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| First post | 2016-03-25 10:02 -0700 |
| Last post | 2016-04-11 19:09 -0700 |
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The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon dumpster4@hotmail.com - 2016-03-25 10:02 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-03-25 18:38 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon bob haller <hallerb@aol.com> - 2016-03-26 11:50 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-03-26 16:38 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon dumpster4@hotmail.com - 2016-03-26 23:05 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-03-27 00:28 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-03-27 16:56 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-03-27 22:26 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-03-27 19:51 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2016-04-03 12:52 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-03 17:07 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 15:28 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 18:06 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 18:36 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 01:38 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-04-04 15:20 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-04 18:35 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 12:58 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon bob haller <hallerb@aol.com> - 2016-04-04 20:13 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 23:50 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 20:02 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Jack Ryan <mixmaster@remailer.cpunk.us> - 2016-04-05 03:50 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-05 18:20 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-05 16:14 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-05 18:47 -0500
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 00:00 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-04-07 06:10 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 18:51 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 16:35 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-08 14:23 -0500
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 13:25 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-09 09:57 -0500
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 09:55 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 12:38 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 10:20 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-17 12:53 -0500
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 13:01 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-17 19:38 -0500
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 00:27 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 17:44 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 00:28 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2016-04-05 22:14 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 03:38 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2016-04-16 11:58 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-16 16:17 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 00:07 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-04-07 06:24 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 04:54 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 05:53 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 19:03 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 16:47 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-04-05 19:53 -0600
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 03:42 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-04-05 23:06 -0600
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 18:05 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 12:34 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-07 19:18 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 13:04 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-07 21:07 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 00:03 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-08 17:50 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 13:03 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-08 21:47 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 21:24 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-09 13:55 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-09 10:08 -0500
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 08:51 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 18:07 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 12:49 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 20:16 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 19:07 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-10 06:16 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 06:46 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-10 16:23 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 15:19 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-10 22:49 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 20:02 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-11 04:05 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 01:41 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-11 18:18 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 19:20 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-17 12:53 -0500
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 13:02 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-10 12:06 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 06:57 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-10 14:17 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 08:26 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-10 16:40 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 15:38 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-11 19:06 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-11 19:50 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 20:02 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-12 17:16 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 15:03 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 19:54 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-12 17:18 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 15:04 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-12 22:33 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 21:48 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-13 05:02 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 00:07 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-13 17:35 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 12:23 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-13 20:09 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 13:36 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-13 21:06 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 19:24 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-14 02:51 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 21:03 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-14 04:36 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 00:56 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-14 18:02 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 13:40 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-14 22:09 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 15:40 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-14 22:53 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 17:24 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-15 00:42 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 19:24 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-15 04:13 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 22:02 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-15 21:04 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-15 15:21 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-15 22:42 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 01:33 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-16 16:22 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 11:07 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-16 19:20 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 12:52 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-16 20:44 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 19:35 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-17 05:22 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 23:55 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-17 12:54 -0500
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 13:03 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon dumpster4@hotmail.com - 2016-04-14 08:58 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 13:28 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 14:28 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 20:26 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 23:49 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-08 18:24 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 13:10 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-08 22:40 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 21:55 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 06:11 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 07:49 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 18:21 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 12:57 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 20:29 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 19:30 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-04-09 00:01 -0600
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 09:03 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Womack <twomack@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2016-04-09 09:21 +0100
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 18:24 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 14:47 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 16:54 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-04-09 15:49 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 10:45 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 19:08 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 13:22 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 20:41 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 19:50 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-04-06 17:39 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 18:08 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 12:36 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 19:06 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 12:59 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 20:28 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 23:52 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-08 18:26 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 13:14 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-08 22:42 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 21:57 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 06:14 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 07:52 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 18:31 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 13:00 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 20:34 +0000
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2016-04-12 17:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <9envtc-24f.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #56027 |
In sci.physics Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote: > For your reference, records indicate that > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >> In sci.physics Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote: >> > For your reference, records indicate that >> > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >> > >> >> We wouldn't need to fight over resources so all we would have left to >> >> fight over would be religion, race, and sexual orientation. >> > >> > I think you underestimate the trivialities that humans will go to in order >> > to fabricate an enemy to fight. Sports teams, mobile phones, text editors; >> > every insignificant issue is on the table when it comes to manufacturing >> > hatreds in a world of unlimited resources. Again, itll be *worse*, not >> > better. Imagine a version your petty bickering with Fred in a future where >> > powerful energy weapons are readily available. >> >> Sam Colt made a powerful energy weapon readily available a long time ago. > > And it is still constantly used to kill people over petty matters. Please > think about your responses before you make them! :-) The issue is the > *humans*, not the force multiplier. You said "Imagine" and I pointed out it happened a long time ago. > >> States tend to fight over different things then individuals. > > States are run by people in power, and so they still tend to fight over > individuals wants . . . just not *your* individual wants. Such as? -- Jim Pennino
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| From | William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-12 15:45 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <75fe1667-63cb-4a79-ad9c-d029d9f90fa0@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #56027 |
On Wednesday, April 13, 2016 at 3:51:40 AM UTC+12, Doc O'Leary wrote: > For your reference, records indicate that > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > > > In sci.physics Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote: > > > For your reference, records indicate that > > > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > > > > > >> We wouldn't need to fight over resources so all we would have left to > > >> fight over would be religion, race, and sexual orientation. > > > > > > I think you underestimate the trivialities that humans will go to in order > > > to fabricate an enemy to fight. Sports teams, mobile phones, text editors; > > > every insignificant issue is on the table when it comes to manufacturing > > > hatreds in a world of unlimited resources. Again, itll be *worse*, not > > > better. Imagine a version your petty bickering with Fred in a future where > > > powerful energy weapons are readily available. > > > > Sam Colt made a powerful energy weapon readily available a long time ago. > > And it is still constantly used to kill people over petty matters. Such private use is over-stated by those who don't like the average Joe to have the ability to defend themselves. For the record in the 20th century there were; 9 million murders - between individuals 35 million battlefield deaths 230 million deaths governments killing their own people. (China, USSR, Germany, Cambodia, ..) So, where is the real risk? > Please > think about your responses before you make them! :-) The issue is the > *humans*, not the force multiplier. The issue is the social matrix in which humans find themselves. If it were up to the vast majority of people, we'd be far wealthier and capable than we are today. Its only the imposition of artificial scarcity by those who benefit from that scarcity, and our willingness to put up with the manipulations, and our inability to penetrate the lies which we are fed, that keep us in relative poverty. > > States tend to fight over different things then individuals. > > States are run by people in power, and so they still tend to fight over > individuals wants . . . just not *your* individual wants. Governments have been controlled by a ruling olligarchy in the US since Taft was defeated for his opposition to the Federal Reserve plan. In the USA there are 112.6 firearms per 100 people. That's 359.2 million firearms. Now last year in the USA there were 14,067 gun related incidents which results in 3,575 gun related deaths and 7,208 gun related inuries. The other incidents resulted in no injuries. This is one death per 100,000 firearms. Also in the USA there are 765,000 sworn officers. According to the BJS statistics there were 7,327 arrest related deaths and 4,446 inmates died while in custody. A total of 11,773 persons died at the hands of 765,000 armed officers. This is one death per 65 firearms in the hands of the police. Where is the danger for the average person realistically? Here's another interesting statistic, asset forfeitures exceed burglaries https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/11/23/cops-took-more-stuff-from-people-than-burglars-did-last-year/ So, where is the threat for the average person? > -- > "Also . . . I can kill you with my brain." > River Tam, Trash, Firefly
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| From | Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-12 21:08 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nek9nl$1p7r$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #56027 |
> Oven. Whatever is needed. Oven. Whatever it needs to.
no answer ? try to think it through.
man needs 500 liters of O2 per day
there are 10 men up there, 2 are needed to run the O2 plant, and 2
are needed to run the Water plant, and 2 are needed to run the N2 plant.
so your O2 flow rate is 5,000 liters per day,
your N2 flow rate is 15,000 liters per day (assume a 25% O2)
and about 7.5 liters of water per day per person
so how many tons rocks do you cook per day ?
How much energy is needed to run the rock cooking plant?
What type of rocks work for O2 that are on the surface ?
where do you get 24 liters of water per day ? (assume a 25% recapture rate)
Biofilm questions: where does the lost water go? will the biofilm cause
dammage to the electronics? How much energy is used to keep the
Humidity down to below 70% ?
how do you reprocess the salt bath used for cooking the rocks ?
What rocks do you cook to get N2 ???
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-12 22:26 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <j2mrgbd2nlhm65pqrlcioavra97klupu7c@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #56059 |
Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:
> > Oven. Whatever is needed. Oven. Whatever it needs to.
>
>no answer ? try to think it through.
>
Asked and answered by me and others. Do try to keep up.
--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
only stupid."
-- Heinrich Heine
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| From | William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-12 00:03 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ba6b601a-3ee5-43af-a362-8770a9353baf@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #55997 |
The problem is not in us per se, but in the social networks that have been erected around us that are engineered to direct us into conflict. After all, someone with a lot of enemies, real or imagined, is weaker, more compliant, more dependent, more manageable, than someone without a care in the world. This is the danger of the 'good example' again, that cannot be allowed to prosper, and so comes under covert attack by those who seek to maintain the benefits they enjoy from articial scarcity imposed on the bulk of humanity. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUWxApj0F-M On Tuesday, April 12, 2016 at 4:44:51 AM UTC+12, Doc O'Leary wrote: > For your reference, records indicate that > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > > > We wouldn't need to fight over resources so all we would have left to > > fight over would be religion, race, and sexual orientation. > > I think you underestimate the trivialities that humans will go to in order > to fabricate an enemy to fight. Sports teams, mobile phones, text editors; > every insignificant issue is on the table when it comes to manufacturing > hatreds in a world of unlimited resources. Again, it'll be *worse*, not > better. Imagine a version your petty bickering with Fred in a future where > powerful energy weapons are readily available. > > -- > "Also . . . I can kill you with my brain." > River Tam, Trash, Firefly It isn't us. It is the system in which we live. It is the ability to escape this system that drives those toward the frontiers beyond our present horizon.
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| From | Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-05 17:42 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ne0tf3$sh$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #55684 |
For your reference, records indicate that jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > All historical colonizations have been to places with air, water, and > growing things where one could be dropped nude and survive. I was referring to *all* projects that surround colonization, especially the exploration efforts. Advanced tech that gets developed for any moon shot (literal or figurative) tends to benefit everyone. > Survival on the Moon or Mars for more than a few minutes requires state > of the art technology and constant resupply. Only if you planned your project poorly. The smarter way to proceed would be to examine what natural resources are available for use at your destination, and figure out new ways to get anything else you need, or to produce it on-site. > The closest thing in history is Antarctica, where there are no colonies > but only research stations. Because the mission there is not about setting up a sustainable colony. There are closer analogs for such habitats, such as the closed-system Biosphere 2. > I'm all for sending swarms of robots throughout the solar system, but > sending people is a waste of resources. Sending people without a *plan* is definitely a waste. I, too, would expect to see robots sent to the Moon to build a structure long before any human colony would get sent there to live in it. Until that sort of thing happens, I can only laugh at the idea of a Moon base by 2022 for only $10 billion. -- "Also . . . I can kill you with my brain." River Tam, Trash, Firefly
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2016-04-05 18:32 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <dvcdtc-88a.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #55692 |
In sci.physics Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote: > For your reference, records indicate that > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >> All historical colonizations have been to places with air, water, and >> growing things where one could be dropped nude and survive. > > I was referring to *all* projects that surround colonization, especially > the exploration efforts. Advanced tech that gets developed for any moon > shot (literal or figurative) tends to benefit everyone. There is a big difference between a colony and a research station. Antarctica has lots of research stations but no colonies. >> Survival on the Moon or Mars for more than a few minutes requires state >> of the art technology and constant resupply. > > Only if you planned your project poorly. The smarter way to proceed > would be to examine what natural resources are available for use at > your destination, and figure out new ways to get anything else you > need, or to produce it on-site. There are essentially zero natural resources available anywhere else in the solar system and what few natural resources there are are only available with complex technology. >> The closest thing in history is Antarctica, where there are no colonies >> but only research stations. > > Because the mission there is not about setting up a sustainable colony. > There are closer analogs for such habitats, such as the closed-system > Biosphere 2. Irrelevant arm waving. colony: A group of people who leave their native country to form in a new land a settlement subject to, or connected with, the parent nation. settlement: The act of making stable or putting on a permanent basis. It also implies things like families and being self sustaining. >> I'm all for sending swarms of robots throughout the solar system, but >> sending people is a waste of resources. > > Sending people without a *plan* is definitely a waste. I, too, would > expect to see robots sent to the Moon to build a structure long before > any human colony would get sent there to live in it. Until that sort > of thing happens, I can only laugh at the idea of a Moon base by 2022 > for only $10 billion. Or in other words, it won't happen until we have Star Trek level technology. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | benj <none@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-05 15:09 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <G3UMy.2582$ja4.80@fx11.iad> |
| In reply to | #55694 |
On 04/05/2016 02:32 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> In sci.physics Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote:
>> For your reference, records indicate that
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>> All historical colonizations have been to places with air, water, and
>>> growing things where one could be dropped nude and survive.
>>
>> I was referring to *all* projects that surround colonization, especially
>> the exploration efforts. Advanced tech that gets developed for any moon
>> shot (literal or figurative) tends to benefit everyone.
>
> There is a big difference between a colony and a research station.
>
> Antarctica has lots of research stations but no colonies.
>
>>> Survival on the Moon or Mars for more than a few minutes requires state
>>> of the art technology and constant resupply.
>>
>> Only if you planned your project poorly. The smarter way to proceed
>> would be to examine what natural resources are available for use at
>> your destination, and figure out new ways to get anything else you
>> need, or to produce it on-site.
>
> There are essentially zero natural resources available anywhere else
> in the solar system and what few natural resources there are are only
> available with complex technology.
>
>>> The closest thing in history is Antarctica, where there are no colonies
>>> but only research stations.
>>
>> Because the mission there is not about setting up a sustainable colony.
>> There are closer analogs for such habitats, such as the closed-system
>> Biosphere 2.
>
> Irrelevant arm waving.
>
> colony:
>
> A group of people who leave their native country to form in a new land a
> settlement subject to, or connected with, the parent nation.
>
> settlement:
>
> The act of making stable or putting on a permanent basis.
>
> It also implies things like families and being self sustaining.
>
>>> I'm all for sending swarms of robots throughout the solar system, but
>>> sending people is a waste of resources.
>>
>> Sending people without a *plan* is definitely a waste. I, too, would
>> expect to see robots sent to the Moon to build a structure long before
>> any human colony would get sent there to live in it. Until that sort
>> of thing happens, I can only laugh at the idea of a Moon base by 2022
>> for only $10 billion.
>
> Or in other words, it won't happen until we have Star Trek level technology.
Hey a moon colony is no problem. The settlers can always sustain their
settlement by trading beads with the alien basses there. It's a PLAN
that worked the last time! HVAC will explain the details of the plan.
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| From | "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-07 08:28 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ne5jjs$muj$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #55695 |
Times like these Pat Flannery on sci.space.history is missed even more. Bob Clark ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Finally, nanotechnology can now fulfill its potential to revolutionize 21st-century technology, from the space elevator, to private, orbital launchers, to 'flying cars'. This crowdfunding campaign is to prove it: Nanotech: from air to space. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/nanotech-from-air-to-space/x/13319568/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Sergio" wrote in message news:ne1j80$1aa$1@gioia.aioe.org... On 4/5/2016 2:09 PM, benj wrote: > On 04/05/2016 02:32 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >> In sci.physics Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote: >>> For your reference, records indicate that >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >> >> Or in other words, it won't happen until we have Star Trek level >> technology. we are there, your salt shaker is a stun gun, just pretend it. > > Hey a moon colony is no problem. The settlers can always sustain their > settlement by trading beads with the alien basses there. It's a PLAN > that worked the last time! HVAC will explain the details of the plan. > > good idea, give them alien suckers some beads for Manhatten on the moon. (I think instead of hands they have suckers). I think the aliens on the moon are giant Moon Mice because of the cheese. OR Amazon Women on the moon, or Catwomen of the Moon, Woman in the moon, or teenage Moon Zombies, there is a movie already out on what happened. ---
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| From | Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-06 17:56 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ne3ijm$9ia$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #55694 |
For your reference, records indicate that jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > In sci.physics Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote: > > For your reference, records indicate that > > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > > > >> All historical colonizations have been to places with air, water, and > >> growing things where one could be dropped nude and survive. > > > > I was referring to *all* projects that surround colonization, especially > > the exploration efforts. Advanced tech that gets developed for any moon > > shot (literal or figurative) tends to benefit everyone. > > There is a big difference between a colony and a research station. > > Antarctica has lots of research stations but no colonies. I just pointed that out in the message you’re replying to. Your claim is that it is irrelevant! > There are essentially zero natural resources available anywhere else > in the solar system and what few natural resources there are are only > available with complex technology. Just because *you* don’t know how to make use of the available resources doesn’t mean they don’t exist and doesn’t mean they have no value. Is it going to be a greater challenge than Earth life living on Earth? Of course. Doesn’t mean we can’t come up with a nice boot-strappy plan to make it work. By “we”, of course, I clearly don’t mean you. > >> I'm all for sending swarms of robots throughout the solar system, but > >> sending people is a waste of resources. > > > > Sending people without a *plan* is definitely a waste. I, too, would > > expect to see robots sent to the Moon to build a structure long before > > any human colony would get sent there to live in it. Until that sort > > of thing happens, I can only laugh at the idea of a Moon base by 2022 > > for only $10 billion. > > Or in other words, it won't happen until we have Star Trek level technology. I don’t expect the ability to turn Moon rocks into Moon huts is going to be that advanced. It *is* likely farther off that 2022, though. -- "Also . . . I can kill you with my brain." River Tam, Trash, Firefly
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-06 18:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <3h1gtc-f1j.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #55708 |
In sci.physics Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote: > For your reference, records indicate that > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >> In sci.physics Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote: >> > For your reference, records indicate that >> > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >> > >> >> All historical colonizations have been to places with air, water, and >> >> growing things where one could be dropped nude and survive. >> > >> > I was referring to *all* projects that surround colonization, especially >> > the exploration efforts. Advanced tech that gets developed for any moon >> > shot (literal or figurative) tends to benefit everyone. >> >> There is a big difference between a colony and a research station. >> >> Antarctica has lots of research stations but no colonies. > > I just pointed that out in the message youre replying to. Your claim > is that it is irrelevant! As Antarctica has never had any colonies, Antarctica is irrelevant to a discussion of colonies. > >> There are essentially zero natural resources available anywhere else >> in the solar system and what few natural resources there are are only >> available with complex technology. > > Just because *you* dont know how to make use of the available resources > doesnt mean they dont exist and doesnt mean they have no value. Is > it going to be a greater challenge than Earth life living on Earth? Of > course. Doesnt mean we can come up with a nice boot-strappy plan to > make it work. Bywe of course, I clearly dont mean you. So just what are the natural resources available on Mars? There are no forests, no lakes, no rivers, no life and no air. I would say the odds of finding limestone deposits to make cement highly unlikely. You do know limestone is organically created, don't you? You may find bauxite or iron ore, but unless it is really close to where you set up your colony, you would have no way to transport it. If you setup your colony next to some ore deposit, you need a refinary and power for it, which could only come from a fair sized reactor. You need a lot of raw material and the ability to process it into something usefull to build the domed and pressurized buildings required to survive and do anything. You will be lacking just about all usefull chemicals as most of them come from petroleum, so no plastics. >> >> I'm all for sending swarms of robots throughout the solar system, but >> >> sending people is a waste of resources. >> > >> > Sending people without a *plan* is definitely a waste. I, too, would >> > expect to see robots sent to the Moon to build a structure long before >> > any human colony would get sent there to live in it. Until that sort >> > of thing happens, I can only laugh at the idea of a Moon base by 2022 >> > for only $10 billion. >> >> Or in other words, it won't happen until we have Star Trek level technology. > > I dont expect the ability to turn Moon rocks into Moon huts is going to > be that advanced. It *is* likely farther off that 2022, though. You miss the point, it would take Star Trek technology to make it affordable. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | benj <none@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-06 15:43 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <iFdNy.14474$5M4.591@fx37.iad> |
| In reply to | #55711 |
On 04/06/2016 02:35 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> In sci.physics Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote:
>> For your reference, records indicate that
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>> In sci.physics Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote:
>>>> For your reference, records indicate that
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> All historical colonizations have been to places with air, water, and
>>>>> growing things where one could be dropped nude and survive.
>>>>
>>>> I was referring to *all* projects that surround colonization, especially
>>>> the exploration efforts. Advanced tech that gets developed for any moon
>>>> shot (literal or figurative) tends to benefit everyone.
>>>
>>> There is a big difference between a colony and a research station.
>>>
>>> Antarctica has lots of research stations but no colonies.
>>
>> I just pointed that out in the message youre replying to. Your claim
>> is that it is irrelevant!
>
> As Antarctica has never had any colonies, Antarctica is irrelevant to
> a discussion of colonies.
>
>>
>>> There are essentially zero natural resources available anywhere else
>>> in the solar system and what few natural resources there are are only
>>> available with complex technology.
>>
>> Just because *you* dont know how to make use of the available resources
>> doesnt mean they dont exist and doesnt mean they have no value. Is
>> it going to be a greater challenge than Earth life living on Earth? Of
>> course. Doesnt mean we can come up with a nice boot-strappy plan to
>> make it work. Bywe of course, I clearly dont mean you.
>
> So just what are the natural resources available on Mars?
>
> There are no forests, no lakes, no rivers, no life and no air.
>
> I would say the odds of finding limestone deposits to make cement
> highly unlikely. You do know limestone is organically created, don't
> you?
>
> You may find bauxite or iron ore, but unless it is really close to
> where you set up your colony, you would have no way to transport it.
>
> If you setup your colony next to some ore deposit, you need a refinary
> and power for it, which could only come from a fair sized reactor.
>
> You need a lot of raw material and the ability to process it into
> something usefull to build the domed and pressurized buildings
> required to survive and do anything.
>
> You will be lacking just about all usefull chemicals as most of
> them come from petroleum, so no plastics.
>
>
>>>>> I'm all for sending swarms of robots throughout the solar system, but
>>>>> sending people is a waste of resources.
>>>>
>>>> Sending people without a *plan* is definitely a waste. I, too, would
>>>> expect to see robots sent to the Moon to build a structure long before
>>>> any human colony would get sent there to live in it. Until that sort
>>>> of thing happens, I can only laugh at the idea of a Moon base by 2022
>>>> for only $10 billion.
>>>
>>> Or in other words, it won't happen until we have Star Trek level technology.
>>
>> I dont expect the ability to turn Moon rocks into Moon huts is going to
>> be that advanced. It *is* likely farther off that 2022, though.
>
> You miss the point, it would take Star Trek technology to make it affordable.
jimp, everyone here believes Star Trek technology is real!
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-06 20:08 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <0u6gtc-7gj.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #55714 |
In sci.physics benj <none@gmail.com> wrote: > On 04/06/2016 02:35 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >> In sci.physics Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote: >>> For your reference, records indicate that >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >>>> In sci.physics Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote: >>>>> For your reference, records indicate that >>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> All historical colonizations have been to places with air, water, and >>>>>> growing things where one could be dropped nude and survive. >>>>> >>>>> I was referring to *all* projects that surround colonization, especially >>>>> the exploration efforts. Advanced tech that gets developed for any moon >>>>> shot (literal or figurative) tends to benefit everyone. >>>> >>>> There is a big difference between a colony and a research station. >>>> >>>> Antarctica has lots of research stations but no colonies. >>> >>> I just pointed that out in the message youre replying to. Your claim >>> is that it is irrelevant! >> >> As Antarctica has never had any colonies, Antarctica is irrelevant to >> a discussion of colonies. >> >>> >>>> There are essentially zero natural resources available anywhere else >>>> in the solar system and what few natural resources there are are only >>>> available with complex technology. >>> >>> Just because *you* dont know how to make use of the available resources >>> doesnt mean they dont exist and doesnt mean they have no value. Is >>> it going to be a greater challenge than Earth life living on Earth? Of >>> course. Doesnt mean we can come up with a nice boot-strappy plan to >>> make it work. Bywe of course, I clearly dont mean you. >> >> So just what are the natural resources available on Mars? >> >> There are no forests, no lakes, no rivers, no life and no air. >> >> I would say the odds of finding limestone deposits to make cement >> highly unlikely. You do know limestone is organically created, don't >> you? >> >> You may find bauxite or iron ore, but unless it is really close to >> where you set up your colony, you would have no way to transport it. >> >> If you setup your colony next to some ore deposit, you need a refinary >> and power for it, which could only come from a fair sized reactor. >> >> You need a lot of raw material and the ability to process it into >> something usefull to build the domed and pressurized buildings >> required to survive and do anything. >> >> You will be lacking just about all usefull chemicals as most of >> them come from petroleum, so no plastics. >> >> >>>>>> I'm all for sending swarms of robots throughout the solar system, but >>>>>> sending people is a waste of resources. >>>>> >>>>> Sending people without a *plan* is definitely a waste. I, too, would >>>>> expect to see robots sent to the Moon to build a structure long before >>>>> any human colony would get sent there to live in it. Until that sort >>>>> of thing happens, I can only laugh at the idea of a Moon base by 2022 >>>>> for only $10 billion. >>>> >>>> Or in other words, it won't happen until we have Star Trek level technology. >>> >>> I dont expect the ability to turn Moon rocks into Moon huts is going to >>> be that advanced. It *is* likely farther off that 2022, though. >> >> You miss the point, it would take Star Trek technology to make it affordable. > > jimp, everyone here believes Star Trek technology is real! It seems so as well as Star Trek economics where everything is free. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-06 16:35 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <287bgb9pm784vl2imhkund394rikuts9ou@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #55716 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics benj <none@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 04/06/2016 02:35 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>> In sci.physics Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote:
>>>> For your reference, records indicate that
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In sci.physics Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote:
>>>>>> For your reference, records indicate that
>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All historical colonizations have been to places with air, water, and
>>>>>>> growing things where one could be dropped nude and survive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was referring to *all* projects that surround colonization, especially
>>>>>> the exploration efforts. Advanced tech that gets developed for any moon
>>>>>> shot (literal or figurative) tends to benefit everyone.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is a big difference between a colony and a research station.
>>>>>
>>>>> Antarctica has lots of research stations but no colonies.
>>>>
>>>> I just pointed that out in the message youre replying to. Your claim
>>>> is that it is irrelevant!
>>>
>>> As Antarctica has never had any colonies, Antarctica is irrelevant to
>>> a discussion of colonies.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> There are essentially zero natural resources available anywhere else
>>>>> in the solar system and what few natural resources there are are only
>>>>> available with complex technology.
>>>>
>>>> Just because *you* dont know how to make use of the available resources
>>>> doesnt mean they dont exist and doesnt mean they have no value. Is
>>>> it going to be a greater challenge than Earth life living on Earth? Of
>>>> course. Doesnt mean we can come up with a nice boot-strappy plan to
>>>> make it work. Bywe of course, I clearly dont mean you.
>>>
>>> So just what are the natural resources available on Mars?
>>>
>>> There are no forests, no lakes, no rivers, no life and no air.
>>>
>>> I would say the odds of finding limestone deposits to make cement
>>> highly unlikely. You do know limestone is organically created, don't
>>> you?
>>>
>>> You may find bauxite or iron ore, but unless it is really close to
>>> where you set up your colony, you would have no way to transport it.
>>>
>>> If you setup your colony next to some ore deposit, you need a refinary
>>> and power for it, which could only come from a fair sized reactor.
>>>
>>> You need a lot of raw material and the ability to process it into
>>> something usefull to build the domed and pressurized buildings
>>> required to survive and do anything.
>>>
>>> You will be lacking just about all usefull chemicals as most of
>>> them come from petroleum, so no plastics.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> I'm all for sending swarms of robots throughout the solar system, but
>>>>>>> sending people is a waste of resources.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sending people without a *plan* is definitely a waste. I, too, would
>>>>>> expect to see robots sent to the Moon to build a structure long before
>>>>>> any human colony would get sent there to live in it. Until that sort
>>>>>> of thing happens, I can only laugh at the idea of a Moon base by 2022
>>>>>> for only $10 billion.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or in other words, it won't happen until we have Star Trek level technology.
>>>>
>>>> I dont expect the ability to turn Moon rocks into Moon huts is going to
>>>> be that advanced. It *is* likely farther off that 2022, though.
>>>
>>> You miss the point, it would take Star Trek technology to make it affordable.
>>
>> jimp, everyone here believes Star Trek technology is real!
>
>It seems so as well as Star Trek economics where everything is free.
>
You're posting to 'sci' groups, Chimp. Handwavium and bullshit are
not the currency here.
--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the
truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
-- Thomas Jefferson
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-06 23:49 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <6ujgtc-fqk.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #55719 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics benj <none@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On 04/06/2016 02:35 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>> In sci.physics Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote: >>>>> For your reference, records indicate that >>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> In sci.physics Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote: >>>>>>> For your reference, records indicate that >>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> All historical colonizations have been to places with air, water, and >>>>>>>> growing things where one could be dropped nude and survive. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I was referring to *all* projects that surround colonization, especially >>>>>>> the exploration efforts. Advanced tech that gets developed for any moon >>>>>>> shot (literal or figurative) tends to benefit everyone. >>>>>> >>>>>> There is a big difference between a colony and a research station. >>>>>> >>>>>> Antarctica has lots of research stations but no colonies. >>>>> >>>>> I just pointed that out in the message youre replying to. Your claim >>>>> is that it is irrelevant! >>>> >>>> As Antarctica has never had any colonies, Antarctica is irrelevant to >>>> a discussion of colonies. >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> There are essentially zero natural resources available anywhere else >>>>>> in the solar system and what few natural resources there are are only >>>>>> available with complex technology. >>>>> >>>>> Just because *you* dont know how to make use of the available resources >>>>> doesnt mean they dont exist and doesnt mean they have no value. Is >>>>> it going to be a greater challenge than Earth life living on Earth? Of >>>>> course. Doesnt mean we can come up with a nice boot-strappy plan to >>>>> make it work. Bywe of course, I clearly dont mean you. >>>> >>>> So just what are the natural resources available on Mars? >>>> >>>> There are no forests, no lakes, no rivers, no life and no air. >>>> >>>> I would say the odds of finding limestone deposits to make cement >>>> highly unlikely. You do know limestone is organically created, don't >>>> you? >>>> >>>> You may find bauxite or iron ore, but unless it is really close to >>>> where you set up your colony, you would have no way to transport it. >>>> >>>> If you setup your colony next to some ore deposit, you need a refinary >>>> and power for it, which could only come from a fair sized reactor. >>>> >>>> You need a lot of raw material and the ability to process it into >>>> something usefull to build the domed and pressurized buildings >>>> required to survive and do anything. >>>> >>>> You will be lacking just about all usefull chemicals as most of >>>> them come from petroleum, so no plastics. >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> I'm all for sending swarms of robots throughout the solar system, but >>>>>>>> sending people is a waste of resources. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sending people without a *plan* is definitely a waste. I, too, would >>>>>>> expect to see robots sent to the Moon to build a structure long before >>>>>>> any human colony would get sent there to live in it. Until that sort >>>>>>> of thing happens, I can only laugh at the idea of a Moon base by 2022 >>>>>>> for only $10 billion. >>>>>> >>>>>> Or in other words, it won't happen until we have Star Trek level technology. >>>>> >>>>> I dont expect the ability to turn Moon rocks into Moon huts is going to >>>>> be that advanced. It *is* likely farther off that 2022, though. >>>> >>>> You miss the point, it would take Star Trek technology to make it affordable. >>> >>> jimp, everyone here believes Star Trek technology is real! >> >>It seems so as well as Star Trek economics where everything is free. >> > > You're posting to 'sci' groups, Chimp. Handwavium and bullshit are > not the currency here. So you agree that actually doing all those theoretically possible things on Mars are far too expensive to actually happen? -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-06 19:28 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <dbhbgb1mjg61gqnenlp0a6pgdc7hif88hv@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #55720 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>>In sci.physics benj <none@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 04/06/2016 02:35 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>> In sci.physics Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote:
>>>>>> For your reference, records indicate that
>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In sci.physics Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> For your reference, records indicate that
>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> All historical colonizations have been to places with air, water, and
>>>>>>>>> growing things where one could be dropped nude and survive.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I was referring to *all* projects that surround colonization, especially
>>>>>>>> the exploration efforts. Advanced tech that gets developed for any moon
>>>>>>>> shot (literal or figurative) tends to benefit everyone.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is a big difference between a colony and a research station.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Antarctica has lots of research stations but no colonies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just pointed that out in the message youre replying to. Your claim
>>>>>> is that it is irrelevant!
>>>>>
>>>>> As Antarctica has never had any colonies, Antarctica is irrelevant to
>>>>> a discussion of colonies.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are essentially zero natural resources available anywhere else
>>>>>>> in the solar system and what few natural resources there are are only
>>>>>>> available with complex technology.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just because *you* dont know how to make use of the available resources
>>>>>> doesnt mean they dont exist and doesnt mean they have no value. Is
>>>>>> it going to be a greater challenge than Earth life living on Earth? Of
>>>>>> course. Doesnt mean we can come up with a nice boot-strappy plan to
>>>>>> make it work. Bywe of course, I clearly dont mean you.
>>>>>
>>>>> So just what are the natural resources available on Mars?
>>>>>
>>>>> There are no forests, no lakes, no rivers, no life and no air.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would say the odds of finding limestone deposits to make cement
>>>>> highly unlikely. You do know limestone is organically created, don't
>>>>> you?
>>>>>
>>>>> You may find bauxite or iron ore, but unless it is really close to
>>>>> where you set up your colony, you would have no way to transport it.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you setup your colony next to some ore deposit, you need a refinary
>>>>> and power for it, which could only come from a fair sized reactor.
>>>>>
>>>>> You need a lot of raw material and the ability to process it into
>>>>> something usefull to build the domed and pressurized buildings
>>>>> required to survive and do anything.
>>>>>
>>>>> You will be lacking just about all usefull chemicals as most of
>>>>> them come from petroleum, so no plastics.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm all for sending swarms of robots throughout the solar system, but
>>>>>>>>> sending people is a waste of resources.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sending people without a *plan* is definitely a waste. I, too, would
>>>>>>>> expect to see robots sent to the Moon to build a structure long before
>>>>>>>> any human colony would get sent there to live in it. Until that sort
>>>>>>>> of thing happens, I can only laugh at the idea of a Moon base by 2022
>>>>>>>> for only $10 billion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or in other words, it won't happen until we have Star Trek level technology.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I dont expect the ability to turn Moon rocks into Moon huts is going to
>>>>>> be that advanced. It *is* likely farther off that 2022, though.
>>>>>
>>>>> You miss the point, it would take Star Trek technology to make it affordable.
>>>>
>>>> jimp, everyone here believes Star Trek technology is real!
>>>
>>>It seems so as well as Star Trek economics where everything is free.
>>>
>>
>> You're posting to 'sci' groups, Chimp. Handwavium and bullshit are
>> not the currency here.
>>
>
>So you agree that actually doing all those theoretically possible things
>on Mars are far too expensive to actually happen?
>
So you just make shit up and pretend people have agreed to it? How
intellectually dishonest of you!
--
"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the
soul with evil."
-- Socrates
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-07 03:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <632htc-06m.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #55723 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >>>>In sci.physics benj <none@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> On 04/06/2016 02:35 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>> In sci.physics Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote: >>>>>>> For your reference, records indicate that >>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In sci.physics Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> For your reference, records indicate that >>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> All historical colonizations have been to places with air, water, and >>>>>>>>>> growing things where one could be dropped nude and survive. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I was referring to *all* projects that surround colonization, especially >>>>>>>>> the exploration efforts. Advanced tech that gets developed for any moon >>>>>>>>> shot (literal or figurative) tends to benefit everyone. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There is a big difference between a colony and a research station. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Antarctica has lots of research stations but no colonies. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I just pointed that out in the message youre replying to. Your claim >>>>>>> is that it is irrelevant! >>>>>> >>>>>> As Antarctica has never had any colonies, Antarctica is irrelevant to >>>>>> a discussion of colonies. >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There are essentially zero natural resources available anywhere else >>>>>>>> in the solar system and what few natural resources there are are only >>>>>>>> available with complex technology. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just because *you* dont know how to make use of the available resources >>>>>>> doesnt mean they dont exist and doesnt mean they have no value. Is >>>>>>> it going to be a greater challenge than Earth life living on Earth? Of >>>>>>> course. Doesnt mean we can come up with a nice boot-strappy plan to >>>>>>> make it work. Bywe of course, I clearly dont mean you. >>>>>> >>>>>> So just what are the natural resources available on Mars? >>>>>> >>>>>> There are no forests, no lakes, no rivers, no life and no air. >>>>>> >>>>>> I would say the odds of finding limestone deposits to make cement >>>>>> highly unlikely. You do know limestone is organically created, don't >>>>>> you? >>>>>> >>>>>> You may find bauxite or iron ore, but unless it is really close to >>>>>> where you set up your colony, you would have no way to transport it. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you setup your colony next to some ore deposit, you need a refinary >>>>>> and power for it, which could only come from a fair sized reactor. >>>>>> >>>>>> You need a lot of raw material and the ability to process it into >>>>>> something usefull to build the domed and pressurized buildings >>>>>> required to survive and do anything. >>>>>> >>>>>> You will be lacking just about all usefull chemicals as most of >>>>>> them come from petroleum, so no plastics. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm all for sending swarms of robots throughout the solar system, but >>>>>>>>>> sending people is a waste of resources. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sending people without a *plan* is definitely a waste. I, too, would >>>>>>>>> expect to see robots sent to the Moon to build a structure long before >>>>>>>>> any human colony would get sent there to live in it. Until that sort >>>>>>>>> of thing happens, I can only laugh at the idea of a Moon base by 2022 >>>>>>>>> for only $10 billion. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Or in other words, it won't happen until we have Star Trek level technology. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I dont expect the ability to turn Moon rocks into Moon huts is going to >>>>>>> be that advanced. It *is* likely farther off that 2022, though. >>>>>> >>>>>> You miss the point, it would take Star Trek technology to make it affordable. >>>>> >>>>> jimp, everyone here believes Star Trek technology is real! >>>> >>>>It seems so as well as Star Trek economics where everything is free. >>>> >>> >>> You're posting to 'sci' groups, Chimp. Handwavium and bullshit are >>> not the currency here. >>> >> >>So you agree that actually doing all those theoretically possible things >>on Mars are far too expensive to actually happen? >> > > So you just make shit up and pretend people have agreed to it? How > intellectually dishonest of you! Have you ever responded with anything other than bile and name calling to posts you don't agree with? How about YOUR outline to colonize Mars, what it would cost, and how it would be financed. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-06 22:06 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <erpbgbtgjjfo6f7simv9h3hkus01qah7i7@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #55725 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In sci.physics benj <none@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 04/06/2016 02:35 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>> In sci.physics Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> For your reference, records indicate that
>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In sci.physics Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> For your reference, records indicate that
>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> All historical colonizations have been to places with air, water, and
>>>>>>>>>>> growing things where one could be dropped nude and survive.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I was referring to *all* projects that surround colonization, especially
>>>>>>>>>> the exploration efforts. Advanced tech that gets developed for any moon
>>>>>>>>>> shot (literal or figurative) tends to benefit everyone.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is a big difference between a colony and a research station.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Antarctica has lots of research stations but no colonies.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just pointed that out in the message youre replying to. Your claim
>>>>>>>> is that it is irrelevant!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As Antarctica has never had any colonies, Antarctica is irrelevant to
>>>>>>> a discussion of colonies.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There are essentially zero natural resources available anywhere else
>>>>>>>>> in the solar system and what few natural resources there are are only
>>>>>>>>> available with complex technology.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just because *you* dont know how to make use of the available resources
>>>>>>>> doesnt mean they dont exist and doesnt mean they have no value. Is
>>>>>>>> it going to be a greater challenge than Earth life living on Earth? Of
>>>>>>>> course. Doesnt mean we can come up with a nice boot-strappy plan to
>>>>>>>> make it work. Bywe of course, I clearly dont mean you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So just what are the natural resources available on Mars?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are no forests, no lakes, no rivers, no life and no air.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would say the odds of finding limestone deposits to make cement
>>>>>>> highly unlikely. You do know limestone is organically created, don't
>>>>>>> you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You may find bauxite or iron ore, but unless it is really close to
>>>>>>> where you set up your colony, you would have no way to transport it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you setup your colony next to some ore deposit, you need a refinary
>>>>>>> and power for it, which could only come from a fair sized reactor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You need a lot of raw material and the ability to process it into
>>>>>>> something usefull to build the domed and pressurized buildings
>>>>>>> required to survive and do anything.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You will be lacking just about all usefull chemicals as most of
>>>>>>> them come from petroleum, so no plastics.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm all for sending swarms of robots throughout the solar system, but
>>>>>>>>>>> sending people is a waste of resources.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sending people without a *plan* is definitely a waste. I, too, would
>>>>>>>>>> expect to see robots sent to the Moon to build a structure long before
>>>>>>>>>> any human colony would get sent there to live in it. Until that sort
>>>>>>>>>> of thing happens, I can only laugh at the idea of a Moon base by 2022
>>>>>>>>>> for only $10 billion.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Or in other words, it won't happen until we have Star Trek level technology.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I dont expect the ability to turn Moon rocks into Moon huts is going to
>>>>>>>> be that advanced. It *is* likely farther off that 2022, though.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You miss the point, it would take Star Trek technology to make it affordable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> jimp, everyone here believes Star Trek technology is real!
>>>>>
>>>>>It seems so as well as Star Trek economics where everything is free.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You're posting to 'sci' groups, Chimp. Handwavium and bullshit are
>>>> not the currency here.
>>>>
>>>
>>>So you agree that actually doing all those theoretically possible things
>>>on Mars are far too expensive to actually happen?
>>>
>>
>> So you just make shit up and pretend people have agreed to it? How
>> intellectually dishonest of you!
>>
>
>Have you ever responded with anything other than bile and name calling
>to posts you don't agree with?
>
Yes, I have. For example, I've posted links to research and resources
that explode most of your claims. Do you ever read them? You only
get "bile and name calling" when you act like a lying dishonest dick.
Of course, you do that a lot, so that might be why you get slapped
around so often.
>
>How about YOUR outline to colonize Mars, what it would cost, and how it
>would be financed.
>
The world hardly needs my outline. Several different groups have put
together workable plans. See the Mars Reference Mission from NASA, or
Zubrin's "Mars Direct", or any of a number of others. Why don't you
go through those and explain why all the experts are wrong and you're
right?
The big driver on cost for most of them is launch costs and those are
dropping pretty damned quickly these days. Yes, a large, fully
independent colony on Mars will take a long time. But then, such
colonies have always taken a long time here on Earth, too.
--
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable
man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore,
all progress depends on the unreasonable man."
--George Bernard Shaw
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2016-04-07 06:17 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <okahtc-d2n.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #55727 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>Have you ever responded with anything other than bile and name calling >>to posts you don't agree with? >> > > Yes, I have. For example, I've posted links to research and resources > that explode most of your claims. Do you ever read them? You only > get "bile and name calling" when you act like a lying dishonest dick. > Of course, you do that a lot, so that might be why you get slapped > around so often. OK, so you mix your bile and name calling with off topic links about research stations when the topic is colonies. >> >>How about YOUR outline to colonize Mars, what it would cost, and how it >>would be financed. >> > > The world hardly needs my outline. Several different groups have put > together workable plans. See the Mars Reference Mission from NASA, or > Zubrin's "Mars Direct", or any of a number of others. Why don't you > go through those and explain why all the experts are wrong and you're > right? None of the things you reference talk about a colony on Mars, they talk about research stations. A colony, other than a penal colony, has families raising kids. > The big driver on cost for most of them is launch costs and those are > dropping pretty damned quickly these days. Yes, a large, fully > independent colony on Mars will take a long time. But then, such > colonies have always taken a long time here on Earth, too. Nope, most all successful colonies were survivable without outside resupply in a time frame measured in months, i.e. how long it took to erect basic shelter, find water, and get the crops planted. The big driver on cost in getting to Mars is the cost per pound of getting stuff off the Earth, to Mars, and landing it softly on Mars. And to establish a colony, not just a research station, takes so many pounds of stuff just to survive on Mars, it just isn't going to happen ever without astounding new technology. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-07 12:32 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <02ddgb9jd4db18frhb01bl9jaa0ntuq58h@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #55740 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>>Have you ever responded with anything other than bile and name calling
>>>to posts you don't agree with?
>>>
>>
>> Yes, I have. For example, I've posted links to research and resources
>> that explode most of your claims. Do you ever read them? You only
>> get "bile and name calling" when you act like a lying dishonest dick.
>> Of course, you do that a lot, so that might be why you get slapped
>> around so often.
>
>OK, so you mix your bile and name calling with off topic links about
>research stations when the topic is colonies.
>
And you think there's no relationship? Wow, we need to feed you nitro
and see if we can blow your head loose from being lodged so far up
your ass.
>>>
>>>How about YOUR outline to colonize Mars, what it would cost, and how it
>>>would be financed.
>>>
>>
>> The world hardly needs my outline. Several different groups have put
>> together workable plans. See the Mars Reference Mission from NASA, or
>> Zubrin's "Mars Direct", or any of a number of others. Why don't you
>> go through those and explain why all the experts are wrong and you're
>> right?
>
>None of the things you reference talk about a colony on Mars, they
>talk about research stations.
>
>A colony, other than a penal colony, has families raising kids.
>
And you think those are totally different things with totally
different needs? Wow, talk about being a maroon!
>> The big driver on cost for most of them is launch costs and those are
>> dropping pretty damned quickly these days. Yes, a large, fully
>> independent colony on Mars will take a long time. But then, such
>> colonies have always taken a long time here on Earth, too.
>
>Nope, most all successful colonies were survivable without outside resupply
>in a time frame measured in months, i.e. how long it took to erect basic
>shelter, find water, and get the crops planted.
>
You're ignorant about colonies here on Earth so I suppose I shouldn't
be surprised that you're so ignorant about colonies off it.
>
>The big driver on cost in getting to Mars is the cost per pound of getting
>stuff off the Earth, to Mars, and landing it softly on Mars.
>
And that cost is currently around 100 times higher than it needs to
be.
>
>And to establish a colony, not just a research station, takes so many
>pounds of stuff just to survive on Mars, it just isn't going to happen ever
>without astounding new technology.
>
No 'astounding new technology' required unless you're insisting we
have to be able to instantaneously drop Pittsburgh on Mars. We're
already on the road to dropping launch costs by orders of magnitude.
Back to your cave, Chimp...
--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the
truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
-- Thomas Jefferson
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