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  The Bible Inc. JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> - 2026-06-17 15:51 -0400
    Re: The Bible Inc. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-17 18:12 -0400
      Re: The Bible Inc. Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> - 2026-06-18 22:15 -0500
        Re: The Bible Inc. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-19 05:28 -0400
          Re: The Bible Inc. JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 14:07 -0400
            Re: The Bible Inc. onion@anon.invalid (Mr Ön!on) - 2026-06-19 21:30 +0100
              Re: The Bible Inc. phoenix <j63840576@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 16:19 -0600
                Re: The Bible Inc. phoenix <j63840576@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 18:45 -0600
                  Re: The Bible Inc. % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 19:49 -0700
                  Re: The Bible Inc. onion@anon.invalid (Mr Ön!on) - 2026-06-20 12:40 +0100
                Re: The Bible Inc. onion@anon.invalid (Mr Ön!on) - 2026-06-20 02:14 +0100
                  Re: The Bible Inc. Tom Mix <tommix@mixmin.net> - 2026-06-22 09:57 +0000
                    Re: The Bible Inc. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-22 06:44 -0400
                      Re: The Bible Inc. "Doc Hammerslack" <dochammerslack@creon.earth> - 2026-06-22 12:03 +0000
                    Re: The Bible Inc. Axel <none@not.here> - 2026-06-22 20:52 +1000
                    Re: The Bible Inc. Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid> - 2026-06-22 16:28 -0700
                      Re: The Bible Inc. Axel <none@not.here> - 2026-06-23 18:02 +1000
                Re: The Bible Inc. % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 19:50 -0700
                  Re: The Bible Inc. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-06-19 20:58 -0600
              Re: The Bible Inc. JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 23:26 -0400
                Re: The Bible Inc. onion@anon.invalid (Mr Ön!on) - 2026-06-20 12:44 +0100
                  Re: The Bible Inc. Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> - 2026-06-21 13:02 -0500
                    Re: The Bible Inc. jojo <f00@0f0.00f> - 2026-06-21 18:52 +0000
                      Re: The Bible Inc. Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> - 2026-06-21 18:13 -0500
                    Re: The Bible Inc. onion@anon.invalid (Mr Ön!on) - 2026-06-22 01:42 +0100
                      Re: The Bible Inc. Axel <none@not.here> - 2026-06-22 19:39 +1000
                      Re: The Bible Inc. Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> - 2026-06-22 12:50 -0500
                  Re: The Bible Inc. JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> - 2026-06-23 00:27 -0400
                    Re: The Bible Inc. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-23 06:12 -0400
                      Re: The Bible Inc. JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> - 2026-06-24 10:39 -0400
                        Re: The Bible Inc. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-24 14:29 -0400
                          Re: The Bible Inc. JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> - 2026-06-26 12:19 -0400
                            Re: The Bible Inc. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-26 18:10 -0400
                        Re: The Bible Inc. Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> - 2026-06-24 16:28 -0500
                    Re: The Bible Inc. onion@anon.invalid (Mr Ön!on) - 2026-06-23 11:26 +0100
                      Re: The Bible Inc. Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> - 2026-06-23 10:07 -0500
            Re: The Bible Inc. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-20 00:57 -0400
              Re: The Bible Inc. JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> - 2026-06-23 00:20 -0400
                Re: The Bible Inc. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-23 06:17 -0400
                  Re: The Bible Inc. JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> - 2026-06-24 10:43 -0400
                    Re: The Bible Inc. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-24 14:33 -0400
                      Re: The Bible Inc. JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> - 2026-06-26 17:29 -0400
                        Re: The Bible Inc. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-26 18:17 -0400
                        Re: The Bible Inc. Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> - 2026-06-27 11:58 -0500
        Re: The Bible Inc. JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 14:03 -0400
          Re: The Bible Inc. Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> - 2026-06-20 06:49 -0500
            Re: The Bible Inc. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-20 09:09 -0400
              Re: The Bible Inc. Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> - 2026-06-20 17:50 -0500
                Re: The Bible Inc. jojo <f00@0f0.00f> - 2026-06-21 14:01 +0000
            Re: The Bible Inc. JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> - 2026-06-23 00:29 -0400
              Re: The Bible Inc. Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> - 2026-06-23 10:22 -0500
      Re: The Bible Inc. JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 14:01 -0400
        Re: The Bible Inc. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-20 01:00 -0400
          Re: The Bible Inc. JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> - 2026-06-23 00:23 -0400
            Re: The Bible Inc. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-23 06:27 -0400
              Re: The Bible Inc. Axel <none@not.here> - 2026-06-23 23:52 +1000
                Re: The Bible Inc. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-23 18:47 -0400
                  Re: The Bible Inc. onion@anon.invalid (Mr Ön!on) - 2026-06-24 00:36 +0100
                    Re: The Bible Inc. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-24 06:27 -0400
            Re: The Bible Inc. Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> - 2026-06-23 10:10 -0500
              Re: The Bible Inc. jojo <f00@0f0.00f> - 2026-06-23 17:38 +0000

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#117620

On Wed, 24 Jun 2026 10:43:43 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com>
in alt.atheism with message-id
<111gqev$333lj$2@dont-email.me> wrote:

>On 6/23/26 6:17 AM, Attila wrote:
>
>> The key word here is "believes". 
>
>Who cares?  This isn't a hypothetical. YOU "believe" a massive
>quantity of stupid shit. This was NEVER about "Belief," it
>was about contradictions -- hypocrisy.

If the item in question is a belief, so what?   A belief can
be any silly thing that can be imagined whether sane,
insane, drunk, sober, or stoned.

>
>You can keep going full-retard here or you can accept the
>fact that your reaction was totally inappropriate -- YOU
>MISSED everything!  You did NOT respond to what was being
>said.

I have yet to see anything that validates anything that was
said as being of any use at all for anything.

>
>You invented a context and then reacted to it.

I question unsupported claims and assertions.

-- 


Every person in the US is here either  
legally or illegally. Those that are 
here illegally should be afraid.  
Be very afraid.  It does not matter 
how long you have been here.  It does 
not matter why you are here. It does not 
matter what you have done legally while you 
were here. It does not matter what any 
relative may have done while you were here. 
It only matters that you are here illegally. 
It may take a day, a week, a year, or longer 
but we will find you and we will deport you. 
Be prepared.

Deport them all.

Due process:
Q. Are you here legally?  If so, where is 
the documentation to establish that?


All politicians are trained to lie
and make those lies sound like 
the truth.  They start with the biggest 
lie of all: Politicians are public
servants.

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting 
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

I support:

A Constitional Amendment establishing
the Freedom of Choice.

The elimination of public expression, 
display or support of religion or 
religious positions.

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#117624

On 6/24/26 2:33 PM, Attila wrote:

>> Who cares?  This isn't a hypothetical. YOU "believe" a massive
>> quantity of stupid shit. This was NEVER about "Belief," it
>> was about contradictions -- hypocrisy.
> 
> If the item in question is a belief, so what?   A belief can
> be any silly thing that can be imagined whether sane,
> insane, drunk, sober, or stoned.

Again, you retarded twit, there's no hypothetical here. Your
mental retardation is simply causing you to say stupid shit.

There is a bible. Many use that bible as a weapon, or as
justification if you will, to attack gay people. But...

That bible has homosexuality coming from God, in Romans 1.
So it can't be a sin.

NOTHING you've said here using ANY sock puppet has any
bearing what so ever on what you think you're reacting to.



-- 
https://jtem.tumblr.com/

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#117627

On Fri, 26 Jun 2026 17:29:29 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com>
in alt.atheism with message-id
<111mqvp$rc3o$1@dont-email.me> wrote:

>On 6/24/26 2:33 PM, Attila wrote:
>
>>> Who cares?  This isn't a hypothetical. YOU "believe" a massive
>>> quantity of stupid shit. This was NEVER about "Belief," it
>>> was about contradictions -- hypocrisy.
>> 
>> If the item in question is a belief, so what?   A belief can
>> be any silly thing that can be imagined whether sane,
>> insane, drunk, sober, or stoned.
>
>Again, you retarded twit, there's no hypothetical here. Your
>mental retardation is simply causing you to say stupid shit.

The hypothetical was not my post.

>
>There is a bible. Many use that bible as a weapon, or as
>justification if you will, to attack gay people. But...
>
>That bible has homosexuality coming from God, in Romans 1.
>So it can't be a sin.

Are you saying the bible is true?

In religion and ethics, a sin is generally defined as an
immoral act, a transgression against divine law, or a
willful rebellion against a moral standard.  Obviously the
term cannot apply to anyone who has no religion.  Moral is
an elusive term without an intrinsic definition.


>
>NOTHING you've said here using ANY sock puppet has any
>bearing what so ever on what you think you're reacting to.

All of my post are under the same screen name.

-- 


Every person in the US is here either  
legally or illegally. Those that are 
here illegally should be afraid.  
Be very afraid.  It does not matter 
how long you have been here.  It does 
not matter why you are here. It does not 
matter what you have done legally while you 
were here. It does not matter what any 
relative may have done while you were here. 
It only matters that you are here illegally. 
It may take a day, a week, a year, or longer 
but we will find you and we will deport you. 
Be prepared.

Deport them all.

Due process:
Q. Are you here legally?  If so, where is 
the documentation to establish that?


All politicians are trained to lie
and make those lies sound like 
the truth.  They start with the biggest 
lie of all: Politicians are public
servants.

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting 
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

I support:

A Constitional Amendment establishing
the Freedom of Choice.

The elimination of public expression, 
display or support of religion or 
religious positions.

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#117631

On 6/26/2026 4:29 PM, JTEM wrote:
> On 6/24/26 2:33 PM, Attila wrote:
> 
>>> Who cares?  This isn't a hypothetical. YOU "believe" a massive
>>> quantity of stupid shit. This was NEVER about "Belief," it
>>> was about contradictions -- hypocrisy.
>>
>> If the item in question is a belief, so what?   A belief can
>> be any silly thing that can be imagined whether sane,
>> insane, drunk, sober, or stoned.
> 
> Again, you retarded twit, there's no hypothetical here. Your
> mental retardation is simply causing you to say stupid shit.
> 
> There is a bible. Many use that bible as a weapon, or as
> justification if you will, to attack gay people. But...
> 
> That bible has homosexuality coming from God, in Romans 1.
> So it can't be a sin.
> 
> NOTHING you've said here using ANY sock puppet has any
> bearing what so ever on what you think you're reacting to.
> 

That's your interpretation of that passage.  There are Christian 
believers who disagree with you!  Explain why male homosexuals were 
executed throughout the Low, High and Late Middle Ages in Catholic Europe?!

Dawn

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#117570

On 6/18/26 11:15 PM, Dawn Flood wrote:

> It has no verification; 

The King James Bible has no verification so...

Damn. You are retarded.

Seriously. You are retarded.

"The bible has no verification so..."  What?

What is your position here?

You're a severely mentally ill narcissist doing
what you always do:  Try to block conversations
you can't control.



-- 
https://jtem.tumblr.com/

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#117585

On 6/19/2026 1:03 PM, JTEM wrote:
> On 6/18/26 11:15 PM, Dawn Flood wrote:
> 
>> It has no verification; 
> 
> The King James Bible has no verification so...
> 
> Damn. You are retarded.
> 
> Seriously. You are retarded.
> 
> "The bible has no verification so..."  What?
> 
> What is your position here?
> 
> You're a severely mentally ill narcissist doing
> what you always do:  Try to block conversations
> you can't control.
> 

 From your reply to Attila, you seem like you are in agreement with me.

Dawn

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#117586

On Sat, 20 Jun 2026 06:49:12 -0500, Dawn Flood
<Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<1115unn$1jsn$1@dont-email.me> wrote:

>On 6/19/2026 1:03 PM, JTEM wrote:
>> On 6/18/26 11:15 PM, Dawn Flood wrote:
>> 
>>> It has no verification; 
>> 
>> The King James Bible has no verification so...
>> 
>> Damn. You are retarded.
>> 
>> Seriously. You are retarded.
>> 
>> "The bible has no verification so..."  What?
>> 
>> What is your position here?
>> 
>> You're a severely mentally ill narcissist doing
>> what you always do:  Try to block conversations
>> you can't control.
>> 
>
> From your reply to Attila, you seem like you are in agreement with me.
>
>Dawn

Yes.  On this.

-- 


Every person in the US is here either  
legally or illegally. Those that are 
here illegally should be afraid.  
Be very afraid.  It does not matter 
how long you have been here.  It does 
not matter why you are here. It does not 
matter what you have done legally while you 
were here. It does not matter what any 
relative may have done while you were here. 
It only matters that you are here illegally. 
It may take a day, a week, a year, or longer 
but we will find you and we will deport you. 
Be prepared.

Deport them all.

Due process:
Q. Are you here legally?  If so, where is 
the documentation to establish that?


All politicians are trained to lie
and make those lies sound like 
the truth.  They start with the biggest 
lie of all: Politicians are public
servants.

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting 
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

I support:

A Constitional Amendment establishing
the Freedom of Choice.

The elimination of public expression, 
display or support of religion or 
religious positions.

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#117587

On 6/20/2026 8:09 AM, Attila wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Jun 2026 06:49:12 -0500, Dawn Flood
> <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <1115unn$1jsn$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
> 
>> On 6/19/2026 1:03 PM, JTEM wrote:
>>> On 6/18/26 11:15 PM, Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>
>>>> It has no verification;
>>>
>>> The King James Bible has no verification so...
>>>
>>> Damn. You are retarded.
>>>
>>> Seriously. You are retarded.
>>>
>>> "The bible has no verification so..."  What?
>>>
>>> What is your position here?
>>>
>>> You're a severely mentally ill narcissist doing
>>> what you always do:  Try to block conversations
>>> you can't control.
>>>
>>
>>  From your reply to Attila, you seem like you are in agreement with me.
>>
>> Dawn
> 
> Yes.  On this.
> 

Like, Wow!  We are all in agreement!!  So very sweet!!!

Dawn

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#117588

Dawn Flood wrote:
> On 6/20/2026 8:09 AM, Attila wrote:
>> On Sat, 20 Jun 2026 06:49:12 -0500, Dawn Flood
>> <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <1115unn$1jsn$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/19/2026 1:03 PM, JTEM wrote:
>>>> On 6/18/26 11:15 PM, Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It has no verification;
>>>>
>>>> The King James Bible has no verification so...
>>>>
>>>> Damn. You are retarded.
>>>>
>>>> Seriously. You are retarded.
>>>>
>>>> "The bible has no verification so..."  What?
>>>>
>>>> What is your position here?
>>>>
>>>> You're a severely mentally ill narcissist doing
>>>> what you always do:  Try to block conversations
>>>> you can't control.
>>>>
>>>
>>>  From your reply to Attila, you seem like you are in agreement 
>>> with me.
>>>
>>> Dawn
>>
>> Yes.  On this.
>>
> 
> Like, Wow!  We are all in agreement!!  So very sweet!!!
> 
> Dawn

its because of the solstice.

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#117603

On 6/20/26 7:49 AM, Dawn Flood wrote:

>  From your reply to Attila

Wait. You're "Different" retards now who only coincidentally
bark the exact same irrelevant (not to mention idiotic)
position?




-- 
https://jtem.tumblr.com/

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#117612

On 6/22/2026 11:29 PM, JTEM wrote:
> On 6/20/26 7:49 AM, Dawn Flood wrote:
> 
>>  From your reply to Attila
> 
> Wait. You're "Different" retards now who only coincidentally
> bark the exact same irrelevant (not to mention idiotic)
> position?
> 

Honey, you haven't stated a position to reply to!  I suppose that now's 
your opportunity to do so!!

Dawn

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#117569

On 6/17/26 6:12 PM, Attila wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Jun 2026 15:51:45 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com>
> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <110utsh$23vl6$3@dont-email.me> wrote:
> 
>> And you sinfully pervert the bible.
> 
> That source has no independent verification.

The King James Bible?

Well I agree:  It's utter crap!



-- 
https://jtem.tumblr.com/

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#117582

On Fri, 19 Jun 2026 14:01:46 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com>
in alt.atheism with message-id
<111406a$3gjv2$2@dont-email.me> wrote:

>On 6/17/26 6:12 PM, Attila wrote:
>> On Wed, 17 Jun 2026 15:51:45 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com>
>> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <110utsh$23vl6$3@dont-email.me> wrote:
>> 
>>> And you sinfully pervert the bible.
>> 
>> That source has no independent verification.
>
>The King James Bible?

No document can verify itself.  Verification requires
unambiguous, unrelated, verifiable and credible evidence.

>
>Well I agree:  It's utter crap!

-- 


Every person in the US is here either  
legally or illegally. Those that are 
here illegally should be afraid.  
Be very afraid.  It does not matter 
how long you have been here.  It does 
not matter why you are here. It does not 
matter what you have done legally while you 
were here. It does not matter what any 
relative may have done while you were here. 
It only matters that you are here illegally. 
It may take a day, a week, a year, or longer 
but we will find you and we will deport you. 
Be prepared.

Deport them all.

Due process:
Q. Are you here legally?  If so, where is 
the documentation to establish that?


All politicians are trained to lie
and make those lies sound like 
the truth.  They start with the biggest 
lie of all: Politicians are public
servants.

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting 
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

I support:

A Constitional Amendment establishing
the Freedom of Choice.

The elimination of public expression, 
display or support of religion or 
religious positions.

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#117601

On 6/20/26 1:00 AM, Attila wrote:

> No document can verify itself. 

And you're pretending the above is relevant to
anything I posted... how?

Because I did not post a hypothetical.

According to the bible, homosexuality is not a
sin. People who claim that the bible denounces
homosexuality as a sin are lying. They are
misrepresenting the bible.

What does that malformed brain of yours imagine
to be unverified?  The existence of the bible,
the fact that countless "Christians" claim it
as proof that homosexuality is a sin or both?



-- 
https://jtem.tumblr.com/

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#117608

On Tue, 23 Jun 2026 00:23:55 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com>
in alt.atheism with message-id
<111d1or$202uu$2@dont-email.me> wrote:

>On 6/20/26 1:00 AM, Attila wrote:
>
>> No document can verify itself. 
>
>And you're pretending the above is relevant to
>anything I posted... how?

Since the discussion has been clipped how can that be
answered?
>
>Because I did not post a hypothetical.
>
>According to the bible, homosexuality is not a
>sin. People who claim that the bible denounces
>homosexuality as a sin are lying. They are
>misrepresenting the bible.

My point is that your bible needs unambiguous, unrelated,
verifiable and credible evidence as verification if you
expect anyone to accept it as fact.  Otherwise how can
anyone know it isn't myth, fiction, lies, or a combination
of any of those?

>
>What does that malformed brain of yours imagine
>to be unverified?  The existence of the bible,
>the fact that countless "Christians" claim it
>as proof that homosexuality is a sin or both?

Sure it exists.  The question is what is it?

Anyone can claim anything.  Using an unverified source for
such a claim makes that claim useless.  

In most religious and moral contexts, sin is defined as an
immoral act, a transgression of divine law, or a willful
rebellion against a moral standard. It is often thought of
as "missing the mark" of perfection or falling short of what
is good.  But if someone does not believe in any religion
that would mean the term has no meaning as far as they are
concerned,

Additionally the term "good" has no intrinsic values and can
vary from person to person and over time.

-- 


Every person in the US is here either  
legally or illegally. Those that are 
here illegally should be afraid.  
Be very afraid.  It does not matter 
how long you have been here.  It does 
not matter why you are here. It does not 
matter what you have done legally while you 
were here. It does not matter what any 
relative may have done while you were here. 
It only matters that you are here illegally. 
It may take a day, a week, a year, or longer 
but we will find you and we will deport you. 
Be prepared.

Deport them all.

Due process:
Q. Are you here legally?  If so, where is 
the documentation to establish that?


All politicians are trained to lie
and make those lies sound like 
the truth.  They start with the biggest 
lie of all: Politicians are public
servants.

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting 
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

I support:

A Constitional Amendment establishing
the Freedom of Choice.

The elimination of public expression, 
display or support of religion or 
religious positions.

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#117609

Attila wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Jun 2026 00:23:55 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com>
> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <111d1or$202uu$2@dont-email.me> wrote:
>
>> On 6/20/26 1:00 AM, Attila wrote:
>>
>>> No document can verify itself.
>> And you're pretending the above is relevant to
>> anything I posted... how?
> Since the discussion has been clipped how can that be
> answered?
>> Because I did not post a hypothetical.
>>
>> According to the bible, homosexuality is not a
>> sin. People who claim that the bible denounces
>> homosexuality as a sin are lying. They are
>> misrepresenting the bible.
> My point is that your bible needs unambiguous, unrelated,
> verifiable and credible evidence as verification if you
> expect anyone to accept it as fact.

how does one verify 'the bible'? the bible is a collection of ancient 
texts. each would need to be assessed on it's merits.

>    Otherwise how can
> anyone know it isn't myth, fiction, lies, or a combination
> of any of those?
>


-- 
Linux Mint 22.3

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#117614

On Tue, 23 Jun 2026 23:52:56 +1000, Axel <none@not.here> in
alt.atheism with message-id
<n9vhdoFa2kcU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:

>Attila wrote:
>> On Tue, 23 Jun 2026 00:23:55 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com>
>> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <111d1or$202uu$2@dont-email.me> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/20/26 1:00 AM, Attila wrote:
>>>
>>>> No document can verify itself.
>>> And you're pretending the above is relevant to
>>> anything I posted... how?
>> Since the discussion has been clipped how can that be
>> answered?
>>> Because I did not post a hypothetical.
>>>
>>> According to the bible, homosexuality is not a
>>> sin. People who claim that the bible denounces
>>> homosexuality as a sin are lying. They are
>>> misrepresenting the bible.
>> My point is that your bible needs unambiguous, unrelated,
>> verifiable and credible evidence as verification if you
>> expect anyone to accept it as fact.
>
>how does one verify 'the bible'? the bible is a collection of ancient 
>texts. each would need to be assessed on it's merits.

Since the information in it would be considered
extraordinary any supporting evidence must be of
extraordinary quality. Every event, assertion, claim,
person, and location must be separately and independently
verified by an unambiguous, unrelated, verifiable and
credible source.

>
>>    Otherwise how can
>> anyone know it isn't myth, fiction, lies, or a combination
>> of any of those?
>>

-- 


Every person in the US is here either  
legally or illegally. Those that are 
here illegally should be afraid.  
Be very afraid.  It does not matter 
how long you have been here.  It does 
not matter why you are here. It does not 
matter what you have done legally while you 
were here. It does not matter what any 
relative may have done while you were here. 
It only matters that you are here illegally. 
It may take a day, a week, a year, or longer 
but we will find you and we will deport you. 
Be prepared.

Deport them all.

Due process:
Q. Are you here legally?  If so, where is 
the documentation to establish that?


All politicians are trained to lie
and make those lies sound like 
the truth.  They start with the biggest 
lie of all: Politicians are public
servants.

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting 
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

I support:

A Constitional Amendment establishing
the Freedom of Choice.

The elimination of public expression, 
display or support of religion or 
religious positions.

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#117615

Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
[...]
> >> My point is that your bible needs unambiguous, unrelated,
> >> verifiable and credible evidence as verification if you
> >> expect anyone to accept it as fact.
> >
> >how does one verify 'the bible'? the bible is a collection of 
> >ancient texts. each would need to be assessed on it's merits.
> 
> Since the information in it would be considered
> extraordinary any supporting evidence must be of
> extraordinary quality. Every event, assertion, claim,
> person, and location must be separately and independently
> verified by an unambiguous, unrelated, verifiable and
> credible source.
[...]

I'm looking forward to a proper explanation of miracles. 
Did they ever really happen?  How do they work, exactly?

-- 
  \|/  
(((Ï)))    -    Mr Ön!on, NPC 
 
When we shake the ketchup bottle 
At first none comes and then a lot'll.

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#117616

On Wed, 24 Jun 2026 00:36:13 +0100, onion@anon.invalid (Mr
Ön!on) in alt.atheism with message-id
<1rx6l0x.1wc2xeb1g0pwt3N%onion@anon.invalid> wrote:

>Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>[...]
>> >> My point is that your bible needs unambiguous, unrelated,
>> >> verifiable and credible evidence as verification if you
>> >> expect anyone to accept it as fact.
>> >
>> >how does one verify 'the bible'? the bible is a collection of 
>> >ancient texts. each would need to be assessed on it's merits.
>> 
>> Since the information in it would be considered
>> extraordinary any supporting evidence must be of
>> extraordinary quality. Every event, assertion, claim,
>> person, and location must be separately and independently
>> verified by an unambiguous, unrelated, verifiable and
>> credible source.
>[...]
>
>I'm looking forward to a proper explanation of miracles. 
>Did they ever really happen?  How do they work, exactly?

Why are they always something that happens to someone else
somewhere else at sometime too far in the past for any close
examination?  Who decides something actually is a "miracle"?

-- 


Every person in the US is here either  
legally or illegally. Those that are 
here illegally should be afraid.  
Be very afraid.  It does not matter 
how long you have been here.  It does 
not matter why you are here. It does not 
matter what you have done legally while you 
were here. It does not matter what any 
relative may have done while you were here. 
It only matters that you are here illegally. 
It may take a day, a week, a year, or longer 
but we will find you and we will deport you. 
Be prepared.

Deport them all.

Due process:
Q. Are you here legally?  If so, where is 
the documentation to establish that?


All politicians are trained to lie
and make those lies sound like 
the truth.  They start with the biggest 
lie of all: Politicians are public
servants.

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting 
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

I support:

A Constitional Amendment establishing
the Freedom of Choice.

The elimination of public expression, 
display or support of religion or 
religious positions.

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#117611

On 6/22/2026 11:23 PM, JTEM wrote:
> On 6/20/26 1:00 AM, Attila wrote:
> 
>> No document can verify itself. 
> 
> And you're pretending the above is relevant to
> anything I posted... how?
> 
> Because I did not post a hypothetical.
> 
> According to the bible, homosexuality is not a
> sin. People who claim that the bible denounces
> homosexuality as a sin are lying. They are
> misrepresenting the bible.
> 
> What does that malformed brain of yours imagine
> to be unverified?  The existence of the bible,
> the fact that countless "Christians" claim it
> as proof that homosexuality is a sin or both?
> 
> 
> 

Some believers disagree with you:

"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination". 
(Leviticus 18:22)

"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed 
an abomination; they shall surely be put to death". (Leviticus 20:13)

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