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| First post | 2018-11-27 18:08 -0800 |
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Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-11-27 18:08 -0800
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-11-27 19:15 -0800
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 10:55 -0800
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 19:51 +0000
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 15:32 -0800
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 15:41 -0800
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 03:22 +0000
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 03:22 +0000
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 20:46 -0800
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 12:13 +0000
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 04:28 -0800
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 13:22 +0000
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 14:04 +0000
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 10:01 -0800
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 11:08 -0800
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 23:03 +0000
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 16:33 -0800
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-01 02:44 +0000
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-01 03:15 -0800
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-01 06:40 -0800
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-01 23:03 +0100
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-01 14:18 -0800
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-01 14:33 -0800
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-01 23:49 +0100
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-01 16:22 -0800
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-02 11:46 +0100
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-02 05:23 -0800
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-02 18:10 +0000
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-02 12:49 -0800
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-02 21:53 +0000
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 02:03 +0000
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 02:39 -0800
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 12:30 +0000
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 06:05 -0800
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-03 14:32 +0000
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 06:36 -0800
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-03 14:55 +0000
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 08:11 -0800
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 15:17 +0000
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 08:13 -0800
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 20:19 +0000
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-13 18:31 -0800
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-13 19:27 -0800
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-02 18:04 +0000
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-02 12:52 -0800
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-02 13:08 -0800
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-02 13:46 -0800
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-02 22:00 +0000
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-02 21:57 +0000
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-03 01:15 +0100
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-03 01:49 +0100
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-01 23:48 +0100
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-02 18:01 +0000
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-01 15:43 +0000
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-01 08:38 -0800
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-02 17:58 +0000
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-11-30 21:07 -0800
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 16:42 -0800
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 03:22 +0000
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-11-29 18:01 -0800
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? carleto4157990662@gmail.com - 2018-11-29 11:23 -0800
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-11-29 11:57 -0800
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2018-11-29 15:22 -0800
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-11-30 21:17 -0800
Re: Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-11-30 21:27 -0800
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| From | "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-27 18:08 -0800 |
| Subject | Can A Powerful Black Hole Put light in Orbit? |
| Message-ID | <6bb6a66a-e688-4cf6-98e6-098f5dc1a877@googlegroups.com> |
That is worth answering.That would make a ring around it.Will aliens 285 million years ahead of humankind add diamond dust to this ring? If we find this to be,then we must call it the Taylor diamond ring.In honer of a great lady Bert
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| From | "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> |
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| Date | 2018-11-27 19:15 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <ptl1a7$n10$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #715031 |
SwineBert "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> whose email address anagrams to <reber_A.Hitler_z0g@gmail.com> (reber_A.Hitler), has issued numerous threats with Israel's H-Bomb "David" in boner of a great lady Bert. > This Jewish man, reber_A.Hitler, is an Olde Kacker who lives in a van, with a bucket that he shits into, was sentenced to 10 years in jail for making antisemitic bomb threats. Olde Kacker reber_A.Hitler is autistic & eats 21 pills each day. > The judge in the case acknowledged the Olde Kacker's autism, but said he had "a high IQ of 1-point-22 and understands his deeds very well", adding: "If not for his medical condition, the defendant would have received a much longer sentence." Olde Kacker is Jewish & from the city of Anaheim in southern Cal. > <https://news.sky.com/story/jewish-man-sentenced-to-10-years-in-jail-for-making-antisemitic-bomb-threats-11560326> > Hmmm-<snicker>-<chuckle>-<chortle>- ROTFLMAO
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-29 10:55 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <0fc420c2-eb7c-4e23-a75b-aab79300bbdf@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #715036 |
The ‘accretion discs’ are trapped photons
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-29 19:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ptpg0p$17uu$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #715427 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > The ‘accretion discs’ are trapped photons > Which emit Xrays? How do photons emit Xrays? -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-29 15:32 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <2aacbadb-8087-48a4-b5a8-fbaddcecaa73@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #715438 |
Odd “Which emit Xrays? How do photons emit Xrays? ” Photons are xrays
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-29 15:41 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <05052a78-8528-4dd2-9bdd-97dd35f04eab@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #715538 |
Odd “Which emit Xrays? How do photons emit Xrays? ” Photons are xrays And since accretion discs are baby quasars, do quasars also give off xrays?
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-30 03:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ptqado$g6g$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #715544 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > Odd > “Which emit Xrays? How do photons emit Xrays? ” > Photons are xrays Yes. Well, xrays are a kind of photon. Cats are mammals. Mammals aren’t cats. > And since accretion discs are baby quasars, No. > do quasars also give off xrays? > -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-30 03:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ptqadp$g6g$3@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #715538 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > Odd > “Which emit Xrays? How do photons emit Xrays? ” > Photons are xrays > Yes and do photons emit photons? -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-29 20:46 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <31b01379-5fe7-4bd5-aeda-6b5772e36218@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #715628 |
Odd “Yes and do photons emit photons? ” When they’re packed together? I can see photons gaining energy by merging and being able to get out of the spin. You can’t see that?
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-30 12:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ptr9gg$44b$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #715635 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > Odd > “Yes and do photons emit photons? ” > When they’re packed together? I can see photons gaining energy by merging > and being able to get out of the spin. You can’t see that? > But do they? Is this observed in the lab? Not what you could IMAGINE happening. You can imagine horses and people mating to produce centaurs, but does that really happen? -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-30 04:28 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <4ebec126-7ea3-43db-9825-7fcb00092dd8@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #715682 |
Odd “But do they? Is this observed in the lab?” Which lab hosts an experimental black hole? Get them to run tests. I’m sure they’ll listen to you
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-30 13:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ptrdji$bva$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #715683 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > Odd > “But do they? Is this observed in the lab?” > Which lab hosts an experimental black hole? > Get them to run tests. > I’m sure they’ll listen to you > So here’s the deal there. The laws of physics are universal. For example, the laws of electrodynamics are the same in a metal, inside an atom, out in deep space, at the event horizon of a black hole, or in a particle accelerator. So you don’t have to replicate a black hole to see what photons do and don’t do. You can look at them in other circumstances, where there is (you suggest) a high density of them with energies comparable to X-ray production. That’s it. And there are LOTS of experimental situations that produce those conditions. Where you diverge from science is saying that everything is circumstantial, that physical laws aren’t universal, and that in black holes EVERYTHING is different and so anything that can be imagined is possible. -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-30 14:04 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ptrg1h$hcl$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #715688 |
Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> wrote: > john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: >> Odd >> “But do they? Is this observed in the lab?” >> Which lab hosts an experimental black hole? >> Get them to run tests. >> I’m sure they’ll listen to you >> > > So here’s the deal there. The laws of physics are universal. For example, > the laws of electrodynamics are the same in a metal, inside an atom, out in > deep space, at the event horizon of a black hole, or in a particle > accelerator. So you don’t have to replicate a black hole to see what > photons do and don’t do. You can look at them in other circumstances, where > there is (you suggest) a high density of them with energies comparable to > X-ray production. That’s it. And there are LOTS of experimental situations > that produce those conditions. > > Where you diverge from science is saying that everything is circumstantial, > that physical laws aren’t universal, and that in black holes EVERYTHING is > different and so anything that can be imagined is possible. > If this seems strange to you John, we can take a different approach. There is one common characteristic of any particle that emits photons. What is that characteristic? Put a different way, what is the one common characteristic of all particles that interact electromagnetically? I’m sure if you think a bit, this will come to you. If it helps, write down on a piece of paper all the particles you know and note for each one whether they interact electromagnetically. Then the one trait will jump right out at you. -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-30 10:01 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <d53d5bc3-3d7a-45e0-8229-39ed68126e42@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #715689 |
On Friday, November 30, 2018 at 6:04:38 AM UTC-8, Odd Bodkin wrote: > Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> wrote: > > john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Odd > >> “But do they? Is this observed in the lab?” > >> Which lab hosts an experimental black hole? > >> Get them to run tests. > >> I’m sure they’ll listen to you > >> > > > > So here’s the deal there. The laws of physics are universal. For example, > > the laws of electrodynamics are the same in a metal, inside an atom, out in > > deep space, at the event horizon of a black hole, or in a particle > > accelerator. So you don’t have to replicate a black hole to see what > > photons do and don’t do. You can look at them in other circumstances, where > > there is (you suggest) a high density of them with energies comparable to > > X-ray production. That’s it. And there are LOTS of experimental situations > > that produce those conditions. > > > > Where you diverge from science is saying that everything is circumstantial, > > that physical laws aren’t universal, and that in black holes EVERYTHING is > > different and so anything that can be imagined is possible. > > > > If this seems strange to you John, we can take a different approach. > > There is one common characteristic of any particle that emits photons. What > is that characteristic? > > Put a different way, what is the one common characteristic of all particles > that interact electromagnetically? > > I’m sure if you think a bit, this will come to you. If it helps, write down > on a piece of paper all the particles you know and note for each one > whether they interact electromagnetically. Then the one trait will jump > right out at you. > > -- > Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables Can 5 mirrors put light in a circle? If so for how long? Will the photons end up as heat? Bert
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-30 11:08 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <56de4757-0a43-4e26-85de-b8b19384e36f@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #715689 |
Bod “sure if you think a bit, this will come to you. If it helps, write down on a piece of paper all the particles you know and note for each one ” No, but have something in the lab where light is constrained on a circle, then keep packing in photons. But no Black Holes available in the lab, therefore not verifiable?
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-30 23:03 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ptsfjr$bqr$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #715763 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > Bod > “sure if you think a bit, this will come to you. If it helps, write down > on a piece of paper all the particles you know and note for each one ” > No, So just to be sure — you have no idea what the common characteristic is that a particle must have to interact electromagnetically, to emit photons. Ok then. Here it is: nonzero electric charge. Note that photons do not emit photons because they have zero electric charge. > but have something in the lab where light is constrained on a circle, > then keep packing in photons. > But no Black Holes available in the lab, therefore not verifiable? Already addressed. You don’t need the specific circumstance because the law applies in more than that circumstance. > -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-30 16:33 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <6c9f9459-ced5-42ee-b13f-dbc3907cc126@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #715792 |
Odd “Already addressed. You don’t need the specific circumstance because the law applies in more than that circumstance. “ What law? Just because we have ONLY seen photons emitted in the circumstances you describe only makes it MORE likely that they also do the other. Just like it makes perfect sense to you to base your entire scientific model on something with no structure- even though such has NEVER been seen. Right? You are selectively logical you foxy Odd you
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-12-01 02:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ptsshn$t9c$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #715803 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > Odd > “Already addressed. You don’t need the specific circumstance because the law > applies in more than that circumstance. “ > > What law? > Just because we have ONLY seen photons emitted in the circumstances you > describe only makes it MORE likely that they also do the other. > Just like it makes perfect sense to you to base your entire scientific > model on something with no structure- even though such has NEVER been seen. > Right? > > You are selectively logical you foxy Odd you > Compositeness isn’t a law. But charge being the character of electromagnetic interaction is. I love how you think that just about ANYTHING can happen in a black hole. -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-12-01 03:15 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <4fa792b5-80a3-4daa-925c-3e6c29e29530@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #715823 |
Odd “I love how you think that just about ANYTHING can happen in a black hole. ” Haha. You’re the one who believes in them. Gravity doesn’t work the way that you believe.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-12-01 06:40 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <c61ceb77-d733-4cf7-b60f-6b04bb598068@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #715867 |
What causes gravity comes from all matter. When a planet is small, there is SO MUCH MORE coming from outside. But then a planet gets big enough that what goes out equals what is coming in at its surface. For bigger planets than that, there is then an outwardly-directed gravitational field from the planets surface to some point above the planet. This Space around larger bodies contains more gravitational energy density than regular Space.
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