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  Managing a 100-percent renewable grid, without batteries Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-25 14:51 -0600
    Re: Managing a 100-percent renewable grid, without batteries jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-25 23:41 +0000
    Re: Managing a 100-percent renewable grid, without batteries gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> - 2015-11-25 23:33 -0600

#535456 — Managing a 100-percent renewable grid, without batteries

Managing a 100-percent renewable grid, without batteries
> http://arstechnica.com/science/2015/11/managing-a-100-percent-renewable-grid-without-batteries/


> Stanford researcher Mark Jacobson likes to take current thinking
> about renewable energy and supersize it. Rather than aiming for 50
> percent renewables, like California is, he has analyzed what it would
> take for each of the 50 states to go fully renewable. It would
> apparently involve so many offshore wind turbines that hurricanes
> headed toward the States would be suppressed.
>
> Now, he and a few collaborators are back with a more detailed look at
> how to manage the grid stability issues that come with large amounts
> of intermittent generators, like photovoltaic panes and wind
> turbines. Normally, issues of intermittency are expected to be
> handled by fossil fuel power and batteries. But the new analysis
> suggests we don't need any of that—and we don't need biofuels or
> nuclear, either. Instead, it suggests we could manage a 100-percent
> renewable grid through a combination of hydrogen production and heat
> storage.
>
> None of this is entirely new. People have been talking about
> generating hydrogen from renewable energy for years—with a fuel cell,
> it can be used to power cars or generate electricity as needed. And
> the paper cites an existing community that's already using solar
> energy to generate heat that's stored under ground. But, as with
> Jacobson's past analyses, they are taken to new scales here.



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Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
> Managing a 100-percent renewable grid, without batteries
>> http://arstechnica.com/science/2015/11/managing-a-100-percent-renewable-grid-without-batteries/
> 
> 
>> Stanford researcher Mark Jacobson likes to take current thinking
>> about renewable energy and supersize it. Rather than aiming for 50
>> percent renewables, like California is, he has analyzed what it would
>> take for each of the 50 states to go fully renewable. It would
>> apparently involve so many offshore wind turbines that hurricanes
>> headed toward the States would be suppressed.
>>
>> Now, he and a few collaborators are back with a more detailed look at
>> how to manage the grid stability issues that come with large amounts
>> of intermittent generators, like photovoltaic panes and wind
>> turbines. Normally, issues of intermittency are expected to be
>> handled by fossil fuel power and batteries. But the new analysis
>> suggests we don't need any of that?and we don't need biofuels or
>> nuclear, either. Instead, it suggests we could manage a 100-percent
>> renewable grid through a combination of hydrogen production and heat
>> storage.
>>
>> None of this is entirely new. People have been talking about
>> generating hydrogen from renewable energy for years?with a fuel cell,
>> it can be used to power cars or generate electricity as needed. And
>> the paper cites an existing community that's already using solar
>> energy to generate heat that's stored under ground. But, as with
>> Jacobson's past analyses, they are taken to new scales here.
 
What a concept; bankrupt the nation to get higher energy prices
for no reason other than to satisfy some hysterical Chicken Littles. 
 

-- 
Jim Pennino

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#535566

On 11/25/2015 2:51 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
> Managing a 100-percent renewable grid, without batteries


mish mash of old stuff, and wrong. pipe dream,
smoke-um dope-um pipe dream

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