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Ghosts and Cold Steam

Started byJames McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com>
First post2018-12-21 22:30 -0800
Last post2018-12-29 14:11 -0600
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  Ghosts and Cold Steam James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-12-21 22:30 -0800
    Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-12-21 22:37 -0800
      Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-12-22 09:20 -0800
        Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-12-22 10:09 -0800
          Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-12-22 10:19 -0800
            Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-12-27 14:41 -0800
              Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-12-27 19:51 -0800
                Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-12-28 20:16 -0800
                  Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-12-28 20:38 -0800
                    Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-12-28 21:15 -0800
                      Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam Claudius Denk <claudiusdenk@gmail.com> - 2018-12-28 21:35 -0800
                        Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-12-28 21:53 -0800
                          Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-12-28 22:12 -0800
                            Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam Claudius Denk <claudiusdenk@gmail.com> - 2018-12-28 22:59 -0800
                            Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-12-29 11:47 -0600
                          Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam Claudius Denk <claudiusdenk@gmail.com> - 2018-12-28 22:23 -0800
                            Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2019-01-27 08:48 -0800
                              Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 19:17 -0500
                                Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 10:04 -0800
                              Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam Sergi o <invaliid@invalid.com> - 2019-01-28 22:00 -0600
                                Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 04:28 -0500
                          Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam Claudius Denk <claudiusdenk@gmail.com> - 2018-12-28 22:25 -0800
                            Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-12-29 13:36 -0800
                    Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam Claudius Denk <claudiusdenk@gmail.com> - 2018-12-28 21:33 -0800
          Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-12-22 12:36 -0600
          Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-12-25 22:50 -0800
            Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-12-25 22:59 -0800
            Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-12-25 23:19 -0800
              Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-12-25 23:32 -0800
                Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-12-25 23:58 -0800
                Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 10:35 -0800
          Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2019-01-02 22:48 -0800
            Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-03 19:45 -0800
              Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2019-01-05 06:44 -0800
        Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-12-22 16:07 -0800
      Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-22 21:50 -0500
        Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-12-22 19:35 -0800
          Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-12-22 20:06 -0800
            Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-12-22 20:29 -0800
            Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-12-23 00:09 -0600
            Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-12-23 19:54 -0800
        Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-12-22 21:39 -0600
        Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-12-22 20:57 -0800
      Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-12-24 08:49 -0800
        Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-12-24 20:01 -0800
          Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-12-24 20:35 -0800
            Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-12-24 21:38 -0800
              Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-12-25 07:48 -0800
                Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-25 17:28 +0000
                  Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-12-25 10:07 -0800
                    Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-26 04:15 +0000
                      Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-12-25 22:46 -0800
                      Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-12-26 14:25 -0600
                        Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 16:22 -0500
                        Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-12-26 18:12 -0800
                Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-25 21:38 +0000
                  Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-25 22:55 -0500
                Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-12-25 22:09 -0800
                  Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-12-26 21:41 -0600
          Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-12-24 20:40 -0800
          Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-12-25 23:42 -0600
            Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-12-25 22:10 -0800
      Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 08:22 -0800
        Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-12-29 08:45 -0800
          Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 10:01 -0700
          Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 09:55 -0800
            Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-12-29 11:36 -0800
              Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 15:20 -0800
              Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 16:36 -0800
                Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 18:45 -0800
                  Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-12-29 20:50 -0800
                Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-12-29 20:39 -0800
                  Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 20:45 -0800
                    Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-12-29 21:04 -0800
                    Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-12-29 20:51 -0800
                      Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-12-30 00:11 -0600
                        Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 23:35 -0800
                          Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-12-30 09:39 -0800
                            Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-12-30 15:00 -0800
                              Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-12-30 16:00 -0800
                                Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-12-30 17:30 -0800
                                  Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-12-30 18:31 -0800
                                    Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-12-30 19:56 -0800
                                      Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-12-30 20:26 -0800
                                        Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-12-30 20:54 -0800
                                          Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-12-30 21:13 -0800
                                            Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-12-30 22:13 -0800
                                            Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-12-31 00:19 -0600
                                  Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-31 05:14 +0000
                                    Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-12-30 21:57 -0800
                                    Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 17:19 -0800
                                      Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-12-31 23:58 -0800
                                        Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam Claudius Denk <claudiusdenk@gmail.com> - 2019-01-01 17:46 -0800
                                          Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-01 19:05 -0800
                                          Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2019-01-02 06:56 -0800
                                        Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2019-01-01 23:50 -0600
                                      Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-02 04:39 +0000
                                        Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2019-01-01 21:58 -0800
                                          Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-01 22:08 -0800
                                            Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam Claudius Denk <claudiusdenk@gmail.com> - 2019-01-01 22:18 -0800
                                            Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2019-01-03 15:52 -0600
                                              Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 22:42 +0000
                                              Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 11:04 -0800
                                        Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2019-01-27 08:04 -0800
                                        Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2019-01-27 08:21 -0800
                                        Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 02:26 -0800
                                          Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-29 06:44 -0800
                                            Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam Sergi o <invaliid@invalid.com> - 2019-01-29 09:36 -0600
                                          Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-29 17:37 +0000
                                            Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam Sergi o <invaliid@invalid.com> - 2019-01-29 11:54 -0600
        Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-29 17:27 +0000
          Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-12-29 12:24 -0600
            Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 11:04 -0800
              Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-12-29 11:39 -0800
                Re: Ghosts and Cold Steam Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-12-29 14:11 -0600

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#721649

FromJames McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com>
Date2018-12-30 17:30 -0800
Message-ID<58333a47-c2f6-4880-a259-b2cee53bb519@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#721632
Bullshit, Jim, that is not what Dr. Saykally said at all!

JMcG:
I quoted his exact words.

 Your interpretation is not any better than your hypothesis. He said he didn't find *your* alternative convincing. 

There is no indication that he considered my hypothesis. 

Pnal:
He said that your argument was impossible.

JMcG:
Even though he never said that I do think it reasonablevto assume


 He in no way admitted that he did have any evidence, you idiot, the man has published 704 papers about water, to date! 

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#721655

Frompnalsing@gmail.com
Date2018-12-30 18:31 -0800
Message-ID<89f5d9f8-efee-4cc6-bb5e-70e4fe23ae78@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#721649
On Sunday, December 30, 2018 at 5:30:03 PM UTC-8, James McGinn wrote:
> Bullshit, Jim, that is not what Dr. Saykally said at all!
> 
> JMcG:
> I quoted his exact words.

No, you are lying about this, see the original and show me the exact words you quoted...

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.physics/catCSHRs2Ns%5B1-25%5D

>  Your interpretation is not any better than your hypothesis. He said he didn't find *your* alternative convincing. 
> 
> There is no indication that he considered my hypothesis. 

Of course, there is... again...

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.physics/catCSHRs2Ns%5B1-25%5D

"Jim....To be frank and honest I think that you are wasting your time on these arguments.  There are no mysteries about the hydrogen bond in water, or in other systems.  It is the old language and the oversimplified level of your argument  (sorry) that causes the confusion.  Modern chemistry treats hydrogen bonding quantum mechanically (ab initio quantum mechanics), and makes highly detailed predictions about hydrogen bonding in water that have been verified by spectroscopy experiments to very high numerical precision.  There are indeed several phenomena involving water that are not yet satisfactorily explained, but these are a result of the statistical fluctuations that occur in the liquid, and rare events that are very difficult to model.  Have a look at my pub list for some recent papers on this.  But the nature of hydrogen bonding and surface tension are really quite well understood."

See, THAT's how you quote someone.
 
> Pnal:
> He said that your argument was impossible.
> 
> JMcG:
> Even though he never said that I do think it reasonablevto assume

Well, it is pretty easy to determine that he does not think much or your theory and tells you that you are wasting your time. You should have just taken his advice and forgotten the entire farce that you have created. Now you have painted yourself into a corner and are too stubborn to admit that you have been a complete failure in this endeavor.

>  He in no way admitted that he did not have any evidence, you idiot, the man has published 704 papers about water, to date!

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#721671

FromJames McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com>
Date2018-12-30 19:56 -0800
Message-ID<1a430290-36d3-4ec7-8bce-1c33fa22feda@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#721655
Saykally:
"Jim....To be frank and honest I think that you are wasting your time on these arguments.  There are no mysteries about the hydrogen bond in water, 

JMcG:
Saykally is either lying or he is supremely confused. The anomalies of H2O are a genuine mystery and they are a direct consequence of misunderstandings about the nature of hydrogen bonding in water. 

See Pauling's Omission on YouTube for details.

Saykally proved himself either incompetent on that subject, lazy, or both. 

And you too proved yourself incompetent and desperate in that you failed to discuss any of the substance of the argument (the subject of which is way, way over your head).

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#721674

Frompnalsing@gmail.com
Date2018-12-30 20:26 -0800
Message-ID<c636f8a2-9db7-4427-b140-3e753029b2e0@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#721671
On Sunday, December 30, 2018 at 7:56:14 PM UTC-8, James McGinn wrote:
> Saykally:
> "Jim....To be frank and honest I think that you are wasting your time on these arguments.  There are no mysteries about the hydrogen bond in water, 
> 
> JMcG:
> Saykally is either lying or he is supremely confused. The anomalies of H2O are a genuine mystery and they are a direct consequence of misunderstandings about the nature of hydrogen bonding in water. 
> 
> See Pauling's Omission on YouTube for details.
> 
> Saykally proved himself either incompetent on that subject, lazy, or both. 
> 
> And you too proved yourself incompetent and desperate in that you failed to discuss any of the substance of the argument (the subject of which is way, way over your head).

You can bluff and deflect all you want, Jim, but you are fooling no one but yourself.

You are the incompetent one here, not Dr. Saykally, a highly revered professor and author of 704 published papers about water.

Unless and until you can provide evidence for you pitiful claims, you've got no bragging rights whatsoever.

As always, put up or shut up.

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#721676

FromJames McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com>
Date2018-12-30 20:54 -0800
Message-ID<43e7a5f9-1941-4c0e-b34a-e2114bca7f14@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#721674
Pnal:
Dr. Saykally, a highly revered professor

JMcG:
The problem is that reverence is not just part of your argument. It is your whole argument. 

Neither you nor Saykally has any kind of substantive dispute with anything I'm saying.

Stop being so desperate. 

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#721680

Frompnalsing@gmail.com
Date2018-12-30 21:13 -0800
Message-ID<c21fee3e-249c-452c-a061-4bb6cb5ec44c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#721676
On Sunday, December 30, 2018 at 8:54:44 PM UTC-8, James McGinn wrote:

> Neither you nor Saykally has any kind of substantive dispute with anything I'm saying.

Really?

"Jim....To be frank and honest I think that you are wasting your time on these arguments.  There are no mysteries about the hydrogen bond in water, or in other systems.  It is the old language and the oversimplified level of your argument  (sorry) that causes the confusion."  

You are still confused, Jim, you AND the oversimplified level of your argument...

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#721687

FromJames McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com>
Date2018-12-30 22:13 -0800
Message-ID<e964e2e2-44c0-4b97-a3dd-cc542318047b@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#721680
On Sunday, December 30, 2018 at 9:13:31 PM UTC-8, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, December 30, 2018 at 8:54:44 PM UTC-8, James McGinn wrote:
> 
> > Neither you nor Saykally has any kind of substantive dispute with anything I'm saying.
> 
> Really?
> 
> "Jim....To be frank and honest I think that you are wasting your time on these arguments.  There are no mysteries about the hydrogen bond in water, or in other systems.  It is the old language and the oversimplified level of your argument  (sorry) that causes the confusion."  
> 
> You are still confused, Jim, you AND the oversimplified level of your argument...

Nothing substantive.  Sorry.

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#721688

FromSergio <invalid@invalid.com>
Date2018-12-31 00:19 -0600
Message-ID<q0cce8$uvc$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#721680
On 12/30/2018 11:13 PM, pnalsing@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, December 30, 2018 at 8:54:44 PM UTC-8, James McGinn wrote:
> 
>> Neither you nor Saykally has any kind of substantive dispute with anything I'm saying.
> 
> Really?
> 
> "Jim....To be frank and honest I think that you are wasting your time on these arguments.  There are no mysteries about the hydrogen bond in water, or in other systems.  It is the old language and the oversimplified level of your argument  (sorry) that causes the confusion."  
> 
> You are still confused, Jim, you AND the oversimplified level of your argument...
> 




McGinn is a fibbin flounder on hot sidewalk,
   a fibbin, an a flippin and a floppin,
       his one fish eye open,
McGinn's brain squeeks "somethin wrong here!"
while McDenk says "McGinn is a floundering fibber!"
  someone wrap up this dead fish quick!

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#721681

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-12-31 05:14 +0000
Message-ID<q0c8ka$n85$3@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#721649
James McGinn wrote:

>I quoted his exact words.

And his exact words were:

"The way our business works is that one who argues that a given model is
incorrect and proposes a new one to replace it must also propose an
experimental test that can clearly evidence the claims."

So where is your experimental test that clearly shows your evidence??

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#721685

FromJames McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com>
Date2018-12-30 21:57 -0800
Message-ID<26ddfd5d-537a-47e6-97dd-33c7b01e9305@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#721681
On Sunday, December 30, 2018 at 9:14:53 PM UTC-8, Michael Moroney wrote:
> James McGinn wrote:
> 
> >I quoted his exact words.
> 
> And his exact words were:
> 
> "The way our business works is that one who argues that a given model is
> incorrect and proposes a new one to replace it must also propose an
> experimental test that can clearly evidence the claims."
> 
> So where is your experimental test that clearly shows your evidence??

Like I said, this statement from Saykally proves that either he is a liar or confused. We already have a plethora of data that proves that the current model is wrong or incomplete at best. This data is generally referred to as the anomalies of H2O.  Look it up.

Are You Confused About Hydrogen Bonding In Water?
https://youtu.be/RfNuWJDJvRw

James McGinn / Solving Tornadoes



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#721834

FromJames McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com>
Date2018-12-31 17:19 -0800
Message-ID<03f757e8-72a9-41b0-8cb6-8a2c88bf212e@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#721681
MM:
And his exact words were: 

"The way our business works is that one who argues that a given model is 
incorrect and proposes a new one to replace it must also propose an 
experimental test that can clearly evidence the claims." 

JMcG:
The larger truth you are all missing is that science is supposed to be about open minded weighing for truth, not about defending intellectual territory so that it is impermeable to assault by reason. 

Saykally is part of a failing paradigm and failing paradigms always play defense. 

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#721877

Frompnalsing@gmail.com
Date2018-12-31 23:58 -0800
Message-ID<38f8089d-10c9-43a9-ac26-ae1a533039b7@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#721834
On Monday, December 31, 2018 at 5:19:36 PM UTC-8, James McGinn wrote:
> MM:
> And his exact words were: 
> 
> "The way our business works is that one who argues that a given model is 
> incorrect and proposes a new one to replace it must also propose an 
> experimental test that can clearly evidence the claims." 
> 
> JMcG:
> The larger truth you are all missing is that science is supposed to be about open minded weighing for truth, not about defending intellectual territory so that it is impermeable to assault by reason. 
> 
> Saykally is part of a failing paradigm and failing paradigms always play defense.

More deflecting from Jim McGinn, because he has no evidence for his extraordinary claim!

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#722008

FromClaudius Denk <claudiusdenk@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-01 17:46 -0800
Message-ID<aa8f44c8-f61c-4d47-affd-aa68470210a1@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#721877
Like I said, this statement from Saykally proves that either he is a liar or confused. We already have a plethora of data that proves that the current model is wrong or incomplete at best. This data is generally referred to as the anomalies of H2O.  Look it up. 

Are You Confused About Hydrogen Bonding In Water? 
https://youtu.be/RfNuWJDJvRw 

Its interesting how we have a university professor telling blatant lies. We have all these science groupies here telling lie after lie and making claims that they fail to substatiate over and over again and there are no consequences. They never change or learn. The more lies they tell the more conviction the have to tell the next lie and the more support they get from their fellow trolls. 

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#722015

Frompnalsing@gmail.com
Date2019-01-01 19:05 -0800
Message-ID<1531fdda-d7b4-4aeb-8815-3320bd4a9dd6@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#722008
On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 at 5:46:03 PM UTC-8, Claudius Denk wrote:

> Like I said, this statement from Saykally proves that either he is a liar or confused.

Dr. Saykally is unlikely to be the confused individual here... after all, Jim, you don't even know who *you* are...

 We already have a plethora of data that proves that the current model is wrong or incomplete at best. 

And yet you cannot provide any links to this data! Why is that, Jim?

This data is generally referred to as the anomalies of H2O.  Look it up. 

OK, here you are...

https://tinyurl.com/y7y5akg6

... kindly point out the most relevant links...

> Its interesting how we have a university professor telling blatant lies. 

Any lies that you perceive are only in your deluded mind... and your use of apostrophes is atrocious.

We have all these science groupies here telling lie after lie and making claims that they fail to substatiate...

The only one here failing to substantiate their claims is YOU... but then, we already know this...

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#722048

FromJames McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-02 06:56 -0800
Message-ID<aa7ee92a-e5a8-46e2-96b8-f7a99bc3fa15@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#722008
On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 at 5:46:03 PM UTC-8, Claudius Denk wrote:
> Like I said, this statement from Saykally proves that either he is a liar or confused. We already have a plethora of data that proves that the current model is wrong or incomplete at best. This data is generally referred to as the anomalies of H2O.  Look it up. 
> 
> Are You Confused About Hydrogen Bonding In Water? 
> https://youtu.be/RfNuWJDJvRw 
> 
> Its interesting how we have a university professor telling blatant lies. We have all these science groupies here telling lie after lie and making claims that they fail to substatiate over and over again and there are no consequences. They never change or learn. The more lies they tell the more conviction the have to tell the next lie and the more support they get from their fellow trolls.

Spot on!!!

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#722026

FromSergio <invalid@invalid.com>
Date2019-01-01 23:50 -0600
Message-ID<q0hjfo$1ep3$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#721877
On 1/1/2019 1:58 AM, pnalsing@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, December 31, 2018 at 5:19:36 PM UTC-8, James McGinn wrote:
>> MM:
>> And his exact words were: 
>>
>> "The way our business works is that one who argues that a given model is 
>> incorrect and proposes a new one to replace it must also propose an 
>> experimental test that can clearly evidence the claims." 
>>
>> JMcG:
>> The larger truth you are all missing is that science is supposed to be about open minded weighing for truth, not about defending intellectual territory so that it is impermeable to assault by reason. 
>>
>> Saykally is part of a failing paradigm and failing paradigms always play defense.
> 
> More deflecting from Jim McGinn, because he has no evidence for his extraordinary claim!
> 

poor McGinn, his screw fell out when he bent over.


   SO JAMES MCGINN,    HOW DOES A wet SHIRT DRY on a clothes line ?

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#722021

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2019-01-02 04:39 +0000
Message-ID<q0hfa7$g0n$2@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#721834
James McGinn writes:

>MM:
>And his exact words were:

>"The way our business works is that one who argues that a given model is
>incorrect and proposes a new one to replace it must also propose an
>experimental test that can clearly evidence the claims."

>JMcG:
>The larger truth you are all missing is that science is supposed to be 
>about open minded weighing for truth, not about defending intellectual 
>territory so that it is impermeable to assault by reason.

That expression is exactly about open minded weighing of the truth. It
is saying "Come here with evidence that you're right and we'll update our
science." You have to admit it makes perfect sense and is quite fair.

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#722029

FromJames McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-01 21:58 -0800
Message-ID<08b9a091-94c9-43b8-a48b-77efa45d1235@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#722021
James McGinn writes: 

>MM: 
>And his exact words were: 

>"The way our business works is that one who argues that a given model is 
>incorrect and proposes a new one to replace it must also propose an 
>experimental test that can clearly evidence the claims." 

>JMcG: 
>The larger truth you are all missing is that science is supposed to be 
>about open minded weighing for truth, not about defending intellectual 
>territory so that it is impermeable to assault by reason. 

That expression is exactly about open minded weighing of the truth. It 
is saying "Come here with evidence that you're right and we'll update our 
science." You have to admit it makes perfect sense and is quite fair. 

Saykally is a convoluted vague nitwit, just like y'all.

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#722030

Frompnalsing@gmail.com
Date2019-01-01 22:08 -0800
Message-ID<ed4524b4-e2ec-4bfc-85b7-5e2ce9e2ed5a@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#722029
On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 at 9:58:39 PM UTC-8, James McGinn wrote:

> Saykally is a convoluted vague nitwit, just like y'all.

Dr. Satkally is a very respected member of the scientific community, and you are not fit to lick the sweat from his balls...

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#722032

FromClaudius Denk <claudiusdenk@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-01 22:18 -0800
Message-ID<4bfefabe-4501-4949-a460-182c280bab3f@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#722030
Like you have a clue you lying piece of shit. 

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