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Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-12-27 17:31 -0500
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-12-27 22:53 +0000
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-12-27 21:45 -0500
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: Sergio <invlaid@invalid.com> - 2016-12-27 21:40 -0600
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-12-28 06:01 +0000
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-12-29 17:23 -0500
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-12-30 01:10 +0000
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-12-30 17:23 -0500
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-12-31 00:08 +0000
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-12-30 20:35 -0500
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-12-31 02:20 +0000
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-12-31 17:30 -0500
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-12-31 22:44 +0000
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-12-31 21:06 -0500
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-01-01 02:58 +0000
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-01-01 07:07 -0800
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-01 07:12 -0800
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-01-01 09:34 -0800
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-01-01 11:18 -0800
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-01-01 11:37 -0800
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-01-01 11:57 -0800
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-01-01 11:37 -0800
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-02 16:42 -0500
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-01-02 22:14 +0000
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-02 18:35 -0500
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-01-03 00:37 +0000
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-02 20:09 -0500
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-01-03 02:13 +0000
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-01-02 18:45 -0800
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-01-03 05:58 +0000
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-01-03 05:40 -0800
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-01-03 08:35 -0800
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-03 18:35 -0500
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-01-03 08:41 -0800
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-03 18:41 -0500
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-01-03 15:53 -0800
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-03 19:14 -0500
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 07:49 -0800
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 07:55 -0800
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-05 17:41 -0500
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-01-06 00:33 +0000
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-05 21:15 -0500
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-01-06 03:20 +0000
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-06 16:44 -0500
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-01-06 22:09 +0000
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-06 17:24 -0500
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-01-06 23:19 +0000
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-06 20:23 -0500
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-03 18:19 -0500
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-03 18:01 -0500
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-01-03 23:38 +0000
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-03 19:18 -0500
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-01-04 00:39 +0000
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-01-01 18:30 +0000
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-01 10:49 -0800
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: Yuri Kretin <invlaid@invalid.com> - 2017-01-01 20:08 -0600
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-02 16:47 -0500
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-01-02 17:14 -0800
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-02 20:31 -0500
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-01-03 04:14 -0800
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-03 18:05 -0500
Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-02 16:39 -0500
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| From | benj <benj@nobody.net> |
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| Date | 2016-12-27 17:31 -0500 |
| Subject | Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: |
| Message-ID | <5862ebb3$0$57908$c3e8da3$c8b7d2e6@news.astraweb.com> |
"There is no source of deception in the investigation of nature which can compare with a fixed belief that certain kinds of phenomena are impossible." William James
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2016-12-27 22:53 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <408bjd-98f.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #610541 |
benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote: > > "There is no source of deception in the investigation of nature which > can compare with a fixed belief that certain kinds of phenomena are > impossible." > > William James Who also said: "Religious Mysticism is only one half of mysticism, the other half is composed of the insane and both of these are co-located in the 'great subliminal or transmarginal region'. James held seances with Leonora Piper, dabbled in metaphysics, religion, and mysticism and defeneded "The Will to Believe", the adoption of a belief without prior evidence of its truth, i.e. religion, ghosts, etc. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | benj <benj@nobody.net> |
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| Date | 2016-12-27 21:45 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <58632742$0$51693$c3e8da3$f6268168@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #610549 |
On 12/27/2016 5:53 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote: >> >> "There is no source of deception in the investigation of nature which >> can compare with a fixed belief that certain kinds of phenomena are >> impossible." >> >> William James > > Who also said: > > "Religious Mysticism is only one half of mysticism, the other half is > composed of the insane and both of these are co-located in the 'great > subliminal or transmarginal region'. > > James held seances with Leonora Piper, dabbled in metaphysics, religion, > and mysticism and defeneded "The Will to Believe", the adoption of a > belief without prior evidence of its truth, i.e. religion, ghosts, etc. > > So going to a seance makes one a kook? Gosh, lucky me. I've never been to one! How exactly does one "dabble" in metaphysics? I think you and HVAC are dabblers.
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| From | Sergio <invlaid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2016-12-27 21:40 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <o3vc79$rhc$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #610566 |
On 12/27/2016 8:45 PM, benj wrote: > On 12/27/2016 5:53 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote: >>> >>> "There is no source of deception in the investigation of nature which >>> can compare with a fixed belief that certain kinds of phenomena are >>> impossible." analyze sentance => if you believe one phenomena is bullshit, then there is no compariable source of deception. sentance is BS >>> >>> William James >> >> Who also said: >> >> "Religious Mysticism is only one half of mysticism, the other half is >> composed of the insane and both of these are co-located in the 'great >> subliminal or transmarginal region'. >> >> James held seances with Leonora Piper, dabbled in metaphysics, religion, >> and mysticism and defeneded "The Will to Believe", the adoption of a >> belief without prior evidence of its truth, i.e. religion, ghosts, etc. >> >> > So going to a seance makes one a kook? Gosh, lucky me. I've never been > to one! How exactly does one "dabble" in metaphysics? I think you and > HVAC are dabblers. they not dabblers! they b doodlers! Howdie Doodlers...
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2016-12-28 06:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <121cjd-qoh.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #610566 |
benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote: > On 12/27/2016 5:53 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote: >>> >>> "There is no source of deception in the investigation of nature which >>> can compare with a fixed belief that certain kinds of phenomena are >>> impossible." >>> >>> William James >> >> Who also said: >> >> "Religious Mysticism is only one half of mysticism, the other half is >> composed of the insane and both of these are co-located in the 'great >> subliminal or transmarginal region'. >> >> James held seances with Leonora Piper, dabbled in metaphysics, religion, >> and mysticism and defeneded "The Will to Believe", the adoption of a >> belief without prior evidence of its truth, i.e. religion, ghosts, etc. >> >> > So going to a seance makes one a kook? Among other things like believing in ghosts, ESP, and remote viewing kook. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | benj <benj@nobody.net> |
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| Date | 2016-12-29 17:23 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <58658cf0$0$11852$c3e8da3$3a1a2348@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #610581 |
On 12/28/2016 1:01 AM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote: >> On 12/27/2016 5:53 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> "There is no source of deception in the investigation of nature which >>>> can compare with a fixed belief that certain kinds of phenomena are >>>> impossible." >>>> >>>> William James >>> >>> Who also said: >>> >>> "Religious Mysticism is only one half of mysticism, the other half is >>> composed of the insane and both of these are co-located in the 'great >>> subliminal or transmarginal region'. >>> >>> James held seances with Leonora Piper, dabbled in metaphysics, religion, >>> and mysticism and defeneded "The Will to Believe", the adoption of a >>> belief without prior evidence of its truth, i.e. religion, ghosts, etc. >>> >>> >> So going to a seance makes one a kook? > > Among other things like believing in ghosts, ESP, and remote viewing kook. > > Your and HVAC's opinion is enough proof for any of the kooks here, right? Fist bump?
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2016-12-30 01:10 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <lpogjd-ne4.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #610786 |
benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote: > On 12/28/2016 1:01 AM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote: >>> On 12/27/2016 5:53 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> "There is no source of deception in the investigation of nature which >>>>> can compare with a fixed belief that certain kinds of phenomena are >>>>> impossible." >>>>> >>>>> William James >>>> >>>> Who also said: >>>> >>>> "Religious Mysticism is only one half of mysticism, the other half is >>>> composed of the insane and both of these are co-located in the 'great >>>> subliminal or transmarginal region'. >>>> >>>> James held seances with Leonora Piper, dabbled in metaphysics, religion, >>>> and mysticism and defeneded "The Will to Believe", the adoption of a >>>> belief without prior evidence of its truth, i.e. religion, ghosts, etc. >>>> >>>> >>> So going to a seance makes one a kook? >> >> Among other things like believing in ghosts, ESP, and remote viewing kook. >> >> > Your and HVAC's opinion is enough proof for any of the kooks here, > right? Fist bump? You have been given many references that show that every study of the paranormal that showed positive results has failed subsequent scrutiny so opinion has nothing to do with it kook. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | benj <benj@nobody.net> |
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| Date | 2016-12-30 17:23 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <5866de73$0$10178$c3e8da3$fdf4f6af@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #610820 |
On 12/29/2016 8:10 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote: >> On 12/28/2016 1:01 AM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote: >>>> On 12/27/2016 5:53 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> "There is no source of deception in the investigation of nature which >>>>>> can compare with a fixed belief that certain kinds of phenomena are >>>>>> impossible." >>>>>> >>>>>> William James >>>>> >>>>> Who also said: >>>>> >>>>> "Religious Mysticism is only one half of mysticism, the other half is >>>>> composed of the insane and both of these are co-located in the 'great >>>>> subliminal or transmarginal region'. >>>>> >>>>> James held seances with Leonora Piper, dabbled in metaphysics, religion, >>>>> and mysticism and defeneded "The Will to Believe", the adoption of a >>>>> belief without prior evidence of its truth, i.e. religion, ghosts, etc. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> So going to a seance makes one a kook? >>> >>> Among other things like believing in ghosts, ESP, and remote viewing kook. >>> >>> >> Your and HVAC's opinion is enough proof for any of the kooks here, >> right? Fist bump? > > You have been given many references that show that every study of the > paranormal that showed positive results has failed subsequent scrutiny > so opinion has nothing to do with it kook. This is not true. Studies for over a century show significant positive results. All skeptic criticisms have been answered and they (you) still refuse to accept the probabilities because of your diehard beliefs. Try science instead of religion next time.
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2016-12-31 00:08 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <hg9jjd-iod.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #610923 |
benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote: > On 12/29/2016 8:10 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote: >>> On 12/28/2016 1:01 AM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote: >>>>> On 12/27/2016 5:53 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "There is no source of deception in the investigation of nature which >>>>>>> can compare with a fixed belief that certain kinds of phenomena are >>>>>>> impossible." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> William James >>>>>> >>>>>> Who also said: >>>>>> >>>>>> "Religious Mysticism is only one half of mysticism, the other half is >>>>>> composed of the insane and both of these are co-located in the 'great >>>>>> subliminal or transmarginal region'. >>>>>> >>>>>> James held seances with Leonora Piper, dabbled in metaphysics, religion, >>>>>> and mysticism and defeneded "The Will to Believe", the adoption of a >>>>>> belief without prior evidence of its truth, i.e. religion, ghosts, etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> So going to a seance makes one a kook? >>>> >>>> Among other things like believing in ghosts, ESP, and remote viewing kook. >>>> >>>> >>> Your and HVAC's opinion is enough proof for any of the kooks here, >>> right? Fist bump? >> >> You have been given many references that show that every study of the >> paranormal that showed positive results has failed subsequent scrutiny >> so opinion has nothing to do with it kook. > > This is not true. Yes it is true and you have been given many references to prove it kook. Yes it is true and you have been given many references to prove it kook. > Studie for over a century show significant positive > results. All skeptic criticisms have been answered and they (you) still > refuse to accept the probabilities because of your diehard beliefs. Try > science instead of religion next time. Science means a study is repeatable kook. Every study of the paranormal that showed positive results has failed subsequent scrutiny kook. That means none of the studies you keep harping on about has been repeatable kook. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | benj <benj@nobody.net> |
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| Date | 2016-12-30 20:35 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <58670b58$0$36032$c3e8da3$76a7c58f@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #610950 |
On 12/30/2016 7:08 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote: >> On 12/29/2016 8:10 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote: >>>> On 12/28/2016 1:01 AM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote: >>>>>> On 12/27/2016 5:53 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "There is no source of deception in the investigation of nature which >>>>>>>> can compare with a fixed belief that certain kinds of phenomena are >>>>>>>> impossible." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> William James >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Who also said: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Religious Mysticism is only one half of mysticism, the other half is >>>>>>> composed of the insane and both of these are co-located in the 'great >>>>>>> subliminal or transmarginal region'. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> James held seances with Leonora Piper, dabbled in metaphysics, religion, >>>>>>> and mysticism and defeneded "The Will to Believe", the adoption of a >>>>>>> belief without prior evidence of its truth, i.e. religion, ghosts, etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> So going to a seance makes one a kook? >>>>> >>>>> Among other things like believing in ghosts, ESP, and remote viewing kook. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Your and HVAC's opinion is enough proof for any of the kooks here, >>>> right? Fist bump? >>> >>> You have been given many references that show that every study of the >>> paranormal that showed positive results has failed subsequent scrutiny >>> so opinion has nothing to do with it kook. >> >> This is not true. > > Yes it is true and you have been given many references to prove it kook. > > Yes it is true and you have been given many references to prove it kook. > >> Studie for over a century show significant positive >> results. All skeptic criticisms have been answered and they (you) still >> refuse to accept the probabilities because of your diehard beliefs. Try >> science instead of religion next time. > > Science means a study is repeatable kook. Drooler, probability is an essential technique of science. "Superpowers" is not. > Every study of the paranormal that showed positive results has failed > subsequent scrutiny kook. Absolutely false. Even skeptical studies have shown some positive results which they ignored because they are dishonest like you. > That means none of the studies you keep harping on about has been > repeatable kook. Meta-analysis shows this argument totally false. Even skeptics don't say this anymore. Today they talk about "file drawer" and Bayseian statistics. Cripes do you think I'm going to teach you how to be a denier?
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2016-12-31 02:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <e8hjjd-phe.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #610963 |
benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote: > On 12/30/2016 7:08 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote: >>> On 12/29/2016 8:10 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote: >>>>> On 12/28/2016 1:01 AM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote: >>>>>>> On 12/27/2016 5:53 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "There is no source of deception in the investigation of nature which >>>>>>>>> can compare with a fixed belief that certain kinds of phenomena are >>>>>>>>> impossible." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> William James >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Who also said: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Religious Mysticism is only one half of mysticism, the other half is >>>>>>>> composed of the insane and both of these are co-located in the 'great >>>>>>>> subliminal or transmarginal region'. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> James held seances with Leonora Piper, dabbled in metaphysics, religion, >>>>>>>> and mysticism and defeneded "The Will to Believe", the adoption of a >>>>>>>> belief without prior evidence of its truth, i.e. religion, ghosts, etc. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> So going to a seance makes one a kook? >>>>>> >>>>>> Among other things like believing in ghosts, ESP, and remote viewing kook. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Your and HVAC's opinion is enough proof for any of the kooks here, >>>>> right? Fist bump? >>>> >>>> You have been given many references that show that every study of the >>>> paranormal that showed positive results has failed subsequent scrutiny >>>> so opinion has nothing to do with it kook. >>> >>> This is not true. >> >> Yes it is true and you have been given many references to prove it kook. >> >> Yes it is true and you have been given many references to prove it kook. >> >>> Studie for over a century show significant positive >>> results. All skeptic criticisms have been answered and they (you) still >>> refuse to accept the probabilities because of your diehard beliefs. Try >>> science instead of religion next time. >> >> Science means a study is repeatable kook. > > Drooler, probability is an essential technique of science. "Superpowers" > is not. No one but you said anything about "Superpowers" kook. Science is about repeatable experiments kook. >> Every study of the paranormal that showed positive results has failed >> subsequent scrutiny kook. > > Absolutely false. Even skeptical studies have shown some positive > results which they ignored because they are dishonest like you. Absolutely true and you have been given the references to show it is true while all you have done is arm wave, make unsubstantiated claims and call others liers kook. >> That means none of the studies you keep harping on about has been >> repeatable kook. > > Meta-analysis shows this argument totally false. Every study of the paranormal that showed positive results has failed subsequent scrutiny kook, which mean "Meta-analysis" has nothing to do with anything kook. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | benj <benj@nobody.net> |
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| Date | 2016-12-31 17:30 -0500 |
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On 12/30/2016 9:20 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote: >> On 12/30/2016 7:08 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote: >>>> On 12/29/2016 8:10 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote: >>>>>> On 12/28/2016 1:01 AM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> On 12/27/2016 5:53 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "There is no source of deception in the investigation of nature which >>>>>>>>>> can compare with a fixed belief that certain kinds of phenomena are >>>>>>>>>> impossible." >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> William James >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Who also said: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Religious Mysticism is only one half of mysticism, the other half is >>>>>>>>> composed of the insane and both of these are co-located in the 'great >>>>>>>>> subliminal or transmarginal region'. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> James held seances with Leonora Piper, dabbled in metaphysics, religion, >>>>>>>>> and mysticism and defeneded "The Will to Believe", the adoption of a >>>>>>>>> belief without prior evidence of its truth, i.e. religion, ghosts, etc. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So going to a seance makes one a kook? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Among other things like believing in ghosts, ESP, and remote viewing kook. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Your and HVAC's opinion is enough proof for any of the kooks here, >>>>>> right? Fist bump? >>>>> >>>>> You have been given many references that show that every study of the >>>>> paranormal that showed positive results has failed subsequent scrutiny >>>>> so opinion has nothing to do with it kook. >>>> >>>> This is not true. >>> >>> Yes it is true and you have been given many references to prove it kook. >>> >>> Yes it is true and you have been given many references to prove it kook. >>> >>>> Studie for over a century show significant positive >>>> results. All skeptic criticisms have been answered and they (you) still >>>> refuse to accept the probabilities because of your diehard beliefs. Try >>>> science instead of religion next time. >>> >>> Science means a study is repeatable kook. >> >> Drooler, probability is an essential technique of science. "Superpowers" >> is not. > > No one but you said anything about "Superpowers" kook. > > Science is about repeatable experiments kook. > >>> Every study of the paranormal that showed positive results has failed >>> subsequent scrutiny kook. >> >> Absolutely false. Even skeptical studies have shown some positive >> results which they ignored because they are dishonest like you. > > Absolutely true and you have been given the references to show it is > true while all you have done is arm wave, make unsubstantiated claims > and call others liers kook. Exactly, Drooler. So you now want to play schoolyard games of did not and did too! You are a total waste of time. Simply repeating your opinion changes nothing. Opinion is not science, nutjob. >>> That means none of the studies you keep harping on about has been >>> repeatable kook. >> >> Meta-analysis shows this argument totally false. > > Every study of the paranormal that showed positive results has failed > subsequent scrutiny kook, which mean "Meta-analysis" has nothing to > do with anything kook. Your statement is totally false. In fact, subsequent tests tat showed negative results were subsequently shown to be flawed. Meta-aqnalysis has EVERYTHING to do with it. You don't even know what it is, do you? Even without it lab experiments with ESP show statistically significant positive results. Yet you deny and deny.
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2016-12-31 22:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <60pljd-enl.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
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benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote: > On 12/30/2016 9:20 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote: >>> On 12/30/2016 7:08 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote: >>>>> On 12/29/2016 8:10 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote: >>>>>>> On 12/28/2016 1:01 AM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 12/27/2016 5:53 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "There is no source of deception in the investigation of nature which >>>>>>>>>>> can compare with a fixed belief that certain kinds of phenomena are >>>>>>>>>>> impossible." >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> William James >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Who also said: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Religious Mysticism is only one half of mysticism, the other half is >>>>>>>>>> composed of the insane and both of these are co-located in the 'great >>>>>>>>>> subliminal or transmarginal region'. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> James held seances with Leonora Piper, dabbled in metaphysics, religion, >>>>>>>>>> and mysticism and defeneded "The Will to Believe", the adoption of a >>>>>>>>>> belief without prior evidence of its truth, i.e. religion, ghosts, etc. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So going to a seance makes one a kook? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Among other things like believing in ghosts, ESP, and remote viewing kook. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Your and HVAC's opinion is enough proof for any of the kooks here, >>>>>>> right? Fist bump? >>>>>> >>>>>> You have been given many references that show that every study of the >>>>>> paranormal that showed positive results has failed subsequent scrutiny >>>>>> so opinion has nothing to do with it kook. >>>>> >>>>> This is not true. >>>> >>>> Yes it is true and you have been given many references to prove it kook. >>>> >>>> Yes it is true and you have been given many references to prove it kook. >>>> >>>>> Studie for over a century show significant positive >>>>> results. All skeptic criticisms have been answered and they (you) still >>>>> refuse to accept the probabilities because of your diehard beliefs. Try >>>>> science instead of religion next time. >>>> >>>> Science means a study is repeatable kook. >>> >>> Drooler, probability is an essential technique of science. "Superpowers" >>> is not. >> >> No one but you said anything about "Superpowers" kook. >> >> Science is about repeatable experiments kook. >> >>>> Every study of the paranormal that showed positive results has failed >>>> subsequent scrutiny kook. >>> >>> Absolutely false. Even skeptical studies have shown some positive >>> results which they ignored because they are dishonest like you. >> >> Absolutely true and you have been given the references to show it is >> true while all you have done is arm wave, make unsubstantiated claims >> and call others liers kook. > > Exactly, Drooler. So you now want to play schoolyard games of did not > and did too! You are a total waste of time. Simply repeating your > opinion changes nothing. Opinion is not science, nutjob. Science is repeatable experimentation and paranormal experiments have never shown to withstand that scutinity. You have been given numerous references to show this is true. >>>> That means none of the studies you keep harping on about has been >>>> repeatable kook. >>> >>> Meta-analysis shows this argument totally false. >> >> Every study of the paranormal that showed positive results has failed >> subsequent scrutiny kook, which mean "Meta-analysis" has nothing to >> do with anything kook. > > Your statement is totally false. Contrary to your opinion the statement is true and you have been given numerous references to show it is true. <snip babble about analysis of bogus data> -- Jim Pennino
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| From | benj <benj@nobody.net> |
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| Date | 2016-12-31 21:06 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <58686435$0$36053$c3e8da3$76a7c58f@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #611105 |
On 12/31/2016 5:44 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote: >> On 12/30/2016 9:20 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote: >>>> On 12/30/2016 7:08 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote: >>>>>> On 12/29/2016 8:10 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> On 12/28/2016 1:01 AM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 12/27/2016 5:53 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "There is no source of deception in the investigation of nature which >>>>>>>>>>>> can compare with a fixed belief that certain kinds of phenomena are >>>>>>>>>>>> impossible." >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> William James >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Who also said: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "Religious Mysticism is only one half of mysticism, the other half is >>>>>>>>>>> composed of the insane and both of these are co-located in the 'great >>>>>>>>>>> subliminal or transmarginal region'. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> James held seances with Leonora Piper, dabbled in metaphysics, religion, >>>>>>>>>>> and mysticism and defeneded "The Will to Believe", the adoption of a >>>>>>>>>>> belief without prior evidence of its truth, i.e. religion, ghosts, etc. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So going to a seance makes one a kook? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Among other things like believing in ghosts, ESP, and remote viewing kook. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Your and HVAC's opinion is enough proof for any of the kooks here, >>>>>>>> right? Fist bump? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You have been given many references that show that every study of the >>>>>>> paranormal that showed positive results has failed subsequent scrutiny >>>>>>> so opinion has nothing to do with it kook. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is not true. >>>>> >>>>> Yes it is true and you have been given many references to prove it kook. >>>>> >>>>> Yes it is true and you have been given many references to prove it kook. >>>>> >>>>>> Studie for over a century show significant positive >>>>>> results. All skeptic criticisms have been answered and they (you) still >>>>>> refuse to accept the probabilities because of your diehard beliefs. Try >>>>>> science instead of religion next time. >>>>> >>>>> Science means a study is repeatable kook. >>>> >>>> Drooler, probability is an essential technique of science. "Superpowers" >>>> is not. >>> >>> No one but you said anything about "Superpowers" kook. >>> >>> Science is about repeatable experiments kook. >>> >>>>> Every study of the paranormal that showed positive results has failed >>>>> subsequent scrutiny kook. >>>> >>>> Absolutely false. Even skeptical studies have shown some positive >>>> results which they ignored because they are dishonest like you. >>> >>> Absolutely true and you have been given the references to show it is >>> true while all you have done is arm wave, make unsubstantiated claims >>> and call others liers kook. >> >> Exactly, Drooler. So you now want to play schoolyard games of did not >> and did too! You are a total waste of time. Simply repeating your >> opinion changes nothing. Opinion is not science, nutjob. > > Science is repeatable experimentation and paranormal experiments have > never shown to withstand that scutinity. > > You have been given numerous references to show this is true. > >>>>> That means none of the studies you keep harping on about has been >>>>> repeatable kook. >>>> >>>> Meta-analysis shows this argument totally false. >>> >>> Every study of the paranormal that showed positive results has failed >>> subsequent scrutiny kook, which mean "Meta-analysis" has nothing to >>> do with anything kook. >> >> Your statement is totally false. > > Contrary to your opinion the statement is true and you have been given > numerous references to show it is true. > > <snip babble about analysis of bogus data> > > Hardly a reference. Just someone who agrees with your bogus views.
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| Date | 2017-01-01 02:58 +0000 |
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benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote: > On 12/31/2016 5:44 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote: >>> On 12/30/2016 9:20 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote: >>>>> On 12/30/2016 7:08 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote: >>>>>>> On 12/29/2016 8:10 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 12/28/2016 1:01 AM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 12/27/2016 5:53 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "There is no source of deception in the investigation of nature which >>>>>>>>>>>>> can compare with a fixed belief that certain kinds of phenomena are >>>>>>>>>>>>> impossible." >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> William James >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Who also said: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "Religious Mysticism is only one half of mysticism, the other half is >>>>>>>>>>>> composed of the insane and both of these are co-located in the 'great >>>>>>>>>>>> subliminal or transmarginal region'. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> James held seances with Leonora Piper, dabbled in metaphysics, religion, >>>>>>>>>>>> and mysticism and defeneded "The Will to Believe", the adoption of a >>>>>>>>>>>> belief without prior evidence of its truth, i.e. religion, ghosts, etc. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So going to a seance makes one a kook? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Among other things like believing in ghosts, ESP, and remote viewing kook. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Your and HVAC's opinion is enough proof for any of the kooks here, >>>>>>>>> right? Fist bump? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You have been given many references that show that every study of the >>>>>>>> paranormal that showed positive results has failed subsequent scrutiny >>>>>>>> so opinion has nothing to do with it kook. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is not true. >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes it is true and you have been given many references to prove it kook. >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes it is true and you have been given many references to prove it kook. >>>>>> >>>>>>> Studie for over a century show significant positive >>>>>>> results. All skeptic criticisms have been answered and they (you) still >>>>>>> refuse to accept the probabilities because of your diehard beliefs. Try >>>>>>> science instead of religion next time. >>>>>> >>>>>> Science means a study is repeatable kook. >>>>> >>>>> Drooler, probability is an essential technique of science. "Superpowers" >>>>> is not. >>>> >>>> No one but you said anything about "Superpowers" kook. >>>> >>>> Science is about repeatable experiments kook. >>>> >>>>>> Every study of the paranormal that showed positive results has failed >>>>>> subsequent scrutiny kook. >>>>> >>>>> Absolutely false. Even skeptical studies have shown some positive >>>>> results which they ignored because they are dishonest like you. >>>> >>>> Absolutely true and you have been given the references to show it is >>>> true while all you have done is arm wave, make unsubstantiated claims >>>> and call others liers kook. >>> >>> Exactly, Drooler. So you now want to play schoolyard games of did not >>> and did too! You are a total waste of time. Simply repeating your >>> opinion changes nothing. Opinion is not science, nutjob. >> >> Science is repeatable experimentation and paranormal experiments have >> never shown to withstand that scutinity. >> >> You have been given numerous references to show this is true. >> >>>>>> That means none of the studies you keep harping on about has been >>>>>> repeatable kook. >>>>> >>>>> Meta-analysis shows this argument totally false. >>>> >>>> Every study of the paranormal that showed positive results has failed >>>> subsequent scrutiny kook, which mean "Meta-analysis" has nothing to >>>> do with anything kook. >>> >>> Your statement is totally false. >> >> Contrary to your opinion the statement is true and you have been given >> numerous references to show it is true. >> >> <snip babble about analysis of bogus data> >> >> > Hardly a reference. Just someone who agrees with your bogus views. Not "a reference", multiple references which included web sites, books, and reports. Not that you bothered to read any of them. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-01 07:07 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <342e7d36-34c8-4252-a63f-d7e519b0a56b@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #611096 |
BJ quacked Your statement is totally false. In fact, subsequent tests tat showed negative results were subsequently shown to be flawed. Meta-aqnalysis has EVERYTHING to do with it. You don't even know what it is, do you? Even without it lab experiments with ESP show statistically significant positive results. Yet you deny and deny. ---------- Lol. BJ not only believes in ghosts, he believes in ESP and ancient aliens. But he's not a kook. No no
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-01 07:12 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <477877fc-fdb8-4af5-9c7f-5eea0b88bc33@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #611195 |
What do you believe, HVAC? Anything you're told? ROTFLMAO
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| From | HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-01 09:34 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <06452f04-c19e-4fc0-83ce-d49d57085c86@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #611196 |
Poor John said What do you believe, HVAC? Anything you're told? -------- I believe in science. I believe in the svisit method of sorting fact from bullshit. I am a rationalist
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| From | Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-01 11:18 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <4fd9808f-d3c9-48ae-a9ca-93d232db75d1@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #611214 |
Learn to attribute properly HVAC, I think you drove away PointedEars. On Sunday, January 1, 2017 at 12:34:29 PM UTC-5, HVAC wrote: > Poor John said >> What do you believe, HVAC? >> Anything you're told? > -------- > > I believe in science. I believe in the svisit method of sorting fact > from bullshit. I am a rationalist Scientists do not believe in Science, they prove their ideas. Strike One. What in your hell HVAC is the svisit method? Strike two. I know rationalists, and you HVAC are no rationalist. Strike three. Out! https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=chaos+james+gleick+pdf is the mathematician credited with discovering fractals. Back in 1987ish. I think, my memory fades me, I attended lectures by him at UMCP. I love fractals! They're way better than turtles all the way up and down. O wait... curiouser and curiouser, UMCP's mascot is a turtle. WeirderER? -- Mahipal “IPMM... माहिपाल ७६३८: d(me) != 0 ... me alwa(y)s changes...”
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| From | HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-01 11:37 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <0efe0567-94fb-499c-ba1e-4093d64680a0@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #611225 |
Loopy says Learn to attribute properly HVAC, I think you drove away PointedEars. ----------- I have no idea of whom you speak but I deny your request anyway. - show quoted text - Scientists do not believe in Science, they prove their ideas. Strike One. What in your hell HVAC is the svisit method? ----------- It doesn't matter what anyone believes except me and it was a typo. I don't use auto correct and one snuck by. However to anyone of even marginal intelligence it should be obvious Strike two. I know rationalists, and you HVAC are no rationalist. Strike three. Out!
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