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  Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-07 15:42 -0800
    Re: Larger Planetary Bodies pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-12-07 21:52 -0800
      Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-07 23:31 -0800
      Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 05:06 -0800
      Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 04:52 -0800
        Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 13:43 +0000
          Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 06:12 -0800
            Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 14:15 +0000
          Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 06:16 -0800
            Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 06:29 -0800
              Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 08:03 -0800
                Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 16:27 +0000
                  Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 09:10 -0800
                    Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 17:50 +0000
                      Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 10:21 -0800
                        Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 10:27 -0800
                          Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 19:15 +0000
                            Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 14:59 -0800
                              Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 23:39 +0000
                                Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 16:19 -0800
                                  Re: Larger Planetary Bodies moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-09 01:15 +0000
                                  Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-09 12:52 +0000
                            Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 14:42 -0800
                              Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 15:15 -0800
                              Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-09 12:03 +0100
                                Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-09 05:39 -0800
                                  Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-09 14:14 +0000
                                    Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-09 06:40 -0800
                                      Re: Larger Planetary Bodies moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-09 17:42 +0000
                                  Re: Larger Planetary Bodies moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-09 17:25 +0000
                                  Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-09 21:28 +0100
                                    Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-10 05:57 -0800
                                      Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-11 01:32 +0000
                                      Re: Larger Planetary Bodies moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-11 05:37 +0000
                                        Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-11 01:30 -0800
                                          Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-11 12:55 +0000
                                            Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-11 06:02 -0800
                                              Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-11 18:05 +0000
                                                Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-11 11:55 -0800
                                                  Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-11 20:31 +0000
                                                    Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-11 13:25 -0800
                                                      Re: Larger Planetary Bodies moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-11 22:11 +0000
                                                        Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-11 14:23 -0800
                                                          Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-11 14:28 -0800
                                                            Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-12 13:53 +0000
                                                              Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-12 09:58 -0800
                                                                Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-12 18:25 +0000
                                                                Re: Larger Planetary Bodies moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-12 19:39 +0000
                                                                  Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-12 15:00 -0800
                                                                    Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-12 23:29 +0000
                                                                    Re: Larger Planetary Bodies pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-12-12 18:36 -0800
                                                                      Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-12 21:46 -0800
                                                                        Re: Larger Planetary Bodies pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-12-12 21:54 -0800
                                                                          Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-13 04:44 -0800
                                                                            Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-13 13:44 +0000
                                                                              Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-13 18:39 -0800
                                                                        Re: Larger Planetary Bodies moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-13 06:17 +0000
                                                          Re: Larger Planetary Bodies moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-12 06:00 +0000
                                                            Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-12 04:49 -0800
                                                              Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-12 13:40 +0000
                                                      Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-12 13:53 +0000
                                          Re: Larger Planetary Bodies moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-11 14:25 +0000
                                            Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-11 07:46 -0800
                                              Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-12 00:02 +0100
                                                Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-11 18:19 -0800
                                                  Re: Larger Planetary Bodies moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-12 19:26 +0000
                                            Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-12-12 13:36 -0600
                                      Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-11 23:30 +0100
                                        Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-11 14:37 -0800
                                          Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-11 23:51 +0100
                                            Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-11 15:03 -0800
                                              Re: Larger Planetary Bodies poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-12-11 21:03 -0800
                        Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 19:15 +0000
                          Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-09 03:32 +0000
                            Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 23:57 -0800
                              Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-09 02:33 -0800
                              Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-09 12:52 +0000
              Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 08:05 -0800
                Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 16:27 +0000
              Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 16:23 +0000
              Re: Larger Planetary Bodies moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-08 18:30 +0000
    Re: Larger Planetary Bodies poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-12-08 17:16 -0800

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#717731

Odd
“splutter word salad 
using various terms you think you’ve heard somewhere but it all seems like ”
I’m happier and happier with my model.
How’s urs doing? How’s that Dark Matter idea faring?
Good luck with that

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#717736

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Odd
>"splutter word salad
>using various terms you think you've heard somewhere but it all seems like "
>I'm happier and happier with my model.

Ummm, that brings up a vision of a severely mentally handicapped person
sitting in a corner, babbling nonsense to himself, but happy as a clam
simply because he doesn't have enough intelligence to even know what is
going on around him, but he likes the sound of his own babbling.

Is that the picture I should have of you???

>How's urs doing? How's that Dark Matter idea faring?
>Good luck with that

It's not "his", or mine. Regardless, it is doing quite well. Successful
for decades and getting better all the time as more information fills in
the holes.

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#717738

MM
“Successful 
for decades and getting better all the time as more information fills in ”
Ur delusional.
They just found another huge planet packed with Helium in its “gravitational reverse-well”

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#717741

“They just found another huge planet packed with Helium in its “gravitational reverse-well” ”
https://windowonthesky.blogspot.com/2018/12/researchers-find-helium-exoplanet.html?m=1

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#717856

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> “They just found another huge planet packed with Helium in its
> “gravitational reverse-well” ”
> https://windowonthesky.blogspot.com/2018/12/researchers-find-helium-exoplanet.html?m=1
> 

What gravitational reverse well? WHAAAAT?

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#717892

Odd
“What gravitational reverse well? WHAAAAT”

I’ll explain this once again, stupid.

The matter everywhere pushes on Matter everywhere. 
A bigger planet’s push will exceed the push coming from Space above its surface. The two will equalize at some point above the surface, where stuff will be weightless.
I’m pretty sure I didn’t say ‘reverse well’.

Read the post a few times, maybe you’ll get it

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#717893

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> “What gravitational reverse well? WHAAAAT”
> 
> I’ll explain this once again, stupid.
> 
> The matter everywhere pushes on Matter everywhere. 
> A bigger planet’s push will exceed the push coming from Space above its
> surface. The two will equalize at some point above the surface, where
> stuff will be weightless.
> I’m pretty sure I didn’t say ‘reverse well’.
> 
> Read the post a few times, maybe you’ll get it
> 

What I know is that the article doesn’t say anything about what you’re
talking about. What you are in the habit of doing is citing an article,
foisting some silly interpretation of yours in it, and then claiming “See?
The authors of this paper agree with me!”

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#717914

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Odd
>"What gravitational reverse well? WHAAAAT"

>I'll explain this once again, stupid.

>The matter everywhere pushes on Matter everywhere.

And why is this true? Because "I, John Sefton, say so, end of discussion!" ?

>A bigger planet's push will exceed the push coming from Space above
>its surface. The two will equalize at some point above the surface, where
>stuff will be weightless.

So how come we've NEVER observed this? We've always seen gravity obey the
inverse square law where it ALWAYS gets stronger closer to the planet!

Where is your proof or evidence???? What, you don't have any???


>I'm pretty sure I didn't say 'reverse well'.

You most certainly did!

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  MM
  "Successful
  for decades and getting better all the time as more information fills in "
  Ur delusional.
  They just found another huge planet packed with Helium in its 
  "gravitational reverse-well"

The article NEVER mentions any "reverse-well" or anything like that.

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#718005

Odd
“The article NEVER mentions any "reverse-well" or anything like that. ”
Oh no!
Poor Odd!
And energy coming from the matter is obvious: stars shine.
It’s an obvious corollary to ‘galaxies are like atoms’.
Prove me wrong

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#718040

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> “The article NEVER mentions any "reverse-well" or anything like that. ”
> Oh no!
> Poor Odd!
> And energy coming from the matter is obvious: stars shine.
> It’s an obvious corollary to ‘galaxies are like atoms’.
> Prove me wrong

You want all sorts of attention to your brain farts, John. And you get all
excited all by yourself over them. 

> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#718070

On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 3:00:57 PM UTC-8, john wrote:

> And energy coming from the matter is obvious: stars shine.
> It’s an obvious corollary to ‘galaxies are like atoms’.
> Prove me wrong

You have this completely backward, John. *YOU* are presenting a theory that is different than what mainstream science currently accepts, which is fine, just fine... but the burden is on *you* to come up with experiments, in the form of observations and/or experiments in support of your new theory. It is in *no way* a requirement that others need to 'prove you wrong' in any way, shape or form. that is the way science works and that is how science has always worked, no matter how badly *you* want the attention that you so obviously crave. So, get to work!

By the way, it is not at all obvious that 'galaxies are like atoms', which is just another so-called theory of yours, and for which, once again, *you* need to provide the evidence that this theory is correct... others have zero responsibility to show that you are wrong. Zero. Nada. Nothing at all. It is ALL on you!

If you cannot supply support for your theories, you need to just fade away, for there is no joy for you here, and you will be branded as just another Crank with a big mouth and nothing to say... of course, it may already be too late for you because you seem to be awfully Cranky now...

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#718100

pnal
“with a big mouth and nothing to say... of course, it may already b”
Galaxies precess

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#718103

On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 9:46:11 PM UTC-8, john wrote:
> pnal
> “with a big mouth and nothing to say... of course, it may already b”
> Galaxies precess

I had plenty to say, even if *you* didn't like it.

Sorry, John, without evidence of your extreme;y weak claims, you lose.

Simple. That's how science works. Loud voices are worthless.

Provide evidence, or walk in shame. Your call.

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#718151

pnal
“Provide evidence, or walk in shame.”
Of galactic precession?
1. Asymmetrical rotation curves 
2. Warps
3. Bent jets
4. Spherical halos
5. Double-layered halos

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#718152

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> pnal
> “Provide evidence, or walk in shame.”
> Of galactic precession?
> 1. Asymmetrical rotation curves 
> 2. Warps
> 3. Bent jets
> 4. Spherical halos
> 5. Double-layered halos
> 

All of which are already accounted for by mechanisms that don’t violate
conservation of angular momentum. 

You on the other hand would rather dispense with laws of physics than to
entertain a new kind of matter like what has been seen dozens of times in
the past century. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#718268

Odd
“You on the other hand would rather dispense with laws of physics than to 
entertain a new kind of matter like what has been seen dozens of times in 
the past century. ”
DM is fantasy.
PLUS- I don’t understand how you can say it makes sense, when trying to understand how Matter gravitates, to propose a brand new matter as the solution? “ Hey guys, we’re trying to understand what our matter here that we can see and feel and test is doing- maybe it’s caused by a Matter we can’t see and feel and test?”
Yah, that’s brilliant

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#718108

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Galaxies precess

And exactly why is this so, despite violating many laws of physics?

Because "I, John Sefton, said so!  End of discussion!!" ?

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#717829

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>MM
>"Successful
>for decades and getting better all the time as more information fills in
>"
>Ur delusional.

Nope. Any sane scientist will agree with that.

>They just found another huge planet packed with Helium in its "gravitational
>reverse-well"

What gravitational reverse well? There isn't any such babbling in that
article.  However, there is this:

  "The observations show helium being blasted away from the planet by 
  radiation from its host star."

and this:

  "Vincent Bourrier explained: "Helium is blown away from the day side of 
  the planet to its night side at over 10,000 km an hour. Because it is 
  such a light gas, it escapes easily from the attraction of the planet 
  and forms an extended cloud all around it." 

So we learn that helium is a light gas and it doesn't take much to knock
it loose from a planet's gravity. Ya think?  A six year old with a He 
balloon gets that. Perhaps after you find a six year old (who doesn't
run away) who can explain "invisible heavy stuff" to you, ask him about
how helium works.

Ever wonder why if helium (and hydrogen) are so common, and Jupiter and
Saturn have gobs of He and H, yet Earth and the smaller planets don't?  
(well, of course Earth has hydrogen in compounds)

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#717849

MM
“Ever wonder why if helium (and hydrogen) are so common, and Jupiter and 
Saturn have gobs of He and H, yet Earth and the smaller planets don't?   ”
I just told you- once a planet gets big enough, it is putting out more locally than it receives. This creates a ‘reverse gravity’ situation that Helium and Hydrogen are attracted to since they are rotating in all three planes and go TOWARDS areas of excess push

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#717850

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> MM
> “Ever wonder why if helium (and hydrogen) are so common, and Jupiter and 
> Saturn have gobs of He and H, yet Earth and the smaller planets don't?   ”
> I just told you- once a planet gets big enough, it is putting out more
> locally than it receives. This creates a ‘reverse gravity’ situation that
> Helium and Hydrogen are attracted to since they are rotating in all three
> planes and go TOWARDS areas of excess push
> 

How about the real explanation, you know, from science and stuff. 

In thermal equilibrium with the atmosphere, light elements like hydrogen
and helium have higher thermal speeds than heavier gases. Therefore, in
smaller gravities, they are statistically favored to escape the atmosphere.
Which is why almost all helium on earth is extracted from the ground. 

But I hear you, John: “I don’t have a clue about any of the conventional
explanations. Couldn’t be bothered to learn them. I just like making my own
ideas up.  Makes me feel all creative and sciencey and shit. My ideas are
much better than the regular ideas because they’re mine.”

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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