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Asymmetrical GRCs

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  Asymmetrical GRCs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-25 05:08 -0800
    Asymmetrical GRCs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-25 05:28 -0800
      Re: Asymmetrical GRCs moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-25 14:10 +0000
      Re: Asymmetrical GRCs Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-25 14:26 +0000
    Re: Asymmetrical GRCs moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-25 14:01 +0000
    Re: Asymmetrical GRCs Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-25 14:26 +0000
      Re: Asymmetrical GRCs moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-25 14:53 +0000
        Re: Asymmetrical GRCs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-25 09:03 -0800
          Re: Asymmetrical GRCs moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-25 17:37 +0000
          Re: Asymmetrical GRCs Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-25 18:55 +0000
          Re: Asymmetrical GRCs Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-26 22:14 +0100
            Re: Asymmetrical GRCs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-26 15:29 -0800
              Re: Asymmetrical GRCs Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-27 01:23 +0100
                Re: Asymmetrical GRCs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-27 03:10 -0800
                  Re: Asymmetrical GRCs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-27 07:10 -0800
                    Re: Asymmetrical GRCs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-27 07:54 -0800
                      Re: Asymmetrical GRCs moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-27 16:11 +0000
                    Re: Asymmetrical GRCs moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-27 16:08 +0000
                      Re: Asymmetrical GRCs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-27 21:28 -0800
                        Re: Asymmetrical GRCs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-28 03:47 -0800
                          Re: Asymmetrical GRCs moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-28 13:00 +0000
                            Re: Asymmetrical GRCs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-28 07:45 -0800
                              Re: Asymmetrical GRCs Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-28 17:20 +0000
                              Re: Asymmetrical GRCs moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-28 17:55 +0000
                        Re: Asymmetrical GRCs moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-28 12:54 +0000
                  Re: Asymmetrical GRCs Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-28 00:38 +0100
        Re: Asymmetrical GRCs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-25 09:08 -0800
          Re: Asymmetrical GRCs moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-25 17:49 +0000
          Re: Asymmetrical GRCs Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-25 18:55 +0000
    Re: Asymmetrical GRCs Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-25 21:45 +0100
      Re: Asymmetrical GRCs Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-11-26 19:22 -0600
    Re: Asymmetrical GRCs mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-11-26 13:26 -0800

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#714629 — Asymmetrical GRCs

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-25 05:08 -0800
SubjectAsymmetrical GRCs
Message-ID<580f93c6-35d6-4da7-a2f7-29b7a49cdada@googlegroups.com>
It is impossible for one side of a turning disc to be going faster than the other.
Whether or not you invoke DM.

Galaxies must precess.

How stupid ARE you people?

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#714632

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-25 05:28 -0800
Message-ID<20221f39-4df1-4617-8ddc-46f63dd5e8fa@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#714629
If there were a ‘slow side ‘ and a ‘fast side’, in about two rotations most of the stars would be on the ‘slow side’.
I think Odd and the boys are already there

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#714635

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-11-25 14:10 +0000
Message-ID<pteah0$4pi$2@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#714632
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>If there were a 'slow side ' and a 'fast side', in about two rotations 
>most of the stars would be on the 'slow side'.

What do you think the arms of spiral galaxies are?

They're just regions where many stars have caught up with each other
temporarily.

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#714642

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-25 14:26 +0000
Message-ID<ptebeq$5cc$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#714632
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> If there were a ‘slow side ‘ and a ‘fast side’, in about two rotations
> most of the stars would be on the ‘slow side’.
> I think Odd and the boys are already there
> 

If the slow side is 0.6% slower than the fast side, how many turns will
this take?

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#714634

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-11-25 14:01 +0000
Message-ID<ptea0e$4pi$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#714629
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>It is impossible for one side of a turning disc to be going faster than 
>the other.

Galaxies aren't fixed "turning disks".

Most aren't even spirals with disks.

>Galaxies must precess.

Stating something "must" do what is impossible is pure absurdity itself.

>How stupid ARE you people?

You must be directing that statement at a mirror.

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#714641

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-25 14:26 +0000
Message-ID<ptebep$5cc$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#714629
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> It is impossible for one side of a turning disc to be going faster than the other.

No it’s not, John. It’s just not. It’s impossible for a SOLID disk. But a
galaxy does not turn like a solid disk at all. 

You’re just wrong here. 

Search for examples of turning FLUIDS. Galaxies are like fluids. 

> Whether or not you invoke DM.
> 
> Galaxies must precess.
> 
> How stupid ARE you people?
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#714648

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-11-25 14:53 +0000
Message-ID<pted17$vc8$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#714641
Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> writes:

>john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
>> It is impossible for one side of a turning disc to be going faster than the other.

>No it’s not, John. It’s just not. It’s impossible for a SOLID disk. But a
>galaxy does not turn like a solid disk at all. 

>You’re just wrong here. 

>Search for examples of turning FLUIDS. Galaxies are like fluids. 

John, did you look at the time lapsed images of hurricanes like I told
you?  There were several this season which were excellent examples.
They don't rotate at a constant rate (much faster toward the center) nor 
does one side rotate at the same rate as the other side.
Galaxies resemble hurricanes more than solid disks, although the rotation
curves are quite different.

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#714671

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-25 09:03 -0800
Message-ID<421f03f4-25ea-4bd6-8d44-17d470506d14@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#714648
MM
“Galaxies resemble hurricanes more than solid disks, although the rotation 
curves are quite different. ”
If there were a “slow side”, more stars would be there. Most of them, actually.
We don’t see that.

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#714676

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-11-25 17:37 +0000
Message-ID<ptemlh$mrf$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#714671
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>MM
>"Galaxies resemble hurricanes more than solid disks, although the rotation
>curves are quite different. "
>If there were a "slow side", more stars would be there. Most of them, actually.

Only if symmetrical. And we do see asymmetry.

The stars do bunch up, that's why there are spiral arms in spiral
galaxies.

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#714686

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-25 18:55 +0000
Message-ID<pter6b$11tc$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#714671
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> MM
> “Galaxies resemble hurricanes more than solid disks, although the rotation 
> curves are quite different. ”
> If there were a “slow side”, more stars would be there. Most of them, actually.
> We don’t see that.
> 

Depends on the differential and how many turns it’s acted over. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#714866

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2018-11-26 22:14 +0100
Message-ID<fef5b829-7a40-eae8-3367-783fa499a066@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#714671
Learn to quote.  (corrected below)

john wrote:
> [Michael Moroney wrote: ]
>> [hurricanes]
>> […] nor does one side rotate at the same rate as the other side.

Utter nonsense.

>> Galaxies resemble hurricanes more than solid disks, although the rotation 
>> curves are quite different.
>
> If there were a “slow side”, more stars would be there. Most of them, actually.
> We don’t see that.

There are no sides.  There is no "slow side".  You are misinterpreting the
rotation curve.

And Michael Moroney in part is believing in his own fantasies.

-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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#714889

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-26 15:29 -0800
Message-ID<3db29e3a-cee6-4abb-ab29-12ad8016c42c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#714866
Thomas
“There are no sides.  There is no "slow side".  You are misinterpreting the 
rotation curve. ”
The GRC is composed of the average of two asymmetrical GRCs; one from each side of the disk. Neither is the true GRC. Both are skewed.
Do you realize this? I don’t think so.
The question is what is doing the skewing.
Are you understanding this?
One side, the stars appear slower.
Only DM could be influencing the stars’ speeds like that, they say.

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#714896

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2018-11-27 01:23 +0100
Message-ID<81db21f2-58d2-273e-5e11-047fe578c981@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#714889
john wrote:
> Thomas
> “There are no sides.  There is no "slow side".  You are misinterpreting the 
> rotation curve. ”

<https://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html>

> The GRC is composed of the average of two asymmetrical GRCs; […]

No, it is not.  I have already explained to you in detail what it means.

Read it, and do not reply until you did.

-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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#714946

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-27 03:10 -0800
Message-ID<9821c615-0018-4812-bc20-b870ac5602d2@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#714896
Thomas
‘The rotation curve of a disc galaxy (also called a velocity curve) is a plot of the orbital speeds of visible stars or gas in that galaxy versus their radial distance from that galaxy's centre. It is typically rendered graphically as a plot, and the data observed from each side of a spiral galaxy are generally asymmetric, so that data from each side are averaged to create the curve. ‘

Yes it is

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#714969

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-27 07:10 -0800
Message-ID<d867b827-6d3f-4fd3-9de8-14dc2cdc9e40@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#714946
Thomas 
‘The rotation curve of a disc galaxy (also called a velocity curve) is a plot of the orbital speeds of visible stars or gas in that galaxy versus their radial distance from that galaxy's centre. It is typically rendered graphically as a plot, and the data observed from each side of a spiral galaxy are generally asymmetric, so that data from each side are averaged to create the curve. ‘ 
“generally asymmetric”, unless taken on the axis of precession, when they’re the same

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#714976

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-27 07:54 -0800
Message-ID<ee9d2a09-d13d-4b7a-8488-813c0cdf8b48@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#714969
The rotation curve of a disc galaxy (also called a velocity curve) is a plot of the orbital speeds of visible stars or gas in that galaxy versus their radial distance from that galaxy's centre. It is typically rendered graphically as a plot, and the data observed from each side of a spiral galaxy are generally asymmetric, so that data from each side are averaged to create the curve. ‘ 
“generally asymmetric”, unless taken on the axis of precession, when they’re the same .

I will add- if taken perpendicular to the warps, they will be the same

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#714978

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-11-27 16:11 +0000
Message-ID<ptjqbh$5m3$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#714976
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>I will add- if taken perpendicular to the warps, they will be the same

What warps?
Oh, just another Little Pharma hallucination, never mind.

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#714977

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-11-27 16:08 +0000
Message-ID<ptjq5v$f49$2@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#714969
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>"generally asymmetric", unless taken on the axis of precession, when 
>they're the same

Which exists only in your Little Pharma-addled mind, so they're "generally
asymmetric" period.

But remember that each star has its own orbit with its own period, so the
speeds are averages, and of course that also makes precession impossible.
The average speeds are just slightly different on different sides.

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#715040

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-27 21:28 -0800
Message-ID<72630627-46c1-4df1-be74-ddd3a22855cc@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#714977
MM
“The average speeds are just slightly different on different sides. ”
When do they do the averaging?

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#715068

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-28 03:47 -0800
Message-ID<4bf25d3c-75b5-49c2-b847-4f8d020e19d3@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#715040
MM

“The average speeds are just slightly different on different sides. ” 

Just slightly?
Oh that’s okay then?
I used to think you had a brain, Michael

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