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| Started by | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2018-12-07 15:42 -0800 |
| Last post | 2018-12-08 17:16 -0800 |
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Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-07 15:42 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-12-07 21:52 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-07 23:31 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 05:06 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 04:52 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 13:43 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 06:12 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 14:15 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 06:16 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 06:29 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 08:03 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 16:27 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 09:10 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 17:50 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 10:21 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 10:27 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 19:15 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 14:59 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 23:39 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 16:19 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-09 01:15 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-09 12:52 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 14:42 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 15:15 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-09 12:03 +0100
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-09 05:39 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-09 14:14 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-09 06:40 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-09 17:42 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-09 17:25 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-09 21:28 +0100
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-10 05:57 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-11 01:32 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-11 05:37 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-11 01:30 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-11 12:55 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-11 06:02 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-11 18:05 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-11 11:55 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-11 20:31 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-11 13:25 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-11 22:11 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-11 14:23 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-11 14:28 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-12 13:53 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-12 09:58 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-12 18:25 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-12 19:39 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-12 15:00 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-12 23:29 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-12-12 18:36 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-12 21:46 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-12-12 21:54 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-13 04:44 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-13 13:44 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-13 18:39 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-13 06:17 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-12 06:00 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-12 04:49 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-12 13:40 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-12 13:53 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-11 14:25 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-11 07:46 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-12 00:02 +0100
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-11 18:19 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-12 19:26 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-12-12 13:36 -0600
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-11 23:30 +0100
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-11 14:37 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-11 23:51 +0100
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-11 15:03 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-12-11 21:03 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 19:15 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-09 03:32 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 23:57 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-09 02:33 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-09 12:52 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 08:05 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 16:27 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 16:23 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-08 18:30 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-12-08 17:16 -0800
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2018-12-09 01:15 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <puhqb3$9r4$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #717407 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >Odd >"You don't even know where to start, do you? > >I told you: from the premise that all matter gives off long range push >and also absorbs this same push. And just why do you believe this? Actual evidence please, evidence not contradicted or disproven elsewhere. >You said it was too simple, before. >So simple you forgot it? >So simple you can't figure it out? Wrong isn't necessarily simple. Wrong is just wrong. >What, Odd? >I can help. >Let me help you. >You keep muttering "math, math" do you need water? So where is your math? Where is your math formula that goes something like this: 'For a planet of radius R and mass M and (any other assumptions) I calculate with this formula: ...... and I compute this radius r where the gravitational force = 0.' The formula is because blah blah blah. That way you could at least claim to have a model. Won't make it correct, (since you are starting off with long-discredited LeSage gravitation) but it would at least be a start for you.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-12-09 12:52 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <puj35r$1d9m$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #717407 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > Odd > “You don’t even know where to start, do you? With the math, John. With the math. > ” > I told you: from the premise that all matter gives off long range push > and also absorbs this same push. > You said it was too simple, before. > So simple you forgot it? > So simple you can’t figure it out? > What, Odd? > I can help. > Let me help you. > You keep muttering “math, math” do you need water? > -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-12-08 14:42 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <b3eb63b1-dc89-40b7-af0a-fc42446d9fc0@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #717369 |
So, that’s why the clouds are so layered, on Jupiter; you have this clash of the two gravities occurring above the planets surface, and you have two skies and then a middle layer of denser material
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-12-08 15:15 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <5f5347a6-3d40-4f62-8e54-1203e61791de@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #717399 |
So you see, Odd, from the simple premise that all matter emits and absorbs long range gravitational push, we have figured out what causes layering of clouds on Jupiter and accumulation of He and H by stars! Aren’t we having fun with our model?
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| From | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> |
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| Date | 2018-12-09 12:03 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <0580bf57-bed8-8f0e-62c5-cb75c93706cb@PointedEars.de> |
| In reply to | #717399 |
john wrote: > So, that’s why the clouds are so layered, on Jupiter; you have this clash of the two gravities occurring above the planets surface, and you have two skies and then a middle layer of denser material No. -- PointedEars Twitter: @PointedEars2 Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-12-09 05:39 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <297daab8-8e38-47bd-8c54-b3fd1959b2c1@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #717442 |
Thomas “No” You guys! I have all these good ideas, and it’s just ‘no, no, no’. So nogative!
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-12-09 14:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <puj80j$1ml8$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #717446 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > Thomas > “No” > > You guys! > I have all these good ideas, and it’s just ‘no, no, no’. > So nogative! > Whether they’re good is determined by calculations you do with them, not your fondness of them. -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-12-09 06:40 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <60bdbda8-035d-41a3-8154-d71fc27581de@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #717449 |
Great, Odd. What I have done differently is to make the matter the source of what affects the matter. Note correct usage of verb ‘affects’, Thomas.
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2018-12-09 17:42 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pujk6d$jb1$2@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #717450 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >Great, Odd. >What I have done differently is to make the matter the source of what >affects the matter. >Note correct usage of verb 'affects', Thomas. OK, so *how* does it affect the matter? You should be able to express that mathematically. In fact, to develop a model, you *must* express it mathematically. Example: The sun's mass affects a planet by its gravity. OK, so *how* is the planet affected? In Newtonian gravity the effect is an attractive force, you define a few things G, M, m and r and the force is equal to GMm/r^2. (I'm overlooking completely the reasoning behind why you consider your "good ideas" to be good in the first place for this post) OK, using the convention that an attractive gravitational force is positive, therefore repulsive is negative, your bizarre idea has this property that from far away it is attractive (positive), at a certain radius it is zero, and closer it is repulsive. Sounds like a perfect place where you need a mathematical function similar to the above for Newtonian gravity, of the form F=f(r,M,m). All you need to do is to describe mathematically what the function "f" is. Then you have a crude model, easy peasy!
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2018-12-09 17:25 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pujj5k$jb1$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #717446 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >Thomas >"No" >You guys! >I have all these good ideas, and it's just "no, no, no". >So nogative! Digging up long disproven theories, like digging up long-dead bodies, is rarely a good idea.
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| From | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> |
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| Date | 2018-12-09 21:28 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <a468a373-e31b-38b0-b02c-a1472a55a00b@PointedEars.de> |
| In reply to | #717446 |
john wrote: > Thomas > “No” > > You guys! > I have all these good ideas, and it’s just ‘no, no, no’. If it were a good idea, I would not say “No”. > So nogative! That’s _nougative_. Much more tasty. Learn to quote. -- PointedEars Twitter: @PointedEars2 Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-12-10 05:57 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <51b73cf5-1c05-43ae-bf0e-858df04d54d6@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #717500 |
Thomas “If it were a good idea, I would not say “No”. ” But you guys say ‘no’ to ALL my ideas. Nary a mention of about my nice ‘S’ orbit. It turned out especially good, and provides insights into behaviour of H and He, AYE think. And it LOOKS like an ‘S’. :) Here, look again http://users.accesscomm.ca/sefton/Helium.GIF
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-12-11 01:32 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pun446$1lpg$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #717550 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > Thomas > “If it were a good idea, I would not say “No”. > ” > But you guys say ‘no’ to ALL my ideas. > Nary a mention of about my nice ‘S’ orbit. > It turned out especially good, and provides insights into behaviour of H and He, AYE think. > And it LOOKS like an ‘S’. > :) > > Here, look again > http://users.accesscomm.ca/sefton/Helium.GIF > You see this as some kind of game, and you want to play too. And it bothers you when people tell you that you don’t even know the rules. Hey guys, I’m over here! Over here! Throw the ball to me!! -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2018-12-11 05:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <punifb$6h5$2@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #717550 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >Thomas >"If it were a good idea, I would not say "No". >" >But you guys say 'no' to ALL my ideas. And with good reason. Consuming hallucinogens from Little Pharma and posting the resulting visions here is hardly the way to do science. >Nary a mention of about my nice 'S' orbit. >It turned out especially good, and provides insights into behaviour of H >and He, AYE think. No, you don't think. You just say 'hey, it's pretty! Include it in atomic physics!!' You are misplaced. You need to find some other audience for your spinny things. You keep coming up with impossibilities and violations of the laws of physics here. There must be some use for retarded precessing spinny things, or the curve they trace. Perhaps a new and different seam for a baseball, for example? Maybe art??
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-12-11 01:30 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <dcfdaae5-184d-4a2b-ac9d-a260a9b0ab64@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #717650 |
MM “Perhaps a new and different seam for a baseball, for example? Maybe art?? ” Or, hey, maybe Science will realize that electrons are actual physical objects that have trajectories. TV tubes take advantage of this aspect about electrons to make images. Funny how they’re suddenly not wandering randomly then!
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-12-11 12:55 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <puoc48$9h6$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #717658 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > MM > “Perhaps a new and different seam for a baseball, for example? > Maybe art?? ” > Or, hey, maybe Science will realize that electrons are actual physical > objects that have trajectories. Except in bound states. > TV tubes take advantage of this aspect about electrons to make images. > Funny how they’re suddenly not wandering randomly then! Not strange at all. That’s exactly what QM says should happen. > -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-12-11 06:02 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <9455651e-5f4a-46b3-a170-9a50e6ce4320@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #717664 |
Odd “Not strange at all. That’s exactly what QM says should happen. ” QM is BS Electrons certainly retain their mass whether bound or not. Binding electrons doesn’t suddenly turn them into “quantum foam” or whatever your nonsensical word is for ‘magic’ these days. You live in a wonderful magical fantasy, Odd.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-12-11 18:05 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <puou8m$1jot$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #717665 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > Odd > “Not strange at all. That’s exactly what QM says should happen. ” > QM is BS > Electrons certainly retain their mass whether bound or not. Yes that’s certainly true. >Binding electrons doesn’t suddenly turn them into “quantum foam” or > whatever your nonsensical word is for ‘magic’ these days. I have no idea what you’re talking about. You are just spewing words that you saw someplace that you don’t know the meaning of, and trying to fling them like poo on the stuff you don’t understand. QM isn’t magic. But anything looks like magic to someone who has no idea how it works. Heck, swiping a box of mac’n’cheese across a pane of glass at the supermarket checkout and having the price magically appear on the cash register without any human even looking at the price will look like magic to some people. It’s not magic, John. It just looks that way to you. > You live in a wonderful magical fantasy, Odd. > -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-12-11 11:55 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <e67609b8-b60e-43a8-bc7d-50d809306d7a@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #717703 |
Odd “I have no idea what you’re talking about. You are just spewing words that ” And you can’t explain because I don’t know math. Gotcha.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-12-11 20:31 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pup6r0$1jkc$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #717718 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > Odd > “I have no idea what you’re talking about. You are just spewing words that ” > And you can’t explain because I don’t know math. > Gotcha. > That’s right. So you know neither the math nor the jargon, and so you splutter word salad using various terms you think you’ve heard somewhere but it all seems like magic to you. And somehow this is everyone else’s fault but not yours. Got it. -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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