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  If a photon doesn’t experience time, then how can it travel? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 07:35 -0500
    Re: If a photon doesn’t experience time, then how can it travel? gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-09-14 07:46 -0500
    Re: If a photon doesn't experience time, then how can it travel? Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-09-14 16:26 -0700
      Re: If a photon doesn't experience time, then how can it travel? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 19:39 -0500
        Re: If a photon doesn't experience time, then how can it travel? gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-09-14 20:04 -0500
          suction of pumping e.g "nothin' noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 14:28 -0700
        Re: If a photon doesn't experience time, then how can it travel? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-09-15 01:23 +0000
          Re: If a photon doesn't experience time, then how can it travel? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 20:42 -0500
            Re: If a photon doesn't experience time, then how can it travel? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-09-15 04:15 +0000
              Re: If a photon doesn't experience time, then how can it travel? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 07:45 -0500
                Re: If a photon doesn't experience time, then how can it travel? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-09-15 17:56 +0000
        Re: If a photon doesn't experience time, then how can it travel? Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-09-15 13:11 -0700
          Re: If a photon doesn't experience time, then how can it travel? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-09-15 20:24 +0000
        Re: If a photon doesn't experience time, then how can it travel? GogoJF <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-16 19:24 -0700
          Re: If a photon doesn't experience time, then how can it travel? GogoJF <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-16 19:31 -0700
            Re: If a photon doesn't experience time, then how can it travel? GogoJF <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-16 19:33 -0700
            Re: If a photon doesn't experience time, then how can it travel? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-09-17 08:01 -0500
          Re: If a photon doesn't experience time, then how can it travel? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-09-17 07:59 -0500
            waves in the atoms of, y'know noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-09-17 16:48 -0700
      Re: If a photon doesn't experience time, then how can it travel? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2015-09-16 11:48 -0400
    Re: If a photon doesn't experience time, then how can it travel? "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 01:17 -0700
      Re: If a photon doesn't experience time, then how can it travel? "Dank Crankshaft" <invalid@example.com> - 2015-09-15 07:44 -0700
        Re: If a photon doesn't experience time, then how can it travel? "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 22:40 -0700
    Re: If a photon doesn't experience time, then how can it travel? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 15:48 -0700
      Re: If a photon doesn't experience time, then how can it travel? "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2015-09-15 20:30 -0700
    Re: If a photon doesn't experience time, then how can it travel? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 14:54 -0700
      gTf outta there noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 18:54 -0700

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#520998 — If a photon doesn’t experience time, then how can it travel?

If a photon doesn’t experience time, then how can it travel?
> http://www.askamathematician.com/2013/04/q-if-a-photon-doesnt-experience-time-then-how-can-it-travel/



> In order to move from one place to another always takes a little
> time, no matter how fast you’re traveling.  But “time slows down
> close to the speed of light”, and indeed at the speed of light no
> time passes at all.  So how can light get from one place to another?
> The short, unenlightening, somewhat irked answer is: look who’s
> asking.
>
> Time genuinely doesn’t pass from the “perspective” of a photon but,
> like everything in relativity, the situation isn’t as simple as
> photons “being in stasis” until they get where they’re going.
> Whenever there’s a “time effect” there’s a “distance effect” as well,
> and in this case we find that infinite time dilation (no time for
> photons) goes hand in hand with infinite length contraction (there’s
> no distance to the destination).
>


   Keep Reading:
> http://www.askamathematician.com/2013/04/q-if-a-photon-doesnt-experience-time-then-how-can-it-travel/



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On 9/14/2015 7:35 AM, Sam Wormley wrote:
> If a photon doesn’t experience time, then how can it travel?

>> Whenever there’s a “time effect” there’s a “distance effect” as well,
>> and in this case we find that infinite time dilation (no time for
>> photons) goes hand in hand with infinite length contraction (there’s
>> no distance to the destination).

...."no distance to the destination"   is wrong.

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#521173 — Re: If a photon doesn't experience time, then how can it travel?

On Monday, September 14, 2015 at 5:35:45 AM UTC-7, Sam Wormley wrote:
> If a photon doesn't experience time, then how can it travel?
> > http://www.askamathematician.com/2013/04/q-if-a-photon-doesnt-experience-time-then-how-can-it-travel/
> 
> 
> 
> > In order to move from one place to another always takes a little
> > time, no matter how fast you're traveling.  But "time slows down
> > close to the speed of light", and indeed at the speed of light no
> > time passes at all.  So how can light get from one place to another?
> > The short, unenlightening, somewhat irked answer is: look who's
> > asking.
> >
> > Time genuinely doesn't pass from the "perspective" of a photon but,
> > like everything in relativity, the situation isn't as simple as
> > photons "being in stasis" until they get where they're going.
> > Whenever there's a "time effect" there's a "distance effect" as well,
> > and in this case we find that infinite time dilation (no time for
> > photons) goes hand in hand with infinite length contraction (there's
> > no distance to the destination).


If there is no distance to the photon's destination, then why does the photon notice that surrounding clocks have advanced while it was in flight?

Double-A

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#521193 — Re: If a photon doesn't experience time, then how can it travel?

On 9/14/15 6:26 PM, Double-A wrote:
> If there is no distance to the photon's destination, then why does the photon notice that surrounding clocks have advanced while it was in flight?


   A photon is not a material object and is not an observer.



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#521195 — Re: If a photon doesn't experience time, then how can it travel?

On 9/14/2015 7:39 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
> On 9/14/15 6:26 PM, Double-A wrote:
>> If there is no distance to the photon's destination, then why does the
>> photon notice that surrounding clocks have advanced while it was in
>> flight?
>
>
>    A photon is not a material object and is not an observer.
>
which makes this senseless,

  " If a photon doesn't experience time, then how can it travel? "

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#521524 — suction of pumping e.g "nothin'

electromagnetism requires a)
electrons in free space, modulating their orbitals;
there is no "absolute (pascalian vacuum, and
even Pascal probably knew that, sOOn,
after ge invented it in an experiment
(maximum stage for a suction pump

>   " If a photon doesn't experience time, then how can it travel? "

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#521202 — Re: If a photon doesn't experience time, then how can it travel?

Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/14/15 6:26 PM, Double-A wrote:
>> If there is no distance to the photon's destination, then why does the photon notice that surrounding clocks have advanced while it was in flight?
> 
> 
>   A photon is not a material object and is not an observer.
 
Which means it can not "experience" anything. 
 

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#521205 — Re: If a photon doesn't experience time, then how can it travel?

On 9/14/15 8:23 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 9/14/15 6:26 PM, Double-A wrote:
>>> If there is no distance to the photon's destination, then why does the photon notice that surrounding clocks have advanced while it was in flight?
>>
>>
>>    A photon is not a material object and is not an observer.
>
> Which means it can not "experience" anything.
>
>

   Exactly.

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#521225 — Re: If a photon doesn't experience time, then how can it travel?

Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/14/15 8:23 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 9/14/15 6:26 PM, Double-A wrote:
>>>> If there is no distance to the photon's destination, then why does the photon notice that surrounding clocks have advanced while it was in flight?
>>>
>>>
>>>    A photon is not a material object and is not an observer.
>>
>> Which means it can not "experience" anything.
>>
>>
> 
>   Exactly.

Then why the puerile title, spamming shit head?
 

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#521250 — Re: If a photon doesn't experience time, then how can it travel?

On 9/14/15 11:15 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 9/14/15 8:23 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>> Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 9/14/15 6:26 PM, Double-A wrote:
>>>>> If there is no distance to the photon's destination, then why does the photon notice that surrounding clocks have advanced while it was in flight?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     A photon is not a material object and is not an observer.
>>>
>>> Which means it can not "experience" anything.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>    Exactly.
>
> Then why the puerile title, spamming shit head?
>
>

   You are not capable of understanding, jimp, otherwise you
   wouldn't be asking.



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#521320 — Re: If a photon doesn't experience time, then how can it travel?

Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/14/15 11:15 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 9/14/15 8:23 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>> Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 9/14/15 6:26 PM, Double-A wrote:
>>>>>> If there is no distance to the photon's destination, then why does the photon notice that surrounding clocks have advanced while it was in flight?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     A photon is not a material object and is not an observer.
>>>>
>>>> Which means it can not "experience" anything.
>>>>
>>>
>>>    Exactly.
>>
>> Then why the puerile title, spamming shit head?
>>
>   You are not capable of understanding, jimp, otherwise you
>   wouldn't be asking.
 
The truth is there is not an article title too puerile for a spamming
shit head like you to cut and paste, spamming shit head. 
 

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#521340 — Re: If a photon doesn't experience time, then how can it travel?

On Monday, September 14, 2015 at 5:39:50 PM UTC-7, Sam Wormley wrote:
> On 9/14/15 6:26 PM, Double-A wrote:
> > If there is no distance to the photon's destination, then why does the photon notice that surrounding clocks have advanced while it was in flight?
> 
> 
>    A photon is not a material object and is not an observer.
> 

A great side step!

Double-A

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#521347 — Re: If a photon doesn't experience time, then how can it travel?

Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> wrote:
> On Monday, September 14, 2015 at 5:39:50 PM UTC-7, Sam Wormley wrote:
>> On 9/14/15 6:26 PM, Double-A wrote:
>> > If there is no distance to the photon's destination, then why does the photon notice that surrounding clocks have advanced while it was in flight?
>> 
>> 
>>    A photon is not a material object and is not an observer.
>> 
> 
> A great side step!
> 
> Double-A

The spamming shit head seems to have only two talents: cut and paste
and avoiding questions.


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#521573 — Re: If a photon doesn't experience time, then how can it travel?

On Monday, September 14, 2015 at 7:39:50 PM UTC-5, Sam Wormley wrote:
> On 9/14/15 6:26 PM, Double-A wrote:
> > If there is no distance to the photon's destination, then why does the photon notice that surrounding clocks have advanced while it was in flight?
> 
> 
>    A photon is not a material object and is not an observer.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
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> community, and physics-related social issues.

Hi Sam. It is nice to see that you have begun to be more friendly of the instantaneous idea- that photon- when treated as particles do begin to demonstrate instantaneous measurability.  When we think of the work of Max Born and the physics of the double-slit experiment we automatically begin to measure the limit of the instrument - I think that we are technically beyond this- yet still do not know the knowledge of what the information provides.

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#521577 — Re: If a photon doesn't experience time, then how can it travel?

On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 9:25:05 PM UTC-5, GogoJF wrote:
> On Monday, September 14, 2015 at 7:39:50 PM UTC-5, Sam Wormley wrote:
> > On 9/14/15 6:26 PM, Double-A wrote:
> > > If there is no distance to the photon's destination, then why does the photon notice that surrounding clocks have advanced while it was in flight?
> > 
> > 
> >    A photon is not a material object and is not an observer.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > 
> > sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated
> > to the discussion of physics, news from the physics
> > community, and physics-related social issues.
> 
> Hi Sam. It is nice to see that you have begun to be more friendly of the instantaneous idea- that photon- when treated as particles do begin to demonstrate instantaneous measurability.  When we think of the work of Max Born and the physics of the double-slit experiment we automatically begin to measure the limit of the instrument - I think that we are technically beyond this- yet still do not know the knowledge of what the information provides.

philosophically, it comes down to two options:
1)  the parts of the whole lead to an infinite estimation through history
2)  There are "whole knowledge's" that when they are perceived- give an instantaneous picture.

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#521578 — Re: If a photon doesn't experience time, then how can it travel?

On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 9:31:11 PM UTC-5, GogoJF wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 9:25:05 PM UTC-5, GogoJF wrote:
> > On Monday, September 14, 2015 at 7:39:50 PM UTC-5, Sam Wormley wrote:
> > > On 9/14/15 6:26 PM, Double-A wrote:
> > > > If there is no distance to the photon's destination, then why does the photon notice that surrounding clocks have advanced while it was in flight?
> > > 
> > > 
> > >    A photon is not a material object and is not an observer.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > 
> > > sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated
> > > to the discussion of physics, news from the physics
> > > community, and physics-related social issues.
> > 
> > Hi Sam. It is nice to see that you have begun to be more friendly of the instantaneous idea- that photon- when treated as particles do begin to demonstrate instantaneous measurability.  When we think of the work of Max Born and the physics of the double-slit experiment we automatically begin to measure the limit of the instrument - I think that we are technically beyond this- yet still do not know the knowledge of what the information provides.
> 
> philosophically, it comes down to two options:
> 1)  the parts of the whole lead to an infinite estimation through history
> 2)  There are "whole knowledge's" that when they are perceived- give an instantaneous picture.

No matter how distorted that picture, image, or piece of information is.

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#521627 — Re: If a photon doesn't experience time, then how can it travel?

On 9/16/15 9:31 PM, GogoJF wrote:
> philosophically, it comes down to two options:
> 1)  the parts of the whole lead to an infinite estimation through history
> 2)  There are "whole knowledge's" that when they are perceived- give an instantaneous picture.


   Physics, on the other hand, is about observations and experiments
   yielding a better understanding of how things work and behave.

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#521626 — Re: If a photon doesn't experience time, then how can it travel?

On 9/16/15 9:24 PM, GogoJF wrote:
> Hi Sam. It is nice to see that you have begun to be more friendly of
> the instantaneous idea- that photon- when treated as particles do
> begin to demonstrate instantaneous measurability.  When we think of
> the work of Max Born and the physics of the double-slit experiment we
> automatically begin to measure the limit of the instrument - I think
> that we are technically beyond this- yet still do not know the
> knowledge of what the information provides.

   There is nothing instantaneous in this universe, Gogo. Everything,
   even earth hurled at two gigantic slits has wave-like properties.
   Everything -- We just don't notice.



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#521743 — waves in the atoms of, y'know

yes, but there is no absolute (pascalian vacuum,
without which there might be "particulate properties of lightwaves

just say, sAmmit

>    There is nothing instantaneous in this universe, Gogo. Everything,
>    even earth hurled at two gigantic slits has wave-like properties.
>    Everything -- We just don't notice.
> 
> 
> 
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#521461 — Re: If a photon doesn't experience time, then how can it travel?

On 14/09/2015 7:26 PM, Double-A wrote:
> On Monday, September 14, 2015 at 5:35:45 AM UTC-7, Sam Wormley wrote:
>> If a photon doesn't experience time, then how can it travel?
>>> http://www.askamathematician.com/2013/04/q-if-a-photon-doesnt-experience-time-then-how-can-it-travel/
>>
>>
>>
>>> In order to move from one place to another always takes a little
>>> time, no matter how fast you're traveling.  But "time slows down
>>> close to the speed of light", and indeed at the speed of light no
>>> time passes at all.  So how can light get from one place to another?
>>> The short, unenlightening, somewhat irked answer is: look who's
>>> asking.
>>>
>>> Time genuinely doesn't pass from the "perspective" of a photon but,
>>> like everything in relativity, the situation isn't as simple as
>>> photons "being in stasis" until they get where they're going.
>>> Whenever there's a "time effect" there's a "distance effect" as well,
>>> and in this case we find that infinite time dilation (no time for
>>> photons) goes hand in hand with infinite length contraction (there's
>>> no distance to the destination).
>
>
> If there is no distance to the photon's destination, then why does the photon notice that surrounding clocks have advanced while it was in flight?

The photon doesn't notice anything, it experiences nothing, no time nor 
any distance. It's creatures like us (i.e. made of matter) who do 
experience time and distance who notice its time and distance.

	Yousuf Khan

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