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| First post | 2016-03-25 10:02 -0700 |
| Last post | 2016-04-11 19:09 -0700 |
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The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon dumpster4@hotmail.com - 2016-03-25 10:02 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-03-25 18:38 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon bob haller <hallerb@aol.com> - 2016-03-26 11:50 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-03-26 16:38 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon dumpster4@hotmail.com - 2016-03-26 23:05 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-03-27 00:28 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-03-27 16:56 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-03-27 22:26 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-03-27 19:51 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2016-04-03 12:52 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-03 17:07 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 15:28 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 18:06 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 18:36 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 01:38 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-04-04 15:20 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-04 18:35 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 12:58 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon bob haller <hallerb@aol.com> - 2016-04-04 20:13 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 23:50 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 20:02 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Jack Ryan <mixmaster@remailer.cpunk.us> - 2016-04-05 03:50 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-05 18:20 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-05 16:14 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-05 18:47 -0500
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 00:00 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-04-07 06:10 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 18:51 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 16:35 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-08 14:23 -0500
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 13:25 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-09 09:57 -0500
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 09:55 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 12:38 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 10:20 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-17 12:53 -0500
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 13:01 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-17 19:38 -0500
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 00:27 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 17:44 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 00:28 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2016-04-05 22:14 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 03:38 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2016-04-16 11:58 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-16 16:17 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 00:07 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-04-07 06:24 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 04:54 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 05:53 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 19:03 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 16:47 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-04-05 19:53 -0600
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 03:42 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-04-05 23:06 -0600
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 18:05 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 12:34 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-07 19:18 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 13:04 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-07 21:07 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 00:03 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-08 17:50 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 13:03 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-08 21:47 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 21:24 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-09 13:55 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-09 10:08 -0500
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 08:51 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 18:07 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 12:49 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 20:16 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 19:07 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-10 06:16 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 06:46 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-10 16:23 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 15:19 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-10 22:49 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 20:02 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-11 04:05 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 01:41 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-11 18:18 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 19:20 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-17 12:53 -0500
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 13:02 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-10 12:06 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 06:57 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-10 14:17 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 08:26 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-10 16:40 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 15:38 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-11 19:06 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-11 19:50 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 20:02 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-12 17:16 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 15:03 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 19:54 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-12 17:18 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 15:04 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-12 22:33 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 21:48 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-13 05:02 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 00:07 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-13 17:35 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 12:23 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-13 20:09 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 13:36 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-13 21:06 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 19:24 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-14 02:51 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 21:03 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-14 04:36 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 00:56 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-14 18:02 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 13:40 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-14 22:09 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 15:40 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-14 22:53 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 17:24 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-15 00:42 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 19:24 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-15 04:13 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 22:02 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-15 21:04 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-15 15:21 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-15 22:42 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 01:33 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-16 16:22 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 11:07 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-16 19:20 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 12:52 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-16 20:44 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 19:35 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-17 05:22 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 23:55 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-17 12:54 -0500
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 13:03 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon dumpster4@hotmail.com - 2016-04-14 08:58 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 13:28 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 14:28 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 20:26 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 23:49 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-08 18:24 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 13:10 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-08 22:40 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 21:55 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 06:11 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 07:49 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 18:21 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 12:57 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 20:29 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 19:30 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-04-09 00:01 -0600
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 09:03 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Womack <twomack@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2016-04-09 09:21 +0100
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 18:24 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 14:47 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 16:54 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-04-09 15:49 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 10:45 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 19:08 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 13:22 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 20:41 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 19:50 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-04-06 17:39 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 18:08 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 12:36 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 19:06 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 12:59 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 20:28 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 23:52 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-08 18:26 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 13:14 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-08 22:42 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 21:57 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 06:14 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 07:52 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 18:31 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 13:00 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 20:34 +0000
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2016-04-08 18:24 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vj9ltc-hu6.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #55770 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >> >>McCall will never get the point and has obviously never had to make >>something on a budget. >> > > Jimp will never get the point and has obviously never had to make > anything, period. Yeah, right, says the starry eyed space cadet that thinks an off planet real colony with families and kids that is anywhere near survivable without constant resupply will cost less than many trillions of dollars and that anyone would ever be billing to pony up the money to build one. On top of that, the space cadet likely believes that sane people, including female sane people, would want to migrate to one. People migrate to better their lives, not to live in a pressurized tin can. Could you offer Martian colonists their own plot of land? Nope. Could you offer Martian colonists high pay? Possibly, but what would they do with it? They can't buy a bigger house, a luxury car, a boat, a plane, a RV, a OHV, a beach house, a mountain cabin, or likely not even a swimming pool. They can't take trips to Paris or Hawaii. The could do none of the things people normally do with wealth. Most everyone that was foolish enough to go would screaming to get off the lifeless, airless rock before very long. The gays and the anti-social types might stay. The only thing that is going to ever exist off the Earth is military outposts and research stations. Some larger installations may have a small number of civilians around to provide bars and hookers and such, but no regular families and no kids playing in what would pass for a street. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-08 13:10 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <3l3ggbp0ss9f0t8ipab3cpohr8ifcpclor@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #55782 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>McCall will never get the point and has obviously never had to make
>>>something on a budget.
>>>
>>
>> Jimp will never get the point and has obviously never had to make
>> anything, period.
>
>Yeah, right, says the starry eyed space cadet that thinks an off planet
>real colony with families and kids that is anywhere near survivable
>without constant resupply will cost less than many trillions of dollars
>and that anyone would ever be billing to pony up the money to build one.
>
Ever heard of Elon Musk? He's another one of us 'space cadets' who
thinks he can colonize Mars. But he's never actually built anything
or met a schedule. Well, nothing but ZIP2, Paypal, SpaceX, Tesla,
SolarCity...
>
>On top of that, the space cadet likely believes that sane people, including
>female sane people, would want to migrate to one.
>
>People migrate to better their lives, not to live in a pressurized tin can.
>
No colony ever has better living than home, so I guess you just
'proved' that no one will ever colonize anywhere, at any time.
>
>Most everyone that was foolish enough to go would screaming to get off
>the lifeless, airless rock before very long. The gays and the anti-social
>types might stay.
>
So you'd stay, then.
>
>The only thing that is going to ever exist off the Earth is military
>outposts and research stations.
>
>Some larger installations may have a small number of civilians around
>to provide bars and hookers and such, but no regular families and no
>kids playing in what would pass for a street.
>
Elon Musk disagrees with you and he's spending his own money on
initial designs. But he's just another space cadet who's never done
anything real, right?
--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
only stupid."
-- Heinrich Heine
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2016-04-08 22:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ikoltc-fb8.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #55790 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>McCall will never get the point and has obviously never had to make >>>>something on a budget. >>>> >>> >>> Jimp will never get the point and has obviously never had to make >>> anything, period. >> >>Yeah, right, says the starry eyed space cadet that thinks an off planet >>real colony with families and kids that is anywhere near survivable >>without constant resupply will cost less than many trillions of dollars >>and that anyone would ever be billing to pony up the money to build one. >> > > Ever heard of Elon Musk? He's another one of us 'space cadets' who > thinks he can colonize Mars. But he's never actually built anything > or met a schedule. Well, nothing but ZIP2, Paypal, SpaceX, Tesla, > SolarCity... Perhaps if Tesla ever starts making a profit, Musk could pay for it all. >> >>On top of that, the space cadet likely believes that sane people, including >>female sane people, would want to migrate to one. >> >>People migrate to better their lives, not to live in a pressurized tin can. >> > > No colony ever has better living than home, so I guess you just > 'proved' that no one will ever colonize anywhere, at any time. Total utter, and complete nonsense showing no understanding of history at all. In fact it is so blazingly stupid I'm not going to bother with a rebuttal. >>Most everyone that was foolish enough to go would screaming to get off >>the lifeless, airless rock before very long. The gays and the anti-social >>types might stay. >> > > So you'd stay, then. I would never go to such a place. FYI I was offered, and turned down, a stint at the DEW line for huge bucks way back when, and that was for less than two years, including travel time. >>The only thing that is going to ever exist off the Earth is military >>outposts and research stations. >> >>Some larger installations may have a small number of civilians around >>to provide bars and hookers and such, but no regular families and no >>kids playing in what would pass for a street. >> > > Elon Musk disagrees with you and he's spending his own money on > initial designs. But he's just another space cadet who's never done > anything real, right? I could care less what someone else does with their money. And establishing a real colony on Mars would require many years of the worlds total gross domestic product. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-08 21:55 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ul2hgbd7ad1l7skc8qbd1esbk481lsoi7f@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #55810 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>McCall will never get the point and has obviously never had to make
>>>>>something on a budget.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jimp will never get the point and has obviously never had to make
>>>> anything, period.
>>>
>>>Yeah, right, says the starry eyed space cadet that thinks an off planet
>>>real colony with families and kids that is anywhere near survivable
>>>without constant resupply will cost less than many trillions of dollars
>>>and that anyone would ever be billing to pony up the money to build one.
>>>
>>
>> Ever heard of Elon Musk? He's another one of us 'space cadets' who
>> thinks he can colonize Mars. But he's never actually built anything
>> or met a schedule. Well, nothing but ZIP2, Paypal, SpaceX, Tesla,
>> SolarCity...
>
>Perhaps if Tesla ever starts making a profit, Musk could pay for it all.
>
And so we should assume that you are more successful than Elon Musk?
>>>
>>>On top of that, the space cadet likely believes that sane people, including
>>>female sane people, would want to migrate to one.
>>>
>>>People migrate to better their lives, not to live in a pressurized tin can.
>>>
>>
>> No colony ever has better living than home, so I guess you just
>> 'proved' that no one will ever colonize anywhere, at any time.
>
>Total utter, and complete nonsense showing no understanding of history
>at all.
>
>In fact it is so blazingly stupid I'm not going to bother with a rebuttal.
>
In other words, your position has blown up in your face (again).
>>>Most everyone that was foolish enough to go would screaming to get off
>>>the lifeless, airless rock before very long. The gays and the anti-social
>>>types might stay.
>>>
>>
>> So you'd stay, then.
>
>I would never go to such a place.
>
>FYI I was offered, and turned down, a stint at the DEW line for huge
>bucks way back when, and that was for less than two years, including
>travel time.
>
So how many million dollars are you ahead right now, given your
decision making?
>>>The only thing that is going to ever exist off the Earth is military
>>>outposts and research stations.
>>>
>>>Some larger installations may have a small number of civilians around
>>>to provide bars and hookers and such, but no regular families and no
>>>kids playing in what would pass for a street.
>>>
>>
>> Elon Musk disagrees with you and he's spending his own money on
>> initial designs. But he's just another space cadet who's never done
>> anything real, right?
>
>I could care less what someone else does with their money.
>
>And establishing a real colony on Mars would require many years of the
>worlds total gross domestic product.
>
What utter bullshit.
--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
only stupid."
-- Heinrich Heine
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| Date | 2016-04-09 06:11 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <k1jmtc-mua.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #55826 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>McCall will never get the point and has obviously never had to make >>>>>>something on a budget. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Jimp will never get the point and has obviously never had to make >>>>> anything, period. >>>> >>>>Yeah, right, says the starry eyed space cadet that thinks an off planet >>>>real colony with families and kids that is anywhere near survivable >>>>without constant resupply will cost less than many trillions of dollars >>>>and that anyone would ever be billing to pony up the money to build one. >>>> >>> >>> Ever heard of Elon Musk? He's another one of us 'space cadets' who >>> thinks he can colonize Mars. But he's never actually built anything >>> or met a schedule. Well, nothing but ZIP2, Paypal, SpaceX, Tesla, >>> SolarCity... >> >>Perhaps if Tesla ever starts making a profit, Musk could pay for it all. >> > > And so we should assume that you are more successful than Elon Musk? That would be a blazingly stupid assumption. >>>>On top of that, the space cadet likely believes that sane people, including >>>>female sane people, would want to migrate to one. >>>> >>>>People migrate to better their lives, not to live in a pressurized tin can. >>>> >>> >>> No colony ever has better living than home, so I guess you just >>> 'proved' that no one will ever colonize anywhere, at any time. >> >>Total utter, and complete nonsense showing no understanding of history >>at all. >> >>In fact it is so blazingly stupid I'm not going to bother with a rebuttal. >> > > In other words, your position has blown up in your face (again). Nope, in other words your statements are just too ridiculous to bother with. >>>>Most everyone that was foolish enough to go would screaming to get off >>>>the lifeless, airless rock before very long. The gays and the anti-social >>>>types might stay. >>>> >>> >>> So you'd stay, then. >> >>I would never go to such a place. >> >>FYI I was offered, and turned down, a stint at the DEW line for huge >>bucks way back when, and that was for less than two years, including >>travel time. >> > > So how many million dollars are you ahead right now, given your > decision making? Yet another blazingly stupid question. Economically the decision meant I had to work while getting a degree as opposed to living off the DEW line money. >>>>The only thing that is going to ever exist off the Earth is military >>>>outposts and research stations. >>>> >>>>Some larger installations may have a small number of civilians around >>>>to provide bars and hookers and such, but no regular families and no >>>>kids playing in what would pass for a street. >>>> >>> >>> Elon Musk disagrees with you and he's spending his own money on >>> initial designs. But he's just another space cadet who's never done >>> anything real, right? >> >>I could care less what someone else does with their money. >> >>And establishing a real colony on Mars would require many years of the >>worlds total gross domestic product. >> > > What utter bullshit. It is actually irrelevant as there will hardly be anyone willing to live their life in a pressurized tin can breathing recycled air and drinking recycled water, especially female ones. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-09 07:49 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <qi4igb5gd5b5fp7jripmob7l6u28oig9is@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #55838 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>McCall will never get the point and has obviously never had to make
>>>>>>>something on a budget.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jimp will never get the point and has obviously never had to make
>>>>>> anything, period.
>>>>>
>>>>>Yeah, right, says the starry eyed space cadet that thinks an off planet
>>>>>real colony with families and kids that is anywhere near survivable
>>>>>without constant resupply will cost less than many trillions of dollars
>>>>>and that anyone would ever be billing to pony up the money to build one.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ever heard of Elon Musk? He's another one of us 'space cadets' who
>>>> thinks he can colonize Mars. But he's never actually built anything
>>>> or met a schedule. Well, nothing but ZIP2, Paypal, SpaceX, Tesla,
>>>> SolarCity...
>>>
>>>Perhaps if Tesla ever starts making a profit, Musk could pay for it all.
>>>
>>
>> And so we should assume that you are more successful than Elon Musk?
>>
>
>That would be a blazingly stupid assumption.
>
Yeah, I thought so, too, which is why I listen to him rather than you.
>>>>>On top of that, the space cadet likely believes that sane people, including
>>>>>female sane people, would want to migrate to one.
>>>>>
>>>>>People migrate to better their lives, not to live in a pressurized tin can.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No colony ever has better living than home, so I guess you just
>>>> 'proved' that no one will ever colonize anywhere, at any time.
>>>
>>>Total utter, and complete nonsense showing no understanding of history
>>>at all.
>>>
>>>In fact it is so blazingly stupid I'm not going to bother with a rebuttal.
>>>
>>
>> In other words, your position has blown up in your face (again).
>>
>
>Nope, in other words your statements are just too ridiculous to bother
>with.
>
In other words, your position has blown up in your face (again).
>>>>>Most everyone that was foolish enough to go would screaming to get off
>>>>>the lifeless, airless rock before very long. The gays and the anti-social
>>>>>types might stay.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So you'd stay, then.
>>>
>>>I would never go to such a place.
>>>
>>>FYI I was offered, and turned down, a stint at the DEW line for huge
>>>bucks way back when, and that was for less than two years, including
>>>travel time.
>>>
>>
>> So how many million dollars are you ahead right now, given your
>> decision making?
>>
>
>Yet another blazingly stupid question.
>
So you're not only not doing as well as Elon Musk, but you're not
doing as well as I am. We both disagree with you.
>
>Economically the decision meant I had to work while getting a degree
>as opposed to living off the DEW line money.
>
See why I believe Elon Musk before I believe you? Sounds like you
make a lot of sub-optimal decisions based on you thinking you know
things you don't know.
>>>>>The only thing that is going to ever exist off the Earth is military
>>>>>outposts and research stations.
>>>>>
>>>>>Some larger installations may have a small number of civilians around
>>>>>to provide bars and hookers and such, but no regular families and no
>>>>>kids playing in what would pass for a street.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Elon Musk disagrees with you and he's spending his own money on
>>>> initial designs. But he's just another space cadet who's never done
>>>> anything real, right?
>>>
>>>I could care less what someone else does with their money.
>>>
>>>And establishing a real colony on Mars would require many years of the
>>>worlds total gross domestic product.
>>>
>>
>> What utter bullshit.
>>
>
>It is actually irrelevant as there will hardly be anyone willing to live
>their life in a pressurized tin can breathing recycled air and drinking
>recycled water, especially female ones.
>
So we have you insisting it's just not possible without 'Star Trek'
technology (for no known reason other than you say so), that maybe it
is possible but it will take all the money in the world (for no known
reason other than you say so), or that maybe it's both possible and
affordable but nobody would go (for no known reason other than you say
so).
What we really know from your interminable expositions is that YOU
can't figure out how to make it work, that YOU can't afford it, and
that YOU wouldn't go.
Back to your cave, Chimp, while better men than you build the future
for you.
--
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable
man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore,
all progress depends on the unreasonable man."
--George Bernard Shaw
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-09 18:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <0rtntc-2gf.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #55845 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>McCall will never get the point and has obviously never had to make >>>>>>>>something on a budget. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jimp will never get the point and has obviously never had to make >>>>>>> anything, period. >>>>>> >>>>>>Yeah, right, says the starry eyed space cadet that thinks an off planet >>>>>>real colony with families and kids that is anywhere near survivable >>>>>>without constant resupply will cost less than many trillions of dollars >>>>>>and that anyone would ever be billing to pony up the money to build one. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Ever heard of Elon Musk? He's another one of us 'space cadets' who >>>>> thinks he can colonize Mars. But he's never actually built anything >>>>> or met a schedule. Well, nothing but ZIP2, Paypal, SpaceX, Tesla, >>>>> SolarCity... >>>> >>>>Perhaps if Tesla ever starts making a profit, Musk could pay for it all. >>>> >>> >>> And so we should assume that you are more successful than Elon Musk? >>> >> >>That would be a blazingly stupid assumption. >> > > Yeah, I thought so, too, which is why I listen to him rather than you. Do you get all your thougths from celebrities? > >>>>>>On top of that, the space cadet likely believes that sane people, including >>>>>>female sane people, would want to migrate to one. >>>>>> >>>>>>People migrate to better their lives, not to live in a pressurized tin can. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> No colony ever has better living than home, so I guess you just >>>>> 'proved' that no one will ever colonize anywhere, at any time. >>>> >>>>Total utter, and complete nonsense showing no understanding of history >>>>at all. >>>> >>>>In fact it is so blazingly stupid I'm not going to bother with a rebuttal. >>>> >>> >>> In other words, your position has blown up in your face (again). >>> >> >>Nope, in other words your statements are just too ridiculous to bother >>with. >> > > In other words, your position has blown up in your face (again). Does the phrase "escape religious persecution" mean anything to you? Does the phrase "own your own farm and not be a serf" mean anything to you? >>>>>>Most everyone that was foolish enough to go would screaming to get off >>>>>>the lifeless, airless rock before very long. The gays and the anti-social >>>>>>types might stay. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So you'd stay, then. >>>> >>>>I would never go to such a place. >>>> >>>>FYI I was offered, and turned down, a stint at the DEW line for huge >>>>bucks way back when, and that was for less than two years, including >>>>travel time. >>>> >>> >>> So how many million dollars are you ahead right now, given your >>> decision making? >>> >> >>Yet another blazingly stupid question. >> > > So you're not only not doing as well as Elon Musk, but you're not > doing as well as I am. We both disagree with you. You have no clue as to my economic status, space cadet. >>Economically the decision meant I had to work while getting a degree >>as opposed to living off the DEW line money. >> > > See why I believe Elon Musk before I believe you? Sounds like you > make a lot of sub-optimal decisions based on you thinking you know > things you don't know. I still concider it the correct decision. You however, may prefer to spend months in an isolated, barren location in all male company. >>>>>>The only thing that is going to ever exist off the Earth is military >>>>>>outposts and research stations. >>>>>> >>>>>>Some larger installations may have a small number of civilians around >>>>>>to provide bars and hookers and such, but no regular families and no >>>>>>kids playing in what would pass for a street. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Elon Musk disagrees with you and he's spending his own money on >>>>> initial designs. But he's just another space cadet who's never done >>>>> anything real, right? >>>> >>>>I could care less what someone else does with their money. >>>> >>>>And establishing a real colony on Mars would require many years of the >>>>worlds total gross domestic product. >>>> >>> >>> What utter bullshit. >>> >> >>It is actually irrelevant as there will hardly be anyone willing to live >>their life in a pressurized tin can breathing recycled air and drinking >>recycled water, especially female ones. >> > > So we have you insisting it's just not possible without 'Star Trek' > technology (for no known reason other than you say so), that maybe it > is possible but it will take all the money in the world (for no known > reason other than you say so), or that maybe it's both possible and > affordable but nobody would go (for no known reason other than you say > so). There is a diffenece between not possible and no one wanting to do it, space cadet. > What we really know from your interminable expositions is that YOU > can't figure out how to make it work, that YOU can't afford it, and > that YOU wouldn't go. Live my life on a barren, airless rock with nothing to do other than look out a port hole at a landscape that hasn't changed in millions of years? No thank you. > Back to your cave, Chimp, while better men than you build the future > for you. The closest thing I have to a cave is the hanger where my airplane is kept, space cadet. And there is yet another reason for not wanting to live on a barren, lifeless rock; no chance to spend $200 in fuel just to fly to an airport to eat a hamburger, see other airpanes and talk airplanes with new people. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-09 12:57 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <e6nigb90d5pcp95danne1cp7i4478jrqd8@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #55864 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>McCall will never get the point and has obviously never had to make
>>>>>>>>>something on a budget.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jimp will never get the point and has obviously never had to make
>>>>>>>> anything, period.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yeah, right, says the starry eyed space cadet that thinks an off planet
>>>>>>>real colony with families and kids that is anywhere near survivable
>>>>>>>without constant resupply will cost less than many trillions of dollars
>>>>>>>and that anyone would ever be billing to pony up the money to build one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ever heard of Elon Musk? He's another one of us 'space cadets' who
>>>>>> thinks he can colonize Mars. But he's never actually built anything
>>>>>> or met a schedule. Well, nothing but ZIP2, Paypal, SpaceX, Tesla,
>>>>>> SolarCity...
>>>>>
>>>>>Perhaps if Tesla ever starts making a profit, Musk could pay for it all.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And so we should assume that you are more successful than Elon Musk?
>>>>
>>>
>>>That would be a blazingly stupid assumption.
>>>
>>
>> Yeah, I thought so, too, which is why I listen to him rather than you.
>
>Do you get all your thougths from celebrities?
>
I get them from experts. Musk is one. You are not.
>
>>
>>>>>>>On top of that, the space cadet likely believes that sane people, including
>>>>>>>female sane people, would want to migrate to one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>People migrate to better their lives, not to live in a pressurized tin can.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No colony ever has better living than home, so I guess you just
>>>>>> 'proved' that no one will ever colonize anywhere, at any time.
>>>>>
>>>>>Total utter, and complete nonsense showing no understanding of history
>>>>>at all.
>>>>>
>>>>>In fact it is so blazingly stupid I'm not going to bother with a rebuttal.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In other words, your position has blown up in your face (again).
>>>>
>>>
>>>Nope, in other words your statements are just too ridiculous to bother
>>>with.
>>>
>>
>> In other words, your position has blown up in your face (again).
>>
>
>Does the phrase "escape religious persecution" mean anything to you?
>
>Does the phrase "own your own farm and not be a serf" mean anything to you?
>
Does the phrase "your position has blown up in your face (again)" mean
anything to you?
>>>>>>>Most everyone that was foolish enough to go would screaming to get off
>>>>>>>the lifeless, airless rock before very long. The gays and the anti-social
>>>>>>>types might stay.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So you'd stay, then.
>>>>>
>>>>>I would never go to such a place.
>>>>>
>>>>>FYI I was offered, and turned down, a stint at the DEW line for huge
>>>>>bucks way back when, and that was for less than two years, including
>>>>>travel time.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So how many million dollars are you ahead right now, given your
>>>> decision making?
>>>>
>>>
>>>Yet another blazingly stupid question.
>>>
>>
>> So you're not only not doing as well as Elon Musk, but you're not
>> doing as well as I am. We both disagree with you.
>
>You have no clue as to my economic status, space cadet.
>
You've already said that asking you how many billion dollars or how
many million dollars you have are stupid questions. That seems to
take you down to hundreds of thousands, then, at best.
>>>Economically the decision meant I had to work while getting a degree
>>>as opposed to living off the DEW line money.
>>>
>>
>> See why I believe Elon Musk before I believe you? Sounds like you
>> make a lot of sub-optimal decisions based on you thinking you know
>> things you don't know.
>
>I still concider it the correct decision.
>
Of course you do. But then, you obviously think you're infallible, so
your opinion here is no surprise.
>
>You however, may prefer to spend months in an isolated, barren location
>in all male company.
>
That rather depends on the pay and duration. You know, you seem
fixated on the whole 'presence of women' thing. Do you always think
with your penis?
>>>>>>>The only thing that is going to ever exist off the Earth is military
>>>>>>>outposts and research stations.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Some larger installations may have a small number of civilians around
>>>>>>>to provide bars and hookers and such, but no regular families and no
>>>>>>>kids playing in what would pass for a street.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Elon Musk disagrees with you and he's spending his own money on
>>>>>> initial designs. But he's just another space cadet who's never done
>>>>>> anything real, right?
>>>>>
>>>>>I could care less what someone else does with their money.
>>>>>
>>>>>And establishing a real colony on Mars would require many years of the
>>>>>worlds total gross domestic product.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What utter bullshit.
>>>>
>>>
>>>It is actually irrelevant as there will hardly be anyone willing to live
>>>their life in a pressurized tin can breathing recycled air and drinking
>>>recycled water, especially female ones.
>>>
>>
>> So we have you insisting it's just not possible without 'Star Trek'
>> technology (for no known reason other than you say so), that maybe it
>> is possible but it will take all the money in the world (for no known
>> reason other than you say so), or that maybe it's both possible and
>> affordable but nobody would go (for no known reason other than you say
>> so).
>
>There is a diffenece between not possible and no one wanting to do it,
>space cadet.
>
Yes, there is, chimp. I'm pleased that you recognize that at the end
here.
>> What we really know from your interminable expositions is that YOU
>> can't figure out how to make it work, that YOU can't afford it, and
>> that YOU wouldn't go.
>
>Live my life on a barren, airless rock with nothing to do other than
>look out a port hole at a landscape that hasn't changed in millions
>of years?
>
>No thank you.
>
By all means you should stay in your cave, Chimp. You'll be happier
that way.
>> Back to your cave, Chimp, while better men than you build the future
>> for you.
>
>The closest thing I have to a cave is the hanger where my airplane is
>kept, space cadet.
>
>And there is yet another reason for not wanting to live on a barren,
>lifeless rock; no chance to spend $200 in fuel just to fly to an
>airport to eat a hamburger, see other airpanes and talk airplanes with
>new people.
>
And a century ago you'd have been railing against airplanes as a total
waste of money and talking about how they'd never catch on.
--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2016-04-09 20:29 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <8a5otc-q7g.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #55877 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>McCall will never get the point and has obviously never had to make >>>>>>>>>>something on a budget. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jimp will never get the point and has obviously never had to make >>>>>>>>> anything, period. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Yeah, right, says the starry eyed space cadet that thinks an off planet >>>>>>>>real colony with families and kids that is anywhere near survivable >>>>>>>>without constant resupply will cost less than many trillions of dollars >>>>>>>>and that anyone would ever be billing to pony up the money to build one. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ever heard of Elon Musk? He's another one of us 'space cadets' who >>>>>>> thinks he can colonize Mars. But he's never actually built anything >>>>>>> or met a schedule. Well, nothing but ZIP2, Paypal, SpaceX, Tesla, >>>>>>> SolarCity... >>>>>> >>>>>>Perhaps if Tesla ever starts making a profit, Musk could pay for it all. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> And so we should assume that you are more successful than Elon Musk? >>>>> >>>> >>>>That would be a blazingly stupid assumption. >>>> >>> >>> Yeah, I thought so, too, which is why I listen to him rather than you. >> >>Do you get all your thougths from celebrities? >> > > I get them from experts. Musk is one. You are not. So where is Musk's space port? At a projected cost of $50 million that would be chump change for him. >>> >>>>>>>>On top of that, the space cadet likely believes that sane people, including >>>>>>>>female sane people, would want to migrate to one. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>People migrate to better their lives, not to live in a pressurized tin can. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No colony ever has better living than home, so I guess you just >>>>>>> 'proved' that no one will ever colonize anywhere, at any time. >>>>>> >>>>>>Total utter, and complete nonsense showing no understanding of history >>>>>>at all. >>>>>> >>>>>>In fact it is so blazingly stupid I'm not going to bother with a rebuttal. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> In other words, your position has blown up in your face (again). >>>>> >>>> >>>>Nope, in other words your statements are just too ridiculous to bother >>>>with. >>>> >>> >>> In other words, your position has blown up in your face (again). >>> >> >>Does the phrase "escape religious persecution" mean anything to you? >> >>Does the phrase "own your own farm and not be a serf" mean anything to you? >> > > Does the phrase "your position has blown up in your face (again)" mean > anything to you? Only that you are too blind to understand human motivations. So you are denying that escaping religious persecution and owning your own farm as opposed to being a serf wasn't a better life goal for colonists? >>>>>>>>Most everyone that was foolish enough to go would screaming to get off >>>>>>>>the lifeless, airless rock before very long. The gays and the anti-social >>>>>>>>types might stay. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So you'd stay, then. >>>>>> >>>>>>I would never go to such a place. >>>>>> >>>>>>FYI I was offered, and turned down, a stint at the DEW line for huge >>>>>>bucks way back when, and that was for less than two years, including >>>>>>travel time. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So how many million dollars are you ahead right now, given your >>>>> decision making? >>>>> >>>> >>>>Yet another blazingly stupid question. >>>> >>> >>> So you're not only not doing as well as Elon Musk, but you're not >>> doing as well as I am. We both disagree with you. >> >>You have no clue as to my economic status, space cadet. >> > > You've already said that asking you how many billion dollars or how > many million dollars you have are stupid questions. That seems to > take you down to hundreds of thousands, then, at best. Non sequitur. How much money I have has nothing to do with anything space related other than the tax dollers I pay as I would not willingly finance it no matter how much I had. >>>>Economically the decision meant I had to work while getting a degree >>>>as opposed to living off the DEW line money. >>>> >>> >>> See why I believe Elon Musk before I believe you? Sounds like you >>> make a lot of sub-optimal decisions based on you thinking you know >>> things you don't know. >> >>I still concider it the correct decision. >> > > Of course you do. But then, you obviously think you're infallible, so > your opinion here is no surprise. Non sequitur yet again. >>You however, may prefer to spend months in an isolated, barren location >>in all male company. >> > > That rather depends on the pay and duration. You know, you seem > fixated on the whole 'presence of women' thing. Do you always think > with your penis? For Mars, that duration would be lifes and for the DEW line it was a bit short of two years, and no, I am not willing to spend years without female company. You on the other hand seem to have no clue that roughly half the population is women or that women have been putting diapers on babies since long before Pampers were invented. >>>>>>>>The only thing that is going to ever exist off the Earth is military >>>>>>>>outposts and research stations. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Some larger installations may have a small number of civilians around >>>>>>>>to provide bars and hookers and such, but no regular families and no >>>>>>>>kids playing in what would pass for a street. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Elon Musk disagrees with you and he's spending his own money on >>>>>>> initial designs. But he's just another space cadet who's never done >>>>>>> anything real, right? >>>>>> >>>>>>I could care less what someone else does with their money. >>>>>> >>>>>>And establishing a real colony on Mars would require many years of the >>>>>>worlds total gross domestic product. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> What utter bullshit. >>>>> >>>> >>>>It is actually irrelevant as there will hardly be anyone willing to live >>>>their life in a pressurized tin can breathing recycled air and drinking >>>>recycled water, especially female ones. >>>> >>> >>> So we have you insisting it's just not possible without 'Star Trek' >>> technology (for no known reason other than you say so), that maybe it >>> is possible but it will take all the money in the world (for no known >>> reason other than you say so), or that maybe it's both possible and >>> affordable but nobody would go (for no known reason other than you say >>> so). >> >>There is a diffenece between not possible and no one wanting to do it, >>space cadet. >> > > Yes, there is, chimp. I'm pleased that you recognize that at the end > here. Seems I have been telling you that from the start, but it doesn't seem to get past the swarm of space ships buzzing around your head. > >>> What we really know from your interminable expositions is that YOU >>> can't figure out how to make it work, that YOU can't afford it, and >>> that YOU wouldn't go. >> >>Live my life on a barren, airless rock with nothing to do other than >>look out a port hole at a landscape that hasn't changed in millions >>of years? >> >>No thank you. >> > > By all means you should stay in your cave, Chimp. You'll be happier > that way. Again, no cave, only a hangar, space cadet. > >>> Back to your cave, Chimp, while better men than you build the future >>> for you. >> >>The closest thing I have to a cave is the hanger where my airplane is >>kept, space cadet. >> >>And there is yet another reason for not wanting to live on a barren, >>lifeless rock; no chance to spend $200 in fuel just to fly to an >>airport to eat a hamburger, see other airpanes and talk airplanes with >>new people. >> > > And a century ago you'd have been railing against airplanes as a total > waste of money and talking about how they'd never catch on. Nope, I would have been building them, space cadet. If it were possible to build my own space ship, I would be doing that too, but that is a childish dream and I grew up and figured out most of the stuff in those movies is make believe. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-09 19:30 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <3hdjgbl05tdbl2l3b7r7082qrqc4o438kj@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #55888 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>McCall will never get the point and has obviously never had to make
>>>>>>>>>>>something on a budget.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jimp will never get the point and has obviously never had to make
>>>>>>>>>> anything, period.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Yeah, right, says the starry eyed space cadet that thinks an off planet
>>>>>>>>>real colony with families and kids that is anywhere near survivable
>>>>>>>>>without constant resupply will cost less than many trillions of dollars
>>>>>>>>>and that anyone would ever be billing to pony up the money to build one.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ever heard of Elon Musk? He's another one of us 'space cadets' who
>>>>>>>> thinks he can colonize Mars. But he's never actually built anything
>>>>>>>> or met a schedule. Well, nothing but ZIP2, Paypal, SpaceX, Tesla,
>>>>>>>> SolarCity...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Perhaps if Tesla ever starts making a profit, Musk could pay for it all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And so we should assume that you are more successful than Elon Musk?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>That would be a blazingly stupid assumption.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, I thought so, too, which is why I listen to him rather than you.
>>>
>>>Do you get all your thougths from celebrities?
>>>
>>
>> I get them from experts. Musk is one. You are not.
>
>So where is Musk's space port?
>
>At a projected cost of $50 million that would be chump change for him.
>
You don't read English, do you? And I see we're back to Jimp The
Chimp's Instant Colony approach.
Chimp Hint: First you design the vehicles and mission architecture.
This is where they are now. This is where you start getting cost
numbers. Has the chimp ever built anything?
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On top of that, the space cadet likely believes that sane people, including
>>>>>>>>>female sane people, would want to migrate to one.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>People migrate to better their lives, not to live in a pressurized tin can.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No colony ever has better living than home, so I guess you just
>>>>>>>> 'proved' that no one will ever colonize anywhere, at any time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Total utter, and complete nonsense showing no understanding of history
>>>>>>>at all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In fact it is so blazingly stupid I'm not going to bother with a rebuttal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In other words, your position has blown up in your face (again).
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Nope, in other words your statements are just too ridiculous to bother
>>>>>with.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In other words, your position has blown up in your face (again).
>>>>
>>>
>>>Does the phrase "escape religious persecution" mean anything to you?
>>>
>>>Does the phrase "own your own farm and not be a serf" mean anything to you?
>>>
>>
>> Does the phrase "your position has blown up in your face (again)" mean
>> anything to you?
>>
>
>Only that you are too blind to understand human motivations.
>
>So you are denying that escaping religious persecution and owning your own
>farm as opposed to being a serf wasn't a better life goal for colonists?
>
Please read the words I actually write. I know it's hard for you.
Find someone to help you with it.
>
>>>>>>>>>Most everyone that was foolish enough to go would screaming to get off
>>>>>>>>>the lifeless, airless rock before very long. The gays and the anti-social
>>>>>>>>>types might stay.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So you'd stay, then.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I would never go to such a place.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>FYI I was offered, and turned down, a stint at the DEW line for huge
>>>>>>>bucks way back when, and that was for less than two years, including
>>>>>>>travel time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So how many million dollars are you ahead right now, given your
>>>>>> decision making?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Yet another blazingly stupid question.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So you're not only not doing as well as Elon Musk, but you're not
>>>> doing as well as I am. We both disagree with you.
>>>
>>>You have no clue as to my economic status, space cadet.
>>>
>>
>> You've already said that asking you how many billion dollars or how
>> many million dollars you have are stupid questions. That seems to
>> take you down to hundreds of thousands, then, at best.
>>
>
>Non sequitur.
>
Non sense.
>
>How much money I have has nothing to do with anything space related other
>than the tax dollers I pay as I would not willingly finance it no matter
>how much I had.
>
It's a pretty good measure of how good your choices are. Frankly,
yours seem to suck.
>>>>>Economically the decision meant I had to work while getting a degree
>>>>>as opposed to living off the DEW line money.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> See why I believe Elon Musk before I believe you? Sounds like you
>>>> make a lot of sub-optimal decisions based on you thinking you know
>>>> things you don't know.
>>>
>>>I still concider it the correct decision.
>>>
>>
>> Of course you do. But then, you obviously think you're infallible, so
>> your opinion here is no surprise.
>>
>
>Non sequitur yet again.
>
Non sense yet again.
>>>You however, may prefer to spend months in an isolated, barren location
>>>in all male company.
>>>
>>
>> That rather depends on the pay and duration. You know, you seem
>> fixated on the whole 'presence of women' thing. Do you always think
>> with your penis?
>>
>
>For Mars, that duration would be lifes and for the DEW line it was a bit
>short of two years, ...
>
You think people can't come back from Mars? The vehicles are coming
back from Mars empty. Hell, Musk is planning on offering free return
trips.
>
>... and no, I am not willing to spend years without female
>company.
>
So your problem IS that you only think with the little head between
your legs instead of using the big one!
>
>You on the other hand seem to have no clue that roughly half the population
>is women or that women have been putting diapers on babies since long
>before Pampers were invented.
>
You on the other hand seem to have no clue that back in those days
those were called 'cloth' and most colonies didn't make the stuff
locally here on Earth, either.
>>>>>>>>>The only thing that is going to ever exist off the Earth is military
>>>>>>>>>outposts and research stations.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Some larger installations may have a small number of civilians around
>>>>>>>>>to provide bars and hookers and such, but no regular families and no
>>>>>>>>>kids playing in what would pass for a street.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Elon Musk disagrees with you and he's spending his own money on
>>>>>>>> initial designs. But he's just another space cadet who's never done
>>>>>>>> anything real, right?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I could care less what someone else does with their money.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And establishing a real colony on Mars would require many years of the
>>>>>>>worlds total gross domestic product.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What utter bullshit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>It is actually irrelevant as there will hardly be anyone willing to live
>>>>>their life in a pressurized tin can breathing recycled air and drinking
>>>>>recycled water, especially female ones.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So we have you insisting it's just not possible without 'Star Trek'
>>>> technology (for no known reason other than you say so), that maybe it
>>>> is possible but it will take all the money in the world (for no known
>>>> reason other than you say so), or that maybe it's both possible and
>>>> affordable but nobody would go (for no known reason other than you say
>>>> so).
>>>
>>>There is a diffenece between not possible and no one wanting to do it,
>>>space cadet.
>>>
>>
>> Yes, there is, chimp. I'm pleased that you recognize that at the end
>> here.
>
>Seems I have been telling you that from the start, but it doesn't seem
>to get past the swarm of space ships buzzing around your head.
>
How things 'seem' to you is a local problem, but reality doesn't seem
to get past the swarm of flies buzzing around your head.
>
>>
>>>> What we really know from your interminable expositions is that YOU
>>>> can't figure out how to make it work, that YOU can't afford it, and
>>>> that YOU wouldn't go.
>>>
>>>Live my life on a barren, airless rock with nothing to do other than
>>>look out a port hole at a landscape that hasn't changed in millions
>>>of years?
>>>
>>>No thank you.
>>>
>>
>> By all means you should stay in your cave, Chimp. You'll be happier
>> that way.
>
>Again, no cave, only a hangar, space cadet.
>
Again, a century ago you'd have been railing about how useless
airplanes were and how they were a waste of money.
>>
>>>> Back to your cave, Chimp, while better men than you build the future
>>>> for you.
>>>
>>>The closest thing I have to a cave is the hanger where my airplane is
>>>kept, space cadet.
>>>
>>>And there is yet another reason for not wanting to live on a barren,
>>>lifeless rock; no chance to spend $200 in fuel just to fly to an
>>>airport to eat a hamburger, see other airpanes and talk airplanes with
>>>new people.
>>>
>>
>> And a century ago you'd have been railing against airplanes as a total
>> waste of money and talking about how they'd never catch on.
>
>Nope, I would have been building them, space cadet.
>
Sure you would, Chimp. Sure you would. You'd have defended wagons
back in the day because that newfangled horseless carriage thing was
something out of scifi, cost too much, and could never be made to be
reliable like a horse. Same with airplanes. In fact, same with
pretty much any advance. So you just trudge on back to your cave and
let better men build the future, chimp.
>
>If it were possible to build my own space ship, I would be doing that
>too, but that is a childish dream and I grew up and figured out most
>of the stuff in those movies is make believe.
>
Yet there are people doing precisely what you claim is only make
believe. Like Elon Musk.
So you keep being 'adult', chimp...
--
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable
man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore,
all progress depends on the unreasonable man."
--George Bernard Shaw
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| From | Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> |
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| Date | 2016-04-09 00:01 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <dmrk5jFr996U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #55810 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>On top of that, the space cadet likely believes that sane people, including >>>female sane people, would want to migrate to one. ... >>>Most everyone that was foolish enough to go would screaming to get off >>>the lifeless, airless rock before very long. The gays and the anti-social >>>types might stay. >>> >> >> So you'd stay, then. > >I would never go to such a place. > >FYI I was offered, and turned down, a stint at the DEW line for huge >bucks way back when, and that was for less than two years, including >travel time. I was offered big bucks to work as the in-house computer geek for a minesite in the islands halfway to the North Pole from North America. I accepted the job, then the job disappeared in a re-org. For complex reasons I couldn't get back to my original job. The job was "permanent" but I was thinking of it as a two-to-three year run. But, a two to three year run at a mine is closer to a "research station" than to a "colony" in the context of this argument. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polaris_mine -- We are geeks. Resistance is voltage over current.
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| From | William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-09 09:03 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <68db9049-ea13-4bb3-9234-e9662527c80b@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #55833 |
On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 6:01:26 PM UTC+12, Greg Goss wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > >> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > > >>>On top of that, the space cadet likely believes that sane people, including > >>>female sane people, would want to migrate to one. > ... > >>>Most everyone that was foolish enough to go would screaming to get off > >>>the lifeless, airless rock before very long. The gays and the anti-social > >>>types might stay. > >>> > >> > >> So you'd stay, then. > > > >I would never go to such a place. > > > >FYI I was offered, and turned down, a stint at the DEW line for huge > >bucks way back when, and that was for less than two years, including > >travel time. > > I was offered big bucks to work as the in-house computer geek for a > minesite in the islands halfway to the North Pole from North America. > I accepted the job, then the job disappeared in a re-org. For complex > reasons I couldn't get back to my original job. The job was > "permanent" but I was thinking of it as a two-to-three year run. But, > a two to three year run at a mine is closer to a "research station" > than to a "colony" in the context of this argument. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polaris_mine > > -- > We are geeks. Resistance is voltage over current. Tending an automated robot swarm that is extracting materials for return to Earth, and building a spec built human habitat, may be the twenty-first century equivalent of lighthouse keepers! http://www.smithsonianmag.com/ist/?next=/travel/lonely-lifesaving-job-of-lighthouse-keepers-now-revealed-at-the-national-lighthouse-museum-180956183/ The company would send a keeper and his family - in suspended animation - awakened on the site by AI. They would at the very least serve as designers and some would say guinea pigs and Judas goat for buyers of remote spec built habitats on the remote rock. They would be part owner of the output of the facility, and given advances against that income to help organise their life on the mine site. A $60 million Falcon Heavy rocket that is slightly advanced over today's model, that is reused 150 times and cost $200,000 to refuel and reuse each time, and is re-flown within four hours of launch, is flown 6x per day and retired in 25 days. The cost per launch is $240,000. A factory that produced a rocket every five days could sustain 5 rockets flying continuously delivering 30 payloads of 53 tons each to orbit every day, with launches occurring every 48 minutes. This near term objective transforms the nature of space launch. It puts pressure on reducing the price of payloads themselves. This is achieved through improved manufacturing technology as well as increased scale of production combined with standardisation of useful components avionics and software, built in large quantity. Professor Dava Newman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfsmEYPSTtk inspiration for fictional Weyland Industries' biosuit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRwnWMYpAi8 With advanced materials, not only is putting on and taking off the suit easier, its also possible to consider a long duration suit, one that is worn constantly and maintains cleanliness, comfort, and health throughout the mission - and more. Advances in suspended animation involve controlling the temperature and atmosphere of subjects and their respiration and heart rates. Something that can be done in a spacesuit or spacecraft. So, the biosuit also doubles as a stasis chamber. Controlling cell biology with manipulation of stem cells lead to advanced medical treatments that repair radiation damage and other damage and eventually even reversing the aging process. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVAaZVz9pDs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPlQFs4G1fk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUyQHvLfO0Q which has been treated in fiction as well... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brCu_ifpE28 The suits themselves will when attached to a power supply and propellant source possess the ability of flight, like today's wing suits and wearable wings. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q971MCu8MyY Once landed on an asteroid, a moon, a dwarf planet, or planet, astronauts will use sunlight and found materials, with a small bag of tricks, to shape the environment to meet their needs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IweRDzvS9Fo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ms5qoMO3gQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1t4M2XnIhI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQIMGV5vtd4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeUT_AL6t4A again this was predicted by fiction https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52XlyMbxxh8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYvvPZ6zwPE A tiny machine system that reorganises materials at the molecular level and capable of self reproduction has the ability to transform worlds in time periods that are short. AI is also a solved problem. The Jeopardy Challenge was promoted by IBM to announce this fact. The Turing Test was solved. Anyone who has an iPhone need only contact Siri to see a demonstration. A cloud based AI much in advance of Siri will be operational later this year. We have built tiny machine systems since the creation of the integrated circuit. We have built self-replicating machine systems in 2005. We are well on our way to creating an intelligent robot swarms under AI control. Earth crossing asteroids pass by Earth every day. Here's a notable example of one; http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?feature=4625 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1566_Icarus Aphelion............ 1.96932 AU Perihelion...........0.18652 AU Semi-major axis.1.07792 AU Eccentricity........0.82696 Orbital period.....1.12 a (408.77 d) Mean anomaly....231.08964° Inclination..........22.82786° Longitude of ascending node..88.02445° Argument of perihelion............31.35823° Physical characteristics Dimension..........1.27 km Mass..................2.9×10^12 kg Mean density......2 g/cm³ Surface gravity.....0.000 39 m/s² Escape velocity.....0.000 74 km/s Rotation period.....2.273 h (0.094 71 d) Albedo..................0.4 Temperature ~242 K For a solar powered system the first thing that is replicated is a solar collector. For Icarus this is important because an efficient solar panel operates as a sheild for anything behind it, when you're close to the sun. At 0.18652 perihelion sunlight is 28.7x as intense at at Earth. That's 39,322 Watts/m2 at perihelion. This energy when used efficiently to break material down and reorganise it on a molecular level, requires 45 MJ/kg, so each square meter reorganises 3.15 kg per hour at perihelion. This rate drops to 0.11 kg per hour at Earth. A high efficiency thin film solar collector covers 16 sq meters per kg. So, at 1 AU at Earth doubling time is 34 minutes. At perihelion doubling time is less than 2 minutes. Arriving at Icarus with a solar powered self replicating machine swarm, as it passes Earth, means that it takes about 24 hours to undergo 41.4 replications to process the entire asteroid into a thin sheet 7,686 km in diameter facing the Sun starting with 1 kg of machinery. At 0.18652 AU less than six months later, we have the ability to harvest significant amounts of hydrogen and power. Cell cultures brought along have the ability to double every 33 hours under the right conditions. Depending upon the elemental abundance of Icarus, if 1% of the asteroid is made of carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, hydrogen, potassium, calcium, etc., then 2.9x10^10 kg of biomass can be organised. Starting with 1 kg of cells, this takes 34.76 replications which at 33 hours each is 48 days after arrival. A year after first arrival, the entire asteroid is processed into useful and precious materials, and returned to Earth and Earth orbit. Parts might be made to enter close solar orbit as well. Let's check that out. A stable orbit at 0.18652 AU requires an object orbit at a speed of 67.25 km/sec. Icarus passes by at a speed of 90.82 km/sec before flying out to beyond Mars! So, each kg must slow by a speed of 22.48 km/sec at perihelion if it is to stay there. Using sunlight to power an ion rocket that ejects 1.73 kg of the less useful mass at 22.48 km/sec to impart 22.48 km/sec to the remaining 1 kg of useful mass - requires 434.2 MJ/kg be added to the ejected mass. So, at perihelion it takes 11.5 minutes to slow an object down to enter a stable near sun orbit. Using less material and more energy, takes longer at perihelion, but more material can enter a stable orbit close to the Sun. Using lower exhaust speeds increases propellant mass and energy requirements. Using higher exhaust speeds reduces propellant mass while increasing energy requirements.
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| From | Thomas Womack <twomack@chiark.greenend.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-04-09 09:21 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <03h*B7IWv@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk> |
| In reply to | #55782 |
In article <vj9ltc-hu6.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, <jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com> wrote: >Could you offer Martian colonists high pay? > >Possibly, but what would they do with it? They'd do what people working for high pay in unfriendly environments have always done: they'll remit it to their family at home. You don't go out to build skyscrapers in Sharjah or care for entitled brats in Riyadh in order to spend money in Sharjah or Riyadh; you do it to get the money that builds your family a nice concrete house and sends your kids to university back in Kerala or Sumatra. Tom
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2016-04-09 18:24 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <50untc-2gf.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #55836 |
In sci.physics Thomas Womack <twomack@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote: > In article <vj9ltc-hu6.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, > <jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com> wrote: >>Could you offer Martian colonists high pay? >> >>Possibly, but what would they do with it? > > They'd do what people working for high pay in unfriendly environments > have always done: they'll remit it to their family at home. You don't > go out to build skyscrapers in Sharjah or care for entitled brats in > Riyadh in order to spend money in Sharjah or Riyadh; you do it to get > the money that builds your family a nice concrete house and sends your > kids to university back in Kerala or Sumatra. > > Tom Those are basically refugees, not colonists. Colonists take their families with them. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-09 14:47 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <9c4ad3e9-deb1-4d24-a921-fe41f963db00@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #55865 |
On Sunday, April 10, 2016 at 6:31:06 AM UTC+12, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > In sci.physics Thomas Womack <twomack@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote: > > In article <vj9ltc-hu6.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, > > <jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com> wrote: > >>Could you offer Martian colonists high pay? > >> > >>Possibly, but what would they do with it? > > > > They'd do what people working for high pay in unfriendly environments > > have always done: they'll remit it to their family at home. You don't > > go out to build skyscrapers in Sharjah or care for entitled brats in > > Riyadh in order to spend money in Sharjah or Riyadh; you do it to get > > the money that builds your family a nice concrete house and sends your > > kids to university back in Kerala or Sumatra. > > > > Tom > > Those are basically refugees, not colonists. Colonists take their families > with them. > Such distinctions are useless. Prisoners were sent from Ireland to Australia with their families. Others formed families when they got here. Still others started as refugees and made a life for themselves in a variety of ways. The critical factor was the rate at which people left Europe and arrived here, and at what cost. Once those critical hurdles were met, then there was a transformation of the lands, and that informed and shaped poltical processes at the centre. http://www.australia.gov.au/about-australia/australian-story/convicts-and-the-british-colonies https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/spacex-final-frontier-william-mook > -- > Jim Pennino
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| From | William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-07 16:54 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <4f8545f5-a340-4242-9578-e2de265bcb8c@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #55747 |
All scarcity is artificially induced and maintained by those who benefit from the scarcity. Those who point this out are largely ignored by those who arrange the scarcity in the first place. This is a very ancient problem for humanity. Aristotle wrote about Plato's "Allegory of the Cave" the teaching of which resulted in Plato's sentence of death by the ruling oligarchy of Greece. Not before he awakened many Greeks to their plight, which resulted in the oligarchy abandoning Greece in favour of Rome. In the end, Rome was abandoned in favour of The Church, and that was abandoned in favour of Nation-States and International Banking Cartels. We are undergoing another transformation today, which will result in emergent systems of organising human behaviour having little to do with the legacy systems we take for granted today. Today a general awakening is occurring and will result in absolute repudiation of all existing systems. You can see that happening now; Government https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fU07AdnZiSw Religion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_TDgTebF_Y Education https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeEWPbTad_Q Culture https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiVxbS02kp0 The legacy systems described above will be replaced by an emergent system that is voluntarily supported by all without appeal to fear or violence. Emergence https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pooxD8XF5Uw This will lead to the rapid transformation of humanity once we begin selecting for 'tameness' uniformly. Balyaev Experiment https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jFGNQScRNY So, it is not only our range that will change, but outselves as well.
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| From | Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-09 15:49 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <neb89c$utl$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #55747 |
For your reference, records indicate that Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote: > Fred J McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> schrieb: > > > Colonies always need supply and support initially. Colonies off the > > Earth will be no different. > > The main problem I see for space coloies is the complexity of the > technology that is needed for survival, if spare parts cannot be > imported. > > Take a simple O-ring used as a seal as as an example. No, don’t! The entire problem here is that people are coming at the challenge from an Earth-based perspective. Yes, it is absolutely true that everything that comes from Earth is going to have Earth-optimized production and Earth-centric uses. But you need to immediately shift your thinking to the location you’re at, whether it’s the Moon or Mars or elsewhere, and begin thinking about what you can do with the r esources you have at hand. It might mean thinking up an entirely new solution to the problem than using something from Earth. > So, is there a way around this? You can try to restrict yourself > to the materials that you really, really need. This will mean > that your solutions will be much worse than what you could get on > Earth by just ordering the products you needed. I am not sure > that this will be easy given the harshness of your environment, > where your solutions should be good if you want to survive. This may be true. There must be some minimum mix of resources that allow a human-level colony to self-sustainingly survive on a world. We’ll find it by exploring the problem, not by dismissing it out of hand just because our thinking is limited by some “irreducible complexity” argument. -- "Also . . . I can kill you with my brain." River Tam, Trash, Firefly
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-09 10:45 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <jreigb97tokbpu7udr70c1be90j0bqaj6k@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #55856 |
Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote:
>For your reference, records indicate that
>Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote:
>
>> Fred J McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> schrieb:
>>
>> > Colonies always need supply and support initially. Colonies off the
>> > Earth will be no different.
>>
>> The main problem I see for space coloies is the complexity of the
>> technology that is needed for survival, if spare parts cannot be
>> imported.
>>
>> Take a simple O-ring used as a seal as as an example.
>
>No, don’t! The entire problem here is that people are coming at the
>challenge from an Earth-based perspective. Yes, it is absolutely true
>that everything that comes from Earth is going to have Earth-optimized
>production and Earth-centric uses. But you need to immediately shift
>your thinking to the location you’re at, whether it’s the Moon or Mars
>or elsewhere, and begin thinking about what you can do with the r
>esources you have at hand. It might mean thinking up an entirely new
>solution to the problem than using something from Earth.
>
Exactly. Most things will get done different in an off-world colony
than they are here. The best example of that is Chimp's insisting
that a colony needs a multi-hundred megawatt PWR with a river or lake
for cooling. You'd never go down the path to build such a thing
somewhere that you didn't have free flowing water. You'll solve the
'power problem' some other way. For example, start with
self-contained reactors of much smaller size (a few hundred thousand
kWe) that don't require rivers to cool. Keep adding those and
bootstrap to large solar arrays produced from in situ resources.
>> So, is there a way around this? You can try to restrict yourself
>> to the materials that you really, really need. This will mean
>> that your solutions will be much worse than what you could get on
>> Earth by just ordering the products you needed. I am not sure
>> that this will be easy given the harshness of your environment,
>> where your solutions should be good if you want to survive.
>
>This may be true. There must be some minimum mix of resources that allow
>a human-level colony to self-sustainingly survive on a world. We’ll find
>it by exploring the problem, not by dismissing it out of hand just because
>our thinking is limited by some “irreducible complexity” argument.
>
Look at Musk's "Mars Colony Transporter" plan. He's talking about 90
TONS of supply per colonist and eventually sending them in batches of
100 (9 cargo launches per colonist launch). He thinks he can run that
'break even' at $5 million per launch ($50 million for 100 colonists
and all their supplies). I think he's a little optimistic, but...
--
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable
man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore,
all progress depends on the unreasonable man."
--George Bernard Shaw
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2016-04-09 19:08 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <0j0otc-2gf.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #55861 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote: > >>For your reference, records indicate that >>Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote: >> >>> Fred J McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> schrieb: >>> >>> > Colonies always need supply and support initially. Colonies off the >>> > Earth will be no different. >>> >>> The main problem I see for space coloies is the complexity of the >>> technology that is needed for survival, if spare parts cannot be >>> imported. >>> >>> Take a simple O-ring used as a seal as as an example. >> >>No, don?t! The entire problem here is that people are coming at the >>challenge from an Earth-based perspective. Yes, it is absolutely true >>that everything that comes from Earth is going to have Earth-optimized >>production and Earth-centric uses. But you need to immediately shift >>your thinking to the location you?re at, whether it?s the Moon or Mars >>or elsewhere, and begin thinking about what you can do with the r >>esources you have at hand. It might mean thinking up an entirely new >>solution to the problem than using something from Earth. >> > > Exactly. Most things will get done different in an off-world colony > than they are here. The best example of that is Chimp's insisting > that a colony needs a multi-hundred megawatt PWR with a river or lake > for cooling. You'd never go down the path to build such a thing > somewhere that you didn't have free flowing water. You'll solve the > 'power problem' some other way. For example, start with > self-contained reactors of much smaller size (a few hundred thousand > kWe) that don't require rivers to cool. Keep adding those and > bootstrap to large solar arrays produced from in situ resources. > >>> So, is there a way around this? You can try to restrict yourself >>> to the materials that you really, really need. This will mean >>> that your solutions will be much worse than what you could get on >>> Earth by just ordering the products you needed. I am not sure >>> that this will be easy given the harshness of your environment, >>> where your solutions should be good if you want to survive. >> >>This may be true. There must be some minimum mix of resources that allow >>a human-level colony to self-sustainingly survive on a world. We?ll find >>it by exploring the problem, not by dismissing it out of hand just because >>our thinking is limited by some ?irreducible complexity? argument. >> > > Look at Musk's "Mars Colony Transporter" plan. He's talking about 90 > TONS of supply per colonist and eventually sending them in batches of > 100 (9 cargo launches per colonist launch). He thinks he can run that > 'break even' at $5 million per launch ($50 million for 100 colonists > and all their supplies). I think he's a little optimistic, but... Now all he needs to do is find people without dicks that are willng to go. As $50 million is chump change to his net worth, why hasn't he started? -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-09 13:22 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <62pigb9g2vit51bq47lg1l9b43numtqpl0@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #55873 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote:
>>
>>>For your reference, records indicate that
>>>Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Fred J McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> schrieb:
>>>>
>>>> > Colonies always need supply and support initially. Colonies off the
>>>> > Earth will be no different.
>>>>
>>>> The main problem I see for space coloies is the complexity of the
>>>> technology that is needed for survival, if spare parts cannot be
>>>> imported.
>>>>
>>>> Take a simple O-ring used as a seal as as an example.
>>>
>>>No, don?t! The entire problem here is that people are coming at the
>>>challenge from an Earth-based perspective. Yes, it is absolutely true
>>>that everything that comes from Earth is going to have Earth-optimized
>>>production and Earth-centric uses. But you need to immediately shift
>>>your thinking to the location you?re at, whether it?s the Moon or Mars
>>>or elsewhere, and begin thinking about what you can do with the r
>>>esources you have at hand. It might mean thinking up an entirely new
>>>solution to the problem than using something from Earth.
>>>
>>
>> Exactly. Most things will get done different in an off-world colony
>> than they are here. The best example of that is Chimp's insisting
>> that a colony needs a multi-hundred megawatt PWR with a river or lake
>> for cooling. You'd never go down the path to build such a thing
>> somewhere that you didn't have free flowing water. You'll solve the
>> 'power problem' some other way. For example, start with
>> self-contained reactors of much smaller size (a few hundred thousand
>> kWe) that don't require rivers to cool. Keep adding those and
>> bootstrap to large solar arrays produced from in situ resources.
>>
>>>> So, is there a way around this? You can try to restrict yourself
>>>> to the materials that you really, really need. This will mean
>>>> that your solutions will be much worse than what you could get on
>>>> Earth by just ordering the products you needed. I am not sure
>>>> that this will be easy given the harshness of your environment,
>>>> where your solutions should be good if you want to survive.
>>>
>>>This may be true. There must be some minimum mix of resources that allow
>>>a human-level colony to self-sustainingly survive on a world. We?ll find
>>>it by exploring the problem, not by dismissing it out of hand just because
>>>our thinking is limited by some ?irreducible complexity? argument.
>>>
>>
>> Look at Musk's "Mars Colony Transporter" plan. He's talking about 90
>> TONS of supply per colonist and eventually sending them in batches of
>> 100 (9 cargo launches per colonist launch). He thinks he can run that
>> 'break even' at $5 million per launch ($50 million for 100 colonists
>> and all their supplies). I think he's a little optimistic, but...
>
>Now all he needs to do is find people without dicks that are willng to go.
>
Not that hard.
>
>As $50 million is chump change to his net worth, why hasn't he started?
>
He has. However, unlike you, he recognizes that there is no 'instant'
colony solution.
--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
only stupid."
-- Heinrich Heine
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