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| First post | 2016-03-25 10:02 -0700 |
| Last post | 2016-04-11 19:09 -0700 |
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The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon dumpster4@hotmail.com - 2016-03-25 10:02 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-03-25 18:38 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon bob haller <hallerb@aol.com> - 2016-03-26 11:50 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-03-26 16:38 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon dumpster4@hotmail.com - 2016-03-26 23:05 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-03-27 00:28 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-03-27 16:56 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-03-27 22:26 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-03-27 19:51 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2016-04-03 12:52 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-03 17:07 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 15:28 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 18:06 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 18:36 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 01:38 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-04-04 15:20 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-04 18:35 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 12:58 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon bob haller <hallerb@aol.com> - 2016-04-04 20:13 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 23:50 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 20:02 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Jack Ryan <mixmaster@remailer.cpunk.us> - 2016-04-05 03:50 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-05 18:20 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-05 16:14 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-05 18:47 -0500
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 00:00 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-04-07 06:10 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 18:51 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 16:35 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-08 14:23 -0500
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 13:25 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-09 09:57 -0500
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 09:55 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 12:38 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 10:20 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-17 12:53 -0500
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 13:01 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-17 19:38 -0500
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 00:27 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 17:44 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 00:28 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2016-04-05 22:14 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 03:38 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2016-04-16 11:58 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-16 16:17 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 00:07 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-04-07 06:24 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 04:54 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 05:53 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 19:03 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 16:47 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-04-05 19:53 -0600
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 03:42 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-04-05 23:06 -0600
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 18:05 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 12:34 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-07 19:18 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 13:04 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-07 21:07 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 00:03 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-08 17:50 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 13:03 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-08 21:47 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 21:24 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-09 13:55 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-09 10:08 -0500
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 08:51 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 18:07 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 12:49 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 20:16 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 19:07 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-10 06:16 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 06:46 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-10 16:23 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 15:19 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-10 22:49 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 20:02 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-11 04:05 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 01:41 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-11 18:18 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 19:20 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-17 12:53 -0500
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 13:02 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-10 12:06 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 06:57 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-10 14:17 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 08:26 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-10 16:40 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 15:38 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-11 19:06 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-11 19:50 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 20:02 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-12 17:16 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 15:03 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 19:54 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-12 17:18 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 15:04 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-12 22:33 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 21:48 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-13 05:02 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 00:07 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-13 17:35 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 12:23 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-13 20:09 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 13:36 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-13 21:06 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 19:24 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-14 02:51 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 21:03 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-14 04:36 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 00:56 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-14 18:02 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 13:40 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-14 22:09 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 15:40 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-14 22:53 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 17:24 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-15 00:42 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 19:24 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-15 04:13 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 22:02 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-15 21:04 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-15 15:21 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-15 22:42 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 01:33 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-16 16:22 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 11:07 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-16 19:20 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 12:52 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-16 20:44 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 19:35 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-17 05:22 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 23:55 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-17 12:54 -0500
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 13:03 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon dumpster4@hotmail.com - 2016-04-14 08:58 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 13:28 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 14:28 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 20:26 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 23:49 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-08 18:24 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 13:10 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-08 22:40 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 21:55 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 06:11 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 07:49 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 18:21 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 12:57 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 20:29 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 19:30 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-04-09 00:01 -0600
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 09:03 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Womack <twomack@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2016-04-09 09:21 +0100
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 18:24 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 14:47 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 16:54 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-04-09 15:49 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 10:45 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 19:08 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 13:22 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 20:41 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 19:50 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-04-06 17:39 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 18:08 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 12:36 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 19:06 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 12:59 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 20:28 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 23:52 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-08 18:26 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 13:14 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-08 22:42 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 21:57 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 06:14 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 07:52 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 18:31 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 13:00 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 20:34 +0000
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-09 20:05 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <oggjgb1viun8llji26tdar4h9n2h7822qu@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #55896 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>What you need to drop in is most of the Earth.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Utter bullshit. By your 'definitions' there has never been a 'colony'
>>>>>>>> anywhere on Earth at any time.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Wrong again, space cadet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, me and Elon Musk. So how are you doing, Chimp?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm doing just fine, starry eyed ass hole.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just toddle on back to your cave, Chimp, while us "starry-eyed ass
>>>> holes" build the future for you.
>>>
>>>And again, the closest thing I have to a cave is the hangar where I keep
>>>my airplane, space cadet.
>>>
>>
>> Once again, if it was a century ago you would be railing against
>> airplanes and explaining how they would never catch on.
>>
>
>Once again, if it was a century ago I would be building airplanes.
>
Once again, no you wouldn't. Your illogic here makes that obvious.
>
>BTW, aviation took off (pun intended) when people realized there was
>a ROI to be had in building them.
>
But you wouldn't have realized it and would have argued against it.
Just like you do with colonization now.
>
>There is no ROI for a Martian colony.
>
Really? Never? Or are you just too intellectually myopic to see it?
--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-10 16:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ngcqtc-6hn.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #55915 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>What you need to drop in is most of the Earth. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Utter bullshit. By your 'definitions' there has never been a 'colony' >>>>>>>>> anywhere on Earth at any time. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Wrong again, space cadet. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yeah, me and Elon Musk. So how are you doing, Chimp? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>I'm doing just fine, starry eyed ass hole. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Just toddle on back to your cave, Chimp, while us "starry-eyed ass >>>>> holes" build the future for you. >>>> >>>>And again, the closest thing I have to a cave is the hangar where I keep >>>>my airplane, space cadet. >>>> >>> >>> Once again, if it was a century ago you would be railing against >>> airplanes and explaining how they would never catch on. >>> >> >>Once again, if it was a century ago I would be building airplanes. >> > > Once again, no you wouldn't. Your illogic here makes that obvious. > >> >>BTW, aviation took off (pun intended) when people realized there was >>a ROI to be had in building them. >> > > But you wouldn't have realized it and would have argued against it. > Just like you do with colonization now. > >> >>There is no ROI for a Martian colony. >> > > Really? Never? Or are you just too intellectually myopic to see it? If there were a ROI to be had you would have stated it long ago, but instead you just keep on arm waving and throwing out insults. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-10 16:14 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <lfnlgbh9k8a0o5j335jhivnpe5a58ku64c@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #55941 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>What you need to drop in is most of the Earth.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Utter bullshit. By your 'definitions' there has never been a 'colony'
>>>>>>>>>> anywhere on Earth at any time.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Wrong again, space cadet.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeah, me and Elon Musk. So how are you doing, Chimp?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I'm doing just fine, starry eyed ass hole.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just toddle on back to your cave, Chimp, while us "starry-eyed ass
>>>>>> holes" build the future for you.
>>>>>
>>>>>And again, the closest thing I have to a cave is the hangar where I keep
>>>>>my airplane, space cadet.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Once again, if it was a century ago you would be railing against
>>>> airplanes and explaining how they would never catch on.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Once again, if it was a century ago I would be building airplanes.
>>>
>>
>> Once again, no you wouldn't. Your illogic here makes that obvious.
>>
>>>
>>>BTW, aviation took off (pun intended) when people realized there was
>>>a ROI to be had in building them.
>>>
>>
>> But you wouldn't have realized it and would have argued against it.
>> Just like you do with colonization now.
>>
>>>
>>>There is no ROI for a Martian colony.
>>>
>>
>> Really? Never? Or are you just too intellectually myopic to see it?
>
>If there were a ROI to be had you would have stated it long ago, but
>instead you just keep on arm waving and throwing out insults.
>
I've already stated several possible models. The fact that you reject
everything doesn't make it stop existing.
--
"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the
soul with evil."
-- Socrates
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-11 01:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <k8artc-9iq.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #55955 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>What you need to drop in is most of the Earth. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Utter bullshit. By your 'definitions' there has never been a 'colony' >>>>>>>>>>> anywhere on Earth at any time. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Wrong again, space cadet. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yeah, me and Elon Musk. So how are you doing, Chimp? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I'm doing just fine, starry eyed ass hole. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just toddle on back to your cave, Chimp, while us "starry-eyed ass >>>>>>> holes" build the future for you. >>>>>> >>>>>>And again, the closest thing I have to a cave is the hangar where I keep >>>>>>my airplane, space cadet. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Once again, if it was a century ago you would be railing against >>>>> airplanes and explaining how they would never catch on. >>>>> >>>> >>>>Once again, if it was a century ago I would be building airplanes. >>>> >>> >>> Once again, no you wouldn't. Your illogic here makes that obvious. >>> >>>> >>>>BTW, aviation took off (pun intended) when people realized there was >>>>a ROI to be had in building them. >>>> >>> >>> But you wouldn't have realized it and would have argued against it. >>> Just like you do with colonization now. >>> >>>> >>>>There is no ROI for a Martian colony. >>>> >>> >>> Really? Never? Or are you just too intellectually myopic to see it? >> >>If there were a ROI to be had you would have stated it long ago, but >>instead you just keep on arm waving and throwing out insults. >> > > I've already stated several possible models. The fact that you reject > everything doesn't make it stop existing. The only model you have presented is that of charging people to go to Mars. You have NEVER said anything about any good shipped back to Earth at a profit, space cadet arm waver. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-10 20:23 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <m36mgblau357a1gkllu5tjqddtdrndc8ku@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #55963 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>What you need to drop in is most of the Earth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Utter bullshit. By your 'definitions' there has never been a 'colony'
>>>>>>>>>>>> anywhere on Earth at any time.
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Wrong again, space cadet.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, me and Elon Musk. So how are you doing, Chimp?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I'm doing just fine, starry eyed ass hole.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just toddle on back to your cave, Chimp, while us "starry-eyed ass
>>>>>>>> holes" build the future for you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And again, the closest thing I have to a cave is the hangar where I keep
>>>>>>>my airplane, space cadet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Once again, if it was a century ago you would be railing against
>>>>>> airplanes and explaining how they would never catch on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Once again, if it was a century ago I would be building airplanes.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Once again, no you wouldn't. Your illogic here makes that obvious.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>BTW, aviation took off (pun intended) when people realized there was
>>>>>a ROI to be had in building them.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But you wouldn't have realized it and would have argued against it.
>>>> Just like you do with colonization now.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>There is no ROI for a Martian colony.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Really? Never? Or are you just too intellectually myopic to see it?
>>>
>>>If there were a ROI to be had you would have stated it long ago, but
>>>instead you just keep on arm waving and throwing out insults.
>>>
>>
>> I've already stated several possible models. The fact that you reject
>> everything doesn't make it stop existing.
>>
>
>The only model you have presented is that of charging people to go to
>Mars.
>
Liar.
>
>You have NEVER said anything about any good shipped back to Earth
>at a profit, space cadet arm waver.
>
Microsoft makes most of its money from not shipping goods at all,
chimpshit willie-waver.
--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-11 06:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <9urrtc-q9s.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #55971 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>What you need to drop in is most of the Earth. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Utter bullshit. By your 'definitions' there has never been a 'colony' >>>>>>>>>>>>> anywhere on Earth at any time. >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Wrong again, space cadet. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, me and Elon Musk. So how are you doing, Chimp? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>I'm doing just fine, starry eyed ass hole. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Just toddle on back to your cave, Chimp, while us "starry-eyed ass >>>>>>>>> holes" build the future for you. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>And again, the closest thing I have to a cave is the hangar where I keep >>>>>>>>my airplane, space cadet. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Once again, if it was a century ago you would be railing against >>>>>>> airplanes and explaining how they would never catch on. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Once again, if it was a century ago I would be building airplanes. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Once again, no you wouldn't. Your illogic here makes that obvious. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>BTW, aviation took off (pun intended) when people realized there was >>>>>>a ROI to be had in building them. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> But you wouldn't have realized it and would have argued against it. >>>>> Just like you do with colonization now. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>There is no ROI for a Martian colony. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Really? Never? Or are you just too intellectually myopic to see it? >>>> >>>>If there were a ROI to be had you would have stated it long ago, but >>>>instead you just keep on arm waving and throwing out insults. >>>> >>> >>> I've already stated several possible models. The fact that you reject >>> everything doesn't make it stop existing. >>> >> >>The only model you have presented is that of charging people to go to >>Mars. >> > > Liar. Nope you said Musk planned to make money from the transport and setup. Noting about anything else to turn a profit. >>You have NEVER said anything about any good shipped back to Earth >>at a profit, space cadet arm waver. >> > > Microsoft makes most of its money from not shipping goods at all, > chimpshit willie-waver. Wrong again, space cadet, everything Microsoft sells is taxable goods and is shipped in some form. So what will Mars be selling to pay for supplies, space cadet? -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-11 07:38 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <sjdngb5me0cdjdh3g3poi3u3e4155e0tmc@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #55987 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>What you need to drop in is most of the Earth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Utter bullshit. By your 'definitions' there has never been a 'colony'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anywhere on Earth at any time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Wrong again, space cadet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, me and Elon Musk. So how are you doing, Chimp?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I'm doing just fine, starry eyed ass hole.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Just toddle on back to your cave, Chimp, while us "starry-eyed ass
>>>>>>>>>> holes" build the future for you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>And again, the closest thing I have to a cave is the hangar where I keep
>>>>>>>>>my airplane, space cadet.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Once again, if it was a century ago you would be railing against
>>>>>>>> airplanes and explaining how they would never catch on.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Once again, if it was a century ago I would be building airplanes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Once again, no you wouldn't. Your illogic here makes that obvious.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>BTW, aviation took off (pun intended) when people realized there was
>>>>>>>a ROI to be had in building them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But you wouldn't have realized it and would have argued against it.
>>>>>> Just like you do with colonization now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>There is no ROI for a Martian colony.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Really? Never? Or are you just too intellectually myopic to see it?
>>>>>
>>>>>If there were a ROI to be had you would have stated it long ago, but
>>>>>instead you just keep on arm waving and throwing out insults.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've already stated several possible models. The fact that you reject
>>>> everything doesn't make it stop existing.
>>>>
>>>
>>>The only model you have presented is that of charging people to go to
>>>Mars.
>>>
>>
>> Liar.
>
>Nope you said Musk planned to make money from the transport and
>setup. Noting about anything else to turn a profit.
>
Sadly, I believe your attention span really is that short. But you're
still a liar.
>>>You have NEVER said anything about any good shipped back to Earth
>>>at a profit, space cadet arm waver.
>>>
>>
>> Microsoft makes most of its money from not shipping goods at all,
>> chimpshit willie-waver.
>
>Wrong again, space cadet, everything Microsoft sells is taxable goods
>and is shipped in some form.
>
Nope. It's not 'goods'. It's 'IP' and need have no physical form at
all. I'm not surprised that you don't know the difference.
>
>So what will Mars be selling to pay for supplies, space cadet?
>
Asked and answered, chimpshit.
--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
only stupid."
-- Heinrich Heine
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-11 18:29 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <u07ttc-ji3.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #55992 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: <snip> >>Nope you said Musk planned to make money from the transport and >>setup. Noting about anything else to turn a profit. >> > > Sadly, I believe your attention span really is that short. But you're > still a liar. Then what else was there? <snip> >>So what will Mars be selling to pay for supplies, space cadet? >> > > Asked and answered, chimpshit. Nope avoided with arm waving about Microsoft, space cadet. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-11 19:25 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <j4nogbdq19fc015vj4vkeuj74v6ctvn2ps@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #56002 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>>>Nope you said Musk planned to make money from the transport and
>>>setup. Noting about anything else to turn a profit.
>>>
>>
>> Sadly, I believe your attention span really is that short. But you're
>> still a liar.
>
>Then what else was there?
>
><snip>
>
>>>So what will Mars be selling to pay for supplies, space cadet?
>>>
>>
>> Asked and answered, chimpshit.
>
>Nope avoided with arm waving about Microsoft, space cadet.
>
Yeah, your attention span really is that short...
--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-12 17:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <innvtc-24f.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #56014 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >> >><snip> >> >>>>Nope you said Musk planned to make money from the transport and >>>>setup. Noting about anything else to turn a profit. >>>> >>> >>> Sadly, I believe your attention span really is that short. But you're >>> still a liar. >> >>Then what else was there? >> >><snip> >> >>>>So what will Mars be selling to pay for supplies, space cadet? >>>> >>> >>> Asked and answered, chimpshit. >> >>Nope avoided with arm waving about Microsoft, space cadet. >> > > Yeah, your attention span really is that short... It is difficult to pay attention to nothing. So rub my nose in it and restate the export, space cadet. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-12 15:11 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <6hsqgbhi6jllhh49pogamfr9odmm0cv8v9@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #56033 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>
>>><snip>
>>>
>>>>>Nope you said Musk planned to make money from the transport and
>>>>>setup. Noting about anything else to turn a profit.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sadly, I believe your attention span really is that short. But you're
>>>> still a liar.
>>>
>>>Then what else was there?
>>>
>>><snip>
>>>
>>>>>So what will Mars be selling to pay for supplies, space cadet?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Asked and answered, chimpshit.
>>>
>>>Nope avoided with arm waving about Microsoft, space cadet.
>>>
>>
>> Yeah, your attention span really is that short...
>
>It is difficult to pay attention to nothing.
>
Oh, you mean WITH nothing, as in the vacuum between your ears.
>
>So rub my nose in it and restate the export, space cadet.
>
Telecommunication, support services, information. Any of this
sounding at all familiar?
--
"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the
soul with evil."
-- Socrates
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| From | Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-12 21:09 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nek9qa$1p7r$4@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #56042 |
On 4/12/2016 5:11 PM, Fred J. McCall wrote:
> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>
>> In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
> Oven. Whatever is needed. Oven. Whatever it needs to.
no answer ? try to think it through.
man needs 500 liters of O2 per day
there are 10 men up there, 2 are needed to run the O2 plant, and 2
are needed to run the Water plant, and 2 are needed to run the N2 plant.
so your O2 flow rate is 5,000 liters per day,
your N2 flow rate is 15,000 liters per day (assume a 25% O2)
and about 7.5 liters of water per day per person
so how many tons rocks do you cook per day ?
How much energy is needed to run the rock cooking plant?
What type of rocks work for O2 that are on the surface ?
where do you get 24 liters of water per day ? (assume a 25% recapture rate)
Biofilm questions: where does the lost water go? will the biofilm cause
dammage to the electronics? How much energy is used to keep the
Humidity down to below 70% ?
how do you reprocess the salt bath used for cooking the rocks ?
What rocks do you cook to get N2 ???
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-12 22:26 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <k3mrgbltiktm95p1i32evchv4ll1ulu8gh@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #56060 |
Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:
>On 4/12/2016 5:11 PM, Fred J. McCall wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>> In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Oven. Whatever is needed. Oven. Whatever it needs to.
>
>no answer ? try to think it through.
>
Asked and answered by me and others. Do try to keep up.
--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
only stupid."
-- Heinrich Heine
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| From | Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-08 20:29 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ne94bn$ebi$1@newsreader4.netcologne.de> |
| In reply to | #55785 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com <jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com> schrieb: > And the same plants that make stainless steel 8-32 screws is not going to > be making phosphor bronze relay contacts. 3D printing can actually offset a lot of that, to manufacture the actual parts. It'll actually be more versatile on Mars (because you have less gravity to drag down the metal drops). Any Mars colony will have to import specialities from Earth for a loooooooong time before becoming more or less self-sufficient. I actually liked the "Firefly" scenario. Terraforming and then turning settlers loose with a minimum of technology sounds doable, provided you can do the terrarforming part easily :-)
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-08 23:05 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <73qltc-fb8.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #55796 |
In sci.physics Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com <jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com> schrieb: > >> And the same plants that make stainless steel 8-32 screws is not going to >> be making phosphor bronze relay contacts. > > 3D printing can actually offset a lot of that, to manufacture the actual > parts. 3D printing makes parts from raw stock. You still have to get the raw stock and there are few things that could be 3D printed. Look around your house, starting with the cloths you are wearing, and ask yourself how much of this stuff could be 3D printed. > It'll actually be more versatile on Mars (because you have less > gravity to drag down the metal drops). > Any Mars colony will have to import specialities from Earth for > a loooooooong time before becoming more or less self-sufficient. Like until we can figure out how to terraform Mars. > I actually liked the "Firefly" scenario. Terraforming and then > turning settlers loose with a minimum of technology sounds > doable, provided you can do the terrarforming part easily :-) And proven to work as shown by the settling of the American Continents. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-07 04:20 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <f151a98b-7751-4ff9-b055-53c38231951d@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #55726 |
Expense is a function of technical maturity and investment in supply chains. Continuing investment in computers along a well-defined path of development transforms the role of computers in our society. Continuing investment in internal combustion engines and automobiles, transforms the role of automobiles in our society- turning them from play things for the rich, to a commodity transport that changes the nature of our cities. Similar investments in advanced technology, in combination with other technologies, will produce other transformative technologies. Air travel has been developing over a longer period than automobiles, but driverless cars and passengers carrying drones will make point to point travel on demand a reality. http://www.pcworld.com/article/3019704/consumer-electronics/the-ehang-184-is-a-single-passenger-drone-that-transports-people-yes-people-at-11-000-feet.html With power beaming, the 20 minute flight time of this craft can be extended. http://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/drones/a7966/how-it-works-laser-beaming-recharges-uav-in-flight-11091133/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq7ieXNoyVw Draw a 12 mile ring around the Chrysler building in New York City, and put four ABL type laser steering systems atop the building (which doubles as a defence of the city btw) that allows 32 ships to be powered of the type EHANG 184. At $300,000 per ship, 32 ships cost $10 million. The lasers are $10 million as well. A total of $20 million. 100 kW power each, a total of 3200 kW. At $0.181 per kWh that's $579.10 per hour. Divided by 32 ships that's $18.10 per hour per ship. 32 ships produce 320 trips per hour or 7,680 trips per day. There are 20 million people in the service area. In 6 minutes you can go 6 miles, which is the average distance of a taxi ride that takes 40 minutes during rush hour - point to point anywhere in the city at 62 miles per hour by line of sight. Cost $120 per trip - typical of Manhattan taxi and limo service, but much much faster. So, each ship generates $1200 per hour times 32 that's $38,400 per hour. Less $579.10 that's $37,820.90 per hour. That's $331.53 million per year. A discount rate of 8.5% over 10 years is worth $2.22 billion the day it starts. Today, with governments spending money to build rockets, and with governments classifying rocket technology as being too dangerous to be generally known, its not surprising that rockets are very expensive. But, it need not be that way! With appropriate investment by innovative corporations not beholden to government or constrained by legacy concerns of ancient weapons systems, radical transformations can take place, and are taking place. A Falcon Heavy can put 53 metric tons into Low Earth Orbit. This is equivalent to 10 communications satellites. Advanced satellites that have open optical broadband between satellites to implement an optical back bone in the THz range, and an inflatable phased array uplink downlink that paints thousands of stationary Doppler corrected cells on the Earth's surface - to implement a global wireless hotspot - With 10 launches, and 100 satellites, a company with less than $2 billion could capture a good portion, if not the entirety of the world's $3 trillion telecom market. With this sort of income, a company could invest any amount needed to develop further innovations using off world assets and resources. A Falcon Heavy can put up an inflatable concentrator that powers a solar pumped laser, that beams energy where its needed on the surface and anywhere in cislunar space. At 22 kW per kg specific power, a 53 ton satellite generates 1.16 billion watts of continuous power and makes it available anywhere on Earth in any amount. At $0.181 per kWh this system produces $211,046 per hour. Or $1.85 billion per year. Over 30 years at 8.5% discount this revenue stream is worth $19.88 billion the day it switches on. The capital cost of this system is likely less than $1 billion, including the ground stations. This will allow a company to capture the $4 trillion per year energy marketplace. The Falcon Heavy can put up a solar pumped laser that uses laser powered rockets to propel itself from LEO to GEO, or from LEO to any of the Lagrange Points, or from LEO to Mars, or the asteroids. Powerful lasers can also be used to propel ships using photonic thrust technology, to put objects launched by rockets onto the moon, or Mars or among the asteroids. At 1 AU a 1.16 GW laser can process 384 tons per hour. At 1.57 AU (at Mars) 141 tons per hour. At Ceres (2.6 AU) this falls to 52 tons per hour. The material is broken down to the atomic level and reassembled in vacuo, to produce anything through additive manufacturing. The materials or objects can be dispatched without the use of propellant through photonic thrusters anywhere they're needed in the solar system. In this way capturing the $9 trillion per year in manufactured goods for humanity. All without labour. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX-iJLHZt8M With 10 launches we capture all the world's telecom market and earn $3 trillion per year, With 16,000 launches, we capture all the world's energy market, and earn $4 trillion per year, With 1,000 launches, we capture all the world's manufacturing and mining markets, and earn $9 trillion per year This leads to massive unemployment. With automated systems operational off world, it makes sense to move unemployed people off world as well to reduce costs of supporting them. Alright, so how long could this take? Well the first 10 are from plain vanilla Falcon Heavy rockets. However, the revenue allows development of advanced Falcon Heavies, one that can be recovered and reused in four hours, and be flown 150 times. Thus, 16 launches per day, times 1000 days, less than 3 years, requires only 3 launchers of this capacity! Now, a Dragon capsule masses 8,000 kg and carries 7 astronauts for up to two weeks. 53 tons could carry 100 passengers for up to one week, and by combining photonic thruster technology with suspended animation technology https://labs.fhcrc.org/roth/ So, carrying 100 people to Mars and landing them there - would cost how much? Well, the infrastructure would already be there in the form of automated solar powered systems that could build anything. The same systems that recycle all wastes. Now, $61 million cost per launch divided by 100 people is $610,000 per person. However, this is the construction cost of the rockets. With 150 flights per launcher, the price will drop to $610,000 per launch, and cost per passenger costs $6,100 - the price of a business class ticket from the US to Europe. So, with recovery of the boosters at the launch center, within 2 hours of launch, and another 2 hours to refurbish and refuel the vehicle, a single vehicle can put up 600 people per day. Three vehicles put up 1,800 people per day. 1,000 vehicles split in groups of 50 operating from 20 launch centers put up 600,000 people per day, with one launch occuring 1.2 minutes. 219 million per year. This is far smaller than the 3.6 billion airline passengers per year carried aboard 19,340 large airliners each year. Aircraft Number A300: 376 A310: 200 A318: 35 A319: 915 A320: 1589 A321: 366 A330: 440 A340: 329 A380: 5 ARJ: 117 ATP: 31 ATR42: 318 ATR72: 307 B.142: 142 B717: 149 B727: 491 B737: 4416 B747: 936 B757: 1009 B767: 852 B777: 596 CRJ: 1284 DC-9: 292 DC-10: 198 DHC-8: 689 Do328: 150 ERJ: 964 E170: 153 E190: 60 F28: 67 F50: 188 F60: 4 F70: 46 F100: 221 J-41: 53 L1011: 33 MD-11: 174 MD-80: 954 MD-90: 106 S2000: 57 Tu204: 28 Total: 19'340 Expanding the 22 rocket launch sites operating today to handle the same number of flights per hour as O'Hare international airport, http://www.spacetoday.org/Rockets/Spaceports/LaunchSites.html There would be 44 flights every minute carrying 6.43 million people per day off world aboard 10,560 ships with 480 ships at each rocket base, each carrying 100 passengers per launch. At this rate it takes less than 4 years to depopulate Earth: Year Earth Off-World 2020AD 7,280.0 2,314.0 2021 AD 5,063.0 4,704.8 2022 AD 2,816.4 7,175.0 2023 AD 539.9 9,727.2 Reducing the world's population to 540 million by 2023 AD! People would go to Bishop Rings built in the asteroid belt from the major asteroids and be served by self replicating utility fog. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZn5k8_my_o&nohtml5=False https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXpkG93KzdY&nohtml5=False http://www.iase.cc/openair.htm http://www.kurzweilai.net/utility-fog-the-stuff-that-dreams-are-made-of 10,000 rings that are each 2,000 km in diameter and 600 km wide. This is a region 3.77 million sq km. A little bit larger than India, but sporting a population of less than 1 million!
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| From | Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-07 16:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ne61cq$gd2$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #55711 |
For your reference, records indicate that jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > As Antarctica has never had any colonies, Antarctica is irrelevant to > a discussion of colonies. And yet *you* were the one who brought it up. It’s always fun to see people attacking their own straw man arguments! :-) > So just what are the natural resources available on Mars? All the ones we know about, and all the ones we *don’t yet* know about. The main problem with your thinking is that you seem to use Earth- centric thinking when evaluating the resources that are available. > There are no forests, no lakes, no rivers, no life and no air. You seem to have more knowledge than NASA on those things. How is that? > I would say the odds of finding limestone deposits to make cement > highly unlikely. You do know limestone is organically created, don't > you? You do know that civilizations have been built without relying on limestone, don’t you? [blathering about industrial mining snipped] > something usefull to build the domed and pressurized buildings > required to survive and do anything. If that’s how you think about what is *required* to survive, you clearly haven’t thought much about the problem. These are *your* straw men. > You will be lacking just about all usefull chemicals as most of > them come from petroleum, so no plastics. You do know that civilizations have been built without relying on plastics, don’t you? > You miss the point, it would take Star Trek technology to make it affordable. I don’t miss that point at all. I *made* that point when I questioned the proposed budget. But I am also making the point that it does *not* require magical technology if you don’t make the assumption that you’re going to live an Earth-styled life on such an inhospitable landscape. -- "Also . . . I can kill you with my brain." River Tam, Trash, Firefly
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2016-04-07 20:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <bdritc-31s.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
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In sci.physics Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote: > For your reference, records indicate that > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >> As Antarctica has never had any colonies, Antarctica is irrelevant to >> a discussion of colonies. > > And yet *you* were the one who brought it up. It’s always fun to see > people attacking their own straw man arguments! :-) > >> So just what are the natural resources available on Mars? > > All the ones we know about, and all the ones we *dont yet* know about. > The main problem with your thinking is that you seem to use Earth- > centric thinking when evaluating the resources that are available. I use economic thinking. It is well known that there is lots of gold in sea water but it costs far more to extract than the gold is worth. >> There are no forests, no lakes, no rivers, no life and no air. > > You seem to have more knowledge than NASA on those things. How is that? When did NASA announce there are forests, lakes, rivers, life, and air anywhere else than Earth? > >> I would say the odds of finding limestone deposits to make cement >> highly unlikely. You do know limestone is organically created, don't >> you? > > You do know that civilizations have been built without relying on > limestone, dont you? Yep, but modern civilizations are built with concrete and steel; before that it was wood. > [blathering about industrial mining snipped] > >> something usefull to build the domed and pressurized buildings >> required to survive and do anything. > > If thats how you think about what is *required* to survive, you clearly > havent thought much about the problem. These are *your* straw men. So you think you can survive on the Moon or Mars without a presurized building? Are you going to live in a pressure suit 24/7? >> You will be lacking just about all usefull chemicals as most of >> them come from petroleum, so no plastics. > > You do know that civilizations have been built without relying on > plastics, dont you? Not modern ones with the advanced technology required to survive off the Earth. > >> You miss the point, it would take Star Trek technology to make it affordable. > > I dont miss that point at all. I *made* that point when I questioned > the proposed budget. But I am also making the point that it does *not* > require magical technology if you dont make the assumption that you’re > going to live an Earth-styled life on such an inhospitable landscape. > I have been talking about colonies, i.e. families and kids. A research station requires very little in terms of infrastructure, just constant resupply. It is my opinion that an off Earth true colony would cost far too much for anyone to ever try it and few people would be willing to permanently move to one. It is my opinion that off Earth research stations are of limited value and the cost and rewards of doing them should be balanced against sending swarms of robots throughout the solar system. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-07 14:26 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <3jjdgb5vd9t9biee6hppr6r5knli3ia074@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #55755 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote:
>> For your reference, records indicate that
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>> As Antarctica has never had any colonies, Antarctica is irrelevant to
>>> a discussion of colonies.
>>
>> And yet *you* were the one who brought it up. It’s always fun to see
>> people attacking their own straw man arguments! :-)
>>
>>> So just what are the natural resources available on Mars?
>>
>> All the ones we know about, and all the ones we *dont yet* know about.
>> The main problem with your thinking is that you seem to use Earth-
>> centric thinking when evaluating the resources that are available.
>
>I use economic thinking.
>
No, you don't. Where did you get your degree in economics. They
should take it back.
>
>It is well known that there is lots of gold in sea water but it costs
>far more to extract than the gold is worth.
>
Wrong. It's just that the same amount of money applied elsewhere gets
you more gold. And you claim to be engaging in 'economic thinking'?
You don't know the meaning of the phrase!
>>> There are no forests, no lakes, no rivers, no life and no air.
>>
>> You seem to have more knowledge than NASA on those things. How is that?
>
>When did NASA announce there are forests, lakes, rivers, life, and
>air anywhere else than Earth?
>
They've announced there's free flowing water on Mars, water vapour in
the atmosphere, underground ices. You insist there aren't.
>>
>>> I would say the odds of finding limestone deposits to make cement
>>> highly unlikely. You do know limestone is organically created, don't
>>> you?
>>
>> You do know that civilizations have been built without relying on
>> limestone, dont you?
>
>Yep, but modern civilizations are built with concrete and steel; before
>that it was wood.
>
Haven't heard of 'rocks', 'caves', and 'holes' in your neck of the
woods?
>> [blathering about industrial mining snipped]
>>
>>> something usefull to build the domed and pressurized buildings
>>> required to survive and do anything.
>>
>> If thats how you think about what is *required* to survive, you clearly
>> havent thought much about the problem. These are *your* straw men.
>
>So you think you can survive on the Moon or Mars without a presurized
>building? Are you going to live in a pressure suit 24/7?
>
So you think you can't survive on the Moon with Pittsburgh?
>>> You will be lacking just about all usefull chemicals as most of
>>> them come from petroleum, so no plastics.
>>
>> You do know that civilizations have been built without relying on
>> plastics, dont you?
>
>Not modern ones with the advanced technology required to survive off
>the Earth.
>
Gee, something hasn't been done yet, so it is forever impossible. Back
to your cave, Chimp.
>>
>>> You miss the point, it would take Star Trek technology to make it affordable.
>>
>> I dont miss that point at all. I *made* that point when I questioned
>> the proposed budget. But I am also making the point that it does *not*
>> require magical technology if you dont make the assumption that you’re
>> going to live an Earth-styled life on such an inhospitable landscape.
>>
>
>I have been talking about colonies, i.e. families and kids.
>
>A research station requires very little in terms of infrastructure, just
>constant resupply.
>
Wrong. You see, this is the kind of error you make when you misapply
'economic thinking' from ignorance. First example, it's cheaper to
ship an automated rocket fuel factory to Mars to make fuel for the
return trip than it is to ship the fuel.
You really ought to read some of those papers I keep pointing you to.
It would keep you from sounding so stupidly ignorant.
>
>It is my opinion that an off Earth true colony would cost far too much
>for anyone to ever try it and few people would be willing to permanently
>move to one.
>
>It is my opinion that off Earth research stations are of limited value
>and the cost and rewards of doing them should be balanced against sending
>swarms of robots throughout the solar system.
>
If people aren't going, there's no point to "swarms of robots" so the
cost there is zero.
--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the
truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
-- Thomas Jefferson
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2016-04-07 22:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <4e4jtc-41t.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #55761 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote: >>> For your reference, records indicate that >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >>>> As Antarctica has never had any colonies, Antarctica is irrelevant to >>>> a discussion of colonies. >>> >>> And yet *you* were the one who brought it up. It?s always fun to see >>> people attacking their own straw man arguments! :-) >>> >>>> So just what are the natural resources available on Mars? >>> >>> All the ones we know about, and all the ones we *dont yet* know about. >>> The main problem with your thinking is that you seem to use Earth- >>> centric thinking when evaluating the resources that are available. >> >>I use economic thinking. >> > > No, you don't. Where did you get your degree in economics. They > should take it back. > >> >>It is well known that there is lots of gold in sea water but it costs >>far more to extract than the gold is worth. >> > > Wrong. It's just that the same amount of money applied elsewhere gets > you more gold. And you claim to be engaging in 'economic thinking'? > You don't know the meaning of the phrase! Nope, the extraction cost exceeds the value. >>>> There are no forests, no lakes, no rivers, no life and no air. >>> >>> You seem to have more knowledge than NASA on those things. How is that? >> >>When did NASA announce there are forests, lakes, rivers, life, and >>air anywhere else than Earth? >> > > They've announced there's free flowing water on Mars, water vapour in > the atmosphere, underground ices. You insist there aren't. That is not the same thing as forests, lakes and rivers, i.e. things you can stick a bucket in and fill it with drinkable water. >>>> I would say the odds of finding limestone deposits to make cement >>>> highly unlikely. You do know limestone is organically created, don't >>>> you? >>> >>> You do know that civilizations have been built without relying on >>> limestone, dont you? >> >>Yep, but modern civilizations are built with concrete and steel; before >>that it was wood. >> > > Haven't heard of 'rocks', 'caves', and 'holes' in your neck of the > woods? Sure but on Earth they don't need airlocks. >>> [blathering about industrial mining snipped] >>> >>>> something usefull to build the domed and pressurized buildings >>>> required to survive and do anything. >>> >>> If thats how you think about what is *required* to survive, you clearly >>> havent thought much about the problem. These are *your* straw men. >> >>So you think you can survive on the Moon or Mars without a presurized >>building? Are you going to live in a pressure suit 24/7? >> > > So you think you can't survive on the Moon with Pittsburgh? There go those voices in your head again. You really should see someone about that. >>>> You will be lacking just about all usefull chemicals as most of >>>> them come from petroleum, so no plastics. >>> >>> You do know that civilizations have been built without relying on >>> plastics, dont you? >> >>Not modern ones with the advanced technology required to survive off >>the Earth. >> > > Gee, something hasn't been done yet, so it is forever impossible. Back > to your cave, Chimp. There go those voices in your head again. You really should see someone about that. >>> >>>> You miss the point, it would take Star Trek technology to make it affordable. >>> >>> I dont miss that point at all. I *made* that point when I questioned >>> the proposed budget. But I am also making the point that it does *not* >>> require magical technology if you dont make the assumption that you?re >>> going to live an Earth-styled life on such an inhospitable landscape. >>> >> >>I have been talking about colonies, i.e. families and kids. >> >>A research station requires very little in terms of infrastructure, just >>constant resupply. >> > > Wrong. You see, this is the kind of error you make when you misapply > 'economic thinking' from ignorance. First example, it's cheaper to > ship an automated rocket fuel factory to Mars to make fuel for the > return trip than it is to ship the fuel. Which has nothing to do with supplying those kids with diapers and baby bottles. > You really ought to read some of those papers I keep pointing you to. > It would keep you from sounding so stupidly ignorant. > >> >>It is my opinion that an off Earth true colony would cost far too much >>for anyone to ever try it and few people would be willing to permanently >>move to one. >> >>It is my opinion that off Earth research stations are of limited value >>and the cost and rewards of doing them should be balanced against sending >>swarms of robots throughout the solar system. >> > > If people aren't going, there's no point to "swarms of robots" so the > cost there is zero. The point to swarms of robots is scientific research. Your point seems to be you want to cozy up to a three titted hooker in a Martian bar just like in the movies. -- Jim Pennino
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