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Long-term climate variability in the Northern Hemisphere linked to solar variations. Study reveals that North Atlantic Oscillation is phased-locked to decadal solar activity with a delay of one or two years

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  Long-term climate variability in the Northern Hemisphere linked to solar variations. Study reveals that North Atlantic Oscillation is phased-locked to decadal solar activity with a delay of one or two years Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-14 15:56 -0500
    Re: Long-term climate variability in the Northern Hemisphere linked to solar variations. Study reveals that North Atlantic Oscillation is phased-locked to decadal solar activity with a delay of one or two years jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-10-14 21:09 +0000
    Re: Long-term climate variability in the Northern Hemisphere linked to solar variations. Study reveals that North Atlantic Oscillation is phased-locked to decadal solar activity with a delay of one or two years gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> - 2015-10-14 16:16 -0500
      Re: Long-term climate variability in the Northern Hemisphere linked to solar variations. Study reveals that North Atlantic Oscillation is phased-locked to decadal solar activity with a delay of one or two years noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-10-14 17:17 -0700
        Re: Long-term climate variability in the Northern Hemisphere linked to solar variations. Study reveals that North Atlantic Oscillation is phased-locked to decadal solar activity with a delay of one or two years gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> - 2015-10-14 21:21 -0500
      Re: Long-term climate variability in the Northern Hemisphere linked to solar variations. Study reveals that North Atlantic Oscillation is phased-locked to decadal solar activity with a delay of one or two years Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-10-15 08:58 +0200

#526175 — Long-term climate variability in the Northern Hemisphere linked to solar variations. Study reveals that North Atlantic Oscillation is phased-locked to decadal solar activity with a delay of one or two years

FromSam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com>
Date2015-10-14 15:56 -0500
SubjectLong-term climate variability in the Northern Hemisphere linked to solar variations. Study reveals that North Atlantic Oscillation is phased-locked to decadal solar activity with a delay of one or two years
Message-ID<i6GdnRNkFanzXIPLnZ2dnUU7-WGdnZ2d@giganews.com>
Long-term climate variability in the Northern Hemisphere linked to solar 
variations. Study reveals that North Atlantic Oscillation is 
phased-locked to decadal solar activity with a delay of one or two years
> http://www.reportingclimatescience.com/news-stories/article/nao-phase-locked-to-solar-activity-says-study.html


> The natural, 11-year cycle of solar activity is apparently
> influencing long-term climate fluctuations in the Northern
> Hemisphere. An international team of scientists led by GEOMAR
> Helmholtz Centre for Ocean Research Kiel showed that the so-called
> North Atlantic Oscillation, one of the dominant circulation patterns
> on the Northern Hemisphere, is phased-locked to the decadal solar
> activity with a delay of one or two years. The study appears today in
> the international journal Nature Communications.
>
> Abstract
>
> Quasi-decadal variability in solar irradiance has been suggested to
> exert a substantial effect on Earth’s regional climate. In the North
> Atlantic sector, the 11-year solar signal has been proposed to
> project onto a pattern resembling the North Atlantic Oscillation
> (NAO), with a lag of a few years due to ocean-atmosphere
> interactions. The solar/NAO relationship is, however, highly
> misrepresented in climate model simulations with realistic observed
> forcings. In addition, its detection is particularly complicated
> since NAO quasi-decadal fluctuations can be intrinsically generated
> by the coupled ocean-atmosphere system. Here we compare two
> multi-decadal ocean-atmosphere chemistry-climate simulations with and
> without solar forcing variability. While the experiment including
> solar variability simulates a 1–2-year lagged solar/NAO relationship,
> comparison of both experiments suggests that the 11-year solar cycle
> synchronizes quasi-decadal NAO variability intrinsic to the model.
> The synchronization is consistent with the downward propagation of
> the solar signal from the stratosphere to the surface.
>
> Citation
>
> Solar forcing synchronizes decadal climate variability North Atlantic
> by Thiéblemont, R., K. Matthes, N.-E. Omrani, K. Kodera and F.
> Hansen, published in Nature Communications, doi: 10.1038/ncomms9268.


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#526181

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2015-10-14 21:09 +0000
Message-ID<uts2fc-3l7.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#526175
Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
> Long-term climate variability in the Northern Hemisphere linked to solar 
> variations. Study reveals that North Atlantic Oscillation is 
> phased-locked to decadal solar activity with a delay of one or two years
>> http://www.reportingclimatescience.com/news-stories/article/nao-phase-locked-to-solar-activity-says-study.html
> 
> 
>> The natural, 11-year cycle of solar activity is apparently
>> influencing long-term climate fluctuations in the Northern
>> Hemisphere. An international team of scientists led by GEOMAR
>> Helmholtz Centre for Ocean Research Kiel showed that the so-called
>> North Atlantic Oscillation, one of the dominant circulation patterns
>> on the Northern Hemisphere, is phased-locked to the decadal solar
>> activity with a delay of one or two years. The study appears today in
>> the international journal Nature Communications.

Yet for years you have been claiming this is not so, you spamming
piece of shit.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#526183

Fromgilber34 <fafa@invalid.com>
Date2015-10-14 16:16 -0500
Message-ID<mvmgnf$jj8$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#526175
On 10/14/2015 3:56 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
> Long-term climate variability in the Northern Hemisphere linked to solar
> variations. Study reveals that North Atlantic Oscillation is
> phased-locked to decadal solar activity with a delay of one or two years

>
>
so the "Climate Change" computer models are wrong, and have been until 
today.

also the 11 year sun cycle is poorly defined.

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#526200

FromnoTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com>
Date2015-10-14 17:17 -0700
Message-ID<7555cfdf-1e11-449c-a4fa-3ad3a93bb9bf@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#526183
hey, cOOl ... er than other stuff; what, though, do you mean,
about the 11-year thing

> > variations. Study reveals that North Atlantic Oscillation is
> > phased-locked to decadal solar activity with a delay of one or two years
> 
> >
> >
> so the "Climate Change" computer models are wrong, and have been until 
> today.
> 
> also the 11 year sun cycle is poorly defined.

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#526207

Fromgilber34 <fafa@invalid.com>
Date2015-10-14 21:21 -0500
Message-ID<mvn2j7$muq$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#526200
On 10/14/2015 7:17 PM, noTthaTguY wrote:
> hey, cOOl ... er than other stuff; what, though, do you mean,
> about the 11-year thing
>
>>> variations. Study reveals that North Atlantic Oscillation is
>>> phased-locked to decadal solar activity with a delay of one or two years
>>

>>>
>> so the "Climate Change" computer models are wrong, and have been until
>> today.
>>
>> also the 11 year sun cycle is poorly defined.
>

sunspots, non precision + ratty cycle

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#526241

FromPoutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com>
Date2015-10-15 08:58 +0200
Message-ID<mvnin6$v43$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#526183
Dne 14/10/2015 v 23:16 gilber34 napsal(a):
> On 10/14/2015 3:56 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
>> Long-term climate variability in the Northern Hemisphere linked to solar
>> variations. Study reveals that North Atlantic Oscillation is
>> phased-locked to decadal solar activity with a delay of one or two years
> 
>>
>>
> so the "Climate Change" computer models are wrong, and have been until 
> today.
> 
> also the 11 year sun cycle is poorly defined.
> 
By your own logic you are wrong,
as you are not perfectly right in everything anytime.

Climate models do not pretend that Sun activity is constant,
neither that ocean circulation is not affected,
neither that there is no delay.

All that is fine tuning of the models.

-- 
Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )

Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.

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