook page is false,
and Facebook is not a gauge for software quality.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#127747

FromAndré G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid>
Date2019-01-23 22:04 -0700
Message-ID<q2bh11$68j$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#127726
On 2019-01-23 1:29 p.m., David B. wrote:
> On 23/01/2019 19:53, André G. Isaak wrote:
>> On 2019-01-23 11:02 a.m., David B. wrote:
>>> On 23/01/2019 17:46, André G. Isaak wrote:
>>>> On 2019-01-23 10:22 a.m., David B. wrote:
>>>>> On 23/01/2019 15:17, André G. Isaak wrote:
>>>>>> On 2019-01-23 2:28 a.m., David B. wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd like to know if ANYONE reading the Usenet groups has 
>>>>>>> installed ClamXAV.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes. A former employer required, for some unspecified reason, that 
>>>>>> it be installed on all Macs attached to the network. It never 
>>>>>> caused me any problems.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you, André.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you using it on your personal machine right now?
>>>>
>>>> No
>>>
>>> OK - me neither!
>>>
>>>>> Will you, please, just clarify - was your employer using ClamXAV 
>>>>> ......
>>>>>
>>>>>       ..... or simply ClamAV ?
>>>>
>>>> ClamXAV, which is just a graphical front-end for ClamAV.
>>>
>>> I hope you are right about that, André.
>>>
>>> There's no way any ordinary folk can check that. :-(
>>
>> I have absolutely no idea why you are so suspicious about this 
>> particular piece of software. It's reputable software from a reputable 
>> company. It just performs a task which I don't see as particularly 
>> necessary or useful.
> 
> *WHO* says it's a "reputable company"? (apart from it's own marketing 
> blurb)

You can easily search for reviews from third parties, and for 
comparisons between anti-virus software. The fact that it is frequently 
included in such comparisons would certainly suggest others view it as 
reputable.

> It's not recommended by Apple and it isn't available in the App Store.

Apple doesn't generally make recommendations about third-party software.

And lots of things aren't available through the App Store. Microsoft 
Office, Adobe Illustrator, BBEdit, etc. Does that make Microsoft, 
Adobe[*], or BareBones not reputable?

And there are good reasons why lots of software isn't available through 
the App Store. Apple imposes numerous restrictions on software 
distributed through the App Store which often aren't reasonable for 
larger, more complex applications or for software which performs fairly 
low-level tasks.

As a general rule, if software is available both through the App Store 
and directly from the vendor, I prefer to get the version available from 
the vendor.

>> Worst case scenario, it's buggy or causes a notable slowdown, in which 
>> case you simply uninstall it.
> 
> Worst case scenario is that your computer may become part of a Botnet. >
 >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Botnet
> 
>   ..... and you'd likely never know about it!

Given that ClamXAV has been around for at least 15 years, if it were 
doing something malicious someone would certainly have pointed this out 
by now and would have shouted it far and wide. There would have been 
lawsuits and much gnashing of teeth.

>>> What REALLY is a give-away is the company's inability to run a 
>>> Facebook page! Have you taken a look?
>>
>> I've never visited any company's facebook page. I would hope a 
>> software company devotes its time and effort to developing and 
>> maintaining software rather than facebook pages.
> 
> André, THOUSANDS of companies now advertise their wares on Facebook.

I never claimed they didn't. But I don't use facebook and wouldn't judge 
a company by the quality of its facebook page, or blog, or website, or 
whatever. Being a competent programmer and being a competent web 
designer are entirely different skills.

André

[*] Actually, if you're going to be paranoid, these might be better 
targets. The Adobe Flash Player Installer available from Adobe.com has 
the nasty habit of trying to install Adobe Flash Player. You can find 
lots of unofficial versions of this installer at other places on the web 
which don't install this, but they usually install some other piece of 
malware instead.

And earlier versions of Microsoft Office used to install that irritating 
paper-clip dude. That was the closest thing to actual malware which I've 
ever encountered on a Mac.

-- 
To email remove 'invalid' & replace 'gm' with well known Google mail 
service.

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#127752

From"David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org>
Date2019-01-24 10:57 +0000
Message-ID<kSg2E.70325$hO1.12355@fx29.fr7>
In reply to#127747
On 24/01/2019 05:04, André G. Isaak wrote:
> On 2019-01-23 1:29 p.m., David B. wrote:
>> On 23/01/2019 19:53, André G. Isaak wrote:
>>> On 2019-01-23 11:02 a.m., David B. wrote:
>>>> On 23/01/2019 17:46, André G. Isaak wrote:
>>>>> On 2019-01-23 10:22 a.m., David B. wrote:
>>>>>> On 23/01/2019 15:17, André G. Isaak wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2019-01-23 2:28 a.m., David B. wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd like to know if ANYONE reading the Usenet groups has 
>>>>>>>> installed ClamXAV.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes. A former employer required, for some unspecified reason, 
>>>>>>> that it be installed on all Macs attached to the network. It 
>>>>>>> never caused me any problems.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you, André.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you using it on your personal machine right now?
>>>>>
>>>>> No
>>>>
>>>> OK - me neither!
>>>>
>>>>>> Will you, please, just clarify - was your employer using ClamXAV 
>>>>>> ......
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       ..... or simply ClamAV ?
>>>>>
>>>>> ClamXAV, which is just a graphical front-end for ClamAV.
>>>>
>>>> I hope you are right about that, André.
>>>>
>>>> There's no way any ordinary folk can check that. :-(
>>>
>>> I have absolutely no idea why you are so suspicious about this 
>>> particular piece of software. It's reputable software from a 
>>> reputable company. It just performs a task which I don't see as 
>>> particularly necessary or useful.
>>
>> *WHO* says it's a "reputable company"? (apart from it's own marketing 
>> blurb)
> 
> You can easily search for reviews from third parties, and for 
> comparisons between anti-virus software. The fact that it is frequently 
> included in such comparisons would certainly suggest others view it as 
> reputable.

I've tried - and not found any. :-(

https://www.macworld.co.uk/feature/mac-software/mac-antivirus-3672182/

https://antivirus-uk.thetop10sites.com/best-antivirus-for-mac.html

>> It's not recommended by Apple and it isn't available in the App Store.
> 
> Apple doesn't generally make recommendations about third-party software.
> 
> And lots of things aren't available through the App Store. Microsoft 
> Office, Adobe Illustrator, BBEdit, etc. Does that make Microsoft, 
> Adobe[*], or BareBones not reputable?

No - but they are not 'one man bands'!

> And there are good reasons why lots of software isn't available through 
> the App Store. Apple imposes numerous restrictions on software 
> distributed through the App Store which often aren't reasonable for 
> larger, more complex applications or for software which performs fairly 
> low-level tasks.
> 
> As a general rule, if software is available both through the App Store 
> and directly from the vendor, I prefer to get the version available from 
> the vendor.

OK

>>> Worst case scenario, it's buggy or causes a notable slowdown, in 
>>> which case you simply uninstall it.
>>
>> Worst case scenario is that your computer may become part of a Botnet. >
>  >
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Botnet
>>
>>   ..... and you'd likely never know about it!
> 
> Given that ClamXAV has been around for at least 15 years, if it were 
> doing something malicious someone would certainly have pointed this out 
> by now and would have shouted it far and wide. There would have been 
> lawsuits and much gnashing of teeth.

So did Mark Allan frequent the ASC before my time there? Or did he/does 
he post there under a pseudonym?

>>>> What REALLY is a give-away is the company's inability to run a 
>>>> Facebook page! Have you taken a look?
>>>
>>> I've never visited any company's facebook page. I would hope a 
>>> software company devotes its time and effort to developing and 
>>> maintaining software rather than facebook pages.
>>
>> André, THOUSANDS of companies now advertise their wares on Facebook.
> 
> I never claimed they didn't. But I don't use facebook and wouldn't judge 
> a company by the quality of its facebook page, or blog, or website, or 
> whatever. Being a competent programmer and being a competent web 
> designer are entirely different skills.

Which are *YOU*?

> [*] Actually, if you're going to be paranoid, these might be better 
> targets. The Adobe Flash Player Installer available from Adobe.com has 
> the nasty habit of trying to install Adobe Flash Player. You can find 
> lots of unofficial versions of this installer at other places on the web 
> which don't install this, but they usually install some other piece of 
> malware instead.

I don't use Flash now. That target is far to big for me anyway! ;-)

=

"When you run installer packages from outside the App Store, macOS
checks the Developer ID signature and notarization status to verify that
the software is from an identified developer and that it has not been
altered."

*IS* Mark Allan an 'identified developer'?  How can one check?

> And earlier versions of Microsoft Office used to install that irritating 
> paper-clip dude. That was the closest thing to actual malware which I've 
> ever encountered on a Mac.

I remember him! :-) 
https://www.artsy.net/article/artsy-editorial-life-death-microsoft-clippy-paper-clip-loved-hate

-- 
David B.

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#127755

FromAndré G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid>
Date2019-01-24 05:53 -0700
Message-ID<q2ccfh$h4s$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#127752
On 2019-01-24 3:57 a.m., David B. wrote:
> On 24/01/2019 05:04, André G. Isaak wrote:
>> On 2019-01-23 1:29 p.m., David B. wrote:
>>> On 23/01/2019 19:53, André G. Isaak wrote:
>>>> On 2019-01-23 11:02 a.m., David B. wrote:
>>>>> On 23/01/2019 17:46, André G. Isaak wrote:
>>>>>> On 2019-01-23 10:22 a.m., David B. wrote:
>>>>>>> On 23/01/2019 15:17, André G. Isaak wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2019-01-23 2:28 a.m., David B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'd like to know if ANYONE reading the Usenet groups has 
>>>>>>>>> installed ClamXAV.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes. A former employer required, for some unspecified reason, 
>>>>>>>> that it be installed on all Macs attached to the network. It 
>>>>>>>> never caused me any problems.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you, André.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are you using it on your personal machine right now?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No
>>>>>
>>>>> OK - me neither!
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Will you, please, just clarify - was your employer using ClamXAV 
>>>>>>> ......
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       ..... or simply ClamAV ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ClamXAV, which is just a graphical front-end for ClamAV.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope you are right about that, André.
>>>>>
>>>>> There's no way any ordinary folk can check that. :-(
>>>>
>>>> I have absolutely no idea why you are so suspicious about this 
>>>> particular piece of software. It's reputable software from a 
>>>> reputable company. It just performs a task which I don't see as 
>>>> particularly necessary or useful.
>>>
>>> *WHO* says it's a "reputable company"? (apart from it's own marketing 
>>> blurb)
>>
>> You can easily search for reviews from third parties, and for 
>> comparisons between anti-virus software. The fact that it is 
>> frequently included in such comparisons would certainly suggest others 
>> view it as reputable.
> 
> I've tried - and not found any. :-(
 >
> https://www.macworld.co.uk/feature/mac-software/mac-antivirus-3672182/
> 
> https://antivirus-uk.thetop10sites.com/best-antivirus-for-mac.html
> 
>>> It's not recommended by Apple and it isn't available in the App Store.
>>
>> Apple doesn't generally make recommendations about third-party software.
>>
>> And lots of things aren't available through the App Store. Microsoft 
>> Office, Adobe Illustrator, BBEdit, etc. Does that make Microsoft, 
>> Adobe[*], or BareBones not reputable?
> 
> No - but they are not 'one man bands'!

What does being a 'one man band' have to do with anything? Some people 
choose to accept Apple various restrictions and the cut which apple 
takes and distribute software through the App Store. Others do not and 
distribute it on their own. The size of an organization isn't really 
relevant.

>> And there are good reasons why lots of software isn't available 
>> through the App Store. Apple imposes numerous restrictions on software 
>> distributed through the App Store which often aren't reasonable for 
>> larger, more complex applications or for software which performs 
>> fairly low-level tasks.
>>
>> As a general rule, if software is available both through the App Store 
>> and directly from the vendor, I prefer to get the version available 
>> from the vendor.
> 
> OK
> 
>>>> Worst case scenario, it's buggy or causes a notable slowdown, in 
>>>> which case you simply uninstall it.
>>>
>>> Worst case scenario is that your computer may become part of a Botnet. >
>>  >
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Botnet
>>>
>>>   ..... and you'd likely never know about it!
>>
>> Given that ClamXAV has been around for at least 15 years, if it were 
>> doing something malicious someone would certainly have pointed this 
>> out by now and would have shouted it far and wide. There would have 
>> been lawsuits and much gnashing of teeth.
> 
> So did Mark Allan frequent the ASC before my time there? Or did he/does 
> he post there under a pseudonym?

How would I know?

And is there some particular reason why you think he should have 
frequented ASC? That's a place where people go to get help on apple 
hardware and software, not on third party products.

>>>>> What REALLY is a give-away is the company's inability to run a 
>>>>> Facebook page! Have you taken a look?
>>>>
>>>> I've never visited any company's facebook page. I would hope a 
>>>> software company devotes its time and effort to developing and 
>>>> maintaining software rather than facebook pages.
>>>
>>> André, THOUSANDS of companies now advertise their wares on Facebook.
>>
>> I never claimed they didn't. But I don't use facebook and wouldn't 
>> judge a company by the quality of its facebook page, or blog, or 
>> website, or whatever. Being a competent programmer and being a 
>> competent web designer are entirely different skills.
> 
> Which are *YOU*?

I never claimed to be either.

André

>> [*] Actually, if you're going to be paranoid, these might be better 
>> targets. The Adobe Flash Player Installer available from Adobe.com has 
>> the nasty habit of trying to install Adobe Flash Player. You can find 
>> lots of unofficial versions of this installer at other places on the 
>> web which don't install this, but they usually install some other 
>> piece of malware instead.
> 
> I don't use Flash now. That target is far to big for me anyway! ;-)
> 
> =
> 
> "When you run installer packages from outside the App Store, macOS
> checks the Developer ID signature and notarization status to verify that
> the software is from an identified developer and that it has not been
> altered."
> 
> *IS* Mark Allan an 'identified developer'?  How can one check?
> 
>> And earlier versions of Microsoft Office used to install that 
>> irritating paper-clip dude. That was the closest thing to actual 
>> malware which I've ever encountered on a Mac.
> 
> I remember him! :-) 
> https://www.artsy.net/article/artsy-editorial-life-death-microsoft-clippy-paper-clip-loved-hate 
> 
> 


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service.

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#127733

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2019-01-23 21:52 +0000
Message-ID<gas616FnqsqU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#127721
On 2019-01-23, David B. <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> On 23/01/2019 17:46, André G. Isaak wrote:
>> On 2019-01-23 10:22 a.m., David B. wrote:
>>> On 23/01/2019 15:17, André G. Isaak wrote:
>>>> On 2019-01-23 2:28 a.m., David B. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'd like to know if ANYONE reading the Usenet groups has installed 
>>>>> ClamXAV.
>>>>
>>>> Yes. A former employer required, for some unspecified reason, that it 
>>>> be installed on all Macs attached to the network. It never caused me 
>>>> any problems.
>>>
>>> Thank you, André.
>>>
>>> Are you using it on your personal machine right now?
>> 
>> No
>
> OK - me neither!

I have it installed.

>>> Will you, please, just clarify - was your employer using ClamXAV ......
>>>
>>>       ..... or simply ClamAV ?
>> 
>> ClamXAV, which is just a graphical front-end for ClamAV.
>
> I hope you are right about that, André.

He is.

> There's no way any ordinary folk can check that. :-(

Incorrect. And it doesn't do anything "untoward" as you repeatedly
assert. You're spreading FUD. What do you have against the author of
ClamXAV? What did he ever do to you to deserve slander?

> What REALLY is a give-away is the company's inability to run a Facebook 
> page! 

Whether a company has a Facebook page says absolutely nothing about the
trustworthiness of that company or their software products.

-- 
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#127732

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2019-01-23 21:48 +0000
Message-ID<gas5peFnqsqU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#127710
On 2019-01-23, David B. <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>
> Here's a screenshot of much of what is contained in the installation 
> package. There's no way that I could determine whether or not anything 
> untoward is being installed!
>
> https://i.imgur.com/yELJvy8.png

There's no cause for you to be worried about something 'untoward"; but I
suspect you know this and are spreading FUD about it on purpose.

> I'd like to know if ANYONE reading the Usenet groups has installed ClamXAV.

Of course some people here have installed ClamXAV. I've done so
countless times in the past myself, and am sure others have as well. The
real question is why you care what other people do? I have. So what?

-- 
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JR

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#127736

From"David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org>
Date2019-01-23 23:11 +0000
Message-ID<jw62E.42833$Xl2.9869@fx20.fr7>
In reply to#127732
On 23/01/2019 21:48, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2019-01-23, David B. <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>
>> Here's a screenshot of much of what is contained in the installation
>> package. There's no way that I could determine whether or not anything
>> untoward is being installed!
>>
>> https://i.imgur.com/yELJvy8.png
> 
> There's no cause for you to be worried about something 'untoward"; but I
> suspect you know this and are spreading FUD about it on purpose.
> 
>> I'd like to know if ANYONE reading the Usenet groups has installed ClamXAV.
> 
> Of course some people here have installed ClamXAV. I've done so
> countless times in the past myself, and am sure others have as well. The
> real question is why you care what other people do? I have. So what?

You are the *FIRST* to admit that you have it on YOUR computer!

Did you read this thread of mine?

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/protect/forum/protect_other-protect_scanning-windows_other/ramnit-trojan-on-imac-aol-disk-from-2008-false/e18cc0a4-5895-412e-9306-e565d2571849

It's a subscription service. I don't understand why have you "installed 
it countless times"?

-- 
David B.

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#127737

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2019-01-23 18:24 -0500
Message-ID<230120191824245049%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#127736
In article <jw62E.42833$Xl2.9869@fx20.fr7>, David B. <
B"@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

> >> I'd like to know if ANYONE reading the Usenet groups has installed ClamXAV.
> > 
> > Of course some people here have installed ClamXAV. I've done so
> > countless times in the past myself, and am sure others have as well. The
> > real question is why you care what other people do? I have. So what?
> 
> You are the *FIRST* to admit that you have it on YOUR computer!

no, he's not the first.

> Did you read this thread of mine?

no need. it's the same garbage you spew here.

> It's a subscription service. I don't understand why have you "installed 
> it countless times"?

there's a lot you don't understand.

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#127741

From"David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org>
Date2019-01-24 00:03 +0000
Message-ID<Lh72E.100973$Yn2.99664@fx26.fr7>
In reply to#127737
On 23/01/2019 23:24, nospam wrote more *TROLL ANSWERS*

> In article <jw62E.42833$Xl2.9869@fx20.fr7>, David B. <
> B"@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> 
>>>> I'd like to know if ANYONE reading the Usenet groups has installed ClamXAV.
>>>
>>> Of course some people here have installed ClamXAV. I've done so
>>> countless times in the past myself, and am sure others have as well. The
>>> real question is why you care what other people do? I have. So what?
>>
>> You are the *FIRST* to admit that you have it on YOUR computer!
> 
> no, he's not the first.
> 
>> Did you read this thread of mine?
> 
> no need. it's the same garbage you spew here.
> 
>> It's a subscription service. I don't understand why have you "installed
>> it countless times"?
> 
> there's a lot you don't understand.

*PLONK*!

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#127742

FromBob Campbell <none@none.none>
Date2019-01-23 19:12 -0500
Message-ID<SeadnTJXWOJ1n9TBnZ2dnUU7-aednZ2d@supernews.com>
In reply to#127741
On 1/23/19 7:03 PM, David B. wrote:

>> there's a lot you don't understand.
> 
> *PLONK*!

Clearly, Plonk is yet another thing that The Village Idiot does not 
understand, as he has PLONKed you twice.

It is to laugh.

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#127743

From"David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org>
Date2019-01-24 00:16 +0000
Message-ID<lt72E.39085$0C.28771@fx02.fr7>
In reply to#127742
On 24/01/2019 00:12, Bob Campbell is yet *ANOTHER PLONKER*!

> On 1/23/19 7:03 PM, David B. wrote:
> 
>>> there's a lot you don't understand.
>>
>> *PLONK*!
> 
> Clearly, Plonk is yet another thing that The Village Idiot does not 
> understand, as he has PLONKed you twice.
> 
> It is to laugh.

Like you, he's forever whining, *PLONKER*!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plonk_(wine)

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#127744

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2019-01-23 19:24 -0500
Message-ID<230120191924100164%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#127743
In article <lt72E.39085$0C.28771@fx02.fr7>, David B. <
B"@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

> On 24/01/2019 00:12, Bob Campbell is yet *ANOTHER PLONKER*!
> 
> > On 1/23/19 7:03 PM, David B. wrote:
> > 
> >>> there's a lot you don't understand.
> >>
> >> *PLONK*!
> > 
> > Clearly, Plonk is yet another thing that The Village Idiot does not 
> > understand, as he has PLONKed you twice.
> > 
> > It is to laugh.
> 
> Like you, he's forever whining, *PLONKER*!
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plonk_(wine)

yep, it is to laugh.

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#127748

FromBob Campbell <none@none.none>
Date2019-01-24 00:20 -0500
Message-ID<Acqdncql7Nqs1tTBnZ2dnUU7-W2dnZ2d@supernews.com>
In reply to#127743
On 1/23/19 7:16 PM, David B. wrote:
> On 24/01/2019 00:12, Bob Campbell is yet *ANOTHER PLONKER*!
> 
>> On 1/23/19 7:03 PM, David B. wrote:
>>
>>>> there's a lot you don't understand.
>>>
>>> *PLONK*!
>>
>> Clearly, Plonk is yet another thing that The Village Idiot does not 
>> understand, as he has PLONKed you twice.
>>
>> It is to laugh.
> 
> Like you, he's forever whining, *PLONKER*!
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plonk_(wine)

Giggle.    Snort.   BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Look. The Village Idiot thinks he knows what PLONK means.

You are truly a fucking moron.

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#127772

FromPanthera Tigris Altaica <northentiger@outlook.com>
Date2019-01-25 13:11 -0500
Message-ID<q2fjg4$b6a$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#127748
On 2019-01-24 00:20, Bob Campbell wrote:
> On 1/23/19 7:16 PM, David B. wrote:
>> On 24/01/2019 00:12, Bob Campbell is yet *ANOTHER PLONKER*!
>>
>>> On 1/23/19 7:03 PM, David B. wrote:
>>>
>>>>> there's a lot you don't understand.
>>>>
>>>> *PLONK*!
>>>
>>> Clearly, Plonk is yet another thing that The Village Idiot does not 
>>> understand, as he has PLONKed you twice.

He does not know anything. He is so dim that he does not know that he 
does not know anything. He advertises how little he knows with his every 
post. He is so dim that he does not know that his every post shows just 
how dim he is. He has said that he deliberately tries to post to make 
himself look dimmer than he really is. He is so dim that he does not 
know that it is impossible to be dimmer than he really is.

>>>
>>> It is to laugh.
>>
>> Like you, he's forever whining, *PLONKER*!
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plonk_(wine)
> 
> Giggle.    Snort.   BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
> 
> Look. The Village Idiot thinks he knows what PLONK means.
> 
> You are truly a fucking moron.

That he is.

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#127745

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2019-01-24 01:11 +0000
Message-ID<gashlmFq4e3U2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#127736
On 2019-01-23, David B. <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> On 23/01/2019 21:48, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2019-01-23, David B. <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Here's a screenshot of much of what is contained in the installation
>>> package. There's no way that I could determine whether or not anything
>>> untoward is being installed!
>>>
>>> https://i.imgur.com/yELJvy8.png
>> 
>> There's no cause for you to be worried about something 'untoward"; but I
>> suspect you know this and are spreading FUD about it on purpose.
>> 
>>> I'd like to know if ANYONE reading the Usenet groups has installed ClamXAV.
>> 
>> Of course some people here have installed ClamXAV. I've done so
>> countless times in the past myself, and am sure others have as well. The
>> real question is why you care what other people do? I have. So what?
>
> You are the *FIRST* to admit that you have it on YOUR computer!
>
> Did you read this thread of mine?

No, why?

> It's a subscription service. I don't understand why have you "installed 
> it countless times"?

Nah. It's just an app. I have owned and used many computers in the last
decades. I don't keep track of trivial things like how many times I've
installed a harmless piece of software.

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