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Galaxies precess

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  Galaxies precess john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-02-05 05:34 -0800
    Re: Galaxies precess moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-02-05 16:41 +0000
      Re: Galaxies precess Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2019-02-05 18:34 +0100
        Re: Galaxies precess Serg Io <invvalid@invalid.com> - 2019-02-05 15:33 -0600
    Galaxies precess pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-02-05 09:41 -0800
      Re: Galaxies precess mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2019-02-05 12:03 -0800
    Re: Galaxies precess Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2019-02-05 14:02 -0800
      Re: Galaxies precess john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-02-05 17:06 -0800
        Re: Galaxies precess Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-02-06 01:35 +0000
        Re: Galaxies precess Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2019-02-06 02:54 +0100
          Re: Galaxies precess john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-02-06 01:29 -0800
            Re: Galaxies precess pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-02-06 17:53 -0800
              Re: Galaxies precess mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2019-02-06 18:36 -0800
                Re: Galaxies precess pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-02-06 20:24 -0800
              Re: Galaxies precess john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-02-07 00:20 -0800
                Re: Galaxies precess moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-02-07 13:30 +0000
                Re: Galaxies precess pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-02-07 10:43 -0800
                  Re: Galaxies precess john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-02-07 13:01 -0800
                    Re: Galaxies precess pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-02-07 14:38 -0800
                      Re: Galaxies precess john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-02-07 15:03 -0800
                      Re: Galaxies precess Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2019-02-08 00:03 +0100
                        Re: Galaxies precess mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2019-02-07 18:52 -0800
                          Re: Galaxies precess pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-02-07 20:59 -0800
                            Re: Galaxies precess mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2019-02-08 15:48 -0800
                              Re: Galaxies precess pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-02-08 16:05 -0800
                                Re: Galaxies precess mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2019-02-08 16:08 -0800
                        Re: Galaxies precess pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-02-07 20:43 -0800
                          Our Milky Way Galaxy is (roughly) spherical. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2019-02-08 01:10 -0800
                        Re: Galaxies precess Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-02-08 13:26 +0000
                          Re: Galaxies precess john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-02-08 05:34 -0800
                          Re: Galaxies precess john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-02-08 05:36 -0800
                            Re: Galaxies precess pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-02-08 12:29 -0800
                              Re: Galaxies precess john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-02-08 13:29 -0800
                                Re: Galaxies precess pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-02-08 15:57 -0800

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#725979 — Galaxies precess

From	john <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date	2019-02-05 05:34 -0800
Subject	Galaxies precess
Message-ID	<0efa1ae8-db54-4243-b010-44dd34a6630f@googlegroups.com>

It’s getting more and more obvious that galaxies precess:
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/feb/04/milky-way-is-warped-and-twisted-not-flat

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#725995

From	moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date	2019-02-05 16:41 +0000
Message-ID	<q3cec0$fok$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to	#725979

I don 't know, John. You seem to be starting to lose it. You keep
posting your OCD-fueled disproven crap despite being shown why it is
wrong, repeatedly, and now questionable borderline racist crap?

Besides, it is obvious that warped galaxies must be caused by the
invisible pink fairies pushing on them (some fairies are stronger than
others!), since invisible pink fairies violate fewer laws of physics
than magically precessing galaxies.

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#726000

From	Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date	2019-02-05 18:34 +0100
Message-ID	<7711391b-ec51-3a74-f3d7-be8a58878d03@PointedEars.de>
In reply to	#725995

Michael Moroney wrote:
> I don 't know, John. You seem to be starting to lose it. You keep
> posting your OCD-fueled disproven crap despite being shown why it is
> wrong, repeatedly, and now questionable borderline racist crap?
> 
> Besides, it is obvious that warped galaxies must be caused by the
> invisible pink fairies pushing on them (some fairies are stronger than
> others!), since invisible pink fairies violate fewer laws of physics
> than magically precessing galaxies.

Whatever you are replying to, it cannot be the OP that I have read.

The referred article was published in Nature and is solidly scientific.
Not even a hint of racism or crackpottery.

Perhaps *you* should take your pills.

-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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#726019

From	Serg Io <invvalid@invalid.com>
Date	2019-02-05 15:33 -0600
Message-ID	<q3cvfo$1p8f$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to	#726000

On 2/5/2019 11:34 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Michael Moroney wrote:
>> I don 't know, John. You seem to be starting to lose it. You keep
>> posting your OCD-fueled disproven crap despite being shown why it is
>> wrong, repeatedly, and now questionable borderline racist crap?
>>
>> Besides, it is obvious that warped galaxies must be caused by the
>> invisible pink fairies pushing on them (some fairies are stronger than
>> others!), since invisible pink fairies violate fewer laws of physics
>> than magically precessing galaxies.
> 
> Whatever you are replying to, it cannot be the OP that I have read.
> 
> The referred article was published in Nature and is solidly scientific.
> Not even a hint of racism or crackpottery.
> 
> Perhaps *you* should take your pills.
> 

yea, there was a 3 d rotatable diagram with it too,

shows the milky way as bent, like it had a collision before

very interesting

john found a good link

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#726001

From	pnalsing@gmail.com
Date	2019-02-05 09:41 -0800
Message-ID	<5e208172-fe02-4d0b-88eb-59c60e3181cc@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#725979

What makes you think that a warped galaxy precesses? There are tons of warped galaxies out there and they are warped for a vaiety of reasons.

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#726015

From	mitchrae3323@gmail.com
Date	2019-02-05 12:03 -0800
Message-ID	<d94d7029-775a-4108-92bb-784526fd1c7c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#726001

On Tuesday, February 5, 2019 at 9:41:07 AM UTC-8, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
> What makes you think that a warped galaxy precesses? There are tons of warped galaxies out there and they are warped for a vaiety of reasons.

No. Pnut. Outer galactic stars are all in orbit around a center...
God creates gravity.


Mitchell Raemsch

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#726022

From	Double-A <double-a3@hush.com>
Date	2019-02-05 14:02 -0800
Message-ID	<cb873998-d953-4c29-bec2-1b290110ea7f@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#725979

On Tuesday, February 5, 2019 at 5:34:32 AM UTC-8, john wrote:
> It’s getting more and more obvious that galaxies precess:
> https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/feb/04/milky-way-is-warped-and-twisted-not-flat

An amazing revelation!  What does it mean?  What is its implications?  Perhaps it would help explain why there are so many warped minds!

Double-A

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#726041

From	john <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date	2019-02-05 17:06 -0800
Message-ID	<c671f9bd-cab0-483a-9cde-319f6038a56d@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#726022

“. It took finding accurate distances to the Cepheid stars to make the stellar map clear. The new data also add a literal twist to the story, showing that the warp precesses, or turns. “The twisting of the warp is new,” says astronomer and study co-author Richard deGrijs of Macquarie University in Australia. “It’s been seen in a dozen other galaxies before, but not ours.”

In case you missed the ‘precesses’ part.

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#726044

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date	2019-02-06 01:35 +0000
Message-ID	<q3ddkj$1opc$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to	#726041

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> “. It took finding accurate distances to the Cepheid stars to make the
> stellar map clear. The new data also add a literal twist to the story,
> showing that the warp precesses, or turns. “The twisting of the warp is
> new,” says astronomer and study co-author Richard deGrijs of Macquarie
> University in Australia. “It’s been seen in a dozen other galaxies before, but not ours.”
> 
> In case you missed the ‘precesses’ part.
> 

The WARP precesses. Not the galaxy. 

And do you understand the axis of precession? It’s not perpendicular to the
axis of galactic rotation. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#726047

From	Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date	2019-02-06 02:54 +0100
Message-ID	<5078c0d6-5b2e-73d9-9c68-bf4078f118e4@PointedEars.de>
In reply to	#726041

john wrote:
> “. It took finding accurate distances to the Cepheid stars to make the stellar map clear. The new data also add a literal twist to the story, showing that the warp precesses, or turns. “The twisting of the warp is new,” says astronomer and study co-author Richard deGrijs of Macquarie University in Australia. “It’s been seen in a dozen other galaxies before, but not ours.”
> 
> In case you missed the ‘precesses’ part.

The *warp* of OUR galaxy precesses.  That is fundamentally different from
your claim that “galaxies precess”.

Do you even know what that word means?

-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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#726092

From	john <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date	2019-02-06 01:29 -0800
Message-ID	<226e4d92-7de7-43d4-ae18-dce2bba699ce@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#726047

Thomas
“The *warp* of OUR galaxy precesses.  That is fundamentally different from 
your claim that “galaxies precess”. ”
So.....how does the spherical halo happen?
A totally different process of some kind?

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#726151

From	pnalsing@gmail.com
Date	2019-02-06 17:53 -0800
Message-ID	<041b53d0-71d4-4918-8ae5-8eb4e33b34bc@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#726092

On Wednesday, February 6, 2019 at 1:29:44 AM UTC-8, john asked:

> So.....how does the spherical halo happen?

What does that have to do with warps or precession? Stay on track, you are easily distracted...

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#726157

From	mitchrae3323@gmail.com
Date	2019-02-06 18:36 -0800
Message-ID	<52c6f743-4c83-44fd-90ed-c3b916db68d2@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#726151

On Wednesday, February 6, 2019 at 5:53:19 PM UTC-8, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 6, 2019 at 1:29:44 AM UTC-8, john asked:
> 
> > So.....how does the spherical halo happen?
> 
> What does that have to do with warps or precession? Stay on track, you are easily distracted...

He's got the point Pnut. Halos would gravity tug from all sides
leaving no net gravitational speed up. GR is speed increase
that goes along with SR speed. GR has to obey SR. At a black hole
this is the first problem that rules them out.

God creates gravity.

Mitchell Raemsch

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#726178

From	pnalsing@gmail.com
Date	2019-02-06 20:24 -0800
Message-ID	<25d1edbc-86a5-4b91-9364-e100b2bdc6a2@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#726157

On Wednesday, February 6, 2019 at 6:36:40 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 6, 2019 at 5:53:19 PM UTC-8, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, February 6, 2019 at 1:29:44 AM UTC-8, john asked:
> > 
> > > So.....how does the spherical halo happen?
> > 
> > What does that have to do with warps or precession? Stay on track, you are easily distracted...
> 
> He's got the point Pnut. Halos would gravity tug from all sides
> leaving no net gravitational speed up. GR is speed increase
> that goes along with SR speed. GR has to obey SR. At a black hole
> this is the first problem that rules them out.
> 
> God creates gravity.
> 
> Mitchell Raemsch

Go back to sleep, Mitch...

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#726204

From	john <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date	2019-02-07 00:20 -0800
Message-ID	<bc721e53-6c4a-4504-9805-fc21462b19ed@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#726151

pnal
“
> So.....how does the spherical halo happen? 

What does that have to do with warps or precession? Stay on track, you are easily distracted... ”

Hmmm. Let’s see...
You have a spherical cavity with a disc sitting inside.
Gee.
I don’t know how the two could relate!!
Sorry

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#726225

From	moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date	2019-02-07 13:30 +0000
Message-ID	<q3hbti$jo$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to	#726204

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>pnal
>"
>> So.....how does the spherical halo happen?

>What does that have to do with warps or precession? Stay on track, you are
>easily distracted... "

>Hmmm. Let's see...
>You have a spherical cavity with a disc sitting inside.
>Gee.

Not cavity, halo of stars.

>I don't know how the two could relate!!

>Sorry

Yes John, no relation. You have to quit listening to your screaming OCD.

The halo stars are older and must have formed from gas with little
overall angular momentum to remain spherical.

Meanwhile, the disk stars are younger and apparently they formed from
gas with significant angular momentum for them to form a disc.

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#726247

From	pnalsing@gmail.com
Date	2019-02-07 10:43 -0800
Message-ID	<067dce9b-8818-4187-85cb-93a86b7ec5e0@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#726204

On Thursday, February 7, 2019 at 12:20:26 AM UTC-8, john wrote:
> pnal
> “
> > So.....how does the spherical halo happen? 
> 
> What does that have to do with warps or precession? Stay on track, you are easily distracted... ”
> 
> Hmmm. Let’s see...
> You have a spherical cavity with a disc sitting inside.
> Gee.
> I don’t know how the two could relate!!
> Sorry

What spherical cavity? What disk inside? More made-up stuff from John. Let's see your references... and here is one from me...

http://hubblesite.org/reference_desk/faq/answer.php.id=39&cat=galaxies

"Elliptical galaxies have a bulge-like central region and a halo, but do not have a disk."

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#726268

From	john <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date	2019-02-07 13:01 -0800
Message-ID	<26a2c644-8cc6-4bda-86e3-7b04bfc6e6bc@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#726247

pnal
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/07/110714101631.htm

Sorry pnal
You need to keep up

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#726277

From	pnalsing@gmail.com
Date	2019-02-07 14:38 -0800
Message-ID	<f5cd21f3-e83f-479b-a331-15c52cafd74f@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#726268

On Thursday, February 7, 2019 at 1:01:56 PM UTC-8, john wrote:
> pnal
> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/07/110714101631.htm
> 
> Sorry pnal
> You need to keep up

Interesting article, John, but like all the various sciences, theories are constantly being modified based on continuing research, and the conclusion of this particular study is not at all surprising to me. I have always felt that categorizing galaxies into specific little boxes was somehow not telling the whole story, and that there was some kind of continuum between these categories, which might show connections between them.

In this case, if you had read the article carefully you might have noticed this statement...

"... But because stars in a thin disc rotate much faster than those in a spheroid, obtaining maps of stellar motions for all elliptical galaxies in the sample, we have shown that out of these 66% are disc-like."

So, even if the number of galaxies formerly classified as being spherical has been reduced by about 66%, that still leaves 34% of them as being actual spherical galaxies, which DO NOT have associated disks.

Clearly, you need to stop making these black and white claims that are invariably shown to be incorrect, for they only show your own unscientific approach to whatever it is you are going on about at any given time. You constantly come up with these goofy off-the-wall claims that have little basis in fact and then wonder why everyone gives you crap about them. It's because you deserve it!

The simple fact of the matter is that not all galaxies have disks, and that is just the way it is. Deal with it.

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#726280

From	john <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date	2019-02-07 15:03 -0800
Message-ID	<33eba436-2f63-4dc1-a330-882f94219444@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#726277

pnal
“...(negative stuff...)”
Here’s another link with a video of the warped disc finding.
Can anyone tell me if the black line points towards Andromeda?
Because that’s the axis of precession, and in my model that’s the line along which atoms respond to gravity
https://www.facebook.com/InquisitivenessRules/videos/258949308335850/

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