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Catalina is Out!

Started byIan DALGLEISH <ianmethyl@gmail.com>
First post2019-10-07 18:30 +0100
Last post2019-10-17 12:09 +0000
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  Catalina is Out! Ian DALGLEISH <ianmethyl@gmail.com> - 2019-10-07 18:30 +0100
    Re: Catalina is Out! Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> - 2019-10-07 17:59 +0000
    Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid> - 2019-10-07 23:04 +0100
    Re: Catalina is Out! deKay <andyk@lofi-gaming.org.uk> - 2019-10-08 07:23 +0100
      Re: Catalina is Out! Martin S Taylor <correspondence@mRaErMtOiVnEsTtHaIySlor.com> - 2019-10-08 09:36 +0100
    Re: Catalina is Out! Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> - 2019-10-08 07:18 +0000
      Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid> - 2019-10-08 08:36 +0100
        Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-08 07:14 -0400
          Re: Catalina is Out! deKay <andyk@lofi-gaming.org.uk> - 2019-10-08 14:53 +0100
            Re: Catalina is Out! Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2019-10-08 14:55 +0100
            Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-08 09:57 -0400
              Re: Catalina is Out! deKay <andyk@lofi-gaming.org.uk> - 2019-10-08 16:04 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-08 11:25 -0400
                  Re: Catalina is Out! Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2019-10-08 16:35 +0100
                    Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-08 12:14 -0400
                      Re: Catalina is Out! richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2019-10-08 16:28 +0000
                        Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-08 12:36 -0400
                        Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-09 03:42 -0700
                    Re: Catalina is Out! Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2019-10-08 17:21 +0100
                      Re: Catalina is Out! Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2019-10-08 17:44 +0100
                        Boxer 64 bit (was Re: Catalina is Out!) Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2019-10-08 18:19 +0100
                          Re: Boxer 64 bit (was Re: Catalina is Out!) Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2019-10-09 01:12 +0100
                            Re: Boxer 64 bit (was Re: Catalina is Out!) deKay <andyk@lofi-gaming.org.uk> - 2019-10-09 11:48 +0100
                      Re: Catalina is Out! deKay <andyk@lofi-gaming.org.uk> - 2019-10-09 11:24 +0100
                  Re: Catalina is Out! deKay <andyk@lofi-gaming.org.uk> - 2019-10-09 11:25 +0100
          Re: Catalina is Out! Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2019-10-08 08:15 -0700
            Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-08 11:25 -0400
              Re: Catalina is Out! Sidney Carton <SC@gmail.invalid> - 2019-10-08 16:41 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! Fred <fredbare@[127.0.0.1]> - 2019-10-08 17:06 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2019-10-08 17:08 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-08 12:14 -0400
                  Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid> - 2019-10-08 20:42 +0100
                    Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-08 16:06 -0400
                      Mistaken ID (was - Catalina is Out!) ~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid> - 2019-10-08 21:15 +0100
                        Re: Mistaken ID (was - Catalina is Out!) ~BD~ <BD@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-10-13 11:43 +0100
                    Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-09 03:50 -0700
                      Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid> - 2019-10-09 12:46 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! Panthera Tigris Altaica <northerntiger@outlook.com> - 2019-10-09 14:52 -0400
                  Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid> - 2019-10-09 19:57 +0100
                    Re: Catalina is Out! Panthera Tigris Altaica <northerntiger@outlook.com> - 2019-10-09 16:26 -0400
                  Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-09 15:04 -0400
            Re: Catalina is Out! Alan  B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> - 2019-10-08 15:48 +0000
            Re: Catalina is Out! Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> - 2019-10-08 19:55 +0000
              Re: Catalina is Out! Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> - 2019-10-12 08:56 +0000
                Re: Catalina is Out! Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> - 2019-10-12 09:13 +0000
                  Re: Catalina is Out! Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> - 2019-10-13 10:50 +0000
        Re: Catalina is Out! Panthera Tigris Altaica <northerntiger@outlook.com> - 2019-10-08 16:46 -0400
          Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid> - 2019-10-08 22:07 +0100
            Re: Catalina is Out! Panthera Tigris Altaica <northerntiger@outlook.com> - 2019-10-08 17:35 -0400
              Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid> - 2019-10-09 13:02 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! Panthera Tigris Altaica <northerntiger@outlook.com> - 2019-10-09 16:27 -0400
            Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-09 18:31 +0100
              Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-09 14:17 -0400
                Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-09 21:26 +0100
                  Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-09 16:54 -0400
                    Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-09 22:24 +0100
                      Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-10 07:44 -0400
                        Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-10 05:50 -0700
                        Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-10 15:41 +0100
                          Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-10 11:35 -0400
                            Re: Catalina is Out! Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> - 2019-10-10 17:52 +0100
                              Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-10 12:55 -0400
                              Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-11 02:46 -0700
                                Re: Catalina is Out! Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> - 2019-10-11 11:28 +0100
                                  Re: Catalina is Out! Sara Merriman <saramerriman@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2019-10-11 12:04 +0100
                                    Re: Catalina is Out! Mark <captain.black@gmail.com> - 2019-10-11 13:03 +0100
                                    Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-11 05:05 -0700
                                      Re: Catalina is Out! Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> - 2019-10-11 13:09 +0100
                            Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-10 18:01 +0100
                              Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-10 13:15 -0400
                                Re: Catalina is Out! Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> - 2019-10-10 18:36 +0000
                                  Re: Catalina is Out! Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2019-10-10 20:24 +0100
                                Re: Catalina is Out! RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> - 2019-10-11 06:11 +0100
                              Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-11 03:17 -0700
                                Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-11 16:45 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-10 04:20 -0700
                  Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid> - 2019-10-10 12:46 +0100
                  Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-10 15:34 +0100
                    Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-10 08:07 -0700
                      Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-10 16:18 +0100
                        Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-11 02:40 -0700
                          Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-11 16:40 +0100
                            Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-11 09:03 -0700
                              Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-11 17:13 +0100
                                Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-14 03:04 -0700
                                  Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-14 16:07 +0100
                                    Re: Catalina is Out! Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2019-10-14 08:14 -0700
                                      Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-14 20:23 +0100
                                        Re: Catalina is Out! Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> - 2019-10-14 20:32 +0100
                                    Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-10-14 17:31 +0100
                                      Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-14 20:24 +0100
                                        Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-10-14 20:29 +0100
                                          Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-14 21:44 +0100
                                            Re: Catalina is Out! Alan  B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> - 2019-10-14 20:49 +0000
                                              Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-14 22:05 +0100
                                                Re: Catalina is Out! Alan  B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> - 2019-10-14 21:26 +0000
                                                Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-10-14 23:39 +0100
                              Re: Catalina is Out! Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> - 2019-10-11 17:48 +0100
                      Re: Catalina is Out! Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> - 2019-10-10 16:29 +0100
              Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid> - 2019-10-09 22:33 +0100
              Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-10 04:14 -0700
                Re: Catalina is Out! Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> - 2019-10-10 12:25 +0100
                  Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-10 04:37 -0700
                    Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-10 07:44 -0400
                    Re: Catalina is Out! Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> - 2019-10-10 12:46 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-10 15:28 +0100
          Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-09 04:06 -0700
            Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-09 07:09 -0400
              Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid> - 2019-10-09 12:50 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-09 07:58 -0400
                  Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid> - 2019-10-09 13:05 +0100
                  Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-09 08:33 -0700
                    Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-09 12:17 -0400
                      Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-10 04:08 -0700
                        Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-10 07:44 -0400
                          Re: Catalina is Out! Panthera Tigris Altaica <northerntiger@outlook.com> - 2019-10-11 10:48 -0400
                            Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-11 08:45 -0700
                              Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid> - 2019-10-11 20:01 +0100
                            Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-11 11:49 -0400
                              Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-14 02:50 -0700
                            Re: Catalina is Out! richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2019-10-11 15:51 +0000
                              Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-11 12:15 -0400
                    Re: Catalina is Out! Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2019-10-09 09:25 -0700
                      Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid> - 2019-10-09 22:39 +0100
            Re: Catalina is Out! Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2019-10-09 17:03 +0100
              Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-10 03:58 -0700
                Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-10 07:44 -0400
                  Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-10 05:52 -0700
            Re: Catalina is Out! Panthera Tigris Altaica <northerntiger@outlook.com> - 2019-10-09 16:39 -0400
              Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-10 04:34 -0700
                Re: Catalina is Out! Panthera Tigris Altaica <northerntiger@outlook.com> - 2019-10-10 16:28 -0400
                  Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-11 03:20 -0700
                    Re: Catalina is Out! Panthera Tigris Altaica <northerntiger@outlook.com> - 2019-10-11 10:02 -0400
                      Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-11 08:41 -0700
                      Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid> - 2019-10-11 20:12 +0100
                        Re: Catalina is Out! Panthera Tigris Altaica <northerntiger@outlook.com> - 2019-10-11 16:31 -0400
                          Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid> - 2019-10-11 21:54 +0100
                          Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-10-15 10:51 +0100
                        Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-11 19:42 -0400
                          Re: Catalina is Out! RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> - 2019-10-12 15:11 +0100
                            Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <Bo@ter.nomail.invalid> - 2019-10-12 16:34 +0100
                          Re: Catalina is Out! Panthera Tigris Altaica <northerntiger@outlook.com> - 2019-10-16 13:07 -0400
    Re: Catalina is Out! Ian DALGLEISH <ianmethyl@gmail.com> - 2019-10-08 09:09 +0100
      Re: Catalina is Out! Martin S Taylor <correspondence@mRaErMtOiVnEsTtHaIySlor.com> - 2019-10-08 09:41 +0100
        Re: Catalina is Out! Ian DALGLEISH <ianmethyl@gmail.com> - 2019-10-08 10:25 +0100
      Re: Catalina is Out! Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> - 2019-10-08 09:03 +0000
        Re: Catalina is Out! Ian DALGLEISH <ianmethyl@gmail.com> - 2019-10-08 10:23 +0100
          Re: Catalina is Out! Alan  B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> - 2019-10-08 10:13 +0000
            Re: Catalina is Out! Ian DALGLEISH <ianmethyl@gmail.com> - 2019-10-08 13:34 +0100
              Re: Catalina is Out! Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2019-10-08 14:29 +0100
              Re: Catalina is Out! Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2019-10-08 14:53 +0100
    Re: Catalina is Out! Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2019-10-09 00:26 +0100
      Re: Catalina is Out! Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2019-10-09 01:13 +0100
      Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-08 19:33 -0400
      Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-09 18:32 +0100
        Re: Catalina is Out! Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2019-10-09 19:31 +0100
          Re: Catalina is Out! Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> - 2019-10-09 19:05 +0000
            Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-09 15:09 -0400
              Re: Catalina is Out! Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> - 2019-10-09 19:13 +0000
                Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-09 15:18 -0400
    Re: Catalina is Out! Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2019-10-08 18:10 +0100
    Re: Catalina is Out! Mark <captain.black@gmail.com> - 2019-10-16 22:15 +0000
      Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-17 05:05 -0700
        Re: Catalina is Out! Mark <captain.black@gmail.com> - 2019-10-17 12:09 +0000

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#134886

Fromwhisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com>
Date2019-10-10 04:14 -0700
Message-ID<b69d931d-d443-4204-81d5-28ffa5e6ccfc@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#134840
On Wednesday, 9 October 2019 18:31:26 UTC+1, Andy Hewitt  wrote:

> If you really want to define 'computer' to the silliest level, start 
> counting on your fingers - where do you thing the term 'digital' came from?

I'm not sure that is proves humans are digital computers.

Despite not being catholic I had a Bishops Finger at the weekend ;-)

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#134888

FromGraeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk>
Date2019-10-10 12:25 +0100
Message-ID<qnn4fs$bsr$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#134886
On 10/10/2019 12:14, whisky-dave wrote:
> On Wednesday, 9 October 2019 18:31:26 UTC+1, Andy Hewitt  wrote:
> 
>> If you really want to define 'computer' to the silliest level, start
>> counting on your fingers - where do you thing the term 'digital' came from?
> 
> I'm not sure that is proves humans are digital computers.
> 
> Despite not being catholic I had a Bishops Finger at the weekend ;-)
> 

A computer is a man who does the sums in an office.

-- 
Graeme Wall
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#134890

Fromwhisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com>
Date2019-10-10 04:37 -0700
Message-ID<98ead278-dd5a-4237-92ce-1d72da1a3e73@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#134888
On Thursday, 10 October 2019 12:25:50 UTC+1, Graeme Wall  wrote:
> On 10/10/2019 12:14, whisky-dave wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 9 October 2019 18:31:26 UTC+1, Andy Hewitt  wrote:
> > 
> >> If you really want to define 'computer' to the silliest level, start
> >> counting on your fingers - where do you thing the term 'digital' came from?
> > 
> > I'm not sure that is proves humans are digital computers.
> > 
> > Despite not being catholic I had a Bishops Finger at the weekend ;-)
> > 
> 
> A computer is a man who does the sums in an office.

So women can't be a computer ?, even though you can punch information into them ;-) ?

> 
> -- 
> Graeme Wall
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#134894

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2019-10-10 07:44 -0400
Message-ID<101020190744320070%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#134890
In article <98ead278-dd5a-4237-92ce-1d72da1a3e73@googlegroups.com>,
whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> 
> So women can't be a computer ?,

they used to be

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#134896

FromGraeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk>
Date2019-10-10 12:46 +0100
Message-ID<qnn5mm$id5$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#134890
On 10/10/2019 12:37, whisky-dave wrote:
> On Thursday, 10 October 2019 12:25:50 UTC+1, Graeme Wall  wrote:
>> On 10/10/2019 12:14, whisky-dave wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, 9 October 2019 18:31:26 UTC+1, Andy Hewitt  wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you really want to define 'computer' to the silliest level, start
>>>> counting on your fingers - where do you thing the term 'digital' came from?
>>>
>>> I'm not sure that is proves humans are digital computers.
>>>
>>> Despite not being catholic I had a Bishops Finger at the weekend ;-)
>>>
>>
>> A computer is a man who does the sums in an office.
> 
> So women can't be a computer ?
> 

Sorry sub man/person.


-- 
Graeme Wall
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#134903

FromAndy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com>
Date2019-10-10 15:28 +0100
Message-ID<qnnf5s$cn6$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#134886
On 10/10/2019 12:14, whisky-dave wrote:
> On Wednesday, 9 October 2019 18:31:26 UTC+1, Andy Hewitt  wrote:
> 
>> If you really want to define 'computer' to the silliest level, start
>> counting on your fingers - where do you thing the term 'digital' came from?
> 
> I'm not sure that is proves humans are digital computers.

No, we're analogue ;-)

> Despite not being catholic I had a Bishops Finger at the weekend ;-)

Not had one of those for a while myself, by I am partial to such a thing ;-)

-- 
Andy Hewitt

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#134811

Fromwhisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com>
Date2019-10-09 04:06 -0700
Message-ID<d6e00bdc-3107-4db7-be3b-a5c3a8e484c7@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#134799
On Tuesday, 8 October 2019 21:44:41 UTC+1, Panthera Tigris Altaica  wrote:
> On 2019-10-08 03:36, ~BD~ wrote:
> > On 08/10/2019 08:18, Alan B wrote:
> >> Ian DALGLEISH <ianmethyl@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> My download went so slowly and kept losing the network connection so I
> >>> cancelled it and will wait until tomorrow morning.
> >>
> >> Downloaded but have created a stand alone installer on a USB stick 
> >> with the
> >> intention of doing a clean install and re-install only those apps I 
> >> really
> >> want right now. I have a TM backup so can put back my documents and other
> >> data not stored in the cloud. MacSOUP seemed to be the only 32 bit app on
> >> Mojave but I’ve weaned myself off that now!
> > 
> > You appear to have used this App to post your message .....
> > 
> > https://apps.apple.com/us/app/newstap-usenet-newsreader/id292410356
> > 
> > As far as I'm aware, one cannot use NewsTap on an Apple *computer*.
> 
> An iOS device _is_ an Apple computer, you imbecile.

No it's an iOS device the two are quite differnt, if you understand a bit about technologies.
What about an ipod is that also a computer and a smartphone and a tablet.
For most there are definitions between devices that are for some seem very alike. Is a washing machine microwave oven and a TV also computer ?
Therefor a bus can be the same as a train which is the same as a car, which is the same as a carriage, which is the same as a coach, which is the same as a wagon, which is the same as a bike or bicycle, because all are modes of transport.

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#134812

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2019-10-09 07:09 -0400
Message-ID<091020190709549939%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#134811
In article <d6e00bdc-3107-4db7-be3b-a5c3a8e484c7@googlegroups.com>,
whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:


> > > 
> > > As far as I'm aware, one cannot use NewsTap on an Apple *computer*.
> > 
> > An iOS device _is_ an Apple computer, you imbecile.
> 
> No it's an iOS device the two are quite differnt, if you understand a bit
> about technologies.

those who understand technology realize that they are both computers,
both running variants of os x.

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#134815

From~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid>
Date2019-10-09 12:50 +0100
Message-ID<yQjnF.145631$4y1.45233@fx01.fr7>
In reply to#134812
On 09/10/2019 12:09, nospam wrote:
> In article <d6e00bdc-3107-4db7-be3b-a5c3a8e484c7@googlegroups.com>,
> whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>>>>
>>>> As far as I'm aware, one cannot use NewsTap on an Apple *computer*.
>>>
>>> An iOS device _is_ an Apple computer, you imbecile.
>>
>> No it's an iOS device the two are quite different, if you understand a bit
>> about technologies.
> 
> those who understand technology realize that they are both computers,
> both running variants of os x.

Dave understands technology - AND he thinks like a Brit!

And he doesn't think that I've changed my nym!

So you are now wrong on two counts, nobrain! :-P

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#134816

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2019-10-09 07:58 -0400
Message-ID<091020190758294875%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#134815
In article <yQjnF.145631$4y1.45233@fx01.fr7>, ~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid>
wrote:

> >>>> As far as I'm aware, one cannot use NewsTap on an Apple *computer*.
> >>>
> >>> An iOS device _is_ an Apple computer, you imbecile.
> >>
> >> No it's an iOS device the two are quite different, if you understand a bit
> >> about technologies.
> > 
> > those who understand technology realize that they are both computers,
> > both running variants of os x.
> 
> Dave understands technology

clearly not.

> - AND he thinks like a Brit!

irrelevant.

> And he doesn't think that I've changed my nym!

except that you did.

> So you are now wrong on two counts,

nope, but you're wrong on many, many, many more.

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#134819

From~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid>
Date2019-10-09 13:05 +0100
Message-ID<12knF.117198$vE1.76011@fx05.fr7>
In reply to#134816
On 09/10/2019 12:58, nospam wrote:
> In article <yQjnF.145631$4y1.45233@fx01.fr7>, ~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid>
> wrote:
> 
>>>>>> As far as I'm aware, one cannot use NewsTap on an Apple *computer*.
>>>>>
>>>>> An iOS device _is_ an Apple computer, you imbecile.
>>>>
>>>> No it's an iOS device the two are quite different, if you understand a bit
>>>> about technologies.
>>>
>>> those who understand technology realize that they are both computers,
>>> both running variants of os x.
>>
>> Dave understands technology
> 
> clearly not.

*WRONG* - no cigar!

>> - AND he thinks like a Brit!
> 
> irrelevant.
> 
>> And he doesn't think that I've changed my nym!
> 
> except that you did.

Prove that to Whisky-Dave!

>> So you are now wrong on two counts,
> 
> nope, but you're wrong on many, many, many more.

How about some examples?

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#134826

Fromwhisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com>
Date2019-10-09 08:33 -0700
Message-ID<1b6e8d0a-e466-4b31-bd87-5f37bac0cf7c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#134816
On Wednesday, 9 October 2019 12:58:31 UTC+1, nospam  wrote:
> In article <yQjnF.145631$4y1.45233@fx01.fr7>, ~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid>
> wrote:
> 
> > >>>> As far as I'm aware, one cannot use NewsTap on an Apple *computer*.
> > >>>
> > >>> An iOS device _is_ an Apple computer, you imbecile.
> > >>
> > >> No it's an iOS device the two are quite different, if you understand a bit
> > >> about technologies.
> > > 
> > > those who understand technology realize that they are both computers,
> > > both running variants of os x.
> > 
> > Dave understands technology
> 
> clearly not.

I clearly do.

Would you say a washing machine is a computer, I guess you would.
How about a dyson hair dryer.


 
> > - AND he thinks like a Brit!
> 
> irrelevant.

Mostly although there are some differencies, such as americans can;t spell colour, and don't drive on the correct side of the road.


> > And he doesn't think that I've changed my nym!
> 
> except that you did.

I didn't notice any change from his previous ~BD~
and from that pretty much guessed the person ID.
Which is quite differnt from saying there was no change.
Perhaps BD posted in the nude, I couldn't tell from the post or it's headers.

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#134831

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2019-10-09 12:17 -0400
Message-ID<091020191217568888%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#134826
In article <1b6e8d0a-e466-4b31-bd87-5f37bac0cf7c@googlegroups.com>,
whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > >>>> As far as I'm aware, one cannot use NewsTap on an Apple *computer*.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> An iOS device _is_ an Apple computer, you imbecile.
> > > >>
> > > >> No it's an iOS device the two are quite different, if you understand a
> > > >> bit
> > > >> about technologies.
> > > > 
> > > > those who understand technology realize that they are both computers,
> > > > both running variants of os x.
> > > 
> > > Dave understands technology
> > 
> > clearly not.
> 
> I clearly do.

no you clearly don't

iphones and ipads are computers, running variants of os x.

> Would you say a washing machine is a computer, I guess you would.
> How about a dyson hair dryer.

irrelevant.

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#134885

Fromwhisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com>
Date2019-10-10 04:08 -0700
Message-ID<6f361c1d-6e24-48ad-9f32-b82295c6c6a5@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#134831
On Wednesday, 9 October 2019 17:17:57 UTC+1, nospam  wrote:
> In article <1b6e8d0a-e466-4b31-bd87-5f37bac0cf7c@googlegroups.com>,
> whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > > > >>>> As far as I'm aware, one cannot use NewsTap on an Apple *computer*.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> An iOS device _is_ an Apple computer, you imbecile.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> No it's an iOS device the two are quite different, if you understand a
> > > > >> bit
> > > > >> about technologies.
> > > > > 
> > > > > those who understand technology realize that they are both computers,
> > > > > both running variants of os x.
> > > > 
> > > > Dave understands technology
> > > 
> > > clearly not.
> > 
> > I clearly do.
> 
> no you clearly don't
> 
> iphones and ipads are computers, running variants of os x.

They contain microprosessors just like computers and washing machines.
oth can be programmmed by a user but this does not make them the same device.
 In the future perhaps all devices will be the same and called a 'fing'.

And everyone would by a 'fing' and that fing could be used as a computer is today or as a washing machine is used today or a phone, of a automated sex doll.

People that know the use of each product can tell the differnce others won't.

Lets see if you can get swift working on an iphone so you can write an app on your phone for the phone.


It'll be similar from knowing the difernce between an automaton and robot and a cyborg.


 

> 
> > Would you say a washing machine is a computer, I guess you would.
> > How about a dyson hair dryer.
> 
> irrelevant.

Relevant

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#134893

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2019-10-10 07:44 -0400
Message-ID<101020190744310018%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#134885
In article <6f361c1d-6e24-48ad-9f32-b82295c6c6a5@googlegroups.com>,
whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> 
> They contain microprosessors just like computers and washing machines.
> oth can be programmmed by a user but this does not make them the same device.

washing machines can't be programmed by a user. it's not possible to
write apps for it. 

go learn the difference between an embedded microcontroller and a
general purpose computer.




> Lets see if you can get swift working on an iphone so you can write an app on
> your phone for the phone.

swift playground works on an ipad and has been made to work on an
iphone, not that it matters.

when the mac first came out, it required a lisa to write apps. it
wasn't for another year or two until mac native development tools began
to appear.

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#134946

FromPanthera Tigris Altaica <northerntiger@outlook.com>
Date2019-10-11 10:48 -0400
Message-ID<qnq4km$tl$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#134893
On 2019-10-10 07:44, nospam wrote:
> In article <6f361c1d-6e24-48ad-9f32-b82295c6c6a5@googlegroups.com>,
> whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>
>> They contain microprosessors just like computers and washing machines.
>> oth can be programmmed by a user but this does not make them the same device.
> 
> washing machines can't be programmed by a user. it's not possible to
> write apps for it.

Actually, there are 'smart' washing machines which _can_ have apps 
written for them. 
https://www.howtogeek.com/236286/what-is-a-smart-washer-and-do-i-need-one/

Most 'smart' washing machines require a cell phone or a computer on the 
network to provide the app, but some really do have storage and can have 
apps run directly on the washing machine.

I have a 'smart' washing machine. I disabled the wireless connection as 
soon as I had it set up. It no longer connects to the network.

> 
> go learn the difference between an embedded microcontroller and a
> general purpose computer.

He's clueless.

> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Lets see if you can get swift working on an iphone so you can write an app on
>> your phone for the phone.
> 
> swift playground works on an ipad and has been made to work on an
> iphone, not that it matters.

Yes. https://www.apple.com/swift/playgrounds/ Apple appears to think 
that an iPad is a computer. Perhaps he should correct them.

> 
> when the mac first came out, it required a lisa to write apps. it
> wasn't for another year or two until mac native development tools began
> to appear.
> 

I had the original 'phone book' documentation, and MPW (Macintosh 
Programmer's Workshop) with the Apple-provided Pascal and C++ compilers 
in 1986, and within 18 months, 3rd-party FORTRAN and Modula-2 compilers. 
I used to, among other things, write FORTRAN applications for my then 
day job, on a large supermini which cost several hundred thousand 
dollars. The Mac I used was a MacIIsi which had a 32-bit 68030 running 
at 20 MHz, 17 MB RAM, 80 MB internal disk, 300 MB external disk, and 
cost several thousand dollars, or about 1% of the cost of the supermini. 
The supermini had a 24-bit, 8 MHz, CPU, 6 MB RAM plus 5 MB VM, and 300 
MB storage. It was faster to write the base code on the Mac, dump it to 
the supermini (though that was painful and involved serial cables) and 
tweak it on the supermini than to write the code on the supermini. 
Certain people said that the Mac was a toy. They shut up when they saw 
that I got my code done in far less time and with far less effort using 
the toy than they could using the real tools on the real computer. 
MacProject did a better job, faster, and far cheaper as I got it for 
_free_ from Apple, than did the crude even for the time project 
management tools on the supermini, which meant that I could and did 
_organise_ my tasks better than they could. And MS Word and MacWrite 
were better writing tools than were available on the supermini; an 
Imagewriter was slower than the printer the supermini used, but gave 
acceptable output and was actually quieter than the big printer.

But, hey, according to some desktop computers were toys. Idiots.

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#134951

Fromwhisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com>
Date2019-10-11 08:45 -0700
Message-ID<e026d3ae-aa4c-4f1a-a005-280de7934469@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#134946
On Friday, 11 October 2019 15:46:48 UTC+1, Panthera Tigris Altaica  wrote:
> On 2019-10-10 07:44, nospam wrote:
> > In article <6f361c1d-6e24-48ad-9f32-b82295c6c6a5@googlegroups.com>,
> > whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> >>
> >> They contain microprosessors just like computers and washing machines.
> >> oth can be programmmed by a user but this does not make them the same device.
> > 
> > washing machines can't be programmed by a user. it's not possible to
> > write apps for it.
> 
> Actually, there are 'smart' washing machines which _can_ have apps 
> written for them. 
> https://www.howtogeek.com/236286/what-is-a-smart-washer-and-do-i-need-one/
> 
> Most 'smart' washing machines require a cell phone or a computer 

what's teh OR hre I thought yuo said a phone and a computer are the same.



> 
> I have a 'smart' washing machine.

Certainly smarter than you.

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#134961

From~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid>
Date2019-10-11 20:01 +0100
Message-ID<Fk4oF.145635$4y1.34214@fx01.fr7>
In reply to#134951
On 11/10/2019 16:45, whisky-dave wrote:
> On Friday, 11 October 2019 15:46:48 UTC+1, Panthera Tigris Altaica  wrote:
>> On 2019-10-10 07:44, nospam wrote:
>>> In article <6f361c1d-6e24-48ad-9f32-b82295c6c6a5@googlegroups.com>,
>>> whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> They contain microprosessors just like computers and washing machines.
>>>> oth can be programmmed by a user but this does not make them the same device.
>>>
>>> washing machines can't be programmed by a user. it's not possible to
>>> write apps for it.
>>
>> Actually, there are 'smart' washing machines which _can_ have apps
>> written for them.
>> https://www.howtogeek.com/236286/what-is-a-smart-washer-and-do-i-need-one/
>>
>> Most 'smart' washing machines require a cell phone or a computer
> 
> what's the OR hre - I thought you said a phone and a computer are the same.

He did! ;-)

>> I have a 'smart' washing machine.
> 
> Certainly smarter than you.

Now, now! :-D

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#134953

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2019-10-11 11:49 -0400
Message-ID<111020191149411195%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#134946
In article <qnq4km$tl$1@dont-email.me>, Panthera Tigris Altaica
<northerntiger@outlook.com> wrote:

> >>
> >> They contain microprosessors just like computers and washing machines.
> >> oth can be programmmed by a user but this does not make them the same
> >> device.
> > 
> > washing machines can't be programmed by a user. it's not possible to
> > write apps for it.
> 
> Actually, there are 'smart' washing machines which _can_ have apps 
> written for them. 
> https://www.howtogeek.com/236286/what-is-a-smart-washer-and-do-i-need-one/
>
> Most 'smart' washing machines require a cell phone or a computer on the 
> network to provide the app, but some really do have storage and can have 
> apps run directly on the washing machine.

running an app on a phone to control a washer is different than running
apps on the washer itself, which can't do much more than time and
sequence wash cycles.

when washers can get email apps, browsers, games, video players, etc.,
then it can be considered to run apps.

> I have a 'smart' washing machine. I disabled the wireless connection as 
> soon as I had it set up. It no longer connects to the network.

it's no doubt sending usage data somewhere...

> > go learn the difference between an embedded microcontroller and a
> > general purpose computer.
> 
> He's clueless.

yes, and not just this.

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#135054

Fromwhisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com>
Date2019-10-14 02:50 -0700
Message-ID<f3ec7b06-410b-4ee2-9a00-8872cad3e1f9@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#134953
On Friday, 11 October 2019 16:49:42 UTC+1, nospam  wrote:
> In article <qnq4km$tl$1@dont-email.me>, Panthera Tigris Altaica
> <northerntiger@outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> > >>
> > >> They contain microprosessors just like computers and washing machines.
> > >> oth can be programmmed by a user but this does not make them the same
> > >> device.
> > > 
> > > washing machines can't be programmed by a user. it's not possible to
> > > write apps for it.
> > 
> > Actually, there are 'smart' washing machines which _can_ have apps 
> > written for them. 
> > https://www.howtogeek.com/236286/what-is-a-smart-washer-and-do-i-need-one/
> >
> > Most 'smart' washing machines require a cell phone or a computer on the 
> > network to provide the app, but some really do have storage and can have 
> > apps run directly on the washing machine.
> 
> running an app on a phone to control a washer is different than running
> apps on the washer itself, which can't do much more than time and
> sequence wash cycles.

That would depend on the app.

> 
> when washers can get email apps, browsers, games, video players, etc.,
> then it can be considered to run apps.

but then your washer will be called a computer won't it.
And you'll be able to run photoshop on your washer, who doesn't want that option ?



> > I have a 'smart' washing machine. I disabled the wireless connection as 
> > soon as I had it set up. It no longer connects to the network.
> 
> it's no doubt sending usage data somewhere...

 SMS skid mark service.
Who want the state of their washing send as data ;-)

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