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| Started by | "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> |
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| First post | 2017-07-03 08:31 -0400 |
| Last post | 2017-11-25 20:25 -0800 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 313 — 26 participants |
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Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2017-07-03 08:31 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-07-03 09:04 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-03 17:04 +0000
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2017-07-03 14:04 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-03 18:28 +0000
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2017-07-03 16:14 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-03 20:57 +0000
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-03 16:14 -0700
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-04 00:45 +0000
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-03 20:11 -0700
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-04 04:55 +0000
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-04 02:29 -0700
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-11-23 16:14 +0100
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-04 06:49 +0100
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-04 18:02 +0000
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-07-04 22:59 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-05 04:51 +0000
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-07-04 21:33 -0700
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 07:16 +0100
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-05 16:47 +0000
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 11:08 -0700
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-05 21:02 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 19:12 -0700
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-05 22:16 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 23:30 -0700
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-06 09:35 +0100
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-06 10:05 -0700
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-06 21:20 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Sегg io <innvalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-07 08:03 -0500
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-06 21:19 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-04 23:05 -0700
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2017-07-04 20:08 -0600
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2017-07-04 09:11 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-07-04 11:47 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-04 18:19 +0000
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-07-04 23:04 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-05 04:56 +0000
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-04 23:16 -0700
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-04 18:12 +0000
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 07:20 +0100
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-05 16:54 +0000
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2017-07-05 18:42 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-05 23:07 +0000
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-06 09:30 +0100
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2017-07-06 06:35 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-06 16:34 +0000
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-06 21:25 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-07 04:56 +0000
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-07 02:09 -0700
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-07 20:18 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-07 06:19 +0100
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-07 17:13 +0000
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-08 06:49 +0100
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-08 17:13 +0000
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 07:12 +0100
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-09 17:44 +0000
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 12:48 -0700
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Sегg io <innvalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-09 23:27 -0500
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-10 07:11 +0100
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-10 16:30 +0000
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-11 06:49 +0100
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-11 17:47 +0000
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-11 13:15 -0700
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-11 16:27 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-11 14:46 -0700
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-11 18:36 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-11 18:20 -0700
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-11 21:31 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-11 22:12 +0000
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> - 2017-07-11 19:01 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-12 02:24 +0000
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-11 22:44 -0700
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2017-07-12 10:24 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-13 20:57 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-13 23:17 -0700
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-14 17:42 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-14 16:11 -0700
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-11 18:21 -0700
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2017-07-12 07:28 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-12 05:10 -0700
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-12 17:45 +0000
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-12 18:39 -0500
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-12 21:29 -0700
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-13 20:27 -0500
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-13 23:22 -0700
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-14 11:55 -0500
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-13 21:01 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-14 02:11 +0000
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-13 22:56 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-14 05:03 +0000
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-14 17:50 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-14 23:49 +0000
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-14 23:04 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-15 05:02 +0000
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-15 08:51 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-15 17:23 +0000
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-15 18:08 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-16 02:02 +0000
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2017-07-16 12:53 -0600
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-17 13:04 -0500
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2017-07-16 09:51 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-16 11:04 -0500
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-16 17:55 +0000
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2017-07-16 16:15 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-16 20:26 +0000
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2017-07-16 15:32 -0600
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-16 22:08 +0000
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-07-16 15:21 -0700
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-16 22:53 +0000
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-16 17:00 -0700
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-17 09:06 -0500
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-17 20:23 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2017-07-16 15:27 -0600
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2017-07-16 17:39 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-07-17 09:46 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-16 22:16 +0000
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2017-07-16 13:04 -0500
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-12 07:04 +0100
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-12 17:48 +0000
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-13 06:50 +0100
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-13 17:29 +0000
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-14 05:51 +0100
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-14 05:11 +0000
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-15 06:36 +0100
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2017-07-15 00:27 -0600
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-15 08:52 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-16 06:40 +0100
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-16 16:02 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-17 06:02 +0100
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-17 20:31 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-18 06:32 +0100
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-18 21:10 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-19 05:08 +0100
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-19 20:17 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-20 01:11 +0000
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-20 06:23 +0100
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-20 03:35 -0700
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-20 05:56 +0100
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-20 10:18 -0500
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-07-20 11:34 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-20 16:25 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-20 20:42 +0000
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-20 16:40 -0700
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-20 19:54 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-20 19:15 -0500
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-20 20:38 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2017-07-21 07:01 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-20 16:24 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-15 17:26 +0000
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2017-07-15 11:33 -0500
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-15 17:39 +0000
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-13 21:03 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-13 23:19 -0700
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-14 17:52 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-14 16:12 -0700
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-14 19:54 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-14 09:43 +0100
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> - 2017-07-13 09:30 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-13 17:37 +0000
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-13 21:07 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-14 02:18 +0000
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-13 22:59 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-14 05:07 +0000
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-14 13:59 -0700
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-14 17:55 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-14 23:53 +0000
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-14 23:07 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-15 05:06 +0000
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-14 23:17 -0700
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-15 08:57 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-15 17:53 +0000
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-15 18:12 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-16 02:07 +0000
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-16 03:13 -0700
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2017-07-14 07:14 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-14 17:11 +0000
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2017-07-14 20:09 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-15 02:14 +0000
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-07-14 23:09 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-15 05:13 +0000
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-14 23:19 -0700
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-15 06:57 +0100
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-15 18:19 +0000
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-16 07:06 +0100
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2017-07-16 14:06 -0600
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-16 20:29 +0000
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2017-07-15 00:33 -0600
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2017-07-15 16:11 -0400
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-15 21:27 +0000
Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-15 18:17 -0400
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| From | Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> |
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| Date | 2017-07-16 09:51 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <MPG.33d5395dbd3d7123989990@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #60710 |
In article <mp3kmc903h1e7mhm1fbqnfe2ngtsd6iuv5@4ax.com>, krw@notreal.com says... > The point is that CAD on minicomputers was very minimal. It was the > domain of the mainframe. Rubylith was the tool of choice for the > electronics industry. > I've worked on CAE software that's tightly integrated with CAD my entire professional life. Back in about 1988 our CAD/CAE software still ran on mainframes (IBM, DEC, and etc.) but the transition to Unix workstations was in its infancy. Back then, PCs were "toys" that quite simply couldn't handle professional level CAD/CAE software. In the early 1990s Unix Workstations dominated for running CAD/CAE software. A good SGI "box" would run you about $20k in early 1990s dollars (about $33k today). Today, you can comfortably run CAD/CAE software (at least the CAE pre/post) on a sub $2k PC running Windows OS. But many customers will go quite a bit over $2k with things like solid state drives and 64 GB or more of RAM coupled with the best professional graphics card money can buy (no, they're not quite the same as consumer/gaming cards). Still, the most "decked out" PC workstation today will still cost a fraction of what a Unix workstation used to cost in the early 1990s. So again, we see yet another example of improving technologies driving down costs in a market. Jeff -- All opinions posted by me on Usenet News are mine, and mine alone. These posts do not reflect the opinions of my family, friends, employer, or any organization that I am a member of.
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| From | Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2017-07-16 11:04 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <okg2qu$17de$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #60742 |
On 7/16/2017 8:51 AM, Jeff Findley wrote: > In article <mp3kmc903h1e7mhm1fbqnfe2ngtsd6iuv5@4ax.com>, krw@notreal.com > says... >> The point is that CAD on minicomputers was very minimal. It was the >> domain of the mainframe. Rubylith was the tool of choice for the >> electronics industry. >> > > I've worked on CAE software that's tightly integrated with CAD my entire > professional life. Back in about 1988 our CAD/CAE software still ran on > mainframes (IBM, DEC, and etc.) but the transition to Unix workstations > was in its infancy. Back then, PCs were "toys" that quite simply > couldn't handle professional level CAD/CAE software. > > In the early 1990s Unix Workstations dominated for running CAD/CAE > software. A good SGI "box" would run you about $20k in early 1990s > dollars (about $33k today). > > Today, you can comfortably run CAD/CAE software (at least the CAE > pre/post) on a sub $2k PC running Windows OS. But many customers will > go quite a bit over $2k with things like solid state drives and 64 GB or > more of RAM coupled with the best professional graphics card money can > buy (no, they're not quite the same as consumer/gaming cards). Still, > the most "decked out" PC workstation today will still cost a fraction of > what a Unix workstation used to cost in the early 1990s. > > So again, we see yet another example of improving technologies driving > down costs in a market. > > Jeff > key to that is the higher level of integration on the PC Chips, more functions were pulled into fewer pieces of silicon. and the maturing of PC software, it was quite unstable, Win 3.1 ? etc... Win XP had good stability, not as good as Unix. the Telcos ran Unix for decades, very reliable and hated PCs (unreliable) Unix sort of split into Linux (low cost) and HP UNIX (high end, high cost on high cost hardware) Which slowly ran HP into the ground. I was offered a mainframe computer with 8 remote stations, (1990's) but I had to haul it from a second story down, and in evaluating it, it had less power than a PC (AT) at the time, and custom software, custom software apps... I turned it down. Big Boat Anchor.
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2017-07-16 17:55 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <1tls3e-me7.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #60742 |
In sci.physics Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote: > In article <mp3kmc903h1e7mhm1fbqnfe2ngtsd6iuv5@4ax.com>, krw@notreal.com > says... >> The point is that CAD on minicomputers was very minimal. It was the >> domain of the mainframe. Rubylith was the tool of choice for the >> electronics industry. >> > > I've worked on CAE software that's tightly integrated with CAD my entire > professional life. Back in about 1988 our CAD/CAE software still ran on > mainframes (IBM, DEC, and etc.) but the transition to Unix workstations > was in its infancy. Back then, PCs were "toys" that quite simply > couldn't handle professional level CAD/CAE software. > > In the early 1990s Unix Workstations dominated for running CAD/CAE > software. A good SGI "box" would run you about $20k in early 1990s > dollars (about $33k today). > > Today, you can comfortably run CAD/CAE software (at least the CAE > pre/post) on a sub $2k PC running Windows OS. But many customers will > go quite a bit over $2k with things like solid state drives and 64 GB or > more of RAM coupled with the best professional graphics card money can > buy (no, they're not quite the same as consumer/gaming cards). Still, > the most "decked out" PC workstation today will still cost a fraction of > what a Unix workstation used to cost in the early 1990s. > > So again, we see yet another example of improving technologies driving > down costs in a market. Nope, what we see is yet another example of consumer demand driving down manufacturing costs by encouraging high volume, automated, manufacturing. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> |
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| Date | 2017-07-16 16:15 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <MPG.33d59373a7633d44989992@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #60751 |
In article <1tls3e-me7.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com says... > > In sci.physics Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote: > > In article <mp3kmc903h1e7mhm1fbqnfe2ngtsd6iuv5@4ax.com>, krw@notreal.com > > says... > >> The point is that CAD on minicomputers was very minimal. It was the > >> domain of the mainframe. Rubylith was the tool of choice for the > >> electronics industry. > >> > > > > I've worked on CAE software that's tightly integrated with CAD my entire > > professional life. Back in about 1988 our CAD/CAE software still ran on > > mainframes (IBM, DEC, and etc.) but the transition to Unix workstations > > was in its infancy. Back then, PCs were "toys" that quite simply > > couldn't handle professional level CAD/CAE software. > > > > In the early 1990s Unix Workstations dominated for running CAD/CAE > > software. A good SGI "box" would run you about $20k in early 1990s > > dollars (about $33k today). > > > > Today, you can comfortably run CAD/CAE software (at least the CAE > > pre/post) on a sub $2k PC running Windows OS. But many customers will > > go quite a bit over $2k with things like solid state drives and 64 GB or > > more of RAM coupled with the best professional graphics card money can > > buy (no, they're not quite the same as consumer/gaming cards). Still, > > the most "decked out" PC workstation today will still cost a fraction of > > what a Unix workstation used to cost in the early 1990s. > > > > So again, we see yet another example of improving technologies driving > > down costs in a market. > > Nope, what we see is yet another example of consumer demand driving down > manufacturing costs by encouraging high volume, automated, manufacturing. Bullshit. The technology in a PC today is quite different than that of a PC made in 1988. Nothing in a PC from 1988 would even "plug into" a PC bought today, except maybe the keyboard and mouse. And the PC today is literally orders of magnitude faster. Jeff -- All opinions posted by me on Usenet News are mine, and mine alone. These posts do not reflect the opinions of my family, friends, employer, or any organization that I am a member of.
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2017-07-16 20:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <qnus3e-3g8.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
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In sci.physics Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote: > In article <1tls3e-me7.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com > says... >> >> In sci.physics Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote: >> > In article <mp3kmc903h1e7mhm1fbqnfe2ngtsd6iuv5@4ax.com>, krw@notreal.com >> > says... >> >> The point is that CAD on minicomputers was very minimal. It was the >> >> domain of the mainframe. Rubylith was the tool of choice for the >> >> electronics industry. >> >> >> > >> > I've worked on CAE software that's tightly integrated with CAD my entire >> > professional life. Back in about 1988 our CAD/CAE software still ran on >> > mainframes (IBM, DEC, and etc.) but the transition to Unix workstations >> > was in its infancy. Back then, PCs were "toys" that quite simply >> > couldn't handle professional level CAD/CAE software. >> > >> > In the early 1990s Unix Workstations dominated for running CAD/CAE >> > software. A good SGI "box" would run you about $20k in early 1990s >> > dollars (about $33k today). >> > >> > Today, you can comfortably run CAD/CAE software (at least the CAE >> > pre/post) on a sub $2k PC running Windows OS. But many customers will >> > go quite a bit over $2k with things like solid state drives and 64 GB or >> > more of RAM coupled with the best professional graphics card money can >> > buy (no, they're not quite the same as consumer/gaming cards). Still, >> > the most "decked out" PC workstation today will still cost a fraction of >> > what a Unix workstation used to cost in the early 1990s. >> > >> > So again, we see yet another example of improving technologies driving >> > down costs in a market. >> >> Nope, what we see is yet another example of consumer demand driving down >> manufacturing costs by encouraging high volume, automated, manufacturing. > > Bullshit. The technology in a PC today is quite different than that of > a PC made in 1988. Nothing in a PC from 1988 would even "plug into" a > PC bought today, except maybe the keyboard and mouse. And the PC today > is literally orders of magnitude faster. > > Jeff So what? Nothing from a 1988 Ford F150 would even "plug into" a Ford F150 bought today. BTW, a current Ford F150 costs about the same (in adjusted dollars) as a 1988 Ford F150 and does not perform significantly differently. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> |
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| Date | 2017-07-16 15:32 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <et24b8F5796U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #60764 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >Nothing from a 1988 Ford F150 would even "plug into" a Ford F150 bought today. > >BTW, a current Ford F150 costs about the same (in adjusted dollars) as a >1988 Ford F150 and does not perform significantly differently. Lug nuts. Maybe whole wheels. Antifreeze. Gasoline (so long as we stay this side of 1972 or so.) Does Ford still use a different tranny fluid than everyone else like they did in the seventies? Are modern "power points" heat resistant enough to take an old cigarette lighter? Has the trailer ball hitch changed since WW2? I realize that "hidden hitch" sockets are a newer idea, but the old trailers can still be "plugged in". You might need an adapter for the lights on the trailer. The controls have stayed remarkably steady. You've got the PRNDL tranny setting, probably using a lever identical to the one thirty years ago. You've got the steering wheel and two pedals. -- We are geeks. Resistance is voltage over current.
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2017-07-16 22:08 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <no4t3e-t59.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #60767 |
In sci.physics Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>Nothing from a 1988 Ford F150 would even "plug into" a Ford F150 bought today. >> >>BTW, a current Ford F150 costs about the same (in adjusted dollars) as a >>1988 Ford F150 and does not perform significantly differently. > > Lug nuts. Maybe whole wheels. Antifreeze. Gasoline (so long as we > stay this side of 1972 or so.) Does Ford still use a different tranny > fluid than everyone else like they did in the seventies? > > Are modern "power points" heat resistant enough to take an old > cigarette lighter? > > Has the trailer ball hitch changed since WW2? I realize that "hidden > hitch" sockets are a newer idea, but the old trailers can still be > "plugged in". You might need an adapter for the lights on the > trailer. > > The controls have stayed remarkably steady. You've got the PRNDL > tranny setting, probably using a lever identical to the one thirty > years ago. You've got the steering wheel and two pedals. Try fixing a broken current Ford F150 with parts from a 1988 Ford F150 and see how far you get. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> |
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| Date | 2017-07-16 15:21 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <bipnmct0h614sdp5ogaa4899phfv1mlnjg@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #60767 |
On Sun, 16 Jul 2017 15:32:10 -0600, Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote: >jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>Nothing from a 1988 Ford F150 would even "plug into" a Ford F150 bought today. >> >>BTW, a current Ford F150 costs about the same (in adjusted dollars) as a >>1988 Ford F150 and does not perform significantly differently. > >Lug nuts. Maybe whole wheels. Antifreeze. Gasoline (so long as we >stay this side of 1972 or so.) Does Ford still use a different tranny >fluid than everyone else like they did in the seventies? > >Are modern "power points" heat resistant enough to take an old >cigarette lighter? > >Has the trailer ball hitch changed since WW2? I realize that "hidden >hitch" sockets are a newer idea, but the old trailers can still be >"plugged in". You might need an adapter for the lights on the >trailer. > >The controls have stayed remarkably steady. You've got the PRNDL >tranny setting, probably using a lever identical to the one thirty >years ago. You've got the steering wheel and two pedals. Crankshaft, pistons, rings, spark plugs, poppet valves, gears. Hasn't changed much in over a century. -- John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc lunatic fringe electronics
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2017-07-16 22:53 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <4d7t3e-5f9.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #60770 |
In sci.physics John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote: > On Sun, 16 Jul 2017 15:32:10 -0600, Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote: > >>jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >> >>>Nothing from a 1988 Ford F150 would even "plug into" a Ford F150 bought today. >>> >>>BTW, a current Ford F150 costs about the same (in adjusted dollars) as a >>>1988 Ford F150 and does not perform significantly differently. >> >>Lug nuts. Maybe whole wheels. Antifreeze. Gasoline (so long as we >>stay this side of 1972 or so.) Does Ford still use a different tranny >>fluid than everyone else like they did in the seventies? >> >>Are modern "power points" heat resistant enough to take an old >>cigarette lighter? >> >>Has the trailer ball hitch changed since WW2? I realize that "hidden >>hitch" sockets are a newer idea, but the old trailers can still be >>"plugged in". You might need an adapter for the lights on the >>trailer. >> >>The controls have stayed remarkably steady. You've got the PRNDL >>tranny setting, probably using a lever identical to the one thirty >>years ago. You've got the steering wheel and two pedals. > > Crankshaft, pistons, rings, spark plugs, poppet valves, gears. Hasn't > changed much in over a century. Try taking any of those from a 1988 Ford F150 and installing them on a current Ford F150. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-07-16 17:00 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <mmunmclsbbaoceiqhv0ijgmqk2u59te76h@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #60770 |
John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 16 Jul 2017 15:32:10 -0600, Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote:
>
>>jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>>Nothing from a 1988 Ford F150 would even "plug into" a Ford F150 bought today.
>>>
>>>BTW, a current Ford F150 costs about the same (in adjusted dollars) as a
>>>1988 Ford F150 and does not perform significantly differently.
>>
>>Lug nuts. Maybe whole wheels. Antifreeze. Gasoline (so long as we
>>stay this side of 1972 or so.) Does Ford still use a different tranny
>>fluid than everyone else like they did in the seventies?
>>
>>Are modern "power points" heat resistant enough to take an old
>>cigarette lighter?
>>
>>Has the trailer ball hitch changed since WW2? I realize that "hidden
>>hitch" sockets are a newer idea, but the old trailers can still be
>>"plugged in". You might need an adapter for the lights on the
>>trailer.
>>
>>The controls have stayed remarkably steady. You've got the PRNDL
>>tranny setting, probably using a lever identical to the one thirty
>>years ago. You've got the steering wheel and two pedals.
>>
>
>Crankshaft, pistons, rings, spark plugs, poppet valves, gears. Hasn't
>changed much in over a century.
>
Actually, other than cosmetics, the bulk of the change tends to be in
engines. Look at performance now vs performance then. My 1985
Corvette with a big V-8 did 0-60 is 6-ish seconds, a 15 second quarter
mile at 91 MPH, and had a top speed of 150 MPH. It was the fasted
mass produced car of its day. My current car (BMW 435i with a small
straight six) does 0-60 in 5.2 seconds or so, a 13.7 second quarter
mile at 102 MPH, and a governed top speed of 155 MPH. The BMW handily
beats the old 'Vette and it isn't even considered a performance car
these days.
--
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable
man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore,
all progress depends on the unreasonable man."
--George Bernard Shaw
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| From | Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2017-07-17 09:06 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <okig9f$sf7$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #60777 |
On 7/16/2017 7:00 PM, Fred J. McCall wrote: > John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote: > >> On Sun, 16 Jul 2017 15:32:10 -0600, Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote: >> >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >>>> Nothing from a 1988 Ford F150 would even "plug into" a Ford F150 bought today. >>>> >>>> BTW, a current Ford F150 costs about the same (in adjusted dollars) as a >>>> 1988 Ford F150 and does not perform significantly differently. >>> >>> Lug nuts. Maybe whole wheels. Antifreeze. Gasoline (so long as we >>> stay this side of 1972 or so.) Does Ford still use a different tranny >>> fluid than everyone else like they did in the seventies? >>> >>> Are modern "power points" heat resistant enough to take an old >>> cigarette lighter? >>> >>> Has the trailer ball hitch changed since WW2? I realize that "hidden >>> hitch" sockets are a newer idea, but the old trailers can still be >>> "plugged in". You might need an adapter for the lights on the >>> trailer. >>> >>> The controls have stayed remarkably steady. You've got the PRNDL >>> tranny setting, probably using a lever identical to the one thirty >>> years ago. You've got the steering wheel and two pedals. >>> >> >> Crankshaft, pistons, rings, spark plugs, poppet valves, gears. Hasn't >> changed much in over a century. >> > > Actually, other than cosmetics, the bulk of the change tends to be in > engines. Look at performance now vs performance then. My 1985 > Corvette with a big V-8 did 0-60 is 6-ish seconds, a 15 second quarter > mile at 91 MPH, and had a top speed of 150 MPH. It was the fasted > mass produced car of its day. My current car (BMW 435i with a small > straight six) does 0-60 in 5.2 seconds or so, a 13.7 second quarter > mile at 102 MPH, and a governed top speed of 155 MPH. The BMW handily > beats the old 'Vette and it isn't even considered a performance car > these days. > > Mustangs - V8 1993 240HP gas mileage 18 on highway (I put a supercharger on this one to get to 330HP, too scary for the wife, +others, a muscle car) Now 2015 Mustang V8 makes 427Hp and gets good gas milage 26 on highway, and it is a nice ride, a sports car.
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| From | krw@notreal.com |
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| Date | 2017-07-17 20:23 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <52lqmc1fd0rtgjl1fg7ghkmukai0q1770n@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #60782 |
On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 09:06:37 -0500, Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> wrote: >On 7/16/2017 7:00 PM, Fred J. McCall wrote: >> John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote: >> >>> On Sun, 16 Jul 2017 15:32:10 -0600, Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote: >>> >>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>> >>>>> Nothing from a 1988 Ford F150 would even "plug into" a Ford F150 bought today. >>>>> >>>>> BTW, a current Ford F150 costs about the same (in adjusted dollars) as a >>>>> 1988 Ford F150 and does not perform significantly differently. >>>> >>>> Lug nuts. Maybe whole wheels. Antifreeze. Gasoline (so long as we >>>> stay this side of 1972 or so.) Does Ford still use a different tranny >>>> fluid than everyone else like they did in the seventies? >>>> >>>> Are modern "power points" heat resistant enough to take an old >>>> cigarette lighter? >>>> >>>> Has the trailer ball hitch changed since WW2? I realize that "hidden >>>> hitch" sockets are a newer idea, but the old trailers can still be >>>> "plugged in". You might need an adapter for the lights on the >>>> trailer. >>>> >>>> The controls have stayed remarkably steady. You've got the PRNDL >>>> tranny setting, probably using a lever identical to the one thirty >>>> years ago. You've got the steering wheel and two pedals. >>>> >>> >>> Crankshaft, pistons, rings, spark plugs, poppet valves, gears. Hasn't >>> changed much in over a century. >>> >> >> Actually, other than cosmetics, the bulk of the change tends to be in >> engines. Look at performance now vs performance then. My 1985 >> Corvette with a big V-8 did 0-60 is 6-ish seconds, a 15 second quarter >> mile at 91 MPH, and had a top speed of 150 MPH. It was the fasted >> mass produced car of its day. My current car (BMW 435i with a small >> straight six) does 0-60 in 5.2 seconds or so, a 13.7 second quarter >> mile at 102 MPH, and a governed top speed of 155 MPH. The BMW handily >> beats the old 'Vette and it isn't even considered a performance car >> these days. >> >> > >Mustangs - V8 1993 240HP gas mileage 18 on highway (I put a >supercharger on this one to get to 330HP, too scary for the wife, >+others, a muscle car) My 65YO wife's 2014 6-cylinder 300HP Mustang isn't too much for her. ;-) >Now 2015 Mustang V8 makes 427Hp and gets good gas milage 26 on highway, >and it is a nice ride, a sports car. She likes driving hers with her top down (and often skirt up). I worry about her scaring little children. ;-)
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| From | Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> |
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| Date | 2017-07-16 15:27 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <et242cF5796U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #60763 |
Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote: >Bullshit. The technology in a PC today is quite different than that of >a PC made in 1988. Nothing in a PC from 1988 would even "plug into" a >PC bought today, except maybe the keyboard and mouse. And the PC today >is literally orders of magnitude faster. The original mice I first saw plugged into a special jack on a card that plugged into the PC. I had mine on a combo card with video. The technology to allow a mouse to run on the low power in a serial connection came later. And serial connectors vanished around Y2K. I don't know how the data signals in the PS2 mouse connectors compared to the 9 pin serial connectors. Keyboards plugged into a large DIN connection. This was gradually replaced by the smaller PS2 connection, then again with USB connections. I don't know if any desktop computers still provide PS2 connectors. I don't think so. I'm still using my 1994 laser printer. It plugs into a centronics-parallel to USB adapter. I guess similar adapters are available for serial ports and PS2 connectors. Hmmm, come to think of it, the Centronics port was designed for the 1988 TRS-80 computer. A printer from that era would probably plug through my adapter into any modern Windows computer. And at least the MX-80 and its clones are probably still driver-supported. -- We are geeks. Resistance is voltage over current.
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| From | Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> |
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| Date | 2017-07-16 17:39 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <MPG.33d5a70ece5941b1989993@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #60766 |
In article <et242cF5796U1@mid.individual.net>, gossg@gossg.org says... > > Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote: > > >Bullshit. The technology in a PC today is quite different than that of > >a PC made in 1988. Nothing in a PC from 1988 would even "plug into" a > >PC bought today, except maybe the keyboard and mouse. And the PC today > >is literally orders of magnitude faster. > > The original mice I first saw plugged into a special jack on a card > that plugged into the PC. I had mine on a combo card with video. The > technology to allow a mouse to run on the low power in a serial > connection came later. And serial connectors vanished around Y2K. I > don't know how the data signals in the PS2 mouse connectors compared > to the 9 pin serial connectors. > > Keyboards plugged into a large DIN connection. This was gradually > replaced by the smaller PS2 connection, then again with USB > connections. > > I don't know if any desktop computers still provide PS2 connectors. I > don't think so. Some desktop computers I've seen recently still have the smaller PS2 connectors for a keyboard and mouse. All of our "professional" machines at work have them. For example, the HP Z240 Desktop "tower" computer has them. All you need to go from the old DIN keyboard connection to a PS2 keyboard connector is a simple, non-active, adapter. Ought to cost about $0.99 on eBay. > I'm still using my 1994 laser printer. It plugs into a > centronics-parallel to USB adapter. I guess similar adapters are > available for serial ports and PS2 connectors. Not sure any active adapters do that, but some older mice would work with either with a passive adapter. At any rate, you can buy USB to serial port adapters. I have one. It works well. > Hmmm, come to think of it, the Centronics port was designed for the > 1988 TRS-80 computer. A printer from that era would probably plug > through my adapter into any modern Windows computer. And at least the > MX-80 and its clones are probably still driver-supported. Software drivers are tricky, but yes the USB adapter will allow the electronics to communicate. Jeff -- All opinions posted by me on Usenet News are mine, and mine alone. These posts do not reflect the opinions of my family, friends, employer, or any organization that I am a member of.
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| From | "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2017-07-17 09:46 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <8OKdnfkKhLkoIvHEnZ2dnUU7-TPNnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #60768 |
Jeff Findley wrote:
> In article <et242cF5796U1@mid.individual.net>, gossg@gossg.org says...
>>
>> Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Bullshit. The technology in a PC today is quite different than that of
>>> a PC made in 1988. Nothing in a PC from 1988 would even "plug into" a
>>> PC bought today, except maybe the keyboard and mouse. And the PC today
>>> is literally orders of magnitude faster.
>>
>> The original mice I first saw plugged into a special jack on a card
>> that plugged into the PC. I had mine on a combo card with video. The
>> technology to allow a mouse to run on the low power in a serial
>> connection came later. And serial connectors vanished around Y2K. I
>> don't know how the data signals in the PS2 mouse connectors compared
>> to the 9 pin serial connectors.
>>
>> Keyboards plugged into a large DIN connection. This was gradually
>> replaced by the smaller PS2 connection, then again with USB
>> connections.
>>
>> I don't know if any desktop computers still provide PS2 connectors. I
>> don't think so.
>
> Some desktop computers I've seen recently still have the smaller PS2
> connectors for a keyboard and mouse. All of our "professional" machines
> at work have them. For example, the HP Z240 Desktop "tower" computer
> has them. All you need to go from the old DIN keyboard connection to a
> PS2 keyboard connector is a simple, non-active, adapter. Ought to cost
> about $0.99 on eBay.
The PC/XT keyboard didn't work on the 286/AT machines because the
baud rate was different. Heath/Zenith used a baud rate that wasn't
compatible with either standard. I still have a couple keyboards with
the XT/AT switch on the bottom.
>> I'm still using my 1994 laser printer. It plugs into a
>> centronics-parallel to USB adapter. I guess similar adapters are
>> available for serial ports and PS2 connectors.
>
> Not sure any active adapters do that, but some older mice would work
> with either with a passive adapter. At any rate, you can buy USB to
> serial port adapters. I have one. It works well.
>
>> Hmmm, come to think of it, the Centronics port was designed for the
>> 1988 TRS-80 computer. A printer from that era would probably plug
>> through my adapter into any modern Windows computer. And at least >> the MX-80 and its clones are probably still driver-supported.
The Centronics port was to allow use f existing printers that were
built for minicomputers. There was a huge surplus market for both RS232
and Centronics used printers in the early Personal computer days.
> Software drivers are tricky, but yes the USB adapter will allow the
> electronics to communicate.
>
> Jeff
>
--
Never piss off an Engineer!
They don't get mad.
They don't get even.
They go for over unity! ;-)
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2017-07-16 22:16 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <o65t3e-t59.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #60766 |
In sci.physics Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote: > Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote: > >>Bullshit. The technology in a PC today is quite different than that of >>a PC made in 1988. Nothing in a PC from 1988 would even "plug into" a >>PC bought today, except maybe the keyboard and mouse. And the PC today >>is literally orders of magnitude faster. > > The original mice I first saw plugged into a special jack on a card > that plugged into the PC. I had mine on a combo card with video. The > technology to allow a mouse to run on the low power in a serial > connection came later. And serial connectors vanished around Y2K. I > don't know how the data signals in the PS2 mouse connectors compared > to the 9 pin serial connectors. > > Keyboards plugged into a large DIN connection. This was gradually > replaced by the smaller PS2 connection, then again with USB > connections. > > I don't know if any desktop computers still provide PS2 connectors. I > don't think so. > > I'm still using my 1994 laser printer. It plugs into a > centronics-parallel to USB adapter. I guess similar adapters are > available for serial ports and PS2 connectors. > > Hmmm, come to think of it, the Centronics port was designed for the > 1988 TRS-80 computer. A printer from that era would probably plug > through my adapter into any modern Windows computer. And at least the > MX-80 and its clones are probably still driver-supported. Not quite. The Centronics connector, also known as IEEE 1284, was designed by Centronics in the 1970's as a general parallel port interface. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-07-16 13:04 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <qfanmch869tqp9smh8kutb2vjr4cb7vacq@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #60742 |
On Sun, 16 Jul 2017 09:51:19 -0400, Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote: > ... Today, you can comfortably run CAD/CAE software (at least the > CAE pre/post) on a sub $2k PC running Windows OS. Confirmed. I've sat and watched my brother transform a mass of equations first into logic circuitry, then into a program for a PAL, on Mom's desktop computer. Granted she had a pretty good computer, but this was twelve or fourteen years ago. -- Goat
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| From | David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-07-12 07:04 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <r5mdnSw3tNBsJvjEnZ2dnUU78S_NnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #60619 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote: >> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>> OK, what "stuff" would people be making at home? >> >> Jewellry, utilities, tools, gadgets. > > Could you be any more vague? Yes. Yes I could. Things. People will make things. All of the things.
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2017-07-12 17:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <404i3e-7r.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #60632 |
In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote: >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >> >>>> OK, what "stuff" would people be making at home? >>> >>> Jewellry, utilities, tools, gadgets. >> >> Could you be any more vague? > > Yes. Yes I could. > > Things. People will make things. All of the things. Great, yet another techno nerd weenie who spends way too much time watching Star Trek reruns. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-07-13 06:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <ctWdnQLM9fWtl_rEnZ2dnUU78d2dnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #60639 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote: >> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >>>>> OK, what "stuff" would people be making at home? >>>> >>>> Jewellry, utilities, tools, gadgets. >>> >>> Could you be any more vague? >> >> Yes. Yes I could. >> >> Things. People will make things. All of the things. > > Great, yet another techno nerd weenie who spends way too much time watching > Star Trek reruns. > Bless. It's almost as though you imagine anyone give even the tinest of fucks what you think.
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