Re: iCloud or their cloud?

From	RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com>
Newsgroups	uk.comp.sys.mac
Subject	Re: iCloud or their cloud?
Date	2025-02-23 06:23 +0000
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On 22 Feb 2025 at 09:36:59 GMT, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:

> On 22 Feb 2025 at 08:44:03 GMT, "RJH" <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Having listened to various radio reports, nobody's answered the question: why
>> didn't Apple refuse to capitulate?
> 
> Mostly as Chris said. Plus I'm not really keen on tech companies
> whimsically disobeying national laws (even though in this case the law
> is absolutely fucking stupid).
> 

Well, that's the point - stupid law. And the lack of discussion/presentation
of any evidence. Does weaking privacy lead to a safer society? It may - but
let's talk about it.

>>  In much the same way as they refused FBI
>> access a few years ago.
> 
> Completely different situation tech-wise and legally.
> 

Oh OK - I meant what looks like caving in to government, rather than any
technical or legal similarity.

>> For myself, I'm not sure how to challenge the decision. Stiff letter to my MP?
> 
> Yes.
> 
> Also the point that almost no-one *used* ADP since it's not a default is
> illuminating... if you didn't have it enabled already, why freak out
> that it's no longer allowed?
> 

Yes, thanks - TBH, hadn't realised that - it is (of course) 'off' on my system
:-)

> I do roll my eyes when "Apple is legally required to disable optional
> feature that few use" gets so many headlines and handwringing, when
> "Google is already actively violating privacy laws and sells all your
> usage data" doesn't.
> https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/googles-new-policy-tracks-all-your-devices-with-no-opt-out/

Yes OK, doesn't make it right.

And I also don't buy the 'I've nothing to hide' argument presented elsewhere
in this thread. Plenty of miscarriages of justice where authorities make the
innocent appear guilty (Bham 6 etc.). An AI scan of my data could easily set
me up as a suspect for any of a number of crimes. Just compile
means/motive/opportunity. All I have to do is piss off those authorities . . .

-- 
Cheers, Rob, Sheffield UK

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