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| First post | 2016-02-27 18:30 -0800 |
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Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-27 18:30 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-02-27 20:40 -0600
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-27 18:56 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-02-28 12:52 -0600
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-28 12:38 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-02-28 15:04 -0600
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-28 13:47 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-02-28 16:05 -0600
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-28 14:20 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-02-28 16:43 -0600
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-02-28 22:43 +0000
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-02-28 16:46 -0600
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 16:05 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 18:46 -0600
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 16:58 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 19:07 -0600
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-03-03 00:51 +0000
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-02-28 21:33 +0000
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-28 13:59 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-28 14:36 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-02-28 22:51 +0000
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-02-28 22:44 +0000
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-28 14:53 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-02-28 23:48 +0000
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-28 15:11 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-02-28 17:18 -0600
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-02-28 23:51 +0000
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-28 16:07 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-02-28 18:13 -0600
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-02-28 18:22 -0600
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-28 16:28 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-02-28 23:49 +0000
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 15:59 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-03-03 00:12 +0000
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 16:18 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-03-03 00:52 +0000
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-03-04 08:54 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-02-27 20:52 -0600
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-27 18:57 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-02-27 19:31 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-27 19:54 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-02-27 22:37 -0600
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-27 20:51 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-02-27 21:11 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-27 21:55 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-02-27 22:28 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> - 2016-02-27 23:08 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-02-28 19:21 -0600
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-02-27 20:51 -0600
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 23:34 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-28 21:18 -0800
re, re, re noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 13:12 -0800
Re: re, re, re James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 14:53 -0800
Re: re, re, re Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 17:33 -0600
Re: re, re, re James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 15:36 -0800
Re: re, re, re jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-03-02 23:55 +0000
Re: re, re, re Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 18:50 -0600
Re: re, re, re James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 11:24 -0800
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re de rain noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 11:37 -0800
Re: re de rain James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 13:32 -0800
Re: re de rain noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-03-04 14:22 -0800
Re: re, re, re noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-03-04 14:20 -0800
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| From | James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-27 18:30 -0800 |
| Subject | Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air |
| Message-ID | <d3981805-2e33-4245-9a89-65196d4325c6@googlegroups.com> |
Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air Purpose: Compare the weight of moist air versus dry air, all other factors being controlled Materials needed: Mason jars, one dozen (to repeat controlled experiment 4 times) Aluminum foil , one square foot Fishing line, one yard, scissors Cotton ball Distilled water, one ounce Access to warm, dry room, or dry environment, like a desert setting Extremely sensitive scales that can measure extremely small differences in weight between mason jars Vacuum pump Procedures: In warm, dry room, or windless, desert environment set up a table. Prepare two, two by two inch squares of aluminum foil enclosed around a cotton ball with fishing line, such that the whole thing can be lowered into an open mason jar, without contaminating the jar with cotton or precipitate from the water droplet. Open three of the mason jars and let the ambient air balance in all three. Fan them to balance the air in all three. In one of the two aluminum foil, cotton, fishing line thingies put a drop of distilled water. Be sure to allow for moisture to evaporate out of it Lower both of these thingies into two of the jars. Turn the lids upside down for all three jars and place them over the top of the jars, this will trap any moisture and prevent it from "convecting" away. Wait for ten minutes, or so, allowing for evaporation. Any moisture should have evaporated in from the thingies into the mason jars. This should have increased the moisture level in the one jar and should have left it unchanged in the other jars. The moisture having pushed out a equal number of air particles. Carefully remove the thingies and screw the top on the jars tightly. Be sure to only handle jars with latex gloves, don't tape or glue anything to jars. Put jars in plastic bags to protect them from contamination. Be sure to distinguish which jar is which. And be sure to keep respective sets together. Weigh the mason jars and record their respective weights Open lid, fan to balance humidity level and weigh again Evacuate all with pump and weigh again. Produce a data table with all of the respective weights for all three of the jars. Repeat for all additional (three) sets of jars. Evaluate data. If the moist air jar is heavier (as I claim) then my premise is proven. If it is lighter then the traditional understanding is proven. If there is no measurable different then more precise scales are needed.
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| From | Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-27 20:40 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <mv2dnXd89Ledw0_LnZ2dnUU7-U8AAAAA@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #557455 |
Density of Dry Air The density of dry air can be expressed as: ρa = 0.0035 pa / T (1) where ρa = density dry air (kg/m3) pa = partial pressure of air (Pa, N/m2) T = absolute dry bulb temperature (K) Density of Water Vapor The density of water vapor can be expressed as: ρw = 0.0022 pw / T (2) where pw = partial pressure water vapor (Pa, N/m2) ρw = density water vapor (kg/m3) T = absolute dry bulb temperature (K) Ref: http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/density-air-d_680.html -- sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated to the discussion of physics, news from the physics community, and physics-related social issues.
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| From | James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-27 18:56 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <3028d894-35df-478f-9be4-191fdc51a9f5@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #557457 |
On Saturday, February 27, 2016 at 6:40:05 PM UTC-8, Sam Wormley wrote: > Density of Dry Air > The density of dry air can be expressed as: > > ρa = 0.0035 pa / T (1) > > where > > ρa = density dry air (kg/m3) > > pa = partial pressure of air (Pa, N/m2) > > T = absolute dry bulb temperature (K) > > > > > Density of Water Vapor > The density of water vapor can be expressed as: > > ρw = 0.0022 pw / T (2) > > where > > pw = partial pressure water vapor (Pa, N/m2) > > ρw = density water vapor (kg/m3) > > T = absolute dry bulb temperature (K) > > > > Ref: http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/density-air-d_680.html Sam, These procedures will test whether the particles of moisture are multi-molecular, as I claim, or monomolecular, as you and engineering toolbox claim. If the jar with moisture is heavier, as I predict, then I am right. If it is lighter, then you and engineering toolbox are right. The underlying theory is based on standard gas laws and Avogadro's law. Do you get it?
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| From | Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-28 12:52 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <WOSdnZUv--VE3E7LnZ2dnUU7-SmdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #557463 |
On 2/27/16 8:56 PM, James McGinn wrote: > On Saturday, February 27, 2016 at 6:40:05 PM UTC-8, Sam Wormley wrote: >> Density of Dry Air >> The density of dry air can be expressed as: >> >> ρa = 0.0035 pa / T (1) >> >> where >> >> ρa = density dry air (kg/m3) >> >> pa = partial pressure of air (Pa, N/m2) >> >> T = absolute dry bulb temperature (K) >> >> >> >> >> Density of Water Vapor >> The density of water vapor can be expressed as: >> >> ρw = 0.0022 pw / T (2) >> >> where >> >> pw = partial pressure water vapor (Pa, N/m2) >> >> ρw = density water vapor (kg/m3) >> >> T = absolute dry bulb temperature (K) >> >> >> >> Ref: http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/density-air-d_680.html > > Sam, > > These procedures will test whether the particles of moisture are multi-molecular, as I claim, or monomolecular, as you and engineering toolbox claim. If the jar with moisture is heavier, as I predict, then I am right. If it is lighter, then you and engineering toolbox are right. > > The underlying theory is based on standard gas laws and Avogadro's law. > > Do you get it? > James, in the scientific literature, "water vapour" is understood to mean water (H2O) gas. When the temperature of atmospheric water vapour falls to the dew point, liquid water can form. You denial of water vapour in the earth's atmosphere has you all bollixed up. Have not you ever seen a "dry rain" -- rain falling from clouds, but never reaching the ground as it re-evaporates to gaseous H2O? -- sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated to the discussion of physics, news from the physics community, and physics-related social issues.
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| From | James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-28 12:38 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <30a4bdeb-0d61-4a8c-8605-948afab8dd79@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #557610 |
On Sunday, February 28, 2016 at 10:52:14 AM UTC-8, Sam Wormley wrote: > On 2/27/16 8:56 PM, James McGinn wrote: > > On Saturday, February 27, 2016 at 6:40:05 PM UTC-8, Sam Wormley wrote: > >> Density of Dry Air > >> The density of dry air can be expressed as: > >> > >> ρa = 0.0035 pa / T (1) > >> > >> where > >> > >> ρa = density dry air (kg/m3) > >> > >> pa = partial pressure of air (Pa, N/m2) > >> > >> T = absolute dry bulb temperature (K) > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Density of Water Vapor > >> The density of water vapor can be expressed as: > >> > >> ρw = 0.0022 pw / T (2) > >> > >> where > >> > >> pw = partial pressure water vapor (Pa, N/m2) > >> > >> ρw = density water vapor (kg/m3) > >> > >> T = absolute dry bulb temperature (K) > >> > >> > >> > >> Ref: http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/density-air-d_680.html > > > > Sam, > > > > These procedures will test whether the particles of moisture are multi-molecular, as I claim, or monomolecular, as you and engineering toolbox claim. If the jar with moisture is heavier, as I predict, then I am right. If it is lighter, then you and engineering toolbox are right. > > > > The underlying theory is based on standard gas laws and Avogadro's law. > > > > Do you get it? > > > > > James, in the scientific literature, "water vapour" is understood to > mean water (H2O) gas. Yeah, that's the belief, Sam. But if moist air is heavier that would indicate that the belief is false. And if the belief is, in fact, false that would indicate that major parts of meteorology are a myth. And since climatology was built upon meteorology, that would indicate that major parts of climatology are also a myth. And if major parts of climatology are a myth that would indicate that global warming is not an emergency. And if global warming is not an emergency that would open people's minds to being cognizant of the true threat that is facing mankind, evil penguins. > When the temperature of atmospheric water vapour > falls to the dew point, liquid water can form. You denial of water > vapour in the earth's atmosphere has you all bollixed up. > > Have not you ever seen a "dry rain" -- rain falling from clouds, but > never reaching the ground as it re-evaporates to gaseous H2O? Hmm, maybe your dry rain will help us understand why Sergio can't get his smoking wet pants dry. But I consider both of you to be penguin deniers.
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| From | Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-28 15:04 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <ooudndHfm6FW_U7LnZ2dnUU7-WcAAAAA@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #557654 |
On 2/28/16 2:38 PM, James McGinn wrote: > On Sunday, February 28, 2016 at 10:52:14 AM UTC-8, Sam Wormley wrote: >> >> >> James, in the scientific literature, "water vapour" is understood to >> mean water (H2O) gas. > Yeah, that's the belief, Sam. But if moist air is heavier that would > indicate that the belief is false. And if the belief is, in fact, > false that would indicate that major parts of meteorology are a myth. > And since climatology was built upon meteorology, that would indicate > that major parts of climatology are also a myth. And if major parts > of climatology are a myth that would indicate that global warming is > not an emergency. And if global warming is not an emergency that > would open people's minds to being cognizant of the true threat that > is facing mankind, evil penguins. > But water vapor is lighter than dry air and is observed daily to produce upward convection. Have you never lived by a lake? Or observed the evaporating H2O over crop land spawn thunderstorms? There is no doubt that: Water vapour (H2O) like Oxygen (O2) like Nitrogen (N2) is an invisible gas. There is nothing to see. > Water vapour (H2O molecules) > Water vapor, water vapour or aqueous vapor, is the *gaseous phase* of > water. It is one state of water within the hydrosphere. Water vapor > can be produced from the *evaporation or boiling of liquid water* or > from the *sublimation of ice* . Unlike other forms of water, water > vapor is invisible. Under typical atmospheric conditions, water vapor > is continuously generated by evaporation and removed by condensation. > It is *lighter than air* and *triggers convection currents* that can > lead to clouds. -- sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated to the discussion of physics, news from the physics community, and physics-related social issues.
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| From | James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-28 13:47 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <c99401b0-f2cd-4e7c-8860-72f059f36139@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #557659 |
On Sunday, February 28, 2016 at 1:04:17 PM UTC-8, Sam Wormley wrote: > But water vapor is lighter than dry air You have no proof. http://scottishsceptic.co.uk/2011/08/26/how-to-get-off-the-ground-with-nothing-but-water-almost/#comment-39179 > and is observed daily Anecdotal. > to produce upward convection. Have you never lived by a lake? Or observed > the evaporating H2O over crop land spawn thunderstorms? Anecdotal. > There is no doubt that: > > Water vapour (H2O) like Oxygen (O2) like Nitrogen (N2) is an invisible > gas. There is nothing to see. Anecdotal. You should get some education is scientific methodology.
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| From | Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-28 16:05 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <navr1c$rof$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #557666 |
On 2/28/2016 3:47 PM, James McGinn wrote: boob troll boy James "tweeker" McGinn can't figure out how water gets up to the clouds in his world of "moisture air". last time boob trollboy J"t"M said "plasma", without knowing plasma's are dissociated ions. but all he says, is without knowing. Easier to make stuff up in his delusional world of fictional sworlie tormatoes, heavy wet air, and no water vapor, than to go to the effort to study the scientific body of knowledge, which would just drain out of the holes in his brain anyway. and James, you are a gas bigot, air is invisable too, and you admit there is air, but you hate water vapor.
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| From | James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-28 14:20 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <c3819e34-7495-4698-880a-5354fe66928c@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #557669 |
On Sunday, February 28, 2016 at 2:06:45 PM UTC-8, Sergio wrote: > On 2/28/2016 3:47 PM, James McGinn wrote: > > boob troll boy James "tweeker" McGinn can't figure out how water gets up > to the clouds in his world of "moisture air". > > last time boob trollboy J"t"M said "plasma", without knowing plasma's > are dissociated ions. > > but all he says, is without knowing. Easier to make stuff up in his > delusional world of fictional sworlie tormatoes, heavy wet air, and no > water vapor, than to go to the effort to study the scientific body of > knowledge, which would just drain out of the holes in his brain anyway. > and James, you are a gas bigot, air is invisable too, and you admit > there is air, but you hate water vapor. It's comical how angry you nitwits are when somebody doesn't conform with your brain-dead, sheepish, unscientific tendency to turn science based beliefs into a cult.
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| From | Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-28 16:43 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <ooudnczfm6GY5U7LnZ2dnUU7-WednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #557672 |
On 2/28/16 4:20 PM, James McGinn wrote: > It's comical how angry you nitwits are when somebody doesn't conform > with your brain-dead, sheepish, unscientific tendency to turn science > based beliefs into a cult. More likely some are trying to help you understand that measured properties of water, liquid, ice and gas, the role water vapour plays is the earth's atmosphere, how physics measurements are made and basic physics, and finally about physics literature. In other words, some are trying to help you, a wayward sheep. I always wondered (and still do) why you started posting in sci.physics? -- sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated to the discussion of physics, news from the physics community, and physics-related social issues.
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2016-02-28 22:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <1p9cqc-bqr.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #557672 |
James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sunday, February 28, 2016 at 2:06:45 PM UTC-8, Sergio wrote: >> On 2/28/2016 3:47 PM, James McGinn wrote: >> >> boob troll boy James "tweeker" McGinn can't figure out how water gets up >> to the clouds in his world of "moisture air". >> >> last time boob trollboy J"t"M said "plasma", without knowing plasma's >> are dissociated ions. >> >> but all he says, is without knowing. Easier to make stuff up in his >> delusional world of fictional sworlie tormatoes, heavy wet air, and no >> water vapor, than to go to the effort to study the scientific body of >> knowledge, which would just drain out of the holes in his brain anyway. >> and James, you are a gas bigot, air is invisable too, and you admit >> there is air, but you hate water vapor. > > It's comical how angry you nitwits are when somebody doesn't conform > with your brain-dead, sheepish, unscientific tendency to turn science > based beliefs into a cult. It is your delusions that are comical, i.e. any experiment, observation, or definition that threatens your delusions is "anecdotal". Seek professional help for your mental health issues. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-28 16:46 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <navtdp$vl9$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #557672 |
On 2/28/2016 4:20 PM, James McGinn wrote:
> On Sunday, February 28, 2016 at 2:06:45 PM UTC-8, Sergio wrote:
>> On 2/28/2016 3:47 PM, James McGinn wrote:
>>
>> boob troll boy James "tweeker" McGinn can't figure out how water
>> gets up to the clouds in his world of "moisture air".
>>
>> last time boob trollboy J"t"M said "plasma", without knowing
>> plasma's are dissociated ions.
>>
>> but all he says, is without knowing. Easier to make stuff up in
>> his delusional world of fictional sworlie tormatoes, heavy wet air,
>> and no water vapor, than to go to the effort to study the
>> scientific body of knowledge, which would just drain out of the
>> holes in his brain anyway. and James, you are a gas bigot, air is
>> invisable too, and you admit there is air, but you hate water
>> vapor.
>
> It's comical how angry you nitwits are when somebody doesn't conform
> with your brain-dead, sheepish, unscientific tendency to turn science
> based beliefs into a cult.
>
it is comical when you are trapped in your own corner, troll !
You still cannot answer these simple questions,
1. how does your shirt dry out on a clothes line ?
2. How does water get up in the air to make clouds ?
answer NOW !!
(can't ? we understand your limitations in math, science, intellegence,
and reality. But when you're just making stuff up a looney-toonie style,
like a delusional Citizen Toxie, the hordes snicker at you.)
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| From | Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-02 16:05 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <7347ae89-c13d-4741-8557-79c091e2e34c@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #557659 |
On Sunday, February 28, 2016 at 1:04:17 PM UTC-8, Sam Wormley wrote: > But water vapor is lighter than dry air There is an abundance of cool dry air a few hundred meters above any point on the planet. If it is heavier and the warm moist air along the surface is lighter why does it not just come falling down constantly, always. The obvious answer is that moist air contains microdroplets, not gaseous H2O and is, therefore, heavier. Do you have any proof that clear, moist air contains gaseous H2O? > and is observed daily to > produce upward convection. Actually, that is not true. It rushes up occasionally, in storms. So there is something wrong with your theory. BTW, my theory explains storms too.
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| From | Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-02 18:46 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <78Gdne4fxPb6FErLnZ2dnUU7-NmdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #558732 |
On 3/2/16 6:05 PM, Solving Tornadoes wrote: > If it is heavier and the warm moist air along the surface is lighter why does it not just come falling down constantly, always. Humid air is lighter than dry air and therefore, rises. If it rises into cooler air layers and falls in temperature to the local dew point, it can condense into liquid water or ice. Evaporation from soil, oceans, plants and lakes results in a continuous supply of Water Vapor (gaseous H2O) in the earth's atmosphere. Water vapour (H2O) like Oxygen (O2) like Nitrogen (N2) is an invisible gas, so there is nothing to see. > Water vapour (H2O molecules) > Water vapor, water vapour or aqueous vapor, is the *gaseous phase* of > water. It is one state of water within the hydrosphere. Water vapor > can be produced from the *evaporation or boiling of liquid water* or > from the *sublimation of ice* . Unlike other forms of water, water > vapor is invisible. Under typical atmospheric conditions, water vapor > is continuously generated by evaporation and removed by condensation. > It is *lighter than air* and *triggers convection currents* that can > lead to clouds. -- sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated to the discussion of physics, news from the physics community, and physics-related social issues.
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| From | Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-02 16:58 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <8c438e04-6faa-407b-bc8c-ff6c8203df88@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #558748 |
On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 4:46:35 PM UTC-8, Sam Wormley wrote: > On 3/2/16 6:05 PM, Solving Tornadoes wrote: > > If it is heavier and the warm moist air along the surface is lighter why does it not just come falling down constantly, always. > > > Humid air is lighter than dry air and therefore, rises. Actually, there's a big problem with that assertion: http://scottishsceptic.co.uk/2011/08/26/how-to-get-off-the-ground-with-nothing-but-water-almost/#comment-39029 Sorry to burst your bubble.
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| From | Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-02 19:07 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <78GdneofxPbbE0rLnZ2dnUU7-NmdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #558753 |
On 3/2/16 6:58 PM, Solving Tornadoes wrote: > On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 4:46:35 PM UTC-8, Sam Wormley wrote: >> Humid air is lighter than dry air and therefore, rises. > Actually, there's a big problem with that assertion: Nevertheless, the fact that humid air is lighter than dry air is empirically so. -- sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated to the discussion of physics, news from the physics community, and physics-related social issues.
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2016-03-03 00:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vcekqc-ijp.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #558732 |
Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sunday, February 28, 2016 at 1:04:17 PM UTC-8, Sam Wormley wrote: > >> But water vapor is lighter than dry air > > There is an abundance of cool dry air a few hundred meters above any > point on the planet. Nope. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2016-02-28 21:33 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <1m5cqc-qdr.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #557654 |
James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sunday, February 28, 2016 at 10:52:14 AM UTC-8, Sam Wormley wrote: >> On 2/27/16 8:56 PM, James McGinn wrote: >> > On Saturday, February 27, 2016 at 6:40:05 PM UTC-8, Sam Wormley wrote: >> >> Density of Dry Air >> >> The density of dry air can be expressed as: >> >> >> >> ρa = 0.0035 pa / T (1) >> >> >> >> where >> >> >> >> ρa = density dry air (kg/m3) >> >> >> >> pa = partial pressure of air (Pa, N/m2) >> >> >> >> T = absolute dry bulb temperature (K) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Density of Water Vapor >> >> The density of water vapor can be expressed as: >> >> >> >> ρw = 0.0022 pw / T (2) >> >> >> >> where >> >> >> >> pw = partial pressure water vapor (Pa, N/m2) >> >> >> >> ρw = density water vapor (kg/m3) >> >> >> >> T = absolute dry bulb temperature (K) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Ref: http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/density-air-d_680.html >> > >> > Sam, >> > >> > These procedures will test whether the particles of moisture are multi-molecular, as I claim, or monomolecular, as you and engineering toolbox claim. If the jar with moisture is heavier, as I predict, then I am right. If it is lighter, then you and engineering toolbox are right. >> > >> > The underlying theory is based on standard gas laws and Avogadro's law. >> > >> > Do you get it? >> > >> >> >> James, in the scientific literature, "water vapour" is understood to >> mean water (H2O) gas. > > Yeah, that's the belief, Sam. No, that is the definition. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-28 13:59 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <4cca7947-c418-4d51-be7a-1906405f49ba@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #557663 |
On Sunday, February 28, 2016 at 1:46:05 PM UTC-8, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Sunday, February 28, 2016 at 10:52:14 AM UTC-8, Sam Wormley wrote: > >> On 2/27/16 8:56 PM, James McGinn wrote: > >> > On Saturday, February 27, 2016 at 6:40:05 PM UTC-8, Sam Wormley wrote: > >> >> Density of Dry Air > >> >> The density of dry air can be expressed as: > >> >> > >> >> ρa = 0.0035 pa / T (1) > >> >> > >> >> where > >> >> > >> >> ρa = density dry air (kg/m3) > >> >> > >> >> pa = partial pressure of air (Pa, N/m2) > >> >> > >> >> T = absolute dry bulb temperature (K) > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Density of Water Vapor > >> >> The density of water vapor can be expressed as: > >> >> > >> >> ρw = 0.0022 pw / T (2) > >> >> > >> >> where > >> >> > >> >> pw = partial pressure water vapor (Pa, N/m2) > >> >> > >> >> ρw = density water vapor (kg/m3) > >> >> > >> >> T = absolute dry bulb temperature (K) > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Ref: http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/density-air-d_680.html > >> > > >> > Sam, > >> > > >> > These procedures will test whether the particles of moisture are multi-molecular, as I claim, or monomolecular, as you and engineering toolbox claim. If the jar with moisture is heavier, as I predict, then I am right. If it is lighter, then you and engineering toolbox are right. > >> > > >> > The underlying theory is based on standard gas laws and Avogadro's law. > >> > > >> > Do you get it? > >> > > >> > >> > >> James, in the scientific literature, "water vapour" is understood to > >> mean water (H2O) gas. > > > > Yeah, that's the belief, Sam. > > No, that is the definition. Can it not be both?
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| From | James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-28 14:36 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <d729e3f0-b297-4ff8-8b7a-cd1ae4d95932@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #557668 |
On Sunday, February 28, 2016 at 1:59:48 PM UTC-8, James McGinn wrote: > > >> James, in the scientific literature, "water vapour" is understood to > > >> mean water (H2O) gas. > > > > > > Yeah, that's the belief, Sam. > > > > No, that is the definition. > > Can it not be both? Duhr.
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