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Name three fundamental invisible things

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  Name three fundamental invisible things Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-30 15:43 -0600
    Re: Name three fundamental invisible things Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-11-30 13:58 -0800
      Re: Name three fundamental invisible things Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-11-30 23:16 +0100
    Re: Name three fundamental invisible things "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-11-30 14:22 -0800
      Re: Name three fundamental invisible things benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-30 19:23 -0500
    Re: Name three fundamental invisible things jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-30 22:44 +0000
    Re: Name three fundamental invisible things benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-30 19:21 -0500
    Name three fundamental invisible things HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 05:02 -0800
      Re: Name three fundamental invisible things Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 17:02 +0100
        Re: Name three fundamental invisible things HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 08:36 -0800
          Re: Name three fundamental invisible things Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 17:58 +0100
            Re: Name three fundamental invisible things HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 09:13 -0800
              Re: Name three fundamental invisible things Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 18:36 +0100
                Re: Name three fundamental invisible things HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 09:41 -0800
              Re: Name three fundamental invisible things "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 09:48 -0800
    Re: Name three fundamental invisible things "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 10:38 -0800
      Re: Name three fundamental invisible things Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 12:49 -0600
        Re: Name three fundamental invisible things "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 11:37 -0800
          Re: Name three fundamental invisible things Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 13:43 -0600
            Re: Name three fundamental invisible things Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 12:09 -0800
              Re: Name three fundamental invisible things "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-12-03 14:38 -0800
                Re: Name three fundamental invisible things Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-12-04 11:56 -0800
            Re: Name three fundamental invisible things Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-12-01 23:12 -0500
        Re: Name three fundamental invisible things "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-12-02 18:03 -0800
          Re: Name three fundamental invisible things Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-02 20:31 -0600
          Re: Name three fundamental invisible things HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-12-03 06:13 -0800
            Re: Name three fundamental invisible things benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-03 10:04 -0500
          Re: Name three fundamental invisible things Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-03 09:14 -0600
            Re: Name three fundamental invisible things benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-03 10:20 -0500
            Re: Name three fundamental invisible things Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-12-03 15:56 -0800
              Re: Mr. Gravity doesn't get exhausted, pushing stuff. Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-12-04 14:14 -0800
    Re: Name three fundamental invisible things "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2015-12-05 04:47 -0800

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#536559 — Name three fundamental invisible things

FromSam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com>
Date2015-11-30 15:43 -0600
SubjectName three fundamental invisible things
Message-ID<G8qdnTbvbohrX8HLnZ2dnUU7-R-dnZ2d@giganews.com>
Name three fundamental invisible things.

OK -- Space, time and gravity.


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#536563

FromDouble-A <double-a3@hush.com>
Date2015-11-30 13:58 -0800
Message-ID<982e000d-6f21-4ff7-b886-3e03a0dde56a@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#536559
On Monday, November 30, 2015 at 1:43:25 PM UTC-8, Sam Wormley wrote:
> Name three fundamental invisible things.
> 
> OK -- Space, time and gravity.
> 


How about Global Warming?

Double-A

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#536568

FromPoutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com>
Date2015-11-30 23:16 +0100
Message-ID<n3ihn7$gpu$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#536563
Dne 30/11/2015 v 22:58 Double-A napsal(a):
> On Monday, November 30, 2015 at 1:43:25 PM UTC-8, Sam Wormley wrote:
>> Name three fundamental invisible things.
>>
>> OK -- Space, time and gravity.
>>
> 
> How about Global Warming?


Neither three nor fundamental nor invisible nor thing.
But it is at least name, so partial success.

-- 
Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )

Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.

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#536572

From"reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com>
Date2015-11-30 14:22 -0800
Message-ID<958e2276-3f3d-45bb-89ae-92b59f0c296b@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#536559
On Monday, November 30, 2015 at 1:43:25 PM UTC-8, Sam Wormley wrote:
> Name three fundamental invisible things.
> 
> OK -- Space, time and gravity.
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated
> to the discussion of physics, news from the physics
> community, and physics-related social issues.

The complete particles that exist before a colider smashes them into their building blocks.TreBert

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#536610

Frombenj <none@gmail.com>
Date2015-11-30 19:23 -0500
Message-ID<TL57y.231990$fC2.117847@fx03.iad>
In reply to#536572
On 11/30/2015 05:22 PM, reber g=emc^2 wrote:
> On Monday, November 30, 2015 at 1:43:25 PM UTC-8, Sam Wormley wrote:
>> Name three fundamental invisible things.
>>
>> OK -- Space, time and gravity.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated
>> to the discussion of physics, news from the physics
>> community, and physics-related social issues.
>
> The complete particles that exist before a colider smashes them into their building blocks.TreBert
>

I just KNEW this post would be great!  Herb never disappoints!



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#536586

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2015-11-30 22:44 +0000
Message-ID<s20vic-si9.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#536559
Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
> Name three fundamental invisible things.
> 
> OK -- Space, time and gravity.
 
Your courtesy.
Your humanity.
Your discussion.
 

-- 
Jim Pennino

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#536609

Frombenj <none@gmail.com>
Date2015-11-30 19:21 -0500
Message-ID<DK57y.231989$fC2.71598@fx03.iad>
In reply to#536559
On 11/30/2015 04:43 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
> Name three fundamental invisible things.
>
> OK -- Space, time and gravity.

Ok, Sam now name three fantasy things that DO NOT exist!

OK-- points, lines, and infinity.



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#536704

FromHVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-01 05:02 -0800
Message-ID<b8d8bb87-2f64-4273-ac29-1470316ed5ab@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#536559
If it can be perceived, is it truly invisible?

Or did you mean invisible to unaided human eyes?

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#536722

FromPoutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-01 17:02 +0100
Message-ID<n3kg5s$pe0$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#536704
On 12/01/2015 02:02 PM, HVAC wrote:
> If it can be perceived, is it truly invisible?
> 
> Or did you mean invisible to unaided human eyes?
> 

Do you mean the thing itself,
or its projection visible for humans ?

Persons in dark are not visible, if you watch them
by IR night vision system. They are still invisible,
visible are their projections.

-- 
Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )

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#536733

FromHVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-01 08:36 -0800
Message-ID<c2e55301-b087-419a-a850-4ecf93636250@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#536722
On Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 4:02:24 PM UTC, Poutnik wrote:
> On 12/01/2015 02:02 PM, HVAC wrote:
> > If it can be perceived, is it truly invisible?
> > 
> > Or did you mean invisible to unaided human eyes?
> > 
> 
> Do you mean the thing itself,
> or its projection visible for humans ?
> 
> Persons in dark are not visible, if you watch them
> by IR night vision system. They are still invisible,
> visible are their projections.
> 
> -- 
> Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )


Foolish solipsism. Even 'visible' light seen by humans is merely your brain's interpretation of signals from the optic nerve.



 

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#536742

FromPoutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-01 17:58 +0100
Message-ID<n3kjeu$6n8$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#536733
On 12/01/2015 05:36 PM, HVAC wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 4:02:24 PM UTC, Poutnik wrote:
>> On 12/01/2015 02:02 PM, HVAC wrote:
>>> If it can be perceived, is it truly invisible?
>>>
>>> Or did you mean invisible to unaided human eyes?
>>>
>>
>> Do you mean the thing itself,
>> or its projection visible for humans ?
>>
>> Persons in dark are not visible, if you watch them
>> by IR night vision system. They are still invisible,
>> visible are their projections.
>>
>> -- 
>> Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )
> 
> 
> Foolish solipsism. Even 'visible' light seen by humans is merely your brain's interpretation of signals from the optic nerve.

Rather foolish objection.

Being visible IS brain's interpretation of signals from the optic nerve.

It does not matter if nerve is triggered by light from your body
or your picture on the screen of IR vision device.

In the former case your body is visible,
in the latter case your projection is visible.

Being detectable is another thing.

-- 
Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )

Knowledge makes a great man humble, but a small man arrogant.

Eventual Wikipedia articles are provided with intention
of a convenient reference, not as an evidence, argument,
and usually not as a primary source of my knowledge.

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#536746

FromHVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-01 09:13 -0800
Message-ID<206f239e-5fee-4166-8109-3a10f3d13cd1@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#536742
On Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 4:58:26 PM UTC, Poutnik wrote:
> On 12/01/2015 05:36 PM, HVAC wrote:
> > On Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 4:02:24 PM UTC, Poutnik wrote:
> >> On 12/01/2015 02:02 PM, HVAC wrote:
> >>> If it can be perceived, is it truly invisible?
> >>>
> >>> Or did you mean invisible to unaided human eyes?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Do you mean the thing itself,
> >> or its projection visible for humans ?
> >>
> >> Persons in dark are not visible, if you watch them
> >> by IR night vision system. They are still invisible,
> >> visible are their projections.
> >>
> >> -- 
> >> Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )
> > 
> > 
> > Foolish solipsism. Even 'visible' light seen by humans is merely your brain's interpretation of signals from the optic nerve.
> 
> Rather foolish objection.
> 
> Being visible IS brain's interpretation of signals from the optic nerve.


So then time, gravity and anything else we know about is visible?

Again, let's debate what the meaning of IS is

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#536754

FromPoutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-01 18:36 +0100
Message-ID<n3klmn$glc$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#536746
On 12/01/2015 06:13 PM, HVAC wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 4:58:26 PM UTC, Poutnik wrote:

>>>
>>> Foolish solipsism. Even 'visible' light seen by humans is merely your brain's interpretation of signals from the optic nerve.
>>
>> Rather foolish objection.
>>
>> Being visible IS brain's interpretation of signals from the optic nerve.
> 
> 
> So then time, gravity and anything else we know about is visible?

No, No, it depends.
> 
> Again, let's debate what the meaning of IS is

In this context it is a definition.

In more philosofical context,
it is rather Out of context of sci.physics.


-- 
Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )

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#536757

FromHVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-01 09:41 -0800
Message-ID<ee33e93a-214b-464c-976e-cd470f067e1b@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#536754
On Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 5:36:42 PM UTC, Poutnik wrote:
> On 12/01/2015 06:13 PM, HVAC wrote:
> > On Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 4:58:26 PM UTC, Poutnik wrote:
> 
> >>>
> >>> Foolish solipsism. Even 'visible' light seen by humans is merely your brain's interpretation of signals from the optic nerve.
> >>
> >> Rather foolish objection.
> >>
> >> Being visible IS brain's interpretation of signals from the optic nerve.
> > 
> > 
> > So then time, gravity and anything else we know about is visible?
> 
> No, No, it depends.
> > 
> > Again, let's debate what the meaning of IS is
> 
> In this context it is a definition.
> 
> In more philosofical context,
> it is rather Out of context of sci.physics.


As Moderator Emeritus of this group, I have been known to bend the rules upon occasion. And the philosophy of physics is fair game in any event.

Please note that I meant no disrespect in my original reply re: solipsism 

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#536760

From"reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-01 09:48 -0800
Message-ID<5995f912-5293-40f6-9ade-8cc30d64b4fd@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#536746
On Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 9:13:08 AM UTC-8, HVAC wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 4:58:26 PM UTC, Poutnik wrote:
> > On 12/01/2015 05:36 PM, HVAC wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 4:02:24 PM UTC, Poutnik wrote:
> > >> On 12/01/2015 02:02 PM, HVAC wrote:
> > >>> If it can be perceived, is it truly invisible?
> > >>>
> > >>> Or did you mean invisible to unaided human eyes?
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> Do you mean the thing itself,
> > >> or its projection visible for humans ?
> > >>
> > >> Persons in dark are not visible, if you watch them
> > >> by IR night vision system. They are still invisible,
> > >> visible are their projections.
> > >>
> > >> -- 
> > >> Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Foolish solipsism. Even 'visible' light seen by humans is merely your brain's interpretation of signals from the optic nerve.
> > 
> > Rather foolish objection.
> > 
> > Being visible IS brain's interpretation of signals from the optic nerve.
> 
> 
> So then time, gravity and anything else we know about is visible?
> 
> Again, let's debate what the meaning of IS is

Brain works only by electric waves.Nerves do the conducting.TreBert

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#536780

From"nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-01 10:38 -0800
Message-ID<616f692e-8105-4c9e-9458-c2416f750e4b@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#536559
On Monday, November 30, 2015 at 1:43:25 PM UTC-8, Sam Wormley wrote:
> Name three fundamental invisible things.

  For the purposes of this discussion, please define "visible".


  Mark L. Fergerson

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#536782

FromSam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-01 12:49 -0600
Message-ID<8_6dndsl3JkrdsDLnZ2dnUU7-K0AAAAA@giganews.com>
In reply to#536780
On 12/1/15 12:38 PM, nuny@bid.nes wrote:
> On Monday, November 30, 2015 at 1:43:25 PM UTC-8, Sam Wormley wrote:
>> Name three fundamental invisible things.
>
>    For the purposes of this discussion, please define "visible".
>
>
>    Mark L. Fergerson
>

   Phenomena that we can see, hear, smell, taste or touch seems like a
   reasonable definition of "visible" for the sake of discussion. I think
   it was Neil deGrasse Tyson that pointed out that space, time and
   gravity are invisible.

   In the case of gravity we can't feel it, but we can feel the earth,
   chair, floor, whatever pushing up on us. In free fall--no can't tell
   if there is gravitation or not.



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#536788

From"nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-01 11:37 -0800
Message-ID<0ee0518b-50fa-4b6e-90e9-aaa5cf09ed33@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#536782
On Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 10:49:30 AM UTC-8, Sam Wormley wrote:
> On 12/1/15 12:38 PM, nuny@bid.nes wrote:
> > On Monday, November 30, 2015 at 1:43:25 PM UTC-8, Sam Wormley wrote:
> >> Name three fundamental invisible things.
> >
> >    For the purposes of this discussion, please define "visible".
> 
>    Phenomena that we can see, hear, smell, taste or touch seems like a
>    reasonable definition of "visible" for the sake of discussion.

  Thank you.

  By that definition, most of the Universe is invisible to our pathetically limited sensorium.

>    I think it was Neil deGrasse Tyson that pointed out that space, time and
>    gravity are invisible.
>    In the case of gravity we can't feel it, but we can feel the earth,
>    chair, floor, whatever pushing up on us.

  Then Neil deGrasse Tyson is wrong. I will point out that you only mentioned five of our senses- we have several more. The saccules in our inner ears exist to feel gravity, independently of the skin-based sense of touch used to feel the pressure of a floor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saccule

> In free fall--no can't tell if there is gravitation or not.

  Sure you can. Place your body in the "attention" posture. Your body's long axis will slowly align with the local gravitational vector (even when you're in orbit). You won't be able to tell which way is down unless two people do it within sight of each other. Left as an exercise is explaining why two people are necessary.


  Mark L. Fergerson

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#536790

FromSam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-01 13:43 -0600
Message-ID<8_6dndQl3Jn3ZcDLnZ2dnUU7-K0AAAAA@giganews.com>
In reply to#536788
On 12/1/15 1:37 PM, nuny@bid.nes wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 10:49:30 AM UTC-8, Sam Wormley wrote:
>> On 12/1/15 12:38 PM, nuny@bid.nes wrote:
>>> On Monday, November 30, 2015 at 1:43:25 PM UTC-8, Sam Wormley wrote:
>>>> Name three fundamental invisible things.
>>>
>>>     For the purposes of this discussion, please define "visible".
>>
>>     Phenomena that we can see, hear, smell, taste or touch seems like a
>>     reasonable definition of "visible" for the sake of discussion.
>
>    Thank you.
>
>    By that definition, most of the Universe is invisible to our pathetically limited sensorium.
>
>>     I think it was Neil deGrasse Tyson that pointed out that space, time and
>>     gravity are invisible.
>>     In the case of gravity we can't feel it, but we can feel the earth,
>>     chair, floor, whatever pushing up on us.
>
>    Then Neil deGrasse Tyson is wrong. I will point out that you only mentioned five of our senses- we have several more. The saccules in our inner ears exist to feel gravity, independently of the skin-based sense of touch used to feel the pressure of a floor.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saccule
>
>> In free fall--no can't tell if there is gravitation or not.
>
>    Sure you can. Place your body in the "attention" posture. Your body's long axis will slowly align with the local gravitational vector (even when you're in orbit). You won't be able to tell which way is down unless two people do it within sight of each other. Left as an exercise is explaining why two people are necessary.
>
>
>    Mark L. Fergerson
>

    Good -- Thank you, Mark.



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#536794

FromMahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-01 12:09 -0800
Message-ID<346ede2e-9a59-45a7-95c2-2929c9f17987@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#536790
On Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 2:43:41 PM UTC-5, Sam Wormley wrote:
> On 12/1/15 1:37 PM, nuny@bid.nes wrote:
> > On Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 10:49:30 AM UTC-8, Sam Wormley wrote:
> >> On 12/1/15 12:38 PM, nuny@bid.nes wrote:
> >>> On Monday, November 30, 2015 at 1:43:25 PM UTC-8, Sam Wormley wrote:
> >>>> Name three fundamental invisible things.
> >>>
> >>>     For the purposes of this discussion, please define "visible".
> >>
> >>     Phenomena that we can see, hear, smell, taste or touch seems like a
> >>     reasonable definition of "visible" for the sake of discussion.
> >
> >    Thank you.
> >
> >    By that definition, most of the Universe is invisible to our
> >pathetically limited sensorium.

I think pathetically is a bit too cruel regards our natural limitations.

> >>     I think it was Neil deGrasse Tyson that pointed out that space, time and
> >>     gravity are invisible.
> >>     In the case of gravity we can't feel it, but we can feel the earth,
> >>     chair, floor, whatever pushing up on us.
> >
> >    Then Neil deGrasse Tyson is wrong. I will point out that you
> >only mentioned five of our senses- we have several more. The
> >saccules in our inner ears exist to feel gravity, independently of
> >the skin-based sense of touch used to feel the pressure of a floor.

Modern Neil deGrasse Tyson types did to Pluto what OneStone did to
erections lasting more than four hours. Strange Universe this is. 
Missing you hanson Hanson HANSON. Did they get to you hanson?!

> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saccule
> >
> >> In free fall--no can't tell if there is gravitation or not.

Learn to write Sam, and stop cut and pasting links you never read.

> >    Sure you can. Place your body in the "attention" posture. Your
> >body's long axis will slowly align with the local gravitational
> >vector (even when you're in orbit). You won't be able to tell which
> >way is down unless two people do it within sight of each
> >other. Left as an exercise is explaining why two people are
> >necessary.
> >
> >    Mark L. Fergerson
> >
>     Good -- Thank you, Mark.

There you have it Mark, you get an A- from Sam Worm Liar! Email your
hyper linkedin resume/CV address to ...youKnow. GE is hiring the young
ones. And only. Like all corporations, sponsored by GEICO, else.

-- Mahipal "IPMM... Yes I digress, ergo the discussion."

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