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The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon

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  The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon dumpster4@hotmail.com - 2016-03-25 10:02 -0700
    Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-03-25 18:38 -0700
    Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon bob haller <hallerb@aol.com> - 2016-03-26 11:50 -0700
      Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-03-26 16:38 -0700
        Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon dumpster4@hotmail.com - 2016-03-26 23:05 -0700
        Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-03-27 00:28 -0700
          Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-03-27 16:56 -0700
            Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-03-27 22:26 -0400
              Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-03-27 19:51 -0700
      Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2016-04-03 12:52 -0400
        Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-03 17:07 +0000
          Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 15:28 -0700
            Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 18:06 -0700
              Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 18:36 -0700
              Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 01:38 -0700
          Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-04-04 15:20 +0000
            Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-04 18:35 +0000
              Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 12:58 -0700
              Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon bob haller <hallerb@aol.com> - 2016-04-04 20:13 -0700
                Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 23:50 -0700
                Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 20:02 -0700
              Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Jack Ryan <mixmaster@remailer.cpunk.us> - 2016-04-05 03:50 -0400
                Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-05 18:20 +0000
                  Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-05 16:14 -0700
                    Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-05 18:47 -0500
                      Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 00:00 -0700
                      Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-04-07 06:10 -0400
                        Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 18:51 +0000
                          Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 16:35 -0700
                          Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-08 14:23 -0500
                            Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 13:25 -0700
                              Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-09 09:57 -0500
                                Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 09:55 -0700
                                  Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 12:38 -0700
                                Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 10:20 -0700
                                  Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-17 12:53 -0500
                                    Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 13:01 -0700
                                      Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-17 19:38 -0500
                                        Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 00:27 -0700
                            Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 17:44 -0700
                    Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 00:28 +0000
                      Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2016-04-05 22:14 -0400
                        Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 03:38 +0000
                        Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2016-04-16 11:58 -0400
                          Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-16 16:17 +0000
                      Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 00:07 -0700
                      Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-04-07 06:24 -0400
                        Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 04:54 -0700
                        Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 05:53 -0700
                        Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 19:03 +0000
                          Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 16:47 -0700
                  Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-04-05 19:53 -0600
                    Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 03:42 +0000
                      Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-04-05 23:06 -0600
                        Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 18:05 +0000
                          Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 12:34 -0700
                            Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-07 19:18 +0000
                              Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 13:04 -0700
                                Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-07 21:07 +0000
                                  Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 00:03 -0700
                                    Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-08 17:50 +0000
                                      Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 13:03 -0700
                                        Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-08 21:47 +0000
                                          Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 21:24 -0700
                                            Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-09 13:55 +0000
                                              Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-09 10:08 -0500
                                              Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 08:51 -0700
                                                Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 18:07 +0000
                                                  Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 12:49 -0700
                                                    Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 20:16 +0000
                                                      Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 19:07 -0700
                                                        Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-10 06:16 +0000
                                                          Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 06:46 -0700
                                                            Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-10 16:23 +0000
                                                              Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 15:19 -0700
                                                                Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-10 22:49 +0000
                                                                  Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 20:02 -0700
                                                                    Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-11 04:05 +0000
                                                                      Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 01:41 -0700
                                                                        Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-11 18:18 +0000
                                                                          Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 19:20 -0700
                                                                            Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-17 12:53 -0500
                                                                              Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 13:02 -0700
                                                Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-10 12:06 +0000
                                                  Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 06:57 -0700
                                                    Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-10 14:17 +0000
                                                      Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 08:26 -0700
                                                        Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-10 16:40 +0000
                                                          Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 15:38 -0700
                                                            Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-11 19:06 +0000
                                                              Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-11 19:50 +0000
                                                                Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 20:02 -0700
                                                                  Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-12 17:16 +0000
                                                                    Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 15:03 -0700
                                                              Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 19:54 -0700
                                                                Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-12 17:18 +0000
                                                                  Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 15:04 -0700
                                                                    Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-12 22:33 +0000
                                                                      Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 21:48 -0700
                                                                        Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-13 05:02 +0000
                                                                          Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 00:07 -0700
                                                                            Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-13 17:35 +0000
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                                                                                Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-13 20:09 +0000
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                                                                                              Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon dumpster4@hotmail.com - 2016-04-14 08:58 -0700
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                                                  Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 14:28 -0700
                              Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 20:26 +0000
                                Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 23:49 -0700
                                  Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-08 18:24 +0000
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                                      Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-08 22:40 +0000
                                        Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 21:55 -0700
                                          Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 06:11 +0000
                                            Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 07:49 -0700
                                              Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 18:21 +0000
                                                Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 12:57 -0700
                                                  Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 20:29 +0000
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                                        Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-04-09 00:01 -0600
                                          Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 09:03 -0700
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                                      Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 18:24 +0000
                                        Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 14:47 -0700
                              Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 16:54 -0700
                              Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-04-09 15:49 +0000
                                Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 10:45 -0700
                                  Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 19:08 +0000
                                    Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 13:22 -0700
                                      Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 20:41 +0000
                                        Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 19:50 -0700
                  Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-04-06 17:39 +0000
                    Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 18:08 +0000
                      Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 12:36 -0700
                        Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 19:06 +0000
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                            Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 20:28 +0000
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#55893

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2016-04-09 20:41 +0000
Message-ID<r06otc-q7g.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#55886
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> 
>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>For your reference, records indicate that 
>>>>Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Fred J  McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> schrieb:
>>>>> 
>>>>> > Colonies always need supply and support initially.  Colonies off the
>>>>> > Earth will be no different.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The main problem I see for space coloies is the complexity of the
>>>>> technology that is needed for survival, if spare parts cannot be
>>>>> imported.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Take a simple O-ring used as a seal as as an example.
>>>>
>>>>No, don?t!  The entire problem here is that people are coming at the 
>>>>challenge from an Earth-based perspective.  Yes, it is absolutely true 
>>>>that everything that comes from Earth is going to have Earth-optimized 
>>>>production and Earth-centric uses.  But you need to immediately shift 
>>>>your thinking to the location you?re at, whether it?s the Moon or Mars 
>>>>or elsewhere, and begin thinking about what you can do with the r
>>>>esources you have at hand.  It might mean thinking up an entirely new 
>>>>solution to the problem than using something from Earth.
>>>>
>>> 
>>> Exactly.  Most things will get done different in an off-world colony
>>> than they are here.  The best example of that is Chimp's insisting
>>> that a colony needs a multi-hundred megawatt PWR with a river or lake
>>> for cooling.  You'd never go down the path to build such a thing
>>> somewhere that you didn't have free flowing water.  You'll solve the
>>> 'power problem' some other way.  For example, start with
>>> self-contained reactors of much smaller size (a few hundred thousand
>>> kWe) that don't require rivers to cool.  Keep adding those and
>>> bootstrap to large solar arrays produced from in situ resources.
>>> 
>>>>> So, is there a way around this?  You can try to restrict yourself
>>>>> to the materials that you really, really need.  This will mean
>>>>> that your solutions will be much worse than what you could get on
>>>>> Earth by just ordering the products you needed.  I am not sure
>>>>> that this will be easy given the harshness of your environment,
>>>>> where your solutions should be good if you want to survive.
>>>>
>>>>This may be true.  There must be some minimum mix of resources that allow 
>>>>a human-level colony to self-sustainingly survive on a world.  We?ll find 
>>>>it by exploring the problem, not by dismissing it out of hand just because 
>>>>our thinking is limited by some ?irreducible complexity? argument.
>>>>
>>> 
>>> Look at Musk's "Mars Colony Transporter" plan.  He's talking about 90
>>> TONS of supply per colonist and eventually sending them in batches of
>>> 100 (9 cargo launches per colonist launch).  He thinks he can run that
>>> 'break even' at $5 million per launch ($50 million for 100 colonists
>>> and all their supplies).  I think he's a little optimistic, but...
>> 
>>Now all he needs to do is find people without dicks that are willng to go.
>>
> 
> Not that hard.

I meant other than crack whores promised an endless supply of crack.

You now, normal women that want families and kids and grandkids.

Or maybe you don't know of such things.
 
>>
>>As $50 million is chump change to his net worth, why hasn't he started?
>> 
> 
> He has.  However, unlike you, he recognizes that there is no 'instant'
> colony solution.
 
So where is this space port, assembly line for the rockets, warehouses
for the supplies and training facilities for the volunteers needed to get
started?

There is no development required for warehouses and training facilities
so why isn't it started?


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#55913

FromFred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com>
Date2016-04-09 19:50 -0700
Message-ID<shfjgbpq6dp4dma6357k7gjokepeq1dn1k@4ax.com>
In reply to#55893
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:

>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> 
>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>For your reference, records indicate that 
>>>>>Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Fred J  McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> schrieb:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> > Colonies always need supply and support initially.  Colonies off the
>>>>>> > Earth will be no different.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The main problem I see for space coloies is the complexity of the
>>>>>> technology that is needed for survival, if spare parts cannot be
>>>>>> imported.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Take a simple O-ring used as a seal as as an example.
>>>>>
>>>>>No, don?t!  The entire problem here is that people are coming at the 
>>>>>challenge from an Earth-based perspective.  Yes, it is absolutely true 
>>>>>that everything that comes from Earth is going to have Earth-optimized 
>>>>>production and Earth-centric uses.  But you need to immediately shift 
>>>>>your thinking to the location you?re at, whether it?s the Moon or Mars 
>>>>>or elsewhere, and begin thinking about what you can do with the r
>>>>>esources you have at hand.  It might mean thinking up an entirely new 
>>>>>solution to the problem than using something from Earth.
>>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> Exactly.  Most things will get done different in an off-world colony
>>>> than they are here.  The best example of that is Chimp's insisting
>>>> that a colony needs a multi-hundred megawatt PWR with a river or lake
>>>> for cooling.  You'd never go down the path to build such a thing
>>>> somewhere that you didn't have free flowing water.  You'll solve the
>>>> 'power problem' some other way.  For example, start with
>>>> self-contained reactors of much smaller size (a few hundred thousand
>>>> kWe) that don't require rivers to cool.  Keep adding those and
>>>> bootstrap to large solar arrays produced from in situ resources.
>>>> 
>>>>>> So, is there a way around this?  You can try to restrict yourself
>>>>>> to the materials that you really, really need.  This will mean
>>>>>> that your solutions will be much worse than what you could get on
>>>>>> Earth by just ordering the products you needed.  I am not sure
>>>>>> that this will be easy given the harshness of your environment,
>>>>>> where your solutions should be good if you want to survive.
>>>>>
>>>>>This may be true.  There must be some minimum mix of resources that allow 
>>>>>a human-level colony to self-sustainingly survive on a world.  We?ll find 
>>>>>it by exploring the problem, not by dismissing it out of hand just because 
>>>>>our thinking is limited by some ?irreducible complexity? argument.
>>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> Look at Musk's "Mars Colony Transporter" plan.  He's talking about 90
>>>> TONS of supply per colonist and eventually sending them in batches of
>>>> 100 (9 cargo launches per colonist launch).  He thinks he can run that
>>>> 'break even' at $5 million per launch ($50 million for 100 colonists
>>>> and all their supplies).  I think he's a little optimistic, but...
>>> 
>>>Now all he needs to do is find people without dicks that are willng to go.
>>>
>> 
>> Not that hard.
>
>I meant other than crack whores promised an endless supply of crack.
>
>You now, normal women that want families and kids and grandkids.
>
>Or maybe you don't know of such things.
> 

Mars One had 200,000 volunteers for a one way trip.  They've started
slimming that down to the final 100 and currently have it down to a
little over 1,000 - of whom 45% are women.

Sorry to cloud the issue with facts, chimp.

>>>
>>>As $50 million is chump change to his net worth, why hasn't he started?
>>> 
>> 
>> He has.  However, unlike you, he recognizes that there is no 'instant'
>> colony solution.
>>
> 
>So where is this space port, assembly line for the rockets, warehouses
>for the supplies and training facilities for the volunteers needed to get
>started?
>

Which part of "no 'instant' colony" is it that keeps eluding you,
chimp?

>
>There is no development required for warehouses and training facilities
>so why isn't it started?
>

Because there's no point to doing any of that until you finish
designing the vehicles and mission architecture, which is where they
currently are.  Typical chimp plan to tie up resources and money in
facilities you won't need for ten years...

You make REALLY bad decisions, Jimp.

-- 
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
 territory."
                                      --G. Behn

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#55707

FromDoc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com>
Date2016-04-06 17:39 +0000
Message-ID<ne3hkr$1b8$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#55693
For your reference, records indicate that 
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:

> No successful colony in history required anything beyond 10th Century
> technology to survive.

Because that’s just the nature of how time works.  In a future where 
humanity is looking to colonize planets around other stars, some yahoo 
like you will likely crawl out of the woodwork and say something like 
“No successful planetary colony in history required anything beyond 
22nd Century technology to survive.”

-- 
"Also . . . I can kill you with my brain."
River Tam, Trash, Firefly

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#55710

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2016-04-06 18:08 +0000
Message-ID<kuvftc-moi.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#55707
In sci.physics Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote:
> For your reference, records indicate that 
> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> 
>> No successful colony in history required anything beyond 10th Century
>> technology to survive.
> 
> Because thats just the nature of how time works.  In a future where 
> humanity is looking to colonize planets around other stars, some yahoo 
> like you will likely crawl out of the woodwork and say something like 
> No successful planetary colony in history required anything beyond 
> 22nd Century technology to survive.”

If Star Trek technology were available, then off Earth colonization
would be possible, but Star Trek technology doesn't exist.
 
And if Star Trek technology did exist, people wouldn't bother attempting
to colonize airless, barren rocks.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#55713

FromFred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com>
Date2016-04-06 12:36 -0700
Message-ID<46pagbdg3baofl66npat8e49g7je5sihdo@4ax.com>
In reply to#55710
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:

>In sci.physics Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote:
>> For your reference, records indicate that 
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> 
>>> No successful colony in history required anything beyond 10th Century
>>> technology to survive.
>> 
>> Because thats just the nature of how time works.  In a future where 
>> humanity is looking to colonize planets around other stars, some yahoo 
>> like you will likely crawl out of the woodwork and say something like 
>> No successful planetary colony in history required anything beyond 
>> 22nd Century technology to survive.”
>>
>
>If Star Trek technology were available, then off Earth colonization
>would be possible, but Star Trek technology doesn't exist.
>

And apparently neither does logic in your world.  If magic existed,
then the colonization of North America would have been possible, but
magic doesn't exist.


-- 
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
 territory."
                                      --G. Behn

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#55745

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2016-04-07 19:06 +0000
Message-ID<4nnitc-mir.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#55713
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> 
>>In sci.physics Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote:
>>> For your reference, records indicate that 
>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>> 
>>>> No successful colony in history required anything beyond 10th Century
>>>> technology to survive.
>>> 
>>> Because thats just the nature of how time works.  In a future where 
>>> humanity is looking to colonize planets around other stars, some yahoo 
>>> like you will likely crawl out of the woodwork and say something like 
>>> No successful planetary colony in history required anything beyond 
>>> 22nd Century technology to survive.?
>>>
>>
>>If Star Trek technology were available, then off Earth colonization
>>would be possible, but Star Trek technology doesn't exist.
>>
> 
> And apparently neither does logic in your world.  If magic existed,
> then the colonization of North America would have been possible, but
> magic doesn't exist.
 
Non sequitur; you are grasping at straws trying to be insulting and
ignoring the economics of doing anything off planet as well as the
realities of what motivates people to colonize a new place.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#55752

FromFred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com>
Date2016-04-07 12:59 -0700
Message-ID<qvedgbldq0q0067t2g534j2pgf6sqv1uuf@4ax.com>
In reply to#55745
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:

>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> 
>>>In sci.physics Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote:
>>>> For your reference, records indicate that 
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> No successful colony in history required anything beyond 10th Century
>>>>> technology to survive.
>>>> 
>>>> Because thats just the nature of how time works.  In a future where 
>>>> humanity is looking to colonize planets around other stars, some yahoo 
>>>> like you will likely crawl out of the woodwork and say something like 
>>>> No successful planetary colony in history required anything beyond 
>>>> 22nd Century technology to survive.?
>>>>
>>>
>>>If Star Trek technology were available, then off Earth colonization
>>>would be possible, but Star Trek technology doesn't exist.
>>>
>> 
>> And apparently neither does logic in your world.  If magic existed,
>> then the colonization of North America would have been possible, but
>> magic doesn't exist.
> 
>Non sequitur; 
>

Glad you got my point, which was mocking your original remark as being
a non sequitur (and a violation of the rules of basic logic).


-- 
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
 territory."
                                      --G. Behn

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#55757

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2016-04-07 20:28 +0000
Message-ID<sfsitc-31s.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#55752
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> 
>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>> 
>>>>In sci.physics Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote:
>>>>> For your reference, records indicate that 
>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> No successful colony in history required anything beyond 10th Century
>>>>>> technology to survive.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Because thats just the nature of how time works.  In a future where 
>>>>> humanity is looking to colonize planets around other stars, some yahoo 
>>>>> like you will likely crawl out of the woodwork and say something like 
>>>>> No successful planetary colony in history required anything beyond 
>>>>> 22nd Century technology to survive.?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>If Star Trek technology were available, then off Earth colonization
>>>>would be possible, but Star Trek technology doesn't exist.
>>>>
>>> 
>>> And apparently neither does logic in your world.  If magic existed,
>>> then the colonization of North America would have been possible, but
>>> magic doesn't exist.
>> 
>>Non sequitur; 
>>
> 
> Glad you got my point, which was mocking your original remark as being
> a non sequitur (and a violation of the rules of basic logic).
 
 
Don't you really mean I have gored your ox of space cadets hanging
out in Martian bars?

-- 
Jim Pennino

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#55771

FromFred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com>
Date2016-04-07 23:52 -0700
Message-ID<95legb1k9mtlimkr17lqgjhnhvsrtkt7u5@4ax.com>
In reply to#55757
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:

>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> 
>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>In sci.physics Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote:
>>>>>> For your reference, records indicate that 
>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> No successful colony in history required anything beyond 10th Century
>>>>>>> technology to survive.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Because thats just the nature of how time works.  In a future where 
>>>>>> humanity is looking to colonize planets around other stars, some yahoo 
>>>>>> like you will likely crawl out of the woodwork and say something like 
>>>>>> No successful planetary colony in history required anything beyond 
>>>>>> 22nd Century technology to survive.?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>If Star Trek technology were available, then off Earth colonization
>>>>>would be possible, but Star Trek technology doesn't exist.
>>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> And apparently neither does logic in your world.  If magic existed,
>>>> then the colonization of North America would have been possible, but
>>>> magic doesn't exist.
>>> 
>>>Non sequitur; 
>>>
>> 
>> Glad you got my point, which was mocking your original remark as being
>> a non sequitur (and a violation of the rules of basic logic).
>> 
> 
>Don't you really mean I have gored your ox of space cadets hanging
>out in Martian bars?
>

No, I'm not responsible for your silly and ignorant delusions.

Take a logic course, Chimp.  You're saying "If A then we could B" and
trying to parlay that into "We cannot B without A", which is a totally
different proposition and a basic logical fallacy.


-- 
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the
 truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
                               -- Thomas Jefferson

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#55783

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2016-04-08 18:26 +0000
Message-ID<rm9ltc-hu6.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#55771
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> 
>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>> 
>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>In sci.physics Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> For your reference, records indicate that 
>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> No successful colony in history required anything beyond 10th Century
>>>>>>>> technology to survive.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Because thats just the nature of how time works.  In a future where 
>>>>>>> humanity is looking to colonize planets around other stars, some yahoo 
>>>>>>> like you will likely crawl out of the woodwork and say something like 
>>>>>>> No successful planetary colony in history required anything beyond 
>>>>>>> 22nd Century technology to survive.?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If Star Trek technology were available, then off Earth colonization
>>>>>>would be possible, but Star Trek technology doesn't exist.
>>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> And apparently neither does logic in your world.  If magic existed,
>>>>> then the colonization of North America would have been possible, but
>>>>> magic doesn't exist.
>>>> 
>>>>Non sequitur; 
>>>>
>>> 
>>> Glad you got my point, which was mocking your original remark as being
>>> a non sequitur (and a violation of the rules of basic logic).
>>> 
>> 
>>Don't you really mean I have gored your ox of space cadets hanging
>>out in Martian bars?
>>
> 
> No, I'm not responsible for your silly and ignorant delusions.
> 
> Take a logic course, Chimp.  You're saying "If A then we could B" and
> trying to parlay that into "We cannot B without A", which is a totally
> different proposition and a basic logical fallacy.
 
No, I am saying no one is going to pony up the many trillions of dollars
required to even begin to build a real colony off the Earth.

 

-- 
Jim Pennino

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#55791

FromFred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com>
Date2016-04-08 13:14 -0700
Message-ID<t24ggbdbp743phth3gbdas2rqf47nnm5gi@4ax.com>
In reply to#55783
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:

>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> 
>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>In sci.physics Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> For your reference, records indicate that 
>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> No successful colony in history required anything beyond 10th Century
>>>>>>>>> technology to survive.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Because thats just the nature of how time works.  In a future where 
>>>>>>>> humanity is looking to colonize planets around other stars, some yahoo 
>>>>>>>> like you will likely crawl out of the woodwork and say something like 
>>>>>>>> No successful planetary colony in history required anything beyond 
>>>>>>>> 22nd Century technology to survive.?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If Star Trek technology were available, then off Earth colonization
>>>>>>>would be possible, but Star Trek technology doesn't exist.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> And apparently neither does logic in your world.  If magic existed,
>>>>>> then the colonization of North America would have been possible, but
>>>>>> magic doesn't exist.
>>>>> 
>>>>>Non sequitur; 
>>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> Glad you got my point, which was mocking your original remark as being
>>>> a non sequitur (and a violation of the rules of basic logic).
>>>> 
>>> 
>>>Don't you really mean I have gored your ox of space cadets hanging
>>>out in Martian bars?
>>>
>> 
>> No, I'm not responsible for your silly and ignorant delusions.
>> 
>> Take a logic course, Chimp.  You're saying "If A then we could B" and
>> trying to parlay that into "We cannot B without A", which is a totally
>> different proposition and a basic logical fallacy.
>>
> 
>No, I am saying no one is going to pony up the many trillions of dollars
>required to even begin to build a real colony off the Earth.
>

Not what you said at all.  Where'd you get your cost (other than out
of your ass, I mean)?  Never heard of Elon Musk?  His numbers don't
agree with yours and when it comes to that sort of thing, I think I'm
going to believe him over you.


-- 
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the
 truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
                               -- Thomas Jefferson

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#55811

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2016-04-08 22:42 +0000
Message-ID<jnoltc-fb8.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#55791
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> 
>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>> 
>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> For your reference, records indicate that 
>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> No successful colony in history required anything beyond 10th Century
>>>>>>>>>> technology to survive.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Because thats just the nature of how time works.  In a future where 
>>>>>>>>> humanity is looking to colonize planets around other stars, some yahoo 
>>>>>>>>> like you will likely crawl out of the woodwork and say something like 
>>>>>>>>> No successful planetary colony in history required anything beyond 
>>>>>>>>> 22nd Century technology to survive.?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>If Star Trek technology were available, then off Earth colonization
>>>>>>>>would be possible, but Star Trek technology doesn't exist.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> And apparently neither does logic in your world.  If magic existed,
>>>>>>> then the colonization of North America would have been possible, but
>>>>>>> magic doesn't exist.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>Non sequitur; 
>>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> Glad you got my point, which was mocking your original remark as being
>>>>> a non sequitur (and a violation of the rules of basic logic).
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>Don't you really mean I have gored your ox of space cadets hanging
>>>>out in Martian bars?
>>>>
>>> 
>>> No, I'm not responsible for your silly and ignorant delusions.
>>> 
>>> Take a logic course, Chimp.  You're saying "If A then we could B" and
>>> trying to parlay that into "We cannot B without A", which is a totally
>>> different proposition and a basic logical fallacy.
>>>
>> 
>>No, I am saying no one is going to pony up the many trillions of dollars
>>required to even begin to build a real colony off the Earth.
>>
> 
> Not what you said at all.  Where'd you get your cost (other than out
> of your ass, I mean)?  Never heard of Elon Musk?  His numbers don't
> agree with yours and when it comes to that sort of thing, I think I'm
> going to believe him over you.
 
Yeah, I've heard of Elon Musk; he's that guy that makes cars that don't
make a profit.

 

-- 
Jim Pennino

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#55827

FromFred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com>
Date2016-04-08 21:57 -0700
Message-ID<es2hgb58jsqo30hngsbh792oulod63pje4@4ax.com>
In reply to#55811
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:

>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> 
>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> For your reference, records indicate that 
>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> No successful colony in history required anything beyond 10th Century
>>>>>>>>>>> technology to survive.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Because thats just the nature of how time works.  In a future where 
>>>>>>>>>> humanity is looking to colonize planets around other stars, some yahoo 
>>>>>>>>>> like you will likely crawl out of the woodwork and say something like 
>>>>>>>>>> No successful planetary colony in history required anything beyond 
>>>>>>>>>> 22nd Century technology to survive.?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>If Star Trek technology were available, then off Earth colonization
>>>>>>>>>would be possible, but Star Trek technology doesn't exist.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> And apparently neither does logic in your world.  If magic existed,
>>>>>>>> then the colonization of North America would have been possible, but
>>>>>>>> magic doesn't exist.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>Non sequitur; 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Glad you got my point, which was mocking your original remark as being
>>>>>> a non sequitur (and a violation of the rules of basic logic).
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>Don't you really mean I have gored your ox of space cadets hanging
>>>>>out in Martian bars?
>>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> No, I'm not responsible for your silly and ignorant delusions.
>>>> 
>>>> Take a logic course, Chimp.  You're saying "If A then we could B" and
>>>> trying to parlay that into "We cannot B without A", which is a totally
>>>> different proposition and a basic logical fallacy.
>>>>
>>> 
>>>No, I am saying no one is going to pony up the many trillions of dollars
>>>required to even begin to build a real colony off the Earth.
>>>
>> 
>> Not what you said at all.  Where'd you get your cost (other than out
>> of your ass, I mean)?  Never heard of Elon Musk?  His numbers don't
>> agree with yours and when it comes to that sort of thing, I think I'm
>> going to believe him over you.
> 
>Yeah, I've heard of Elon Musk; he's that guy that makes cars that don't
>make a profit.
>

Yeah, he only has a net worth of $13B.  How are YOU doing?


-- 
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
 territory."
                                      --G. Behn

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#55839

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2016-04-09 06:14 +0000
Message-ID<d6jmtc-mua.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#55827
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
 
>>Yeah, I've heard of Elon Musk; he's that guy that makes cars that don't
>>make a profit.
>>
> 
> Yeah, he only has a net worth of $13B.  How are YOU doing?
 
Just fine, thanks for asking, but I don't see what my economic status
has to do with a Martian colony other than I think it would be a waste
of tax dollars.

 

-- 
Jim Pennino

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#55846

FromFred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com>
Date2016-04-09 07:52 -0700
Message-ID<5k5igb59ph5i5u1r0uu51j8tkqnu5815tb@4ax.com>
In reply to#55839
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:

>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> 
>>>Yeah, I've heard of Elon Musk; he's that guy that makes cars that don't
>>>make a profit.
>>>
>> 
>> Yeah, he only has a net worth of $13B.  How are YOU doing?
> 
>Just fine, thanks for asking, but I don't see what my economic status
>has to do with a Martian colony other than I think it would be a waste
>of tax dollars.
>

Why, Elon is one of those 'space cadets' you denigrate as never having
done anything or built anything.  Surely someone like you, a
non-'space cadet' with all that world experience would be doing better
than us 'space cadets', right?

Well, apparently not...


-- 
You are 
What you do 
When it counts.

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#55866

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2016-04-09 18:31 +0000
Message-ID<jduntc-2gf.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#55846
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> 
>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> 
>>>>Yeah, I've heard of Elon Musk; he's that guy that makes cars that don't
>>>>make a profit.
>>>>
>>> 
>>> Yeah, he only has a net worth of $13B.  How are YOU doing?
>> 
>>Just fine, thanks for asking, but I don't see what my economic status
>>has to do with a Martian colony other than I think it would be a waste
>>of tax dollars.
>>
> 
> Why, Elon is one of those 'space cadets' you denigrate as never having
> done anything or built anything.  Surely someone like you, a
> non-'space cadet' with all that world experience would be doing better
> than us 'space cadets', right?

Nope, there go the voices in you head again.

All I said about Elon Musk is that he is the guy that builds the cars
that have never made a profit, which is a statement of fact.

What I did say was that it is obvious YOU have never built anything
or have the slightest clue what doing so takes.
 
> Well, apparently not...
 
If net worth is your standard, then you REALLY must be in love with the
Kardashians.
 

-- 
Jim Pennino

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#55878

FromFred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com>
Date2016-04-09 13:00 -0700
Message-ID<tlnigbhhv4em3esbpng5cdufh9rtc7d893@4ax.com>
In reply to#55866
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:

>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> 
>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>> 
>>>>>Yeah, I've heard of Elon Musk; he's that guy that makes cars that don't
>>>>>make a profit.
>>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> Yeah, he only has a net worth of $13B.  How are YOU doing?
>>> 
>>>Just fine, thanks for asking, but I don't see what my economic status
>>>has to do with a Martian colony other than I think it would be a waste
>>>of tax dollars.
>>>
>> 
>> Why, Elon is one of those 'space cadets' you denigrate as never having
>> done anything or built anything.  Surely someone like you, a
>> non-'space cadet' with all that world experience would be doing better
>> than us 'space cadets', right?
>
>Nope, there go the voices in you head again.
>

Well, if you'd STFU the most annoying one would go away.

>
>All I said about Elon Musk is that he is the guy that builds the cars
>that have never made a profit, which is a statement of fact.
>

But he's a 'space cadet' and you've characterized them as "have never
built anything or have the slightest clue what doing so takes".

>
>What I did say was that it is obvious YOU have never built anything
>or have the slightest clue what doing so takes.
>

I'm sure many egregiously stupid things are 'obvious' to you.
 
>
>> Well, apparently not...
> 
>If net worth is your standard, then you REALLY must be in love with the
>Kardashians.
> 

They've done more than you have.  Which is a really sad commentary on
you...


-- 
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
 only stupid."
                            -- Heinrich Heine 

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#55891

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2016-04-09 20:34 +0000
Message-ID<ek5otc-q7g.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#55878
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> 
>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>> 
>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>>Yeah, I've heard of Elon Musk; he's that guy that makes cars that don't
>>>>>>make a profit.
>>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yeah, he only has a net worth of $13B.  How are YOU doing?
>>>> 
>>>>Just fine, thanks for asking, but I don't see what my economic status
>>>>has to do with a Martian colony other than I think it would be a waste
>>>>of tax dollars.
>>>>
>>> 
>>> Why, Elon is one of those 'space cadets' you denigrate as never having
>>> done anything or built anything.  Surely someone like you, a
>>> non-'space cadet' with all that world experience would be doing better
>>> than us 'space cadets', right?
>>
>>Nope, there go the voices in you head again.
>>
> 
> Well, if you'd STFU the most annoying one would go away.

No, I'm afraid it would take far more than that.

>>All I said about Elon Musk is that he is the guy that builds the cars
>>that have never made a profit, which is a statement of fact.
>>
> 
> But he's a 'space cadet' and you've characterized them as "have never
> built anything or have the slightest clue what doing so takes".

Those voices again.

Nope, see below.

>>
>>What I did say was that it is obvious YOU have never built anything
>>or have the slightest clue what doing so takes.
>>
> 
> I'm sure many egregiously stupid things are 'obvious' to you.

So what thing, i.e. something tangible, have you built that you are
most proud of?

Putting an IKEA bookcase together doesn't count.

>>> Well, apparently not...
>> 
>>If net worth is your standard, then you REALLY must be in love with the
>>Kardashians.
>> 
> 
> They've done more than you have.  Which is a really sad commentary on
> you...

Well they do have a lot more arrests than I do, but I'm nod jealous.
 
So you are gaga over celebrities.

How long did you cry when Princess Di died?


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#55911

FromFred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com>
Date2016-04-09 19:42 -0700
Message-ID<9oejgbt4ubakfgrmbm3k9nccibat7mopuk@4ax.com>
In reply to#55891
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:

>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> 
>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>Yeah, I've heard of Elon Musk; he's that guy that makes cars that don't
>>>>>>>make a profit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yeah, he only has a net worth of $13B.  How are YOU doing?
>>>>> 
>>>>>Just fine, thanks for asking, but I don't see what my economic status
>>>>>has to do with a Martian colony other than I think it would be a waste
>>>>>of tax dollars.
>>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> Why, Elon is one of those 'space cadets' you denigrate as never having
>>>> done anything or built anything.  Surely someone like you, a
>>>> non-'space cadet' with all that world experience would be doing better
>>>> than us 'space cadets', right?
>>>
>>>Nope, there go the voices in you head again.
>>>
>> 
>> Well, if you'd STFU the most annoying one would go away.
>>
>
>No, I'm afraid it would take far more than that.
>

No need to be afraid, chimp.  The future is coming without you.

>>>All I said about Elon Musk is that he is the guy that builds the cars
>>>that have never made a profit, which is a statement of fact.
>>>
>> 
>> But he's a 'space cadet' and you've characterized them as "have never
>> built anything or have the slightest clue what doing so takes".
>>
>
>Those voices again.
>

Especially that annoying one from your direction.

>
>Nope, see below.
>

Yep, changing your story now doesn't change your original remark with
regard to all those 'space cadets'.

>>>
>>>What I did say was that it is obvious YOU have never built anything
>>>or have the slightest clue what doing so takes.
>>>
>> 
>> I'm sure many egregiously stupid things are 'obvious' to you.
>>
>
>So what thing, i.e. something tangible, have you built that you are
>most proud of?
>

You first, monkey boy.  I just retired after 32 years as an engineer
whose job was designing and making things to cost and schedule.

So what have you done?

>
>Putting an IKEA bookcase together doesn't count.
>

Trying to erect barriers to progress doesn't count.

>>>> Well, apparently not...
>>> 
>>>If net worth is your standard, then you REALLY must be in love with the
>>>Kardashians.
>>> 
>> 
>> They've done more than you have.  Which is a really sad commentary on
>> you...
>>
>
>Well they do have a lot more arrests than I do, but I'm nod jealous.
>

Yet you haven't been able to parlay your bullshit into money and they
have.
 
>
>So you are gaga over celebrities.
>

Why would you say that?  Where did I say it?  Stop lying, Jimp.
Thinking that someone has done more than you have is pretty far from
'gaga'.

>
>How long did you cry when Princess Di died?
>

Why would I care?  If you weren't just a chimp I'd tell you to stop
throwing gorilla dust.


-- 
You are 
What you do 
When it counts.

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#56058

FromSergio <invalid@invalid.com>
Date2016-04-12 21:07 -0500
Message-ID<nek9mf$1p7r$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#55911
On 4/9/2016 9:42 PM, Fred J. McCall wrote:
> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> Oven.  Whatever is needed.  Oven.  Whatever it needs to.

no answer ?    try to think it through.

          man needs 500 liters of O2 per day
     there are 10 men up there, 2 are needed to run the O2 plant, and 2 
are needed to run the Water plant, and 2 are needed to run the N2 plant.

so your O2 flow rate is 5,000 liters per day,
your N2 flow rate is 15,000 liters per day (assume a 25% O2)
and about 7.5 liters of water per day per person

so how many tons rocks do you cook per day ?
How much energy is needed to run the rock cooking plant?
What type of rocks work for O2 that are on the surface ?

where do you get  24 liters of water per day ? (assume a 25% recapture rate)

Biofilm questions: where does the lost water go? will the biofilm cause 
dammage to the electronics?  How much energy is used to keep the 
Humidity down to below 70% ?

how do you reprocess the salt bath used for cooking the rocks ?

What rocks do you cook to get N2 ???

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