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Trump Orders "Don't Mention Climate Change!"

Started bybks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman)
First post2025-03-14 16:25 -0400
Last post2025-03-15 09:52 -0400
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  Trump Orders "Don't Mention Climate Change!" bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) - 2025-03-14 16:25 -0400
    Re: Trump Orders "Don't Mention Climate Change!" Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> - 2025-03-14 13:45 -0700
    Re: Trump Orders "Don't Mention Climate Change!" bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) - 2025-03-14 22:29 +0000
      Re: Trump Orders "Don't Mention Climate Change!" bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) - 2025-03-15 13:14 +0000
        Re: Trump Orders "Don't Mention Climate Change!" NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> - 2025-03-15 09:53 -0400
          Re: Trump Orders "Don't Mention Climate Change!" bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) - 2025-03-15 13:55 +0000
            Re: Trump Orders "Don't Mention Climate Change!" bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) - 2025-03-15 21:22 +0000
              Re: Trump Orders "Don't Mention Climate Change!" pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-15 22:10 +0000
              Re: Trump Orders "Don't Mention Climate Change!" bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) - 2025-03-15 23:00 +0000
                Re: Trump Orders "Don't Mention Climate Change!" bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) - 2025-03-16 12:48 +0000
                Re: Trump Orders "Don't Mention Climate Change!" NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> - 2025-03-16 09:15 -0400
                  Re: Trump Orders "Don't Mention Climate Change!" bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) - 2025-03-16 14:26 +0000
                    Re: Trump Orders "Don't Mention Climate Change!" NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> - 2025-03-17 07:09 -0400
            Re: Trump Orders "Don't Mention Climate Change!" NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> - 2025-03-16 09:14 -0400
          Re: Trump Orders "Don't Mention Climate Change!" Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> - 2025-03-15 07:28 -0700
        Re: Trump Orders "Don't Mention Climate Change!" Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-03-15 21:33 -0400
          Re: Trump Orders "Don't Mention Climate Change!" c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-15 23:05 -0400
          Re: Trump Orders "Don't Mention Climate Change!" Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> - 2025-03-15 21:18 -0700
    Re: Trump Orders "Don't Mention Climate Change!" JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> - 2025-03-14 23:43 +0000
    Re: Trump Orders "Don't Mention Climate Change!" NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> - 2025-03-15 09:52 -0400

#1177011 — Trump Orders "Don't Mention Climate Change!"

Frombks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman)
Date2025-03-14 16:25 -0400
SubjectTrump Orders "Don't Mention Climate Change!"
Message-ID<vr23c3$5ra$1@panix3.panix.com>
 | 
 | Evacuation order issued for eastern Oklahoma County as
 | fires rage
 | 
 | The fires are fueled by strong winds that have moved
 | through Oklahoma all day Friday.
 | ...
<https://www.koco.com/article/oklahoma-county-fire-evacuation-order/64189586>

    --bks

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#1177013

FromSiri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com>
Date2025-03-14 13:45 -0700
Message-ID<vr24hi$220ij$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#1177011
Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>   |
>   | Evacuation order issued for eastern Oklahoma County as
>   | fires rage
>   |
>   | The fires are fueled by strong winds that have moved
>   | through Oklahoma all day Friday.
>   | ...
> <https://www.koco.com/article/oklahoma-county-fire-evacuation-order/64189586>
> 
>      --bks
> 

Rake your forests?

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#1177020

Frombks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman)
Date2025-03-14 22:29 +0000
Message-ID<vr2ajn$epg$1@reader1.panix.com>
In reply to#1177011
> | Evacuation order issued for eastern Oklahoma County as
> | fires rage

Dictator Trump has called for the Sharpie Of Power!
 | 
 | Live Updates: Massive Storm Unleashes Fires, Flooding, Rare
 | 'High' Tornado Threat
 | ...
<https://weather.com/news/weather/news/2025-03-14-live-updates-severe-weather-winter-wind-storm>

    --bks

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#1177086

Frombks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman)
Date2025-03-15 13:14 +0000
Message-ID<vr3ugi$cd$3@reader1.panix.com>
In reply to#1177020
>> | Evacuation order issued for eastern Oklahoma County as
>> | fires rage

> | Live Updates: Massive Storm Unleashes Fires, Flooding, Rare
> | 'High' Tornado Threat

 | ... 
 | In the region around Lubbock and Amarillo in Texas, Highway
 | Patrol officials reported more than three dozen car
 | crashes. Preliminary reports showed that at least four
 | people had died in crashes in the Amarillo region,
 | according to Sgt. Cindy Barkley with the Texas Department
 | of Public Safety.
 | 
 | Images on social media showed a dystopian view of the area.
 | Emergency workers were confronting a heavy dust storm as
 | they went car by car looking for anyone trapped inside. A
 | man taking one of the videos could be heard saying, "You
 | want to go to Mars? This is Mars."
 | ...
<https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/14/us/wildfires-texas-oklahoma.html>

    --bks

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#1177106

FromNoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com>
Date2025-03-15 09:53 -0400
Message-ID<sh1btjpn6618uc6cg60e1tibl1d1684ap2@4ax.com>
In reply to#1177086
On Sat, 15 Mar 2025 13:14:58 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley K.
Sherman) wrote:

>>> | Evacuation order issued for eastern Oklahoma County as
>>> | fires rage
>
>> | Live Updates: Massive Storm Unleashes Fires, Flooding, Rare
>> | 'High' Tornado Threat
>
> | ... 
> | In the region around Lubbock and Amarillo in Texas, Highway
> | Patrol officials reported more than three dozen car
> | crashes. Preliminary reports showed that at least four
> | people had died in crashes in the Amarillo region,
> | according to Sgt. Cindy Barkley with the Texas Department
> | of Public Safety.
> | 
> | Images on social media showed a dystopian view of the area.
> | Emergency workers were confronting a heavy dust storm as
> | they went car by car looking for anyone trapped inside. A
> | man taking one of the videos could be heard saying, "You
> | want to go to Mars? This is Mars."
> | ...
><https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/14/us/wildfires-texas-oklahoma.html>
>
>    --bks

Funny that you fine with the huge Canadian forrest fires under the
Trump administration now it's somehow Trump's fault.

You're pathetic.

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#1177107

Frombks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman)
Date2025-03-15 13:55 +0000
Message-ID<vr40si$r9n$1@reader1.panix.com>
In reply to#1177106
>>>> | Evacuation order issued for eastern Oklahoma County as
>>>> | fires rage

>>> | Live Updates: Massive Storm Unleashes Fires, Flooding, Rare
>>> | 'High' Tornado Threat

>> | In the region around Lubbock and Amarillo in Texas, Highway
>> | Patrol officials reported more than three dozen car
>> | crashes. Preliminary reports showed that at least four
>> | people had died in crashes in the Amarillo region,
>> | according to Sgt. Cindy Barkley with the Texas Department
>> | of Public Safety.
>> | 
>> | Images on social media showed a dystopian view of the area.
>> | Emergency workers were confronting a heavy dust storm as
>> | they went car by car looking for anyone trapped inside. A
>> | man taking one of the videos could be heard saying, "You
>> | want to go to Mars? This is Mars."

 | 
 | Monster storm across the US sparks threat of tornadoes and
 | fire, killing at least five people
 | ... 
<https://apnews.com/article/tornadoes-wildfires-deaths-eb53f6b2463a96b18a08ca9e2db266ab>

    --bks

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#1177169

Frombks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman)
Date2025-03-15 21:22 +0000
Message-ID<vr4r20$mlr$2@reader1.panix.com>
In reply to#1177107
>>>>> | Evacuation order issued for eastern Oklahoma County as
>>>>> | fires rage

>>>> | Live Updates: Massive Storm Unleashes Fires, Flooding, Rare
>>>> | 'High' Tornado Threat

>>> | Images on social media showed a dystopian view of the area.
>>> | Emergency workers were confronting a heavy dust storm as
>>> | they went car by car looking for anyone trapped inside. A
>>> | man taking one of the videos could be heard saying, "You
>>> | want to go to Mars? This is Mars."

 | 
 | Tornado outbreak live updates: 30 tornadoes reported in
 | several states, 28 dead
 | ...
<https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/tornado-outbreak-live-updates-18-dead-dozens-injured/?id=119832914>

    --bks

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#1177172

Frompothead <pothead@snakebite.com>
Date2025-03-15 22:10 +0000
Message-ID<vr4tro$ph6e$3@paganini.bofh.team>
In reply to#1177169
> | Tornado outbreak live updates: 30 tornadoes reported in
> | several states, 28 dead
> | ...
><https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/tornado-outbreak-live-updates-18-d
>ead-dozens-injured/?id=119832914> 
>
>    --bks
>

God's punishment for supporting Trump.

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#1177174

Frombks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman)
Date2025-03-15 23:00 +0000
Message-ID<vr50ra$gkq$2@reader1.panix.com>
In reply to#1177169
>>>>>> | Evacuation order issued for eastern Oklahoma County as
>>>>>> | fires rage

>>>> | Images on social media showed a dystopian view of the area.
>>>> | Emergency workers were confronting a heavy dust storm as
>>>> | they went car by car looking for anyone trapped inside. A
>>>> | man taking one of the videos could be heard saying, "You
>>>> | want to go to Mars? This is Mars."

> | Tornado outbreak live updates: 30 tornadoes reported in
> | several states, 28 dead

 | 
 | Earthquake strikes Mississippi as tornadoes tear through
 | state
 | ... 
<https://www.aol.com/earthquake-strikes-mississippi-tornadoes-tear-202036316.html>

    --bks

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#1177266

Frombks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman)
Date2025-03-16 12:48 +0000
Message-ID<vr6hau$37a$2@reader1.panix.com>
In reply to#1177174
>>>>>>> | Evacuation order issued for eastern Oklahoma County as
>>>>>>> | fires rage

>>>>> | Images on social media showed a dystopian view of the area.
>>>>> | Emergency workers were confronting a heavy dust storm as
>>>>> | they went car by car looking for anyone trapped inside. A
>>>>> | man taking one of the videos could be heard saying, "You
>>>>> | want to go to Mars? This is Mars."

> | Earthquake strikes Mississippi as tornadoes tear through
> | state

 |
 | Over 30 dead from monster storm system charging across US,
 | spawning violent tornadoes, dust storm, blizzard 
 | ...
<https://www.foxweather.com/weather-news/severe-weather-tornadoes-dust-storm-blizzard-midwest-plains-southeast-east-coast>

    --bks

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#1177279

FromNoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com>
Date2025-03-16 09:15 -0400
Message-ID<7mjdtjtbg71o2o7q3opts56md1v5hd0gf1@4ax.com>
In reply to#1177174
On Sat, 15 Mar 2025 23:00:58 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley K.
Sherman) wrote:

>>>>>>> | Evacuation order issued for eastern Oklahoma County as
>>>>>>> | fires rage
>
>>>>> | Images on social media showed a dystopian view of the area.
>>>>> | Emergency workers were confronting a heavy dust storm as
>>>>> | they went car by car looking for anyone trapped inside. A
>>>>> | man taking one of the videos could be heard saying, "You
>>>>> | want to go to Mars? This is Mars."
>
>> | Tornado outbreak live updates: 30 tornadoes reported in
>> | several states, 28 dead
>
> | 
> | Earthquake strikes Mississippi as tornadoes tear through
> | state
> | ... 
><https://www.aol.com/earthquake-strikes-mississippi-tornadoes-tear-202036316.html>
>
>    --bks

Now earthquakes are climate change???

Laughter.

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#1177287

Frombks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman)
Date2025-03-16 14:26 +0000
Message-ID<vr6n23$bvm$1@reader1.panix.com>
In reply to#1177279
Kremlin Girl  <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> | Evacuation order issued for eastern Oklahoma County as
>>>>>>>> | fires rage
>>
>>>>>> | Images on social media showed a dystopian view of the area.
>>>>>> | Emergency workers were confronting a heavy dust storm as
>>>>>> | they went car by car looking for anyone trapped inside. A
>>>>>> | man taking one of the videos could be heard saying, "You
>>>>>> | want to go to Mars? This is Mars."
>>
>>> | Tornado outbreak live updates: 30 tornadoes reported in
>>> | several states, 28 dead
>> | 
>> | Earthquake strikes Mississippi as tornadoes tear through
>> | state
>
>Now earthquakes are climate change???

 | 
 | How Climate Change Could Trigger Earthquakes
 | 
 | Climate change may influence seismic activity as melting
 | glaciers reduce pressure on quake-prone faults
 | ... 
<https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-climate-change-could-trigger-earthquakes/>

 | 
 | Climate change could be triggering more earthquakes and
 | volcanic eruptions. Here's how
 | ...
<https://www.weforum.org/stories/2023/08/climate-change-trigger-earthquakes-volcanoes/>

    --bks

Next question.

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#1177433

FromNoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com>
Date2025-03-17 07:09 -0400
Message-ID<kh0gtjda5t9s8o61brcolptlakj1f851k5@4ax.com>
In reply to#1177287
On Sun, 16 Mar 2025 14:26:11 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley K.
Sherman) wrote:

>Kremlin Girl  <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> | Evacuation order issued for eastern Oklahoma County as
>>>>>>>>> | fires rage
>>>
>>>>>>> | Images on social media showed a dystopian view of the area.
>>>>>>> | Emergency workers were confronting a heavy dust storm as
>>>>>>> | they went car by car looking for anyone trapped inside. A
>>>>>>> | man taking one of the videos could be heard saying, "You
>>>>>>> | want to go to Mars? This is Mars."
>>>
>>>> | Tornado outbreak live updates: 30 tornadoes reported in
>>>> | several states, 28 dead
>>> | 
>>> | Earthquake strikes Mississippi as tornadoes tear through
>>> | state
>>
>>Now earthquakes are climate change???
>
> | 
> | How Climate Change Could Trigger Earthquakes
> | 
> | Climate change may influence seismic activity as melting
> | glaciers reduce pressure on quake-prone faults
> | ... 
><https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-climate-change-could-trigger-earthquakes/>
>
> | 
> | Climate change could be triggering more earthquakes and
> | volcanic eruptions. Here's how
> | ...
><https://www.weforum.org/stories/2023/08/climate-change-trigger-earthquakes-volcanoes/>
>
>    --bks
>
>Next question.

Laughter.

This is dumber than cow farts trigger climate change.

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#1177278

FromNoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com>
Date2025-03-16 09:14 -0400
Message-ID<9kjdtj10n29bl17g67ru39ji09d1rjureo@4ax.com>
In reply to#1177107
On Sat, 15 Mar 2025 13:55:31 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley K.
Sherman) wrote:

>>>>> | Evacuation order issued for eastern Oklahoma County as
>>>>> | fires rage
>
>>>> | Live Updates: Massive Storm Unleashes Fires, Flooding, Rare
>>>> | 'High' Tornado Threat
>
>>> | In the region around Lubbock and Amarillo in Texas, Highway
>>> | Patrol officials reported more than three dozen car
>>> | crashes. Preliminary reports showed that at least four
>>> | people had died in crashes in the Amarillo region,
>>> | according to Sgt. Cindy Barkley with the Texas Department
>>> | of Public Safety.
>>> | 
>>> | Images on social media showed a dystopian view of the area.
>>> | Emergency workers were confronting a heavy dust storm as
>>> | they went car by car looking for anyone trapped inside. A
>>> | man taking one of the videos could be heard saying, "You
>>> | want to go to Mars? This is Mars."
>
> | 
> | Monster storm across the US sparks threat of tornadoes and
> | fire, killing at least five people
> | ... 
><https://apnews.com/article/tornadoes-wildfires-deaths-eb53f6b2463a96b18a08ca9e2db266ab>
>
>    --bks

Terrible indeed but as usual you fail to prove your point.

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#1177117

FromSiri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com>
Date2025-03-15 07:28 -0700
Message-ID<vr42q9$3mmbo$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#1177106
NoBody wrote:
> Funny that you fine with the huge Canadian forrest fires under the
> Trump administration now it's somehow Trump's fault.

I did not know Forrest Whitley was Canadian.

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#1177217

FromGovernor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com>
Date2025-03-15 21:33 -0400
Message-ID<cgactjh0qdmq0ipif8jj3atlmn4ffrtt4t@4ax.com>
In reply to#1177086
On Sat, 15 Mar 2025 13:14:58 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley K.
Sherman) wrote:

>>> | Evacuation order issued for eastern Oklahoma County as
>>> | fires rage
>
>> | Live Updates: Massive Storm Unleashes Fires, Flooding, Rare
>> | 'High' Tornado Threat
>
> | ... 
> | In the region around Lubbock and Amarillo in Texas, Highway
> | Patrol officials reported more than three dozen car
> | crashes. Preliminary reports showed that at least four
> | people had died in crashes in the Amarillo region,
> | according to Sgt. Cindy Barkley with the Texas Department
> | of Public Safety.
> | 
> | Images on social media showed a dystopian view of the area.
> | Emergency workers were confronting a heavy dust storm as
> | they went car by car looking for anyone trapped inside. A
> | man taking one of the videos could be heard saying, "You
> | want to go to Mars? This is Mars."
> | ...
><https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/14/us/wildfires-texas-oklahoma.html>
>
>    --bks

In all my seventy years, I've never heard of a multi state fire storm
like this one.

Yeah, climate change is a hoax.

NP:  Dan Fogelberg - The Reach

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#1177227

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2025-03-15 23:05 -0400
Message-ID<T76cnSCLmKtjokv6nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#1177217
On 3/15/25 9:33 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Mar 2025 13:14:58 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley K.
> Sherman) wrote:
> 
>>>> | Evacuation order issued for eastern Oklahoma County as
>>>> | fires rage
>>
>>> | Live Updates: Massive Storm Unleashes Fires, Flooding, Rare
>>> | 'High' Tornado Threat
>>
>> | ...
>> | In the region around Lubbock and Amarillo in Texas, Highway
>> | Patrol officials reported more than three dozen car
>> | crashes. Preliminary reports showed that at least four
>> | people had died in crashes in the Amarillo region,
>> | according to Sgt. Cindy Barkley with the Texas Department
>> | of Public Safety.
>> |
>> | Images on social media showed a dystopian view of the area.
>> | Emergency workers were confronting a heavy dust storm as
>> | they went car by car looking for anyone trapped inside. A
>> | man taking one of the videos could be heard saying, "You
>> | want to go to Mars? This is Mars."
>> | ...
>> <https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/14/us/wildfires-texas-oklahoma.html>
>>
>>     --bks
> 
> In all my seventy years, I've never heard of a multi state fire storm
> like this one.
> 
> Yeah, climate change is a hoax.


   Yep ... or at least "mostly".

   Historical/archeological evidence shows HUGE fires
   going back 10,000 years ... likely some were "multi
   state".

   How many SUVs in 8000-BC ?

   Oh wait - *ALIEN* SUVs !!! ETs mud-boggin' in
   giant-tire off-road trucks !!! How do you say
   "Yeee-HA !" in Klingon ?

   "Climate change" is ONGOING, always. Warmer, cooler,
   wetter, drier. Humans might tweak that a little bit
   but it seems to be mostly "big stuff" far beyond our
   control behind such shifts.

   But hey ... if you want ... we'll hire Elon and his
   StarShip to barf out vast quantities of micro-grain
   dust in low orbit, block a percent or two of the
   solar IR. Get the particle size just right and it can
   be quite efficient with minimal ag effects - but won't
   "last forever", just in case of calculation oopsies.

   It IS do-able now.

   Hmmm ... if Elon orbits enough StarLink sats it MAY
   have a similar effect !  :-)

   DID see the other day that I'm now eligible for a
   StarLink internet system ... kinda hard to nail
   down the ultimate PRICE though ; install is cheap
   but dunno about follow-on fees and per-gig prices.
   Still, MIGHT get it, as a backup if nothing else.

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#1177233

FromSiri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com>
Date2025-03-15 21:18 -0700
Message-ID<vr5jfh$12th3$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#1177217
Governor Swill wrote:
>> | Images on social media showed a dystopian view of the area.
>> | Emergency workers were confronting a heavy dust storm as
>> | they went car by car looking for anyone trapped inside. A
>> | man taking one of the videos could be heard saying, "You
>> | want to go to Mars? This is Mars."
>> | ...
>> <https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/14/us/wildfires-texas-oklahoma.html>
>>
>>     --bks
> In all my seventy years, I've never heard of a multi state fire storm
> like this one.
> 
> Yeah, climate change is a hoax.
> 

It is their fault because they do not rake their deserts.

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#1177022

FromJTEM <jtem01@gmail.com>
Date2025-03-14 23:43 +0000
Message-ID<vr2eui$gnsi$1@paganini.bofh.team>
In reply to#1177011
> | 
> | Evacuation order issued for eastern Oklahoma County as
> | fires rage
> | 
> | The fires are fueled by strong winds that have moved
> | through Oklahoma all day Friday.
> | ...
><https://www.koco.com/article/oklahoma-county-fire-evacuation-order/641895
>86> 
>
>    --bks

It's not global warming.  It's God's vengance against Christian Nationalist 
Trump supporters.

God hates those stupid fuckers.


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#1177104

FromNoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com>
Date2025-03-15 09:52 -0400
Message-ID<tf1btj5kes839efhtk4iosk82218hsh2fm@4ax.com>
In reply to#1177011
On Fri, 14 Mar 2025 16:25:39 -0400 (EDT), bks@panix.com (Bradley K.
Sherman) wrote:

> | 
> | Evacuation order issued for eastern Oklahoma County as
> | fires rage
> | 
> | The fires are fueled by strong winds that have moved
> | through Oklahoma all day Friday.
> | ...
><https://www.koco.com/article/oklahoma-county-fire-evacuation-order/64189586>
>
>    --bks

You're having some issues connecting the dots here.
Such is the problem with TDS sufferers.

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