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Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole

Started byjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
First post2019-01-11 16:55 -0800
Last post2019-01-19 15:12 +0000
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  Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-11 16:55 -0800
    Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-11 17:02 -0800
      Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2019-01-11 19:43 -0800
    Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-12 04:36 +0000
      Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-12 05:12 -0800
        Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-12 15:27 +0000
          Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-12 14:11 -0800
            Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-12 22:23 +0000
            Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-12 14:34 -0800
            Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-13 00:33 +0000
              Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-12 18:46 -0800
                Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-13 12:40 +0000
                  Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-13 11:48 -0800
                    Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-13 21:05 +0000
                      Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-13 14:17 -0800
                        Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-13 22:24 +0000
                          Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-13 15:38 -0800
                            Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-14 01:05 +0000
                            Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-14 16:52 +0000
                        Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-13 22:34 +0000
                          Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-13 15:36 -0800
                            Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-14 16:49 +0000
                        Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-14 01:01 +0000
                    Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-14 00:57 +0000
                      Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-13 22:40 -0800
                Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2019-01-14 10:13 -0800
        Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-12 17:29 +0000
          Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2019-01-12 11:06 -0800
        Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2019-01-12 20:42 +0100
    Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-11 21:24 -0800
    Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2019-01-12 00:20 -0800
    Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2019-01-18 14:04 -0800
      Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2019-01-18 18:44 -0800
        Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2019-01-19 12:40 -0800
      Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-18 20:21 -0800
        Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2019-01-19 12:42 -0800
          Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Earle Jones <earledjones@icloud.com> - 2019-01-19 12:54 -0800
      Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-19 05:39 +0000
        Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-18 22:15 -0800
          Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-19 07:00 +0000
            Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-19 01:22 -0800
              Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-19 15:12 +0000
                Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-19 16:52 +0000
                  Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-19 09:28 -0800
              Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-19 16:22 +0000
                Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole "Sir Gregory Hall,  Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> - 2019-01-19 11:39 -0500
                  Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-20 20:50 -0800
                    Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-21 07:01 -0800
                      Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-21 15:18 +0000
                      Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-21 09:26 -0800
                        Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-21 11:38 -0800
                          Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-21 12:13 -0800
                            Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-21 14:45 -0800
                              Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-21 16:16 -0800
                                Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-21 17:11 -0800
                                  Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-21 17:43 -0800
                                Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-21 17:14 -0800
                                  Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2019-01-21 17:30 -0800
                                    Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-21 17:52 -0800
                                      Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2019-01-21 18:07 -0800
                                        Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-21 20:05 -0800
                                          Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-21 20:37 -0800
                                            Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-22 07:03 -0800
                                              Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-22 07:40 -0800
                                                Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-22 08:05 -0800
                                                Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-22 16:11 +0000
                                                  Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-22 09:14 -0800
                                                    Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2019-01-22 13:04 -0800
                                                      Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2019-01-22 14:13 -0800
                                                    Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-23 00:09 +0000
                                                Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-22 15:42 -0800
                                                  Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-22 16:27 -0800
                                                    Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-22 17:05 -0800
                                                      Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-22 20:39 -0800
                                                        Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-22 20:53 -0800
                                                          Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-22 21:19 -0800
                                                        Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-23 05:33 +0000
                                                          Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-22 21:43 -0800
                                                            Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-22 21:50 -0800
                                                              Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-23 02:10 -0800
                                                                Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-23 11:20 +0000
                                                                Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-23 20:33 -0800
                                                                  Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-25 05:24 -0800
                                                                    Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-25 10:20 -0800
                                                                      Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-25 10:41 -0800
                                                                      Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-25 19:05 +0000
                                                                    Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-25 18:56 +0000
                                                                      Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-25 13:18 -0800
                                                                        Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-25 23:32 +0000
                                                                    Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-25 12:20 -0800
                                                                      Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-25 13:21 -0800
                                                                        Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-25 23:32 +0000
                                                                        Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-25 19:39 -0800
                                                                          Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-25 23:19 -0800
                                                                            Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2019-01-26 12:53 -0800
                                                                              Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-26 14:25 -0800
                                                                                Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2019-01-27 11:42 -0800
                                                                          Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-26 09:56 -0800
                                                                      Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2019-01-26 19:13 -0800
                                                                    Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-25 23:32 +0000
                                                                      Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-25 16:49 -0800
                                                                        Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-26 01:05 +0000
                                                            Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-23 11:20 +0000
                                                    Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2019-01-22 20:48 -0800
                                                      Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-22 20:54 -0800
                                                  Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole "Chris M. Thomasson" <ahh_f_it@crap.nothing> - 2019-01-22 19:33 -0800
                                                    Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-22 20:41 -0800
                                          Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-22 12:52 +0000
                                            Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-22 05:38 -0800
                                              Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-22 15:37 +0000
                                  Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-21 17:51 -0800
            Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-19 01:31 -0800
              Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-19 16:37 +0000
          Re: Another RAPIDLY spinning black hole Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-19 15:12 +0000

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#723283

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-13 15:36 -0800
Message-ID<69b2516a-8752-442c-b200-793b674a6fdc@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#723275
Odd
“there is ONE magnetic field. At any point in the space 
around the magnets, you can ca”
So you’re saying that a signal light in your car doesn’t work.
Gotcha

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#723328

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-14 16:49 +0000
Message-ID<q1iejd$28c$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#723283
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> “there is ONE magnetic field. At any point in the space 
> around the magnets, you can ca”
> So you’re saying that a signal light in your car doesn’t work.
> Gotcha
> 

Sorry? How do you think signal lights work?

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#723292

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2019-01-14 01:01 +0000
Message-ID<q1gn0t$j2j$2@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#723271
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:


>Those stars whirling around the BH are shredded.
>What do YOU think causes that? They get dizzy and 'swarm'?
>:)

The Roche Limit. Every gravitating body has one. Saturn's Rings aren't a
moon because they're within the Roche Limit of Saturn. They are either
a "shredded" moon or debris that can never form into a moon. Saturn's
rings are almost like an accretion disk.

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#723291

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2019-01-14 00:57 +0000
Message-ID<q1gmpm$j2j$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#723258
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Odd
>"The fields will cancel. "
>So, when two opposite magnets are right against each other, the fields 'cancel'?
>They don't push each other apart?
>Gee- I must be misremembering something

I guess you do misremember something. They would be opposite, S to N and N to S,
so would ATTRACT each other, not repel.

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#723306

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-13 22:40 -0800
Message-ID<1fd581e3-8a27-45af-b5f8-54db009a32ef@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#723291
MM
“guess you do misremember something. They would be opposite, S to N and N to S, 
so would ATTRACT each other, not repel. ”
Well, Michael, I’m sure you’ll figure it out.
I suggest you get some bar magnets and lay them down in a line pointing the same way, and then pointing the opposite way and see

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#723342

FromEdward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-14 10:13 -0800
Message-ID<103aa250-34db-4b6b-b3d6-5e008665a4c3@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#723227
On Saturday, January 12, 2019 at 9:46:44 PM UTC-5, john wrote:
> Odd
> “So what is the strength of that attraction that spinning at high speed will 
> break that maximum attraction? ”
> If you turn an electron in a circle, you get a magnetic field at right angles.
> If there is a proton also turning in the same circle, it will
> produce the opposite field.

Problem:
How are you going to get Both particles moving like that?

You might get the electron moving around a circle using a wire,
but that's hard to do with a proton.

> What do you suppose will then happen, Odd?

But supposing it is possible, the fields would cancel.
(assuming macroscopic or non-quantum scale.)

It would be very difficult to test using just
one proton and one electron.

So what is the goal of this question? What do you seek to prove?

Ed

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#723146

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2019-01-12 17:29 +0000
Message-ID<q1d85v$2pd$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#723135
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Black holes are SPINNING SPACE.

Evidence? As your fellow kook always says: "Assertion is not evidence."

>These smaller gauges of matter CAN spin at those speeds. Ours can't.

Again,  assertion is not evidence, and why do you believe that?

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#723167

Frommitchrae3323@gmail.com
Date2019-01-12 11:06 -0800
Message-ID<ced47692-bad3-4a67-8aa0-68a02931441b@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#723146
On Saturday, January 12, 2019 at 9:29:38 AM UTC-8, Michael Moroney wrote:
> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> >Black holes are SPINNING SPACE.

Not at all. How would we see the undetectable rotate?

> 
> Evidence? As your fellow kook always says: "Assertion is not evidence."
> 
> >These smaller gauges of matter CAN spin at those speeds. Ours can't.
> 
> Again,  assertion is not evidence, and why do you believe that?

God creates gravity.

Mitchell Raemsch

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#723173

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2019-01-12 20:42 +0100
Message-ID<fce0db4d-9f6e-a01b-8c2b-cb7bfa6b9af5@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#723135
john wrote:
> “john <johnse...@gmail.com> writes: 
>> http://www.astronomy.com/news/2019/01/astronomers-clock-a-black-hole-spinning-at-half-the-speed-of-light 
> 
> […]
> Black holes are SPINNING SPACE.

Whether that sentence is remotely correct depends on how one parses it:
“spinning” as the adjective of “space”, or “are spinning” as the verb of
“black holes” (passive: “space is spun *by* black holes”)?

Only the latter is remotely correct, because *rotating* black holes not
only curve spacetime, but also *twist* space*time* around them, or IOW
spacetime is *twisted by* rotating black holes:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole#Ergosphere> p.

The conservation of angular momentum suggests that most black holes are
rotating.

This is a subject for sci.physics.relativity instead.  Followup-To set.

> Space is composed of the next-size Fractal Matter down (and all the smaller-gauge ones).
> These smaller gauges of matter CAN spin at those speeds. Ours can’t.

Not even wrong.

-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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#723116

Frompnalsing@gmail.com
Date2019-01-11 21:24 -0800
Message-ID<feaebd3d-1014-4289-bdd5-12b328298a77@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#723100
On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 4:55:58 PM UTC-8, john wrote:
> http://www.astronomy.com/news/2019/01/astronomers-clock-a-black-hole-spinning-at-half-the-speed-of-light
> 
> Half the speed of light will probably shred matter

Great article! Nice to be on the cutting edge of research, isn't it?

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#723130

FromEdward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-12 00:20 -0800
Message-ID<68176396-7ca5-465e-bd94-665b42145200@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#723100
On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 7:55:58 PM UTC-5, john wrote:
> http://www.astronomy.com/news/2019/01/astronomers-clock-a-black-hole-spinning-at-half-the-speed-of-light
> 
> Half the speed of light will probably shred matter

yeah, that's w3hat they said:
"By observing the X-rays blasting from a star torn apart by
 a black hole, a team of researchers were able to calculate
 how fast the black hole spins — clocking it at nearly 50 percent
 the speed of light."

Enjoy
  Ed

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#723839

FromDouble-A <double-a3@hush.com>
Date2019-01-18 14:04 -0800
Message-ID<670a3af4-337e-4975-9783-b17fb341b755@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#723100
On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 4:55:58 PM UTC-8, john wrote:
> http://www.astronomy.com/news/2019/01/astronomers-clock-a-black-hole-spinning-at-half-the-speed-of-light
> 
> Half the speed of light will probably shred matter


What do you mean by "shred"?

Double-A

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#723886

Frommitchrae3323@gmail.com
Date2019-01-18 18:44 -0800
Message-ID<f7628157-4ad4-417c-8a1b-707ef27010fa@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#723839
On Friday, January 18, 2019 at 2:04:28 PM UTC-8, Double-A wrote:
> On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 4:55:58 PM UTC-8, john wrote:
> > http://www.astronomy.com/news/2019/01/astronomers-clock-a-black-hole-spinning-at-half-the-speed-of-light
> > 
> > Half the speed of light will probably shred matter
> 
> 
> What do you mean by "shred"?
> 
> Double-A

An infinitely small point(singularity) has
no radius to turn by.

Space is unmarked and gravity is invisible
field in it. We could never measure a rotation
of black hole space...

No. Black holes don't exist. Neutronium star is end state matter...
not a collapsar singularity. Hawking said it himself in math
but he went back on it... maybe to be famous later on.
He original said that GR predicting singularities
predicts its own down fall. But that is only real
for black hole maximum gravity not for the real
neutronium star maximum gravity. Neutronium maximum
gravity doesn't violate any right math. Hawking said
singularities do. GR is only right in a limiting case.


Mathematical God creates gravitations.
 
Mitchell Raemsch

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#723968

FromDouble-A <double-a3@hush.com>
Date2019-01-19 12:40 -0800
Message-ID<5e455bc1-aa1d-4a53-900d-e88a21b074a1@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#723886
On Friday, January 18, 2019 at 6:44:32 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, January 18, 2019 at 2:04:28 PM UTC-8, Double-A wrote:
> > On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 4:55:58 PM UTC-8, john wrote:
> > > http://www.astronomy.com/news/2019/01/astronomers-clock-a-black-hole-spinning-at-half-the-speed-of-light
> > > 
> > > Half the speed of light will probably shred matter
> > 
> > 
> > What do you mean by "shred"?
> > 
> > Double-A
> 
> An infinitely small point(singularity) has
> no radius to turn by.


So I guess by definition that puts rotation out of the question1

Double-A

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#723900

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-18 20:21 -0800
Message-ID<b702aa87-7951-4543-b1a8-0ceed257f576@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#723839
AA
“What do you mean ‘shred?”

I guess whatever they meant here:

https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/swift/bursts/shredded-star.html
“....Astronomers soon converged on the idea that what they were seeing was the aftermath of a truly extraordinary event -- the awakening of a distant galaxy's dormant black hole as it shredded and gobbled up a passing star.”

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#723970

FromDouble-A <double-a3@hush.com>
Date2019-01-19 12:42 -0800
Message-ID<d21ce19f-72a2-4cc4-bdd8-688d662eade3@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#723900
On Friday, January 18, 2019 at 8:21:12 PM UTC-8, john wrote:
> AA
> “What do you mean ‘shred?”
> 
> I guess whatever they meant here:
> 
> https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/swift/bursts/shredded-star.html
> “....Astronomers soon converged on the idea that what they were seeing was the aftermath of a truly extraordinary event -- the awakening of a distant galaxy's dormant black hole as it shredded and gobbled up a passing star.”


I know that Shredded Wheat was my granddad's favorite breakfast food.  But Shredded Stars?  I havn't heard of that brand!

Double-A

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#723972

FromEarle Jones <earledjones@icloud.com>
Date2019-01-19 12:54 -0800
Message-ID<2019011912542652370-earledjones@icloudcom>
In reply to#723970
On 2019-01-19 20:42:32 +0000, Double-A said:

> On Friday, January 18, 2019 at 8:21:12 PM UTC-8, john wrote:
>> AA
>> “What do you mean ‘shred?”
>> 
>> I guess whatever they meant here:
>> 
>> https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/swift/bursts/shredded-star.html
>> “....Astronomers soon converged on the idea that what they were seeing 
>> was the aftermath of a truly extraordinary event -- the awakening of a 
>> distant galaxy's dormant black hole as it shredded and gobbled up a 
>> passing star.”
> 
> 
> I know that Shredded Wheat was my granddad's favorite breakfast food.  
> But Shredded Stars?  I havn't heard of that brand!
> 
> Double-A

*
On Navsky Bridge a Russian stood,
Chewing his beard for lack of food.
"This stuff," he said, "Is tough to eat,
But a damn sight better than Shredded Wheat."

(from Roger in the London Office)

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#723910

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2019-01-19 05:39 +0000
Message-ID<q1ud5p$u23$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#723839
Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> writes:

>On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 4:55:58 PM UTC-8, john wrote:
>> http://www.astronomy.com/news/2019/01/astronomers-clock-a-black-hole-spinning-at-half-the-speed-of-light
>> 
>> Half the speed of light will probably shred matter


>What do you mean by "shred"?

What John means? Depends on what Little Pharma had on sale.

What the article means by "shred"? Tidal disruption, when the force of tides
becomes stronger than an object's self-gravity, and it gets torn apart. Happens
when something gets too close to a massive compact body. Such as a black hole.

It is why Saturn has a ring system instead of a moon orbiting closely. Either
a moon got "shredded" by Saturn's gravity, or matter there couldn't coalese
into a moon because Saturn kept it "shredded".

Google "Roche Limit".

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#723913

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-18 22:15 -0800
Message-ID<152b935e-05a8-439d-852e-5f631cd52f36@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#723910
MM
“Tidal disruption, when the force of tides 
becomes stronger than an object's self-gravity, and it gets torn apart. Happens 
when something gets too close to a massive compact body. Such as a black hole. ”

Those couldn’t be Black Holes, though, because huge jets keep shooting out of them

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#723918

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2019-01-19 07:00 +0000
Message-ID<q1uhu1$8kr$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#723913
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Those couldn't be Black Holes, though, because huge jets keep shooting out of them

No John, that is a false straw man argument. You assume something false
(jets shooting out of black holes) and use that to "prove" black holes
can't exist.

In reality, NOTHING escapes from black holes, except perhaps Hawking
radiation. In particular, the "huge jets" don't. They come from the
inner accretion disk, OUTSIDE the hole.  If you'd bother to READ about
some of the stuff, instead of simply flinging your poo against the wall
to see if any will stick, you would get a better reputation than being
one of the bigger dumbasses of sci.physics.  Of course that won't ever
happen. Your spinny thing obsession controls you and keeps you from
learning.

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