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Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole

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  Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-11 16:55 -0800
    Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-11 17:02 -0800
      Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2019-01-11 19:43 -0800
    Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-12 04:36 +0000
      Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-12 05:12 -0800
        Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-12 15:27 +0000
          Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-12 14:11 -0800
            Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-12 22:23 +0000
            Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-12 14:34 -0800
            Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-13 00:33 +0000
              Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-12 18:46 -0800
                Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-13 12:40 +0000
                  Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-13 11:48 -0800
                    Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-13 21:05 +0000
                      Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-13 14:17 -0800
                        Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-13 22:24 +0000
                          Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-13 15:38 -0800
                            Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-14 01:05 +0000
                            Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-14 16:52 +0000
                        Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-13 22:34 +0000
                          Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-13 15:36 -0800
                            Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-14 16:49 +0000
                        Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-14 01:01 +0000
                    Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-14 00:57 +0000
                      Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-13 22:40 -0800
                Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2019-01-14 10:13 -0800
        Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-12 17:29 +0000
          Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2019-01-12 11:06 -0800
        Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2019-01-12 20:42 +0100
    Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-11 21:24 -0800
    Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2019-01-12 00:20 -0800
    Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2019-01-18 14:04 -0800
      Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2019-01-18 18:44 -0800
        Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2019-01-19 12:40 -0800
      Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-18 20:21 -0800
        Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2019-01-19 12:42 -0800
          Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Earle Jones <earledjones@icloud.com> - 2019-01-19 12:54 -0800
      Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-19 05:39 +0000
        Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-18 22:15 -0800
          Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-19 07:00 +0000
            Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-19 01:22 -0800
              Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-19 15:12 +0000
                Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-19 16:52 +0000
                  Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-19 09:28 -0800
              Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-19 16:22 +0000
                Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole "Sir Gregory Hall,  Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> - 2019-01-19 11:39 -0500
                  Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-20 20:50 -0800
                    Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-21 07:01 -0800
                      Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-21 15:18 +0000
                      Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-21 09:26 -0800
                        Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-21 11:38 -0800
                          Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-21 12:13 -0800
                            Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-21 14:45 -0800
                              Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-21 16:16 -0800
                                Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-21 17:11 -0800
                                  Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-21 17:43 -0800
                                Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-21 17:14 -0800
                                  Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2019-01-21 17:30 -0800
                                    Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-21 17:52 -0800
                                      Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2019-01-21 18:07 -0800
                                        Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-21 20:05 -0800
                                          Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-21 20:37 -0800
                                            Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-22 07:03 -0800
                                              Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-22 07:40 -0800
                                                Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-22 08:05 -0800
                                                Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-22 16:11 +0000
                                                  Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-22 09:14 -0800
                                                    Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2019-01-22 13:04 -0800
                                                      Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2019-01-22 14:13 -0800
                                                    Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-23 00:09 +0000
                                                Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-22 15:42 -0800
                                                  Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-22 16:27 -0800
                                                    Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-22 17:05 -0800
                                                      Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-22 20:39 -0800
                                                        Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-22 20:53 -0800
                                                          Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-22 21:19 -0800
                                                        Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-23 05:33 +0000
                                                          Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-22 21:43 -0800
                                                            Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-22 21:50 -0800
                                                              Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-23 02:10 -0800
                                                                Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-23 11:20 +0000
                                                                Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-23 20:33 -0800
                                                                  Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-25 05:24 -0800
                                                                    Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-25 10:20 -0800
                                                                      Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-25 10:41 -0800
                                                                      Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-25 19:05 +0000
                                                                    Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-25 18:56 +0000
                                                                      Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-25 13:18 -0800
                                                                        Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-25 23:32 +0000
                                                                    Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-25 12:20 -0800
                                                                      Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-25 13:21 -0800
                                                                        Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-25 23:32 +0000
                                                                        Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-25 19:39 -0800
                                                                          Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-25 23:19 -0800
                                                                            Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2019-01-26 12:53 -0800
                                                                              Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-26 14:25 -0800
                                                                                Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2019-01-27 11:42 -0800
                                                                          Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-26 09:56 -0800
                                                                      Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2019-01-26 19:13 -0800
                                                                    Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-25 23:32 +0000
                                                                      Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-25 16:49 -0800
                                                                        Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-26 01:05 +0000
                                                            Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-23 11:20 +0000
                                                    Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2019-01-22 20:48 -0800
                                                      Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-22 20:54 -0800
                                                  Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole "Chris M. Thomasson" <ahh_f_it@crap.nothing> - 2019-01-22 19:33 -0800
                                                    Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-22 20:41 -0800
                                          Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-22 12:52 +0000
                                            Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-22 05:38 -0800
                                              Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-22 15:37 +0000
                                  Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-21 17:51 -0800
            Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-19 01:31 -0800
              Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-19 16:37 +0000
          Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-19 15:12 +0000

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#723100 — Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-11 16:55 -0800
SubjectAnother RAPIDLY spinning black hole
Message-ID<5f88bdc6-3fbf-42f7-8d29-940db77bfa19@googlegroups.com>
http://www.astronomy.com/news/2019/01/astronomers-clock-a-black-hole-spinning-at-half-the-speed-of-light

Half the speed of light will probably shred matter

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#723101

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-11 17:02 -0800
Message-ID<db63fbea-f973-42d0-ba26-50b4746d0807@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#723100
http://www.astronomy.com/news/2019/01/astronomers-clock-a-black-hole-spinning-at-half-the-speed-of-light
Actually, they say it could be faster.

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#723112

Frommitchrae3323@gmail.com
Date2019-01-11 19:43 -0800
Message-ID<d49a01cf-bc8d-4571-af2a-029d626f4030@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#723101
On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 5:02:11 PM UTC-8, john wrote:
> http://www.astronomy.com/news/2019/01/astronomers-clock-a-black-hole-spinning-at-half-the-speed-of-light
> Actually, they say it could be faster.

How would we see gravity rotate?
No. God creates gravity.

Mitchell Raemsch

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#723115

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2019-01-12 04:36 +0000
Message-ID<q1bqt6$qtr$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#723100
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>http://www.astronomy.com/news/2019/01/astronomers-clock-a-black-hole-spinning-at-half-the-speed-of-light

And... ?

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#723135

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-12 05:12 -0800
Message-ID<1dee9f8f-3e45-4d0b-9c42-2904b44c14f8@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#723115
MM
“john <johnse...@gmail.com> writes: 

>http://www.astronomy.com/news/2019/01/astronomers-clock-a-black-hole-spinning-at-half-the-speed-of-light 

And..?”

Black holes are SPINNING SPACE.
Space is composed of the next-size Fractal Matter down (and all the smaller-gauge ones).
These smaller gauges of matter CAN spin at those speeds. Ours can’t.

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#723140

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-12 15:27 +0000
Message-ID<q1d10i$2uj$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#723135
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> MM
> “john <johnse...@gmail.com> writes: 
> 
>> http://www.astronomy.com/news/2019/01/astronomers-clock-a-black-hole-spinning-at-half-the-speed-of-light
>> 
> 
> And..?”
> 
> Black holes are SPINNING SPACE.
> Space is composed of the next-size Fractal Matter down (and all the smaller-gauge ones).
> These smaller gauges of matter CAN spin at those speeds. Ours can’t.
> 

Well, I’m pretty sure they didn’t say any of that. 

I’m a little intrigued by your claim that matter can’t spin at high speeds.
What makes you say that?

Let me put it another way. What do you think holds matter together? And
what is the limit of that binding force?

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#723201

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-12 14:11 -0800
Message-ID<f36c5455-22c7-4474-a13d-43f7cc129ae9@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#723140
Odd
“What do you think holds matter together?”
I think that negative charges are attracted to positive charges.

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#723203

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2019-01-12 22:23 +0000
Message-ID<q1dpch$82a$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#723201
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Odd
>"What do you think holds matter together?"
>I think that negative charges are attracted to positive charges.

So what holds the sun together? With the enormous pressures involved,
why doesn't the sun just go poof as a giant cloud of gas?

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#723205

Frompnalsing@gmail.com
Date2019-01-12 14:34 -0800
Message-ID<9d576191-e702-4a62-b398-07bb5a50b33a@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#723201
On Saturday, January 12, 2019 at 2:11:27 PM UTC-8, john wrote:

> Odd
> “What do you think holds matter together?”

> I think that negative charges are attracted to positive charges.

Learn something for once, John...

http://wtamu.edu/~cbaird/sq/2013/05/22/why-is-gravity-the-strongest-force/

... you can read, right?

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#723219

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-13 00:33 +0000
Message-ID<q1e0vv$ikp$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#723201
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> “What do you think holds matter together?”
> I think that negative charges are attracted to positive charges.
> 

Well that’s interesting because you think attractive forces are impossible.


But let’s take it as revelation on your part. 

So what is the strength of that attraction that spinning at high speed will
break that maximum attraction?

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#723227

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-12 18:46 -0800
Message-ID<8f66ddb8-c7f8-49c2-8886-a7e4332ee6d4@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#723219
Odd
“So what is the strength of that attraction that spinning at high speed will 
break that maximum attraction? ”
If you turn an electron in a circle, you get a magnetic field at right angles.
If there is a proton also turning in the same circle, it will produce the opposite field.
What do you suppose will then happen, Odd?

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#723247

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-13 12:40 +0000
Message-ID<q1fbjq$5fi$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#723227
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> “So what is the strength of that attraction that spinning at high speed will 
> break that maximum attraction? ”
> If you turn an electron in a circle, you get a magnetic field at right angles.
> If there is a proton also turning in the same circle, it will produce the opposite field.
> What do you suppose will then happen, Odd?
> 

The fields will cancel. Why? What do you think will happen? 

If I whirl a rubber ball around my head, are you saying there are magnetic
fields generated? Where? Are they measurable? 


-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#723258

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-13 11:48 -0800
Message-ID<f66dd442-6b6c-4ab5-ab04-0a4226c887ae@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#723247
Odd
“The fields will cancel. ”
So, when two opposite magnets are right against each other, the fields ‘cancel’?
They don’t push each other apart?
Gee- I must be misremembering something

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#723267

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-13 21:05 +0000
Message-ID<q1g96j$e66$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#723258
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> “The fields will cancel. ”
> So, when two opposite magnets are right against each other, the fields ‘cancel’?
> They don’t push each other apart?
> Gee- I must be misremembering something
> 

Well yeah, kinda. First of all, it’s like poles that repel. 

Secondly, the magnetic field due to a circling charge does not emanate from
the charge. It is in fact strongest near the center of the circle the
charge is circumnavigating and is zero where the charge actually is. You
can find pictures of this. So if you have a circulating electron and a
circulating proton in the same orbit, will they repel each other away from
the plane of the orbit magnetically? No. 

Third, let’s compare your idea with common sense. A little wooden ball is
filled full of zillions of protons and electrons. So put the wooden ball on
the end of a string and whirl it. According to you, the protons and
electrons that are all going around in the same circle are going to push
each other away, so that one side of the ball becomes positively charged
and the other side becomes negatively charged. So, does this actually
happen in real life? Does it happen with tires? Does it happen with turbine
blades? Does it happen with a metal axle? Anyplace?

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#723271

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-13 14:17 -0800
Message-ID<c23037bf-275a-4ca6-b1ab-186fa0fb72d4@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#723267
Odd
“First of all, it’s like poles that repel. ”
Opposite magnetic fields are pointed in opposite directions- so, yes, their ‘like’ poles will be facing each other.
You have SO MUCH difficulty with English- no wonder you can’t describe your model verbally.

Those stars whirling around the BH are shredded.
What do YOU think causes that? They get dizzy and ‘swarm’?
:)

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#723272

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-13 22:24 +0000
Message-ID<q1gdrp$13e9$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#723271
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> “First of all, it’s like poles that repel. ”
> Opposite magnetic fields are pointed in opposite directions- so, yes,
> their ‘like’ poles will be facing each other.
> You have SO MUCH difficulty with English- no wonder you can’t describe your model verbally.
> 
> Those stars whirling around the BH are shredded.
> What do YOU think causes that? They get dizzy and ‘swarm’?
> :)
> 

That’s obvious John, and it’s even talked about in those papers you mention
but don’t read. 

Infalling matter heats up as it approaches the horizon. And before it gets
there, that superheated matter radiates high energy gammas and X-rays. And
that blasts surrounding matter, just like gamma radiation therapy for
cancer blasts biological tissue. Just twenty or thirty orders of magnitude
more intense. 

And did you note the other problems with your idea? 
By the way, oppositely directed magnetic FIELDS do not push each other. The
magnets do, but the fields cancel. Look at a diagram of the field around
two bar magnets. What’s the strength of the field along a line between
those poles? You should be able to read it from the field line diagram.
Remember I taught you how to read those?

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#723282

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-13 15:38 -0800
Message-ID<c85f870f-e146-44ca-ba26-a0a4080964fa@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#723272
Odd
“Infalling matter heats up as it approaches the horizon. And before it gets 
there, that superh”
So superheating matter causes it to blast away at right angles to the spin that heats it.
Gotcha

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#723293

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2019-01-14 01:05 +0000
Message-ID<q1gn8r$j2j$3@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#723282
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Odd
>"Infalling matter heats up as it approaches the horizon. And before it gets
>there, that superh"
>So superheating matter causes it to blast away at right angles to the spin
>that heats it.
>Gotcha

All the stuff in the disk is colliding at extreme velocities. The mechanism
is complicated but matter is ejected outward from the face of the disk mostly
near the hole and GR effects and magnetic fields confine the matter to jets.

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#723330

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-14 16:52 +0000
Message-ID<q1ienr$31f$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#723282
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> “Infalling matter heats up as it approaches the horizon. And before it gets 
> there, that superh”
> So superheating matter causes it to blast away at right angles to the spin that heats it.
> Gotcha
> 

Huh? 

Look at solar flares and prominences. Fusion and gravitational compression
superheats the gases which exerts an outward pressure in that gas. But the
path of the mass so heated is tightly constrained by local magnetic fields
(which are NOT the source of the outward pressure on the heated matter),
which is why you see them in arches and filaments rather than just blasting
outward. 

Don’t oversimplify. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#723275

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-13 22:34 +0000
Message-ID<q1ged8$15t9$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#723271
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> “First of all, it’s like poles that repel. ”
> Opposite magnetic fields are pointed in opposite directions- so, yes,
> their ‘like’ poles will be facing each other.
> You have SO MUCH difficulty with English- no wonder you can’t describe your model verbally.

If it helps, John, let’s correct one simple misconception. Around a pair of
permanent magnets, there is ONE magnetic field. At any point in the space
around the magnets, you can calculate THE magnetic field as the sum of
contributions from the two magnets, but it’s still ONE field. This is
explained in the basic books you never read. 

> 
> Those stars whirling around the BH are shredded.
> What do YOU think causes that? They get dizzy and ‘swarm’?
> :)
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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