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| Started by | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2018-11-25 05:08 -0800 |
| Last post | 2018-11-26 13:26 -0800 |
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Asymmetrical GRCs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-25 05:08 -0800
Asymmetrical GRCs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-25 05:28 -0800
Re: Asymmetrical GRCs moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-25 14:10 +0000
Re: Asymmetrical GRCs Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-25 14:26 +0000
Re: Asymmetrical GRCs moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-25 14:01 +0000
Re: Asymmetrical GRCs Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-25 14:26 +0000
Re: Asymmetrical GRCs moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-25 14:53 +0000
Re: Asymmetrical GRCs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-25 09:03 -0800
Re: Asymmetrical GRCs moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-25 17:37 +0000
Re: Asymmetrical GRCs Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-25 18:55 +0000
Re: Asymmetrical GRCs Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-26 22:14 +0100
Re: Asymmetrical GRCs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-26 15:29 -0800
Re: Asymmetrical GRCs Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-27 01:23 +0100
Re: Asymmetrical GRCs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-27 03:10 -0800
Re: Asymmetrical GRCs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-27 07:10 -0800
Re: Asymmetrical GRCs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-27 07:54 -0800
Re: Asymmetrical GRCs moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-27 16:11 +0000
Re: Asymmetrical GRCs moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-27 16:08 +0000
Re: Asymmetrical GRCs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-27 21:28 -0800
Re: Asymmetrical GRCs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-28 03:47 -0800
Re: Asymmetrical GRCs moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-28 13:00 +0000
Re: Asymmetrical GRCs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-28 07:45 -0800
Re: Asymmetrical GRCs Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-28 17:20 +0000
Re: Asymmetrical GRCs moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-28 17:55 +0000
Re: Asymmetrical GRCs moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-28 12:54 +0000
Re: Asymmetrical GRCs Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-28 00:38 +0100
Re: Asymmetrical GRCs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-25 09:08 -0800
Re: Asymmetrical GRCs moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-25 17:49 +0000
Re: Asymmetrical GRCs Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-25 18:55 +0000
Re: Asymmetrical GRCs Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-25 21:45 +0100
Re: Asymmetrical GRCs Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-11-26 19:22 -0600
Re: Asymmetrical GRCs mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-11-26 13:26 -0800
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-25 05:08 -0800 |
| Subject | Asymmetrical GRCs |
| Message-ID | <580f93c6-35d6-4da7-a2f7-29b7a49cdada@googlegroups.com> |
It is impossible for one side of a turning disc to be going faster than the other. Whether or not you invoke DM. Galaxies must precess. How stupid ARE you people?
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-25 05:28 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <20221f39-4df1-4617-8ddc-46f63dd5e8fa@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #714629 |
If there were a ‘slow side ‘ and a ‘fast side’, in about two rotations most of the stars would be on the ‘slow side’. I think Odd and the boys are already there
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2018-11-25 14:10 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pteah0$4pi$2@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #714632 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >If there were a 'slow side ' and a 'fast side', in about two rotations >most of the stars would be on the 'slow side'. What do you think the arms of spiral galaxies are? They're just regions where many stars have caught up with each other temporarily.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-25 14:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ptebeq$5cc$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #714632 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > If there were a ‘slow side ‘ and a ‘fast side’, in about two rotations > most of the stars would be on the ‘slow side’. > I think Odd and the boys are already there > If the slow side is 0.6% slower than the fast side, how many turns will this take? -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2018-11-25 14:01 +0000 |
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| In reply to | #714629 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >It is impossible for one side of a turning disc to be going faster than >the other. Galaxies aren't fixed "turning disks". Most aren't even spirals with disks. >Galaxies must precess. Stating something "must" do what is impossible is pure absurdity itself. >How stupid ARE you people? You must be directing that statement at a mirror.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-25 14:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ptebep$5cc$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #714629 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > It is impossible for one side of a turning disc to be going faster than the other. No it’s not, John. It’s just not. It’s impossible for a SOLID disk. But a galaxy does not turn like a solid disk at all. You’re just wrong here. Search for examples of turning FLUIDS. Galaxies are like fluids. > Whether or not you invoke DM. > > Galaxies must precess. > > How stupid ARE you people? > -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2018-11-25 14:53 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pted17$vc8$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #714641 |
Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> writes: >john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: >> It is impossible for one side of a turning disc to be going faster than the other. >No it’s not, John. It’s just not. It’s impossible for a SOLID disk. But a >galaxy does not turn like a solid disk at all. >You’re just wrong here. >Search for examples of turning FLUIDS. Galaxies are like fluids. John, did you look at the time lapsed images of hurricanes like I told you? There were several this season which were excellent examples. They don't rotate at a constant rate (much faster toward the center) nor does one side rotate at the same rate as the other side. Galaxies resemble hurricanes more than solid disks, although the rotation curves are quite different.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-25 09:03 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <421f03f4-25ea-4bd6-8d44-17d470506d14@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #714648 |
MM “Galaxies resemble hurricanes more than solid disks, although the rotation curves are quite different. ” If there were a “slow side”, more stars would be there. Most of them, actually. We don’t see that.
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2018-11-25 17:37 +0000 |
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| In reply to | #714671 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >MM >"Galaxies resemble hurricanes more than solid disks, although the rotation >curves are quite different. " >If there were a "slow side", more stars would be there. Most of them, actually. Only if symmetrical. And we do see asymmetry. The stars do bunch up, that's why there are spiral arms in spiral galaxies.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-25 18:55 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pter6b$11tc$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #714671 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > MM > “Galaxies resemble hurricanes more than solid disks, although the rotation > curves are quite different. ” > If there were a “slow side”, more stars would be there. Most of them, actually. > We don’t see that. > Depends on the differential and how many turns it’s acted over. -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> |
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| Date | 2018-11-26 22:14 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <fef5b829-7a40-eae8-3367-783fa499a066@PointedEars.de> |
| In reply to | #714671 |
Learn to quote. (corrected below) john wrote: > [Michael Moroney wrote: ] >> [hurricanes] >> […] nor does one side rotate at the same rate as the other side. Utter nonsense. >> Galaxies resemble hurricanes more than solid disks, although the rotation >> curves are quite different. > > If there were a “slow side”, more stars would be there. Most of them, actually. > We don’t see that. There are no sides. There is no "slow side". You are misinterpreting the rotation curve. And Michael Moroney in part is believing in his own fantasies. -- PointedEars Twitter: @PointedEars2 Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-26 15:29 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <3db29e3a-cee6-4abb-ab29-12ad8016c42c@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #714866 |
Thomas “There are no sides. There is no "slow side". You are misinterpreting the rotation curve. ” The GRC is composed of the average of two asymmetrical GRCs; one from each side of the disk. Neither is the true GRC. Both are skewed. Do you realize this? I don’t think so. The question is what is doing the skewing. Are you understanding this? One side, the stars appear slower. Only DM could be influencing the stars’ speeds like that, they say.
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| From | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> |
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| Date | 2018-11-27 01:23 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <81db21f2-58d2-273e-5e11-047fe578c981@PointedEars.de> |
| In reply to | #714889 |
john wrote: > Thomas > “There are no sides. There is no "slow side". You are misinterpreting the > rotation curve. ” <https://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html> > The GRC is composed of the average of two asymmetrical GRCs; […] No, it is not. I have already explained to you in detail what it means. Read it, and do not reply until you did. -- PointedEars Twitter: @PointedEars2 Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-27 03:10 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <9821c615-0018-4812-bc20-b870ac5602d2@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #714896 |
Thomas ‘The rotation curve of a disc galaxy (also called a velocity curve) is a plot of the orbital speeds of visible stars or gas in that galaxy versus their radial distance from that galaxy's centre. It is typically rendered graphically as a plot, and the data observed from each side of a spiral galaxy are generally asymmetric, so that data from each side are averaged to create the curve. ‘ Yes it is
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-27 07:10 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <d867b827-6d3f-4fd3-9de8-14dc2cdc9e40@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #714946 |
Thomas ‘The rotation curve of a disc galaxy (also called a velocity curve) is a plot of the orbital speeds of visible stars or gas in that galaxy versus their radial distance from that galaxy's centre. It is typically rendered graphically as a plot, and the data observed from each side of a spiral galaxy are generally asymmetric, so that data from each side are averaged to create the curve. ‘ “generally asymmetric”, unless taken on the axis of precession, when they’re the same
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-27 07:54 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <ee9d2a09-d13d-4b7a-8488-813c0cdf8b48@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #714969 |
The rotation curve of a disc galaxy (also called a velocity curve) is a plot of the orbital speeds of visible stars or gas in that galaxy versus their radial distance from that galaxy's centre. It is typically rendered graphically as a plot, and the data observed from each side of a spiral galaxy are generally asymmetric, so that data from each side are averaged to create the curve. ‘ “generally asymmetric”, unless taken on the axis of precession, when they’re the same . I will add- if taken perpendicular to the warps, they will be the same
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2018-11-27 16:11 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ptjqbh$5m3$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #714976 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >I will add- if taken perpendicular to the warps, they will be the same What warps? Oh, just another Little Pharma hallucination, never mind.
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2018-11-27 16:08 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ptjq5v$f49$2@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #714969 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >"generally asymmetric", unless taken on the axis of precession, when >they're the same Which exists only in your Little Pharma-addled mind, so they're "generally asymmetric" period. But remember that each star has its own orbit with its own period, so the speeds are averages, and of course that also makes precession impossible. The average speeds are just slightly different on different sides.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-27 21:28 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <72630627-46c1-4df1-be74-ddd3a22855cc@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #714977 |
MM “The average speeds are just slightly different on different sides. ” When do they do the averaging?
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-28 03:47 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <4bf25d3c-75b5-49c2-b847-4f8d020e19d3@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #715040 |
MM “The average speeds are just slightly different on different sides. ” Just slightly? Oh that’s okay then? I used to think you had a brain, Michael
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