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| First post | 2016-03-25 10:02 -0700 |
| Last post | 2016-04-11 19:09 -0700 |
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The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon dumpster4@hotmail.com - 2016-03-25 10:02 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-03-25 18:38 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon bob haller <hallerb@aol.com> - 2016-03-26 11:50 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-03-26 16:38 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon dumpster4@hotmail.com - 2016-03-26 23:05 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-03-27 00:28 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-03-27 16:56 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-03-27 22:26 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-03-27 19:51 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2016-04-03 12:52 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-03 17:07 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 15:28 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 18:06 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 18:36 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 01:38 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-04-04 15:20 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-04 18:35 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 12:58 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon bob haller <hallerb@aol.com> - 2016-04-04 20:13 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 23:50 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 20:02 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Jack Ryan <mixmaster@remailer.cpunk.us> - 2016-04-05 03:50 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-05 18:20 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-05 16:14 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-05 18:47 -0500
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 00:00 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-04-07 06:10 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 18:51 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 16:35 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-08 14:23 -0500
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 13:25 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-09 09:57 -0500
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 09:55 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 12:38 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 10:20 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-17 12:53 -0500
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 13:01 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-17 19:38 -0500
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 00:27 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 17:44 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 00:28 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2016-04-05 22:14 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 03:38 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2016-04-16 11:58 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-16 16:17 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 00:07 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-04-07 06:24 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 04:54 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 05:53 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 19:03 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 16:47 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-04-05 19:53 -0600
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 03:42 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-04-05 23:06 -0600
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 18:05 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 12:34 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-07 19:18 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 13:04 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-07 21:07 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 00:03 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-08 17:50 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 13:03 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-08 21:47 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 21:24 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-09 13:55 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-09 10:08 -0500
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 08:51 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 18:07 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 12:49 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 20:16 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 19:07 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-10 06:16 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 06:46 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-10 16:23 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 15:19 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-10 22:49 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 20:02 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-11 04:05 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 01:41 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-11 18:18 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 19:20 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-17 12:53 -0500
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 13:02 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-10 12:06 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 06:57 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-10 14:17 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 08:26 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-10 16:40 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 15:38 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-11 19:06 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-11 19:50 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 20:02 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-12 17:16 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 15:03 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 19:54 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-12 17:18 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 15:04 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-12 22:33 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 21:48 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-13 05:02 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 00:07 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-13 17:35 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 12:23 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-13 20:09 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 13:36 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-13 21:06 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 19:24 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-14 02:51 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 21:03 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-14 04:36 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 00:56 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-14 18:02 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 13:40 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-14 22:09 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 15:40 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-14 22:53 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 17:24 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-15 00:42 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 19:24 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-15 04:13 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 22:02 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-15 21:04 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-15 15:21 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-15 22:42 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 01:33 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-16 16:22 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 11:07 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-16 19:20 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 12:52 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-16 20:44 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 19:35 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-17 05:22 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 23:55 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-17 12:54 -0500
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 13:03 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon dumpster4@hotmail.com - 2016-04-14 08:58 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 13:28 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 14:28 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 20:26 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 23:49 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-08 18:24 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 13:10 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-08 22:40 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 21:55 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 06:11 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 07:49 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 18:21 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 12:57 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 20:29 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 19:30 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-04-09 00:01 -0600
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 09:03 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Womack <twomack@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2016-04-09 09:21 +0100
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 18:24 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 14:47 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 16:54 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-04-09 15:49 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 10:45 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 19:08 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 13:22 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 20:41 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 19:50 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-04-06 17:39 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 18:08 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 12:36 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 19:06 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 12:59 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 20:28 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 23:52 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-08 18:26 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 13:14 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-08 22:42 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 21:57 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 06:14 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 07:52 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 18:31 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 13:00 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 20:34 +0000
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-08 01:22 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <u7qegbdl995jc6lta3tia1ut8sf2hnvbh2@4ax.com> |
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jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>>In sci.physics Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote:
>>>> For your reference, records indicate that
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> As Antarctica has never had any colonies, Antarctica is irrelevant to
>>>>> a discussion of colonies.
>>>>
>>>> And yet *you* were the one who brought it up. It?s always fun to see
>>>> people attacking their own straw man arguments! :-)
>>>>
>>>>> So just what are the natural resources available on Mars?
>>>>
>>>> All the ones we know about, and all the ones we *dont yet* know about.
>>>> The main problem with your thinking is that you seem to use Earth-
>>>> centric thinking when evaluating the resources that are available.
>>>
>>>I use economic thinking.
>>>
>>
>> No, you don't. Where did you get your degree in economics. They
>> should take it back.
>>
>>>
>>>It is well known that there is lots of gold in sea water but it costs
>>>far more to extract than the gold is worth.
>>>
>>
>> Wrong. It's just that the same amount of money applied elsewhere gets
>> you more gold. And you claim to be engaging in 'economic thinking'?
>> You don't know the meaning of the phrase!
>
>Nope, the extraction cost exceeds the value.
>
OK, I'll give you that one (at current prices).
>>>>> There are no forests, no lakes, no rivers, no life and no air.
>>>>
>>>> You seem to have more knowledge than NASA on those things. How is that?
>>>
>>>When did NASA announce there are forests, lakes, rivers, life, and
>>>air anywhere else than Earth?
>>>
>>
>> They've announced there's free flowing water on Mars, water vapour in
>> the atmosphere, underground ices. You insist there aren't.
>
>That is not the same thing as forests, lakes and rivers, i.e. things
>you can stick a bucket in and fill it with drinkable water.
>
Who said anything about "forests, lakes and rivers"? You said
(elsewhere) that subsurface ices were unproven and only MIGHT exist.
>>>>> I would say the odds of finding limestone deposits to make cement
>>>>> highly unlikely. You do know limestone is organically created, don't
>>>>> you?
>>>>
>>>> You do know that civilizations have been built without relying on
>>>> limestone, dont you?
>>>
>>>Yep, but modern civilizations are built with concrete and steel; before
>>>that it was wood.
>>>
>>
>> Haven't heard of 'rocks', 'caves', and 'holes' in your neck of the
>> woods?
>
>Sure but on Earth they don't need airlocks.
>
So what?
>>>> [blathering about industrial mining snipped]
>>>>
>>>>> something usefull to build the domed and pressurized buildings
>>>>> required to survive and do anything.
>>>>
>>>> If thats how you think about what is *required* to survive, you clearly
>>>> havent thought much about the problem. These are *your* straw men.
>>>
>>>So you think you can survive on the Moon or Mars without a presurized
>>>building? Are you going to live in a pressure suit 24/7?
>>>
>>
>> So you think you can't survive on the Moon with Pittsburgh?
>
>There go those voices in your head again. You really should see
>someone about that.
>
Yet elsewhere you've said it "will take more than Pittsburgh". Do you
always lie, or is this a special topic for you?
[My experience with you is that you always lie.]
>>>>> You will be lacking just about all usefull chemicals as most of
>>>>> them come from petroleum, so no plastics.
>>>>
>>>> You do know that civilizations have been built without relying on
>>>> plastics, dont you?
>>>
>>>Not modern ones with the advanced technology required to survive off
>>>the Earth.
>>>
>>
>> Gee, something hasn't been done yet, so it is forever impossible. Back
>> to your cave, Chimp.
>
>There go those voices in your head again. You really should see
>someone about that.
>
There you go shucking and jiving again. You really should see someone
about that.
>>>>
>>>>> You miss the point, it would take Star Trek technology to make it affordable.
>>>>
>>>> I dont miss that point at all. I *made* that point when I questioned
>>>> the proposed budget. But I am also making the point that it does *not*
>>>> require magical technology if you dont make the assumption that you?re
>>>> going to live an Earth-styled life on such an inhospitable landscape.
>>>>
>>>
>>>I have been talking about colonies, i.e. families and kids.
>>>
>>>A research station requires very little in terms of infrastructure, just
>>>constant resupply.
>>>
>>
>> Wrong. You see, this is the kind of error you make when you misapply
>> 'economic thinking' from ignorance. First example, it's cheaper to
>> ship an automated rocket fuel factory to Mars to make fuel for the
>> return trip than it is to ship the fuel.
>
>Which has nothing to do with supplying those kids with diapers and
>baby bottles.
>
Colonies on Earth in the 15th Century didn't provide diapers and baby
bottles.
>> You really ought to read some of those papers I keep pointing you to.
>> It would keep you from sounding so stupidly ignorant.
>>
>>>
>>>It is my opinion that an off Earth true colony would cost far too much
>>>for anyone to ever try it and few people would be willing to permanently
>>>move to one.
>>>
>>>It is my opinion that off Earth research stations are of limited value
>>>and the cost and rewards of doing them should be balanced against sending
>>>swarms of robots throughout the solar system.
>>>
>>
>> If people aren't going, there's no point to "swarms of robots" so the
>> cost there is zero.
>
>The point to swarms of robots is scientific research.
>
So no point unless people are going.
>
>Your point seems to be you want to cozy up to a three titted hooker
>in a Martian bar just like in the movies.
>
Your point seems to be that your delusions about people are 'true'.
They aren't. You're just stupid.
--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
only stupid."
-- Heinrich Heine
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2016-04-08 18:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <s5bltc-637.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #55778 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >>>>In sci.physics Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote: >>>>> For your reference, records indicate that >>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> As Antarctica has never had any colonies, Antarctica is irrelevant to >>>>>> a discussion of colonies. >>>>> >>>>> And yet *you* were the one who brought it up. It?s always fun to see >>>>> people attacking their own straw man arguments! :-) >>>>> >>>>>> So just what are the natural resources available on Mars? >>>>> >>>>> All the ones we know about, and all the ones we *dont yet* know about. >>>>> The main problem with your thinking is that you seem to use Earth- >>>>> centric thinking when evaluating the resources that are available. >>>> >>>>I use economic thinking. >>>> >>> >>> No, you don't. Where did you get your degree in economics. They >>> should take it back. >>> >>>> >>>>It is well known that there is lots of gold in sea water but it costs >>>>far more to extract than the gold is worth. >>>> >>> >>> Wrong. It's just that the same amount of money applied elsewhere gets >>> you more gold. And you claim to be engaging in 'economic thinking'? >>> You don't know the meaning of the phrase! >> >>Nope, the extraction cost exceeds the value. >> > > OK, I'll give you that one (at current prices). And if you do find something of great value off planet, the increased supply will depress the market so that is no magic bullet either. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-08 13:19 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <9h4ggbtjnt9nghucnnnfdn1obiguq6f0o1@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #55786 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In sci.physics Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote:
>>>>>> For your reference, records indicate that
>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As Antarctica has never had any colonies, Antarctica is irrelevant to
>>>>>>> a discussion of colonies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And yet *you* were the one who brought it up. It?s always fun to see
>>>>>> people attacking their own straw man arguments! :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So just what are the natural resources available on Mars?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All the ones we know about, and all the ones we *dont yet* know about.
>>>>>> The main problem with your thinking is that you seem to use Earth-
>>>>>> centric thinking when evaluating the resources that are available.
>>>>>
>>>>>I use economic thinking.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No, you don't. Where did you get your degree in economics. They
>>>> should take it back.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>It is well known that there is lots of gold in sea water but it costs
>>>>>far more to extract than the gold is worth.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wrong. It's just that the same amount of money applied elsewhere gets
>>>> you more gold. And you claim to be engaging in 'economic thinking'?
>>>> You don't know the meaning of the phrase!
>>>
>>>Nope, the extraction cost exceeds the value.
>>>
>>
>> OK, I'll give you that one (at current prices).
>>
>
>And if you do find something of great value off planet, the increased
>supply will depress the market so that is no magic bullet either.
>
So the only source of ROI so far as you're concerned is raw materials?
That's just a little stupid, Chimp.
--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn
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| Date | 2016-04-08 23:12 +0000 |
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In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>In sci.physics Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote: >>>>>>> For your reference, records indicate that >>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As Antarctica has never had any colonies, Antarctica is irrelevant to >>>>>>>> a discussion of colonies. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And yet *you* were the one who brought it up. It?s always fun to see >>>>>>> people attacking their own straw man arguments! :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So just what are the natural resources available on Mars? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All the ones we know about, and all the ones we *dont yet* know about. >>>>>>> The main problem with your thinking is that you seem to use Earth- >>>>>>> centric thinking when evaluating the resources that are available. >>>>>> >>>>>>I use economic thinking. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> No, you don't. Where did you get your degree in economics. They >>>>> should take it back. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>It is well known that there is lots of gold in sea water but it costs >>>>>>far more to extract than the gold is worth. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Wrong. It's just that the same amount of money applied elsewhere gets >>>>> you more gold. And you claim to be engaging in 'economic thinking'? >>>>> You don't know the meaning of the phrase! >>>> >>>>Nope, the extraction cost exceeds the value. >>>> >>> >>> OK, I'll give you that one (at current prices). >>> >> >>And if you do find something of great value off planet, the increased >>supply will depress the market so that is no magic bullet either. >> > > So the only source of ROI so far as you're concerned is raw materials? > That's just a little stupid, Chimp. Nope, there is also raw stock and finished goods but I doubt Mars could compete with China. I know for sure they won't be able to compete with Japan on plywood. Martian mink fur? Martian saffron? Martian woven rugs? Don't forget shipping costs. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-08 20:24 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <466e75fd-2fc3-4780-b182-d40e062dfec3@googlegroups.com> |
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100 tons of rock on Earth contain $85 worth of precious materials. 100 tons of rock on Asteroids contain $12,844 of precious materials massing 200 grams. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/01/130122-interactive-asteroid-mining-metal-abundance/ It takes 4.5 TJ to process 100 tons of rock down to elemental form, and separate them by time of flight mass spectrometry, assuming no recovery of the energy expended. For Earth crossing asteroids it takes about 2 km/sec to impart velocity to take it back to Earth eventually. So, to send 1 kg of material back to Earth requires 2 MJ extracted from 500 tons processed, using a photonic thruster and the same solar pumped laser used to mine the material. This is a small amount of the 22.5 TJ required to process the 500 tons. To send 1 kg of material, worth $64,220 material per year back to Earth, requires 713,000 Watts of power. At 22,000 Watts per kg of solar collector, we have 32.4 kg of payload arriving at the asteroid for every kg of precious material per year over the lifetime of the equipment. So, a 32.4 ton payload retrieves 1 ton per year of precious metals worth $64,220,000 per year. Such a payload costing $64.22 million to build and launch, retrieves 100% per year over 30 years. A monumental rate of return! 208 tons of palladium. 283 tons of platinum. 67.9 tons of other rare metals. Terrestrial production is replaced with about 500 satellites of 32.4 tonnes each. http://www.indexmundi.com/en/commodities/minerals/platinum-group_metals/platinum-group_metals_t5.html Of course for each metric ton there are thousands of metric tons of other materials that will be reduced to elemental plasma, separated efficiently from the precious metal stream, and available to use reactive vapor deposition to make anything of value which can also be sent back along with the precious metals. At about 100x the rate the precious metals are returned. 500 tons of precious metals per year combined with 50,000 tons of less precious metals per year. Say, Lithium, or Beryllium. Gold, or Silver. 3,000 tons of gold each year would be awesome as would 30,000 tons of silver each year. Musk requires 50,000 tons of lithium metal each year to sustain his planned production of low cost electric vehicles. Also, with automated solar powered assembly and production applied to the materials not returned, finely crafted materials can be crafted to add value and returned - depending on their value. Akin to Swiss watches from space. Of course thousands of tons of material are also processed that cannot be returned. These are too heavy to transport, but not too heavy to process in situ! So, for every 625 tons of material, a permanent habitat might be offered to a lucky buyer. 100s of people per year might spend a few hundred thousand to find the ultimate getaway - a self sufficient homestead on a remote space colony far from the madding crowd. The cost to get there doesn't need to be that expensive, especially with reusable rockets. A 53 ton payload on orbit, translates to a 53 ton take off weight from LEO that imparts a hyperbolic excess velocity of 2 km/sec to meet up with an Earth crossing asteroid. This requires a delta vee of 3.48 km/sec. A LOX/LNG rocket with a 3.8 km/sec exhaust speed must contain 60% propellant. So that's 31.8 tons of a 53 ton payload leaving 21.2 tons of useful load and inert mass. This is enough to send 200 people to an asteroid. People are orbited in stasis, wait for the asteroid to be at the right spot, and then sent there. They arrive and land on the asteroid, and are awakened. The ship is returned filled with cargo. Houses are built to spec, ahead of time, and maintained by self replicating utility fog. http://www.nanotech-now.com/utility-fog.htm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXpkG93KzdY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3IhGZY0TCE Now with highly reusable ships, that are used 150 times, and a $61 million construction cost, we have launch costs on the order of $500,000. Dividing by 200 people across that figure that's $2,500 per person. With photonic propulsion returning products to Earth on a regular basis, people living on the asteroid can even go back and return on a regular basis. This model also works for the moon's of Mars, Diemos and Phobos, and for Mars itself. It may even work for the surface of the moon. Though higher delta vee requirements mean that costs are slightly higher and flow rates lower. A highly reusable version of the Falcon Heavy would take as little as 4 hours to recover and reuse. This translates to 6 launches per day. So, in less than 90 days, 500 Earth crossing asteroids would be up and running, each returning 1 ton of precious metals and 100s of tons of other cool stuff each year. Meanwhile, 10,000s tons each year is processed into spec built homes for 100s of people per asteroid - 50,000 people per year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Earth-crossing_minor_planets http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect/asteroids/collisions.html http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/images/geographos.html There are dozens of asteroids passing near Earth every week. So, this could happen relatively quickly. http://www.nss.org/settlement/ColoniesInSpace/colonies_chap15.html
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| From | Uncle Steve <stevet810@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-08 05:49 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <0147cfc3ba5568d-81b87@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #55764 |
On Thu, Apr 07, 2016 at 10:43:48PM -0000, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > > > >>In sci.physics Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote: > >>> For your reference, records indicate that > >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>> > >>>> As Antarctica has never had any colonies, Antarctica is irrelevant to > >>>> a discussion of colonies. > >>> > >>> And yet *you* were the one who brought it up. It?s always fun to see > >>> people attacking their own straw man arguments! :-) > >>> > >>>> So just what are the natural resources available on Mars? > >>> > >>> All the ones we know about, and all the ones we *dont yet* know about. > >>> The main problem with your thinking is that you seem to use Earth- > >>> centric thinking when evaluating the resources that are available. > >> > >>I use economic thinking. > >> > > > > No, you don't. Where did you get your degree in economics. They > > should take it back. > > > >> > >>It is well known that there is lots of gold in sea water but it costs > >>far more to extract than the gold is worth. > >> > > > > Wrong. It's just that the same amount of money applied elsewhere gets > > you more gold. And you claim to be engaging in 'economic thinking'? > > You don't know the meaning of the phrase! > > Nope, the extraction cost exceeds the value. > > >>>> There are no forests, no lakes, no rivers, no life and no air. > >>> > >>> You seem to have more knowledge than NASA on those things. How is that? > >> > >>When did NASA announce there are forests, lakes, rivers, life, and > >>air anywhere else than Earth? > >> > > > > They've announced there's free flowing water on Mars, water vapour in > > the atmosphere, underground ices. You insist there aren't. > > That is not the same thing as forests, lakes and rivers, i.e. things > you can stick a bucket in and fill it with drinkable water. > > >>>> I would say the odds of finding limestone deposits to make cement > >>>> highly unlikely. You do know limestone is organically created, don't > >>>> you? > >>> > >>> You do know that civilizations have been built without relying on > >>> limestone, dont you? > >> > >>Yep, but modern civilizations are built with concrete and steel; before > >>that it was wood. > >> > > > > Haven't heard of 'rocks', 'caves', and 'holes' in your neck of the > > woods? > > Sure but on Earth they don't need airlocks. > > >>> [blathering about industrial mining snipped] > >>> > >>>> something usefull to build the domed and pressurized buildings > >>>> required to survive and do anything. > >>> > >>> If thats how you think about what is *required* to survive, you clearly > >>> havent thought much about the problem. These are *your* straw men. > >> > >>So you think you can survive on the Moon or Mars without a presurized > >>building? Are you going to live in a pressure suit 24/7? > >> > > > > So you think you can't survive on the Moon with Pittsburgh? > > There go those voices in your head again. You really should see > someone about that. > > >>>> You will be lacking just about all usefull chemicals as most of > >>>> them come from petroleum, so no plastics. > >>> > >>> You do know that civilizations have been built without relying on > >>> plastics, dont you? > >> > >>Not modern ones with the advanced technology required to survive off > >>the Earth. > >> > > > > Gee, something hasn't been done yet, so it is forever impossible. Back > > to your cave, Chimp. > > There go those voices in your head again. You really should see > someone about that. > > >>> > >>>> You miss the point, it would take Star Trek technology to make it affordable. > >>> > >>> I dont miss that point at all. I *made* that point when I questioned > >>> the proposed budget. But I am also making the point that it does *not* > >>> require magical technology if you dont make the assumption that you?re > >>> going to live an Earth-styled life on such an inhospitable landscape. > >>> > >> > >>I have been talking about colonies, i.e. families and kids. > >> > >>A research station requires very little in terms of infrastructure, just > >>constant resupply. > >> > > > > Wrong. You see, this is the kind of error you make when you misapply > > 'economic thinking' from ignorance. First example, it's cheaper to > > ship an automated rocket fuel factory to Mars to make fuel for the > > return trip than it is to ship the fuel. > > Which has nothing to do with supplying those kids with diapers and > baby bottles. > > > You really ought to read some of those papers I keep pointing you to. > > It would keep you from sounding so stupidly ignorant. > > > >> > >>It is my opinion that an off Earth true colony would cost far too much > >>for anyone to ever try it and few people would be willing to permanently > >>move to one. > >> > >>It is my opinion that off Earth research stations are of limited value > >>and the cost and rewards of doing them should be balanced against sending > >>swarms of robots throughout the solar system. > >> > > > > If people aren't going, there's no point to "swarms of robots" so the > > cost there is zero. > > The point to swarms of robots is scientific research. > > Your point seems to be you want to cozy up to a three titted hooker > in a Martian bar just like in the movies. Fred is more of a "what happens on Mars, stays on Mars" sort of fella. He would love an environment free from the all the stupid rules he has to follow. No lawyers, no courts, no oversight, just a wide-open horizon of possibilities as far as he can see. -- These retarded Potemkin Village newsgroups with their population of corrupt police-state collaborators and useful idiots loudly calls for a sharp neo-stalinist pogrom to rid the world of all those who knowingly participate and as well to deal with those who are ultimately responsible for creating it.
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| From | William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-08 23:09 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <098fd0ed-cf43-4634-92c2-602fdf880508@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #55832 |
On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 5:03:29 PM UTC+12, Uncle Steve wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 07, 2016 at 10:43:48PM -0000, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> > In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> > >
> > >>In sci.physics Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote:
> > >>> For your reference, records indicate that
> > >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> As Antarctica has never had any colonies, Antarctica is irrelevant to
> > >>>> a discussion of colonies.
> > >>>
> > >>> And yet *you* were the one who brought it up. It?s always fun to see
> > >>> people attacking their own straw man arguments! :-)
> > >>>
> > >>>> So just what are the natural resources available on Mars?
> > >>>
> > >>> All the ones we know about, and all the ones we *dont yet* know about.
> > >>> The main problem with your thinking is that you seem to use Earth-
> > >>> centric thinking when evaluating the resources that are available.
> > >>
> > >>I use economic thinking.
> > >>
> > >
> > > No, you don't. Where did you get your degree in economics. They
> > > should take it back.
> > >
> > >>
> > >>It is well known that there is lots of gold in sea water but it costs
> > >>far more to extract than the gold is worth.
> > >>
> > >
> > > Wrong. It's just that the same amount of money applied elsewhere gets
> > > you more gold. And you claim to be engaging in 'economic thinking'?
> > > You don't know the meaning of the phrase!
> >
> > Nope, the extraction cost exceeds the value.
> >
> > >>>> There are no forests, no lakes, no rivers, no life and no air.
> > >>>
> > >>> You seem to have more knowledge than NASA on those things. How is that?
> > >>
> > >>When did NASA announce there are forests, lakes, rivers, life, and
> > >>air anywhere else than Earth?
> > >>
> > >
> > > They've announced there's free flowing water on Mars, water vapour in
> > > the atmosphere, underground ices. You insist there aren't.
> >
> > That is not the same thing as forests, lakes and rivers, i.e. things
> > you can stick a bucket in and fill it with drinkable water.
> >
> > >>>> I would say the odds of finding limestone deposits to make cement
> > >>>> highly unlikely. You do know limestone is organically created, don't
> > >>>> you?
> > >>>
> > >>> You do know that civilizations have been built without relying on
> > >>> limestone, dont you?
> > >>
> > >>Yep, but modern civilizations are built with concrete and steel; before
> > >>that it was wood.
> > >>
> > >
> > > Haven't heard of 'rocks', 'caves', and 'holes' in your neck of the
> > > woods?
> >
> > Sure but on Earth they don't need airlocks.
> >
> > >>> [blathering about industrial mining snipped]
> > >>>
> > >>>> something usefull to build the domed and pressurized buildings
> > >>>> required to survive and do anything.
> > >>>
> > >>> If thats how you think about what is *required* to survive, you clearly
> > >>> havent thought much about the problem. These are *your* straw men.
> > >>
> > >>So you think you can survive on the Moon or Mars without a presurized
> > >>building? Are you going to live in a pressure suit 24/7?
> > >>
> > >
> > > So you think you can't survive on the Moon with Pittsburgh?
> >
> > There go those voices in your head again. You really should see
> > someone about that.
> >
> > >>>> You will be lacking just about all usefull chemicals as most of
> > >>>> them come from petroleum, so no plastics.
> > >>>
> > >>> You do know that civilizations have been built without relying on
> > >>> plastics, dont you?
> > >>
> > >>Not modern ones with the advanced technology required to survive off
> > >>the Earth.
> > >>
> > >
> > > Gee, something hasn't been done yet, so it is forever impossible. Back
> > > to your cave, Chimp.
> >
> > There go those voices in your head again. You really should see
> > someone about that.
> >
> > >>>
> > >>>> You miss the point, it would take Star Trek technology to make it affordable.
> > >>>
> > >>> I dont miss that point at all. I *made* that point when I questioned
> > >>> the proposed budget. But I am also making the point that it does *not*
> > >>> require magical technology if you dont make the assumption that you?re
> > >>> going to live an Earth-styled life on such an inhospitable landscape.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>I have been talking about colonies, i.e. families and kids.
> > >>
> > >>A research station requires very little in terms of infrastructure, just
> > >>constant resupply.
> > >>
> > >
> > > Wrong. You see, this is the kind of error you make when you misapply
> > > 'economic thinking' from ignorance. First example, it's cheaper to
> > > ship an automated rocket fuel factory to Mars to make fuel for the
> > > return trip than it is to ship the fuel.
> >
> > Which has nothing to do with supplying those kids with diapers and
> > baby bottles.
> >
> > > You really ought to read some of those papers I keep pointing you to.
> > > It would keep you from sounding so stupidly ignorant.
> > >
> > >>
> > >>It is my opinion that an off Earth true colony would cost far too much
> > >>for anyone to ever try it and few people would be willing to permanently
> > >>move to one.
> > >>
> > >>It is my opinion that off Earth research stations are of limited value
> > >>and the cost and rewards of doing them should be balanced against sending
> > >>swarms of robots throughout the solar system.
> > >>
> > >
> > > If people aren't going, there's no point to "swarms of robots" so the
> > > cost there is zero.
> >
> > The point to swarms of robots is scientific research.
> >
> > Your point seems to be you want to cozy up to a three titted hooker
> > in a Martian bar just like in the movies.
>
> Fred is more of a "what happens on Mars, stays on Mars" sort of fella.
> He would love an environment free from the all the stupid rules he has
> to follow. No lawyers, no courts, no oversight, just a wide-open
> horizon of possibilities as far as he can see.
>
>
>
> --
> These retarded Potemkin Village newsgroups with their population of
> corrupt police-state collaborators and useful idiots loudly calls for
> a sharp neo-stalinist pogrom to rid the world of all those who
> knowingly participate and as well to deal with those who are
> ultimately responsible for creating it.
Long duration biosuits, with a capacity to hold its occupant in stasis, and allow survival for up to 30 days, when combined with a small quantity of self replicating machine systems, open the solar system to the adventurous. Total mass, 150 kg for the average adult male, whose body weight is half this total. A total mass of 225 kg.
Earth's semimajor axis is 1.000 AU and it takes 1.000 years to orbit the sun. 29.76 km/sec. Its escape velocity is 11.19 km/sec.
Mars semimajor axis is 1.524 AU and it takes 1.881 years to orbit the sun. 23.11 km/sec. Its escape velocity is 5.03 km/sec.
Hohman transfer orbit - (1.000 + 1.524) / 2 = 1.262 AU semimajor axis. 1.418 years to orbit. 0.709 years (259 days) to traverse from perihelion at Earth orbit to apohelion at Mars orbit.
The Vis-Viva equation gives us the speed of an object at a particular distance from the sun, knowing its semimajor axis.
r = 1.000
a = 1.262
V = sqrt( 2/r - 1/a ) = sqrt( 2 - 1/1.262) = 1.09891
Multiplying by 29.76 km/sec this is 32.70 km/sec a difference of 2.94 km/sec. To blast off the surface of Earth with this excess velocity requires
V = sqrt( 11.19^2 + 2.94^2 ) = 11.57 km/sec. Accelerating against gravity and air drag adds another 1.4 km/sec to the delta vee required. So, this is a total of 12.97 km/sec.
Now a chemical rocket using LOX/LNG propellant has an exhaust velocity of 3.8 km/sec. Dividing 12.97 by four stages, obtains a speed per stage, all stages being equal in their capacity of 3.25 km/sec. So, each stage has a propellant fraction of 0.5749 - and an inert fraction of 0.4251 while 8% of the propellant weight is allocated to tankage and rockets, so they constitute 0.0460 of the total weight leaving 0.3791 fraction for useful load.
So, starting with 225 kg we have the following for four stages;
225.00 inert propellant
593.51 27.30 341.21
1565.58 72.01 900.06
4129.73 189.96 2374.18
10893.50 501.10 6262.67
http://global.jaxa.jp/projects/engineering/components/lng/index.html
http://enu.kz/repository/2009/AIAA-2009-5138.pdf
WIth a 3.8 to 1.00 Oxygen Fuel ratio, and LOX density 1.14 kg/litre whilst LNG is 0.464 kg/litre we have 0.875 kg/litre. So, three tanks, 1 meter in diameter and 5.65 meters long (3.28 ft x 18.5 ft) each mass 190 kg and carry 3,131.33 kg of propellant. These take off and are recovered at the launch center. Tow outboard boosters fire first, and then the central booster.
The fourth stage is a 907 mm diameter sphere attached to the suit. The third stage is a 1000 mm diameter tank that's 1644 mm long - attached to the suit as well. These tanks supply MEMS based suit propulsion which accelerates the astronaut to the desired escape speed in the desired direction.
Once that speed is attained, the astronaut is put into stasis for the 296 day duration of the trip.
https://labs.fhcrc.org/roth/
A day before arrival, the astronaut is awakened and goes through a series of exercises. He/she then maneuvers to enter the Martian atmosphere, and lands using the last bit of propellant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q971MCu8MyY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JjCS2uciXo
Once on the surface of Mars, the astronaut then releases 5 kg of self replicating utility fog. The landing location is chosen to be in the morning, and over a 12 hour period the machine cells use atmospheric carbon dioxide and water found in the soil to double their mass every 30 minutes - 24 doubling periods - which increase their mass from 5 kg to 83,866 tons. This forms a temporary shelter, as the self replicating robot swarms begin processing soil in addition to air.
To return to Earth requires only the second and third stage mounted in line as a single central rocket with an upper stage. Which is made by the self replicating utility fog the astronaut brought along.
Another 5 kg are animal and plant cells from over 2000 varieties - which are cultivated in machinery built by the utility fog. These cells replicate every 33 hours or less. They are harvested and used to recharge the storage unit. They are then continually harvested to provide food, textiles, leathers, wood, paper and natural drugs and ointments and any other organic products for the astronaut. The cells are harvested, glued together with organic glues, seasoned, cooked, and assembled in a 3D food printer, or a 3D fabric printer or a 3D product printer - which is really the same device. Rather than conventional printers of this day, these printers are in spider like print heads that work in fog like swarms to rapidly produce any product on demand.
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2016-04-09 06:26 +0000 |
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In sci.physics Uncle Steve <stevet810@gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Apr 07, 2016 at 10:43:48PM -0000, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >> Your point seems to be you want to cozy up to a three titted hooker >> in a Martian bar just like in the movies. > > Fred is more of a "what happens on Mars, stays on Mars" sort of fella. > He would love an environment free from the all the stupid rules he has > to follow. No lawyers, no courts, no oversight, just a wide-open > horizon of possibilities as far as he can see. In a setting where a multitude of high tech systems needs to be constantly monitored and maintained to survive more than a few minutes, I think the societal structure would be more like a miltary post than a hippy love in. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-09 08:05 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <6a6igb91mre70lp1to9u8lkianm8igq6ve@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #55842 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >In sci.physics Uncle Steve <stevet810@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Thu, Apr 07, 2016 at 10:43:48PM -0000, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > > >>> Your point seems to be you want to cozy up to a three titted hooker >>> in a Martian bar just like in the movies. >> >> Fred is more of a "what happens on Mars, stays on Mars" sort of fella. >> He would love an environment free from the all the stupid rules he has >> to follow. No lawyers, no courts, no oversight, just a wide-open >> horizon of possibilities as far as he can see. > >In a setting where a multitude of high tech systems needs to be constantly >monitored and maintained to survive more than a few minutes, I think the >societal structure would be more like a miltary post than a hippy love in. > So you think our current society, where a multitude of high tech systems needs to be constantly monitored and maintained to survive more than a few minutes, has a societal structure like a military post? Wow. Just wow. It's funny that a known lunatic like Uncle Steve (and I mean that just like it sounds; he actually is mentally ill) spews some delusion and you pick right up on it and act like it's fact, but when confronted with facts you insist they're not true. Trudge on back to your cave, Chimp... -- You are What you do When it counts.
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2016-04-09 18:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <5ovntc-2gf.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #55851 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Uncle Steve <stevet810@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On Thu, Apr 07, 2016 at 10:43:48PM -0000, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >> >> >>>> Your point seems to be you want to cozy up to a three titted hooker >>>> in a Martian bar just like in the movies. >>> >>> Fred is more of a "what happens on Mars, stays on Mars" sort of fella. >>> He would love an environment free from the all the stupid rules he has >>> to follow. No lawyers, no courts, no oversight, just a wide-open >>> horizon of possibilities as far as he can see. >> >>In a setting where a multitude of high tech systems needs to be constantly >>monitored and maintained to survive more than a few minutes, I think the >>societal structure would be more like a miltary post than a hippy love in. >> > > So you think our current society, where a multitude of high tech > systems needs to be constantly monitored and maintained to survive > more than a few minutes, has a societal structure like a military > post? Wow. Just wow. Last I looked there was a more than adequate supply of air on Earth, space cadet. Or are you one of those people that can't survive more than a few minutes without their iPhone? > It's funny that a known lunatic like Uncle Steve (and I mean that just > like it sounds; he actually is mentally ill) spews some delusion and > you pick right up on it and act like it's fact, but when confronted > with facts you insist they're not true. I never heard of Uncle Steve unless you are talking about the character Steve Martin plays in his comedy act. > Trudge on back to your cave, Chimp... Again, hangar, no cave space cadet. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-09 13:10 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <n5oigbdgu7qh7j8jj8t4to3vmk4hh3qlll@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #55870 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>>In sci.physics Uncle Steve <stevet810@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, Apr 07, 2016 at 10:43:48PM -0000, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Your point seems to be you want to cozy up to a three titted hooker
>>>>> in a Martian bar just like in the movies.
>>>>
>>>> Fred is more of a "what happens on Mars, stays on Mars" sort of fella.
>>>> He would love an environment free from the all the stupid rules he has
>>>> to follow. No lawyers, no courts, no oversight, just a wide-open
>>>> horizon of possibilities as far as he can see.
>>>
>>>In a setting where a multitude of high tech systems needs to be constantly
>>>monitored and maintained to survive more than a few minutes, I think the
>>>societal structure would be more like a miltary post than a hippy love in.
>>>
>>
>> So you think our current society, where a multitude of high tech
>> systems needs to be constantly monitored and maintained to survive
>> more than a few minutes, has a societal structure like a military
>> post? Wow. Just wow.
>
>Last I looked there was a more than adequate supply of air on Earth,
>space cadet.
>
>Or are you one of those people that can't survive more than a few minutes
>without their iPhone?
>
Water goes down. What do you do? Without outside supply you have
less than a day before you die of dehydration.
Food into New York City goes down. What do you do? Without resupply
you have a week before you starve to death.
Rule of thumb, bucko. Six minutes without air, six hours without
water, six days without food...
[You can last longer under specialized conditions.]
>> It's funny that a known lunatic like Uncle Steve (and I mean that just
>> like it sounds; he actually is mentally ill) spews some delusion and
>> you pick right up on it and act like it's fact, but when confronted
>> with facts you insist they're not true.
>
>I never heard of Uncle Steve unless you are talking about the character
>Steve Martin plays in his comedy act.
>
>> Trudge on back to your cave, Chimp...
>
>Again, hangar, no cave space cadet.
>
Again, a century ago you'd be railing against airplanes, Chimp.
--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
only stupid."
-- Heinrich Heine
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-09 21:03 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ua7otc-q7g.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #55882 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >>>>In sci.physics Uncle Steve <stevet810@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> On Thu, Apr 07, 2016 at 10:43:48PM -0000, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Your point seems to be you want to cozy up to a three titted hooker >>>>>> in a Martian bar just like in the movies. >>>>> >>>>> Fred is more of a "what happens on Mars, stays on Mars" sort of fella. >>>>> He would love an environment free from the all the stupid rules he has >>>>> to follow. No lawyers, no courts, no oversight, just a wide-open >>>>> horizon of possibilities as far as he can see. >>>> >>>>In a setting where a multitude of high tech systems needs to be constantly >>>>monitored and maintained to survive more than a few minutes, I think the >>>>societal structure would be more like a miltary post than a hippy love in. >>>> >>> >>> So you think our current society, where a multitude of high tech >>> systems needs to be constantly monitored and maintained to survive >>> more than a few minutes, has a societal structure like a military >>> post? Wow. Just wow. >> >>Last I looked there was a more than adequate supply of air on Earth, >>space cadet. >> >>Or are you one of those people that can't survive more than a few minutes >>without their iPhone? >> > > Water goes down. What do you do? Without outside supply you have > less than a day before you die of dehydration. Nope. I see you also know nothing about human survival. The rule of thumb is 3,3,3. That is the normal healthy adult under average conditions dies after 3 minutes without air, 3 days without water and 3 months without food. > Food into New York City goes down. What do you do? Without resupply > you have a week before you starve to death. Nope, a couple of months. > Rule of thumb, bucko. Six minutes without air, six hours without > water, six days without food... Absolutely wrong; see above. Like I have said before, you know little about the human condition. How long could a farmer in colonial America go without utilities and resupply? Years. > [You can last longer under specialized conditions.] > >>> It's funny that a known lunatic like Uncle Steve (and I mean that just >>> like it sounds; he actually is mentally ill) spews some delusion and >>> you pick right up on it and act like it's fact, but when confronted >>> with facts you insist they're not true. >> >>I never heard of Uncle Steve unless you are talking about the character >>Steve Martin plays in his comedy act. >> >>> Trudge on back to your cave, Chimp... >> >>Again, hangar, no cave space cadet. >> > > Again, a century ago you'd be railing against airplanes, Chimp. Again, a century ago I'd be building airplanes and making a profit at it. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-09 20:11 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <esgjgb9fulmlrvk9pie2u0agmgrr97kle2@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #55897 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>How long could a farmer in colonial America go without utilities and
>resupply?
>
>Years.
>
Nope. Well, if he was well supplied to start. Same is true on Mars,
by the way.
>
>> [You can last longer under specialized conditions.]
>>
>>>> It's funny that a known lunatic like Uncle Steve (and I mean that just
>>>> like it sounds; he actually is mentally ill) spews some delusion and
>>>> you pick right up on it and act like it's fact, but when confronted
>>>> with facts you insist they're not true.
>>>
>>>I never heard of Uncle Steve unless you are talking about the character
>>>Steve Martin plays in his comedy act.
>>>
I'm talking about the guy you were responding to. Is this why you're
so confused? You think everyone on the internet but you is all the
same person?
>>>> Trudge on back to your cave, Chimp...
>>>
>>>Again, hangar, no cave space cadet.
>>>
>>
>> Again, a century ago you'd be railing against airplanes, Chimp.
>
>Again, a century ago I'd be building airplanes and making a profit at it.
>
Bullshit. You have great 20/20 hindsight, which I guess isn't
surprising, what with your head up your ass like that and all. Your
foresight, on the other hand, is pretty much nonexistent. I guess
your stomach gets in the way.
Back to your cave, chimp.
--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
only stupid."
-- Heinrich Heine
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-10 06:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <i48ptc-3mj.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #55916 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>How long could a farmer in colonial America go without utilities and >>resupply? >> >>Years. >> > > Nope. Well, if he was well supplied to start. Same is true on Mars, > by the way. Nope, farming communities by definition are pretty self sufficient and have been since antiquity. Just what supplies do you think a farmer needs? >>> [You can last longer under specialized conditions.] >>> >>>>> It's funny that a known lunatic like Uncle Steve (and I mean that just >>>>> like it sounds; he actually is mentally ill) spews some delusion and >>>>> you pick right up on it and act like it's fact, but when confronted >>>>> with facts you insist they're not true. >>>> >>>>I never heard of Uncle Steve unless you are talking about the character >>>>Steve Martin plays in his comedy act. >>>> > > I'm talking about the guy you were responding to. Is this why you're > so confused? You think everyone on the internet but you is all the > same person? In looking through the headers I see no one calling themselve Uncle Steve. > >>>>> Trudge on back to your cave, Chimp... >>>> >>>>Again, hangar, no cave space cadet. >>>> >>> >>> Again, a century ago you'd be railing against airplanes, Chimp. >> >>Again, a century ago I'd be building airplanes and making a profit at it. >> > > Bullshit. You have great 20/20 hindsight, which I guess isn't > surprising, what with your head up your ass like that and all. Your > foresight, on the other hand, is pretty much nonexistent. I guess > your stomach gets in the way. > > Back to your cave, chimp. Fuck off and die, silly space cadet. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-10 06:50 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <gcmkgb1c69c6sd4qfo143l3b03gg2e87bi@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #55928 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>>How long could a farmer in colonial America go without utilities and
>>>resupply?
>>>
>>>Years.
>>>
>>
>> Nope. Well, if he was well supplied to start. Same is true on Mars,
>> by the way.
>
>Nope, farming communities by definition are pretty self sufficient and have
>been since antiquity.
>
>Just what supplies do you think a farmer needs?
>
Axes, knives, plow blades, other manufactured goods, textiles, .....
>
>>>> [You can last longer under specialized conditions.]
>>>>
>>>>>> It's funny that a known lunatic like Uncle Steve (and I mean that just
>>>>>> like it sounds; he actually is mentally ill) spews some delusion and
>>>>>> you pick right up on it and act like it's fact, but when confronted
>>>>>> with facts you insist they're not true.
>>>>>
>>>>>I never heard of Uncle Steve unless you are talking about the character
>>>>>Steve Martin plays in his comedy act.
>>>>>
>>
>> I'm talking about the guy you were responding to. Is this why you're
>> so confused? You think everyone on the internet but you is all the
>> same person?
>
>In looking through the headers I see no one calling themselve Uncle Steve.
>
So you're stupid, then. It was right there. Do I really need to sort
back through it and rub your nose in it?
>
>>
>>>>>> Trudge on back to your cave, Chimp...
>>>>>
>>>>>Again, hangar, no cave space cadet.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Again, a century ago you'd be railing against airplanes, Chimp.
>>>
>>>Again, a century ago I'd be building airplanes and making a profit at it.
>>>
>>
>> Bullshit. You have great 20/20 hindsight, which I guess isn't
>> surprising, what with your head up your ass like that and all. Your
>> foresight, on the other hand, is pretty much nonexistent. I guess
>> your stomach gets in the way.
>>
>> Back to your cave, chimp.
>
>
>Fuck off and die, silly space cadet.
>
Come make me, chimp. Now that you've threatened my life and me being
the easily frightened person that I am, I have no choice but to assume
you are a threat to my life and health...
--
"You take the lies out of him, and he'll shrink to the size of
your hat; you take the malice out of him, and he'll disappear."
-- Mark Twain
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-10 16:49 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vpcqtc-6hn.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #55932 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >>>>How long could a farmer in colonial America go without utilities and >>>>resupply? >>>> >>>>Years. >>>> >>> >>> Nope. Well, if he was well supplied to start. Same is true on Mars, >>> by the way. >> >>Nope, farming communities by definition are pretty self sufficient and have >>been since antiquity. >> >>Just what supplies do you think a farmer needs? >> > > Axes, knives, plow blades, other manufactured goods, textiles, ..... > >> >>>>> [You can last longer under specialized conditions.] >>>>> >>>>>>> It's funny that a known lunatic like Uncle Steve (and I mean that just >>>>>>> like it sounds; he actually is mentally ill) spews some delusion and >>>>>>> you pick right up on it and act like it's fact, but when confronted >>>>>>> with facts you insist they're not true. >>>>>> >>>>>>I never heard of Uncle Steve unless you are talking about the character >>>>>>Steve Martin plays in his comedy act. >>>>>> >>> >>> I'm talking about the guy you were responding to. Is this why you're >>> so confused? You think everyone on the internet but you is all the >>> same person? >> >>In looking through the headers I see no one calling themselve Uncle Steve. >> > > So you're stupid, then. It was right there. Do I really need to sort > back through it and rub your nose in it? My newsreader shows what the poster uses as a name. You show up as Fred J. McCall; no Uncle Steve. >>>>>>> Trudge on back to your cave, Chimp... >>>>>> >>>>>>Again, hangar, no cave space cadet. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Again, a century ago you'd be railing against airplanes, Chimp. >>>> >>>>Again, a century ago I'd be building airplanes and making a profit at it. >>>> >>> >>> Bullshit. You have great 20/20 hindsight, which I guess isn't >>> surprising, what with your head up your ass like that and all. Your >>> foresight, on the other hand, is pretty much nonexistent. I guess >>> your stomach gets in the way. >>> >>> Back to your cave, chimp. >> >> >>Fuck off and die, silly space cadet. >> > > Come make me, chimp. Now that you've threatened my life and me being > the easily frightened person that I am, I have no choice but to assume > you are a threat to my life and health... You really are a moron space cadet if you think that is a threat. So run to the cops and tell them someone told you to fuck off and die because you are an insulting ass hole. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-10 16:16 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <rinlgbh97l40rfatuu84146oaclgrfpmoa@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #55943 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>How long could a farmer in colonial America go without utilities and
>>>>>resupply?
>>>>>
>>>>>Years.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nope. Well, if he was well supplied to start. Same is true on Mars,
>>>> by the way.
>>>
>>>Nope, farming communities by definition are pretty self sufficient and have
>>>been since antiquity.
>>>
>>>Just what supplies do you think a farmer needs?
>>>
>>
>> Axes, knives, plow blades, other manufactured goods, textiles, .....
>>
>>>
>>>>>> [You can last longer under specialized conditions.]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's funny that a known lunatic like Uncle Steve (and I mean that just
>>>>>>>> like it sounds; he actually is mentally ill) spews some delusion and
>>>>>>>> you pick right up on it and act like it's fact, but when confronted
>>>>>>>> with facts you insist they're not true.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I never heard of Uncle Steve unless you are talking about the character
>>>>>>>Steve Martin plays in his comedy act.
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm talking about the guy you were responding to. Is this why you're
>>>> so confused? You think everyone on the internet but you is all the
>>>> same person?
>>>
>>>In looking through the headers I see no one calling themselve Uncle Steve.
>>>
>>
>> So you're stupid, then. It was right there. Do I really need to sort
>> back through it and rub your nose in it?
>
>My newsreader shows what the poster uses as a name.
>
You should pay more attention to it.
>
>You show up as Fred J. McCall; no Uncle Steve.
>
Yes, I do, because I'm not Uncle Steve. That's the POINT, you
dipshit.
>>>>>>>> Trudge on back to your cave, Chimp...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Again, hangar, no cave space cadet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Again, a century ago you'd be railing against airplanes, Chimp.
>>>>>
>>>>>Again, a century ago I'd be building airplanes and making a profit at it.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit. You have great 20/20 hindsight, which I guess isn't
>>>> surprising, what with your head up your ass like that and all. Your
>>>> foresight, on the other hand, is pretty much nonexistent. I guess
>>>> your stomach gets in the way.
>>>>
>>>> Back to your cave, chimp.
>>>
>>>
>>>Fuck off and die, silly space cadet.
>>>
>>
>> Come make me, chimp. Now that you've threatened my life and me being
>> the easily frightened person that I am, I have no choice but to assume
>> you are a threat to my life and health...
>
>You really are a moron space cadet if you think that is a threat.
>
>So run to the cops and tell them someone told you to fuck off and die
>because you are an insulting ass hole.
>
And you're too stupid to even get the point. Perhaps someone else
will explain it to you.
--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-11 01:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <dcartc-9iq.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #55957 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>How long could a farmer in colonial America go without utilities and >>>>>>resupply? >>>>>> >>>>>>Years. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Nope. Well, if he was well supplied to start. Same is true on Mars, >>>>> by the way. >>>> >>>>Nope, farming communities by definition are pretty self sufficient and have >>>>been since antiquity. >>>> >>>>Just what supplies do you think a farmer needs? >>>> >>> >>> Axes, knives, plow blades, other manufactured goods, textiles, ..... >>> >>>> >>>>>>> [You can last longer under specialized conditions.] >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It's funny that a known lunatic like Uncle Steve (and I mean that just >>>>>>>>> like it sounds; he actually is mentally ill) spews some delusion and >>>>>>>>> you pick right up on it and act like it's fact, but when confronted >>>>>>>>> with facts you insist they're not true. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I never heard of Uncle Steve unless you are talking about the character >>>>>>>>Steve Martin plays in his comedy act. >>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'm talking about the guy you were responding to. Is this why you're >>>>> so confused? You think everyone on the internet but you is all the >>>>> same person? >>>> >>>>In looking through the headers I see no one calling themselve Uncle Steve. >>>> >>> >>> So you're stupid, then. It was right there. Do I really need to sort >>> back through it and rub your nose in it? >> >>My newsreader shows what the poster uses as a name. >> > > You should pay more attention to it. > >> >>You show up as Fred J. McCall; no Uncle Steve. >> > > Yes, I do, because I'm not Uncle Steve. That's the POINT, you > dipshit. The point, space cadet fool, is that my newsreader does NOT show any poster in this thread as Uncle Steve no matter how much you stomp your feet. >>>>>>>>> Trudge on back to your cave, Chimp... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Again, hangar, no cave space cadet. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Again, a century ago you'd be railing against airplanes, Chimp. >>>>>> >>>>>>Again, a century ago I'd be building airplanes and making a profit at it. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Bullshit. You have great 20/20 hindsight, which I guess isn't >>>>> surprising, what with your head up your ass like that and all. Your >>>>> foresight, on the other hand, is pretty much nonexistent. I guess >>>>> your stomach gets in the way. >>>>> >>>>> Back to your cave, chimp. >>>> >>>> >>>>Fuck off and die, silly space cadet. >>>> >>> >>> Come make me, chimp. Now that you've threatened my life and me being >>> the easily frightened person that I am, I have no choice but to assume >>> you are a threat to my life and health... >> >>You really are a moron space cadet if you think that is a threat. >> >>So run to the cops and tell them someone told you to fuck off and die >>because you are an insulting ass hole. >> > > And you're too stupid to even get the point. Perhaps someone else > will explain it to you. Fuck off and die, silly space cadet. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-10 20:26 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <a76mgbt8memmedpl8r5pehihp98n6t28r4@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #55964 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>How long could a farmer in colonial America go without utilities and
>>>>>>>resupply?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope. Well, if he was well supplied to start. Same is true on Mars,
>>>>>> by the way.
>>>>>
>>>>>Nope, farming communities by definition are pretty self sufficient and have
>>>>>been since antiquity.
>>>>>
>>>>>Just what supplies do you think a farmer needs?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Axes, knives, plow blades, other manufactured goods, textiles, .....
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [You can last longer under specialized conditions.]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's funny that a known lunatic like Uncle Steve (and I mean that just
>>>>>>>>>> like it sounds; he actually is mentally ill) spews some delusion and
>>>>>>>>>> you pick right up on it and act like it's fact, but when confronted
>>>>>>>>>> with facts you insist they're not true.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I never heard of Uncle Steve unless you are talking about the character
>>>>>>>>>Steve Martin plays in his comedy act.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm talking about the guy you were responding to. Is this why you're
>>>>>> so confused? You think everyone on the internet but you is all the
>>>>>> same person?
>>>>>
>>>>>In looking through the headers I see no one calling themselve Uncle Steve.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So you're stupid, then. It was right there. Do I really need to sort
>>>> back through it and rub your nose in it?
>>>
>>>My newsreader shows what the poster uses as a name.
>>>
>>
>> You should pay more attention to it.
>>
>>>
>>>You show up as Fred J. McCall; no Uncle Steve.
>>>
>>
>> Yes, I do, because I'm not Uncle Steve. That's the POINT, you
>> dipshit.
>>
>
>The point, space cadet fool, is that my newsreader does NOT show any
>poster in this thread as Uncle Steve no matter how much you stomp your
>feet.
>
The point, chimpshit drool, is that nobody said it was THIS subthread
no matter how much you stomp your feet.
>>>>>>>>>> Trudge on back to your cave, Chimp...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Again, hangar, no cave space cadet.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Again, a century ago you'd be railing against airplanes, Chimp.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Again, a century ago I'd be building airplanes and making a profit at it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bullshit. You have great 20/20 hindsight, which I guess isn't
>>>>>> surprising, what with your head up your ass like that and all. Your
>>>>>> foresight, on the other hand, is pretty much nonexistent. I guess
>>>>>> your stomach gets in the way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Back to your cave, chimp.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Fuck off and die, silly space cadet.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Come make me, chimp. Now that you've threatened my life and me being
>>>> the easily frightened person that I am, I have no choice but to assume
>>>> you are a threat to my life and health...
>>>
>>>You really are a moron space cadet if you think that is a threat.
>>>
>>>So run to the cops and tell them someone told you to fuck off and die
>>>because you are an insulting ass hole.
>>>
>>
>> And you're too stupid to even get the point. Perhaps someone else
>> will explain it to you.
>>
>
>Fuck off and die, silly space cadet.
>
Come make me, chimpshit.
--
"Der Feige droht nur, wo er sicher ist."
--Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2016-04-11 06:16 +0000 |
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| In reply to | #55972 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>How long could a farmer in colonial America go without utilities and >>>>>>>>resupply? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Years. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Nope. Well, if he was well supplied to start. Same is true on Mars, >>>>>>> by the way. >>>>>> >>>>>>Nope, farming communities by definition are pretty self sufficient and have >>>>>>been since antiquity. >>>>>> >>>>>>Just what supplies do you think a farmer needs? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Axes, knives, plow blades, other manufactured goods, textiles, ..... >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [You can last longer under specialized conditions.] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It's funny that a known lunatic like Uncle Steve (and I mean that just >>>>>>>>>>> like it sounds; he actually is mentally ill) spews some delusion and >>>>>>>>>>> you pick right up on it and act like it's fact, but when confronted >>>>>>>>>>> with facts you insist they're not true. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>I never heard of Uncle Steve unless you are talking about the character >>>>>>>>>>Steve Martin plays in his comedy act. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm talking about the guy you were responding to. Is this why you're >>>>>>> so confused? You think everyone on the internet but you is all the >>>>>>> same person? >>>>>> >>>>>>In looking through the headers I see no one calling themselve Uncle Steve. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So you're stupid, then. It was right there. Do I really need to sort >>>>> back through it and rub your nose in it? >>>> >>>>My newsreader shows what the poster uses as a name. >>>> >>> >>> You should pay more attention to it. >>> >>>> >>>>You show up as Fred J. McCall; no Uncle Steve. >>>> >>> >>> Yes, I do, because I'm not Uncle Steve. That's the POINT, you >>> dipshit. >>> >> >>The point, space cadet fool, is that my newsreader does NOT show any >>poster in this thread as Uncle Steve no matter how much you stomp your >>feet. >> > > The point, chimpshit drool, is that nobody said it was THIS subthread > no matter how much you stomp your feet. I said I looked at THIS thread and didn't see any Uncle Steve and then you went into drooling rave mode about newsreaders, space cadet. > >>>>>>>>>>> Trudge on back to your cave, Chimp... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Again, hangar, no cave space cadet. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Again, a century ago you'd be railing against airplanes, Chimp. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Again, a century ago I'd be building airplanes and making a profit at it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bullshit. You have great 20/20 hindsight, which I guess isn't >>>>>>> surprising, what with your head up your ass like that and all. Your >>>>>>> foresight, on the other hand, is pretty much nonexistent. I guess >>>>>>> your stomach gets in the way. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Back to your cave, chimp. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Fuck off and die, silly space cadet. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Come make me, chimp. Now that you've threatened my life and me being >>>>> the easily frightened person that I am, I have no choice but to assume >>>>> you are a threat to my life and health... >>>> >>>>You really are a moron space cadet if you think that is a threat. >>>> >>>>So run to the cops and tell them someone told you to fuck off and die >>>>because you are an insulting ass hole. >>>> >>> >>> And you're too stupid to even get the point. Perhaps someone else >>> will explain it to you. >>> >> >>Fuck off and die, silly space cadet. >> > > Come make me, chimpshit. You're not worth crossing the street to spit on, space cadet. -- Jim Pennino
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