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Push Gravity

Started byjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
First post2018-12-30 17:36 -0800
Last post2019-01-09 21:35 -0800
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  Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-30 17:36 -0800
    Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-31 01:45 +0000
      Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-30 18:02 -0800
        Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-31 02:37 +0000
          Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-30 19:28 -0800
            Re: Push Gravity Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-12-30 22:09 -0600
              Re: Push Gravity Paul Dakota <jsf@iaswmh.nb> - 2018-12-31 07:14 +0000
                Re: Push Gravity Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-12-31 09:48 -0600
            Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-31 04:57 +0000
              Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-12-30 23:19 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-12-30 23:23 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity Paul Dakota <jsf@iaswmh.nb> - 2018-12-31 07:34 +0000
                  Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-12-31 00:26 -0800
              Re: Push Gravity James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 00:31 -0800
              Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 03:20 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 04:40 -0800
                  Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 05:06 -0800
                    Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 14:30 +0000
                      Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 08:42 -0800
                        Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 09:27 -0800
                        Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 18:07 +0000
                          Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 10:19 -0800
                            Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 10:25 -0800
                              Re: Push Gravity Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-12-31 12:53 -0600
                              Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 19:29 +0000
                                Re: Push Gravity Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-01-02 14:08 -0800
                                  Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-02 14:26 -0800
                                    Re: Push Gravity Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-01-02 14:44 -0800
                                  Re: Push Gravity benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-02 19:15 -0500
                                    Re: Push Gravity Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-01-02 18:36 -0800
                                      Re: Push Gravity Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2019-01-02 22:54 -0600
                                        Re: Push Gravity Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 11:23 -0800
                                          Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2019-01-03 14:53 -0800
                                            Re: Push Gravity Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 21:40 -0800
                                              Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2019-01-03 22:49 -0800
                                                Re: Push Gravity Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-01-04 12:53 -0800
                                                  Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-05 09:23 -0800
                                                    Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-05 18:23 +0000
                                                      Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-05 11:04 -0800
                                                        Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-05 19:59 +0000
                                                          Re: Push Gravity Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 10:26 -0800
                                                      Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-05 11:27 -0800
                                                        Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-05 20:18 +0000
                                                          Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-05 12:45 -0800
                                                      Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2019-01-05 11:30 -0800
                                                    Re: Push Gravity Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-01-05 13:20 -0800
                                                      Re: Push Gravity benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-05 18:30 -0500
                                                        Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-05 16:23 -0800
                                                          Re: Push Gravity pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-05 17:47 -0800
                                                            Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-05 18:47 -0800
                                                              Re: Push Gravity Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2019-01-05 23:08 -0600
                                                                Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-05 21:19 -0800
                                                              Re: Push Gravity pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-05 21:01 -0800
                                                                Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-05 21:56 -0800
                                                                  Re: Push Gravity pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-05 22:37 -0800
                                                                    Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 06:31 -0800
                                                                      Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-06 16:54 +0000
                                                                        Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 09:30 -0800
                                                                          Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-06 18:27 +0000
                                                                          Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 21:30 +0000
                                                                            Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 13:38 -0800
                                                                              Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 13:45 -0800
                                                                                Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 13:53 -0800
                                                                                  Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 14:04 -0800
                                                                                    Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-07 00:46 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Push Gravity pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-06 14:05 -0800
                                                                                  Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 22:16 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-07 00:44 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Push Gravity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2019-01-07 02:53 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-07 02:11 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Push Gravity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2019-01-07 03:57 +0100
                                                                                          Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-08 15:55 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Push Gravity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2019-01-09 01:49 +0100
                                                                                              Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-09 04:48 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Push Gravity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2019-01-09 15:27 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Push Gravity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2019-01-07 02:47 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Push Gravity Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2019-01-07 10:58 -0600
                                                                                Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 22:16 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 16:21 -0800
                                                                                Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-07 00:38 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Push Gravity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2019-01-07 02:54 +0100
                                                                              Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 22:16 +0000
                                                                              Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-07 00:35 +0000
                                                                              Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-07 00:51 +0000
                                                                                Re: Push Gravity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2019-01-07 03:02 +0100
                                                                              Re: Push Gravity benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-08 15:04 -0500
                                                                            Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2019-01-07 01:34 -0800
                                                                            Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-08 03:07 -0800
                                                                              Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-08 04:26 -0800
                                                                                Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-08 14:31 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Push Gravity "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2019-01-08 11:55 -0800
                                                                                Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-08 15:32 +0000
                                                                              Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-08 04:32 -0800
                                                                                Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-08 14:31 +0000
                                                                                Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-08 15:37 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-08 13:21 -0800
                                                                              Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-08 14:31 +0000
                                                                              Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-08 15:30 +0000
                                                                            Re: Push Gravity benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-08 15:02 -0500
                                                                              Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-08 23:00 +0000
                                                                                Re: Push Gravity benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-08 23:36 -0500
                                                                                  Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 14:45 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Push Gravity benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 15:43 -0500
                                                                                      Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 12:52 -0800
                                                                                      Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 21:39 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Push Gravity benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 19:18 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-10 01:27 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 17:50 -0800
                                                                                              Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2019-01-09 18:38 -0800
                                                                                              Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2019-01-09 18:27 -0800
                                                                      Re: Push Gravity pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-06 11:11 -0800
                                                                      Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 21:07 +0000
                                                              Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 21:07 +0000
                                                          Re: Push Gravity Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2019-01-05 20:52 -0800
                                                            Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2019-01-06 04:55 -0800
                                                              Re: Push Gravity Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 05:12 -0800
                                                              Re: Push Gravity Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2019-01-06 10:34 -0600
                                                                Re: Push Gravity "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 12:39 -0800
                                                                  Re: Push Gravity Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2019-01-07 09:31 -0600
                                                                    Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2019-01-08 05:00 -0800
                                                            Re: Push Gravity Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 10:57 -0800
                                                        Re: Push Gravity Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 10:30 -0800
                                                        Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 21:07 +0000
                                                          Re: Push Gravity benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-08 14:54 -0500
                                                            Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-08 23:00 +0000
                                                              Re: Push Gravity benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-08 23:33 -0500
                                                                Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 14:45 +0000
                                                                  Re: Push Gravity benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 15:42 -0500
                            Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 19:29 +0000
                              Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 12:05 -0800
                                Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 20:50 +0000
                                  Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 13:13 -0800
                                    Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 21:48 +0000
                                      Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 14:01 -0800
                                        Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 22:11 +0000
                                          Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 14:17 -0800
                                            Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 22:31 +0000
                                              Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 14:50 -0800
                                                Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-01 00:00 +0000
                                                  Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 16:13 -0800
                                                    Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-01 01:47 +0000
                                                      Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 18:00 -0800
                                                        Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-01 13:36 +0000
                                                          Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2019-01-04 02:33 -0800
                                                            Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-04 16:26 +0000
                                                              Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2019-01-04 08:47 -0800
                                                      Re: Push Gravity benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 22:28 -0500
                                                        Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 19:51 -0800
                                                          Re: Push Gravity turcaudjp@gmail.com - 2019-01-01 02:13 -0800
                                                          Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-01 16:33 +0000
                                                        Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-01 16:33 +0000
                                                      Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2019-01-02 15:12 -0800
                                                Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2019-01-02 15:09 -0800
                                                  Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-02 23:24 +0000
                                                    Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-02 15:45 -0800
                                                      Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-02 23:54 +0000
                                                        Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-02 15:57 -0800
                                                          Re: Push Gravity benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-02 19:23 -0500
                                                          Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 02:44 +0000
                                                        I've been slandering UseNutters for 28 years now. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2019-01-02 16:19 -0800
                                                          Re: I've been slandering UseNutters for 28 years now. "Sir Gregory Hall,  Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> - 2019-01-02 19:27 -0500
                                                            Re: I've been slandering UseNutters for 28 years now. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-02 17:30 -0700
                                                          Re: I've been slandering UseNutters for 28 years now. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-02 17:30 -0700
                                                            PeeScent's fifth grade education. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2019-01-02 16:39 -0800
                                                              Re: PeeScent's fifth grade education. Jeff-Relf.Me@ - 2019-01-02 17:43 -0700
                                                                Re: PeeScent's fifth grade education. "Sir Gregory Hall,  Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> - 2019-01-02 19:53 -0500
                                                                  Re: PeeScent's fifth grade education. Jeff-Relf.Me@ - 2019-01-02 17:59 -0700
                                                                Re: PeeScent is homeless, I assume. Jeff-Relf.Me@ - 2019-01-03 07:13 -0700
                                                              Re: PeeScent's fifth grade education. "Sir Gregory Hall,  Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> - 2019-01-02 19:47 -0500
                                                                Re: PeeScent's fifth grade education. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-02 17:51 -0700
                                                        Re: Push Gravity benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-02 19:22 -0500
                                                          Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 02:44 +0000
                                                      Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2019-01-02 23:49 -0800
                                                        Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2019-01-03 02:47 -0800
                                                          Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2019-01-03 02:53 -0800
                                                            Re: Push Gravity Arther Jackson <invalid@example.com> - 2019-01-04 15:10 -0800
                                                              Re: Push Gravity % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-04 16:12 -0700
                                                              Re: Push Gravity benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-04 19:41 -0500
                                                                Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2019-01-04 23:17 -0800
                                                    Re: Push Gravity benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-02 19:17 -0500
                                                      Re: Push Gravity "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 14:41 -0800
                                                        Re: Push Gravity Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2019-01-06 10:35 -0600
                                                    Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2019-01-02 23:45 -0800
                    Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2019-01-01 02:19 -0800
            Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-12-31 01:59 -0800
              Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-12-31 02:15 -0800
    Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 14:14 +0000
    Re: Push Gravity "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 09:57 -0800
    Re: Push Gravity mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-31 14:08 -0800
    Re: Push Gravity "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 14:42 -0800
    Push Gravity Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 19:53 -0800
      Re: Push Gravity pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-09 20:49 -0800
        Re: Push Gravity Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 21:03 -0800
          Re: Push Gravity pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-09 21:35 -0800

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#722476

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2019-01-07 02:54 +0100
Message-ID<f5b38abc-0182-956e-3db6-50bb930c2dc4@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#722459
Michael Moroney wrote:
> The gravity of the moon is too weak to hold onto an atmosphere
> of any kind.

Plain and proved wrong.  Shut up and study.

-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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#722409

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-06 22:16 +0000
Message-ID<q0tuoc$1c4o$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#722390
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> “ (In fact a 
> helium balloon on the moon would fall to the ground as quickly as a dropped 
> hammer.)”
> You think?
> They need to try that and see if you are right.
> I don’t think you are.

Oh Jiminy, John, so you doubt high school physics? Good for you. 

For Pete’s sake. 

> 
> What makes you say that? I’m interested
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#722456

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2019-01-07 00:35 +0000
Message-ID<q0u6s3$phn$6@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#722390
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Odd
>" (In fact a
>helium balloon on the moon would fall to the ground as quickly as a dropped
>hammer.)"
>You think?
>They need to try that and see if you are right.
>I don't think you are.

Oh good grief. I really did think you were smarter than that, but I
see I was wrong.

Out of curiosity, tell us why a piece of wood floats in water?
Then tell us why a helium balloon floats in air.

>What makes you say that? I'm interested

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#722464

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2019-01-07 00:51 +0000
Message-ID<q0u7pl$phn$11@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#722390
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Odd
>" (In fact a
>helium balloon on the moon would fall to the ground as quickly as a dropped
>hammer.)"
>You think?
>They need to try that and see if you are right.
>I don't think you are.

>What makes you say that? I'm interested

NASA has a GIANT vacuum chamber, in Houston, I think.

I vaguely remember a science television show where they repeated
Galileo's experiment in the vacuum chamber, with a helium balloon,
an air balloon and something heavy. They dropped them, pairwise, and
the helium balloon fell at the same speed as the other items.

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#722478

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2019-01-07 03:02 +0100
Message-ID<7120be3c-d9a5-1815-8bef-c99a0c49bb4e@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#722464
Michael Moroney wrote:
> NASA has a GIANT vacuum chamber, in Houston, I think.
> 
> I vaguely remember a science television show where they repeated
> Galileo's experiment in the vacuum chamber, with a helium balloon,
> an air balloon and something heavy. They dropped them, pairwise, and
> the helium balloon fell at the same speed as the other items.

Famously, the Apollo 15 astronauts (callsign: Falcon) did the experiment
with a hammer and a (falcon) feather *on the surface of the Moon*.

Google it.

-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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#722702

Frombenj <benj.fake@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-08 15:04 -0500
Message-ID<q12von$1kj0$3@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#722390
On 1/6/2019 4:38 PM, john wrote:
> Odd
> “ (In fact a
> helium balloon on the moon would fall to the ground as quickly as a dropped
> hammer.)”
> You think?
> They need to try that and see if you are right.
> I don’t think you are.
> 
> What makes you say that? I’m interested
> 
Given the video of the flag flapping as the astronot on the "moon" 
walked by says that probably the balloon won't fall as fast as the hammer.

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#722512

Fromporaty6@gmail.com
Date2019-01-07 01:34 -0800
Message-ID<d13eba32-94cc-4d63-ae19-f8f4c936c9e8@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#722387
On Sunday, January 6, 2019 at 11:30:29 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> > MM
> > “And since when is levitation by sound gravity?”
> > Here Michael- from Wiki
> > ‘Levitation refers to raising an object against the force of gravity ’
> > Levitation automatically infers ‘against gravity’.
> > 
> > You and Odd have a lot of trouble with the meaning of simple words. 
> 
> And the force a table pushes upward on an ashtray is “against gravity”. As
> is the string that holds up a fishing weight and hook: against gravity. 
> 
> Levitation simply means an upward directed force that opposes the downward
> gravitational force on an object, when that force is not applied by some
> other solid body. 
> 
> So a helium balloon rises not because gravity has been removed. (In fact a
> helium balloon on the moon would fall to the ground as quickly as a dropped
> hammer.) It rises because the surrounding air exerts an upward buoyant
> force due to the difference in air pressure from the top to the bottom of
> the balloon, and that buoyant force happens to be larger than the
> gravitation force downward. 

======================================
it is a **complex situation **(the helium  balloon   
 while we want to   analyze   
we have to  start with the simplest examples !!
the mass of the balloon is negligible  
compared    to the mass of earth in  that case 
in that  case the mass of earth **and its gravitation *
is indeed   the main actor !! 
but still earth is doing it by its 
''gravitons 
fore me there are not gravitons
there is the y circlon mechanism

acting back  and  forth 
and endlessly recycled 
and   '' a  the end of the day ''
making attraction by ENDLESS  PUSH  COLLISION 
see the y  circlon   mechanism !!
ONLY A  dynamic  PICTURE CAN  EXPLAIN IT 
that   is basically
a push process  
words are too  dull  to  explain   it    
TIA
Y.P
=====================    

 > 
> QM has nothing to do with this. And no, explanations in science are not
> required to use the same commonplace language you like. In fact that is
> counterproductive, which is exactly why physics textbooks do not cater to
> your desires. 
> 

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#722663

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-08 03:07 -0800
Message-ID<c305df8c-e63b-4e7b-94c3-3055fa0d5826@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#722387
Odd
“In fact a 
helium balloon on the moon would fall to the ground as quickly as a dropped 
hammer.) “
You know why Id like to see that, hey?
Because when you have a Helium balloon in your car and turn right, it doesn’t lag left- you know what it does, hey?
It goes right.
And when you hit the brakes it goes back.
And when you accelerate it goes forward.

Now this is explained ‘because the air molecules move’, but that would be ‘wind’, and I don’t notice any wind in a car.
So, yes, I would love to see a Helium balloon on the moon.

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#722665

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-08 04:26 -0800
Message-ID<7344ee93-ae06-4998-808f-389546fb9757@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#722663
Hmm.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4BYVIS7ARek
This guy did it in a vacuum chamber, and the ballon went down.

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#722670

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-08 14:31 +0000
Message-ID<q12c7j$qsg$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#722665
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hmm.
> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4BYVIS7ARek
> This guy did it in a vacuum chamber, and the ballon went down.
> 
> 

Of course they did. High school physics. 

You have so much basic stuff to catch up on. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#722699

From"reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-08 11:55 -0800
Message-ID<27c7892a-15a7-4d9f-81e7-d313a4cfd4e8@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#722670
On Tuesday, January 8, 2019 at 6:31:20 AM UTC-8, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hmm.
> > https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4BYVIS7ARek
> > This guy did it in a vacuum chamber, and the ballon went down.
> > 
> > 
> 
> Of course they did. High school physics. 
> 
> You have so much basic stuff to catch up on. 
> 
> -- 
> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

Never forget dropping both on the moon 16 feet up the hammer would break your toe.Mass stays the same. Bert

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#722677

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2019-01-08 15:32 +0000
Message-ID<q12fqh$r59$4@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#722665
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Hmm.
>https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4BYVIS7ARek
>This guy did it in a vacuum chamber, and the ballon went down.

What did you expect? Helium and the balloon have weight, you
know, and when the air was pumped out it not longer could
float in the air.

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#722666

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-08 04:32 -0800
Message-ID<618ba013-0d1f-4492-8c4a-d86b3a891b28@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#722663
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4BYVIS7ARek
Well this guy did it in a vacuum chamber, and the balloon fell.
But rubber has weight.
That still doesn’t address whether the Helium molecules themselves would rise against gravity, or does it?

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#722671

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-08 14:31 +0000
Message-ID<q12c7k$qsg$3@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#722666
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> https://m.youtube.com/watch?vKYVIS7ARek
> Well this guy did it in a vacuum chamber, and the balloon fell.
> But rubber has weight.
> That still doesnt address whether the Helium molecules themselves would
> rise against gravity, or does it?
> 

Helium has weight. Just like air. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#722680

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2019-01-08 15:37 +0000
Message-ID<q12g3l$r59$6@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#722666
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4BYVIS7ARek
>Well this guy did it in a vacuum chamber, and the balloon fell.
>But rubber has weight.
>That still doesn't address whether the Helium molecules themselves 
>would rise against gravity, or does it?

It does. The balloon sank, after all, when the air was removed.

A proper experiment would have a sensitive force meter that would
measure the force (upward and downward) plus compensate for the
(pre-weighed) weight of the empty balloon itself.

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#722711

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-08 13:21 -0800
Message-ID<acdc6155-190e-4253-9d68-23e4ceb6c2a4@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#722680
MM
“A proper experiment would have a sensitive force meter that would 
measure the force (upward and downward) plus compensate for the 
(pre-weighed) weight of the empty balloon itself. ”
Yes.
Now you’re talking, Michael!

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#722669

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-08 14:31 +0000
Message-ID<q12c7i$qsg$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#722663
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> “In fact a 
> helium balloon on the moon would fall to the ground as quickly as a dropped 
> hammer.) “
> You know why Id like to see that, hey?
> Because when you have a Helium balloon in your car and turn right, it
> doesn’t lag left- you know what it does, hey?
> It goes right.

That’s correct. Do you know why? Air pressure. 

> And when you hit the brakes it goes back.
> And when you accelerate it goes forward.

Same reason. 

> 
> Now this is explained ‘because the air molecules move’, but that would be
> ‘wind’, and I don’t notice any wind in a car.

No, it’s because of differential air pressure. 

No idea where you “explanation” came from. 

> So, yes, I would love to see a Helium balloon on the moon.
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#722676

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2019-01-08 15:30 +0000
Message-ID<q12fnf$r59$3@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#722663
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Odd
>"In fact a
>helium balloon on the moon would fall to the ground as quickly as a dropped
>hammer.) "
>You know why Id like to see that, hey?
>Because when you have a Helium balloon in your car and turn right, it doesn't
>lag left- you know what it does, hey?
>It goes right.

Exactly. And for the very same reason why a helium balloon floats
away if you let it go.

>And when you hit the brakes it goes back.
>And when you accelerate it goes forward.

Yes, and for the same reason.

>Now this is explained 'because the air molecules move', but
>that would be 'wind', and I don't notice any wind
>in a car.

Who said anything about wind? Wind doesn't blow the balloon
around when the car turns/brakes.

>So, yes, I would love to see a Helium balloon on the moon.

You already posted the video of the helium balloon in the
vacuum chamber.

I notice that you had no answer to the following, why does
a piece of wood floats in water. Why not?

>>Out of curiosity, tell us why a piece of wood floats in water?
>>Then tell us why a helium balloon floats in air.

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#722701

Frombenj <benj.fake@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-08 15:02 -0500
Message-ID<q12vk2$1kj0$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#722387
On 1/6/2019 4:30 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
>> MM
>> “And since when is levitation by sound gravity?”
>> Here Michael- from Wiki
>> ‘Levitation refers to raising an object against the force of gravity ’
>> Levitation automatically infers ‘against gravity’.
>>
>> You and Odd have a lot of trouble with the meaning of simple words.
> 
> And the force a table pushes upward on an ashtray is “against gravity”. As
> is the string that holds up a fishing weight and hook: against gravity.
> 
> Levitation simply means an upward directed force that opposes the downward
> gravitational force on an object, when that force is not applied by some
> other solid body.
> 
> So a helium balloon rises not because gravity has been removed. (In fact a
> helium balloon on the moon would fall to the ground as quickly as a dropped
> hammer.) It rises because the surrounding air exerts an upward buoyant
> force due to the difference in air pressure from the top to the bottom of
> the balloon, and that buoyant force happens to be larger than the
> gravitation force downward.
> 
> You are very confused about basic high school physics.
> 
>> Something to do with your QM indoctrination? Spin isn’t spin, etc?
>>
> 
> QM has nothing to do with this. And no, explanations in science are not
> required to use the same commonplace language you like. In fact that is
> counterproductive, which is exactly why physics textbooks do not cater to
> your desires.
> 
> 
> 
John, give it up. Odd has no knowledge of science at all which is 
clearly shown by his inability to explain any physics concepts using 
anything other than jargon. All Odd has is a ability to memorize slogans 
which he than screams in everyone's face like some leftist.

You are wasting your time trying to educate him.

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#722725

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-08 23:00 +0000
Message-ID<q13a2v$146c$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#722701
benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 1/6/2019 4:30 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> MM
>>> “And since when is levitation by sound gravity?”
>>> Here Michael- from Wiki
>>> ‘Levitation refers to raising an object against the force of gravity ’
>>> Levitation automatically infers ‘against gravity’.
>>> 
>>> You and Odd have a lot of trouble with the meaning of simple words.
>> 
>> And the force a table pushes upward on an ashtray is “against gravity”. As
>> is the string that holds up a fishing weight and hook: against gravity.
>> 
>> Levitation simply means an upward directed force that opposes the downward
>> gravitational force on an object, when that force is not applied by some
>> other solid body.
>> 
>> So a helium balloon rises not because gravity has been removed. (In fact a
>> helium balloon on the moon would fall to the ground as quickly as a dropped
>> hammer.) It rises because the surrounding air exerts an upward buoyant
>> force due to the difference in air pressure from the top to the bottom of
>> the balloon, and that buoyant force happens to be larger than the
>> gravitation force downward.
>> 
>> You are very confused about basic high school physics.
>> 
>>> Something to do with your QM indoctrination? Spin isn’t spin, etc?
>>> 
>> 
>> QM has nothing to do with this. And no, explanations in science are not
>> required to use the same commonplace language you like. In fact that is
>> counterproductive, which is exactly why physics textbooks do not cater to
>> your desires.
>> 
>> 
>> 
> John, give it up. Odd has no knowledge of science at all which is 
> clearly shown by his inability to explain any physics concepts using 
> anything other than jargon. 

Jargon? What needs to be explained further for you?

> All Odd has is a ability to memorize slogans 
> which he than screams in everyone's face like some leftist.
> 
> You are wasting your time trying to educate him.
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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