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| Started by | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2018-11-10 14:48 -0800 |
| Last post | 2018-11-14 01:31 +0000 |
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The N orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-10 14:48 -0800
Re: The N orbital Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2018-11-10 15:58 -0800
Re: The N orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-11 02:34 -0800
Re: The N orbital moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-11 17:39 +0000
Re: The N orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-11 09:51 -0800
Re: The N orbital Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-11 20:51 +0000
Re: The N orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 04:27 -0800
Re: The N orbital Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 12:52 +0000
Re: The N orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 05:21 -0800
Re: The N orbital Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 17:25 +0000
Re: The N orbital moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-12 18:03 +0000
Re: The N orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 22:40 -0800
Re: The N orbital moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-13 07:02 +0000
Re: The N orbital Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 12:35 +0000
Re: The N orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 04:39 -0800
Re: The N orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 05:09 -0800
Re: The N orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 05:40 -0800
Re: The N orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 05:47 -0800
Re: The N orbital Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 13:48 +0000
Re: The N orbital moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-13 14:59 +0000
Re: The N orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 07:02 -0800
Re: The N orbital Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 16:36 +0000
Re: The N orbital moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-13 18:20 +0000
Re: The N orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 13:56 -0800
Re: The N orbital Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 01:31 +0000
Re: The N orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 20:26 -0800
Re: The N orbital moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-14 06:55 +0000
Re: The N orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 03:56 -0800
Re: The N orbital Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 13:30 +0000
Re: The N orbital moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-14 16:21 +0000
Re: The N orbital Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 13:30 +0000
Re: The N orbital benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 11:58 -0500
Re: The N orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 12:45 -0800
Re: The N orbital benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 16:51 -0500
Re: The N orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 14:50 -0800
Re: The N orbital Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 00:00 +0000
Re: The N orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 17:02 -0800
Re: The N orbital moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-14 06:12 +0000
Re: The N orbital "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 17:21 -0800
Re: The N orbital moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-13 15:14 +0000
Re: The N orbital Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 13:48 +0000
Re: The N orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 06:35 -0800
Re: The N orbital Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 16:29 +0000
Re: The N orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 09:20 -0800
Re: The N orbital Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 01:31 +0000
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-10 14:48 -0800 |
| Subject | The N orbital |
| Message-ID | <b77f445a-b22d-430b-b483-9a2e75a8a93d@googlegroups.com> |
I have decided to name this the N orbital https://www.facebook.com/478430759170202/posts/765343273812281/ 38 second video- instead of hours and hours creating GIFs
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| From | Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-10 15:58 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <1363bc90-6b93-4117-bc91-cf805f941bd8@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #712338 |
On Saturday, November 10, 2018 at 2:48:40 PM UTC-8, john wrote: > I have decided to name this the N orbital > https://www.facebook.com/478430759170202/posts/765343273812281/ > 38 second video- instead of hours and hours creating GIFs https://chem.libretexts.org/Textbook_Maps/Organic_Chemistry/Map%3A_Organic_Chemistry_(McMurry)/Chapter_01%3A_Structure_and_Bonding/1.02%3A_Atomic_Structure%3A_Orbitals Double-A
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-11 02:34 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <ce4bd814-f821-4aa6-a314-b68d8ac6c6b6@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #712348 |
Double-A “Yes I know I should call it an orbit. It’s Bohrs circular orbit precessing in the first orthogonal twice the frequency and precessing in the second orthogonal at four times the frequency.
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2018-11-11 17:39 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ps9ph0$1ig$2@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #712387 |
Better that you just call it "wrong". Or just call it "'Little Pharma' had some REALLY good shit this week!". STILL no explanation about your claims NOT being spherically symmetric, or explaining why that electron accelerating in all kinds of different directions is NOT radiating away its energy in easily detectable electromagnetic radiation? FAIL.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-11 09:51 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <514c95ba-d063-460a-9078-5f9f6d4d2aee@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #712429 |
MM “FAIL” Let’s see your pictures. Oh right Probability shapes generated by math- NOTHING to do with Physics
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-11 20:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <psa4nj$1lhi$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #712431 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > MM > “FAIL” > Let’s see your pictures. > Oh right > Probability shapes generated by math- NOTHING to do with Physics Everything to do with physics. The math expresses the physical laws that govern the system. You do know that Newton’s laws of motion are mathematically expressed, don’t you? > -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-12 04:27 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <15ad525e-311d-493d-9a2f-66829e280953@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #712455 |
Odd “Everything to do with physics. The math expresses the physical laws that govern the system. ” Your imagination is wonderful
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-12 12:52 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <psbt3b$ga6$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #712523 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > Odd > “Everything to do with physics. The math expresses the physical laws that > govern the system. ” > Your imagination is wonderful > Pretty standard stuff John. I get that it’s all Greek to you. And do you call it s fantasy because its inaccessible to you and that’s a crime. -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-12 05:21 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <fea4082d-6642-437c-ac81-d5f6a222bd39@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #712525 |
Odd “Pretty standard stuff John. I get” But, Odd! If electrons don’t move, how do they make those great shapes?
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-12 17:25 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pscd1i$1fsm$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #712529 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > Odd > “Pretty standard stuff John. > > I get” > > But, Odd! If electrons don’t move, how do they make those great shapes? > They ARE those shapes in the atom. When they leave the atom, or when they are interacting with an incident scattering particle, they take different shape. These are not little solid balls. -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2018-11-12 18:03 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pscfa8$rpk$9@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #712455 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: >Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> writes: >>john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: >>> MM >> “FAIL” >>> Let’s see your pictures. >>> Oh right >>> Probability shapes generated by math- NOTHING to do with Physics >>Everything to do with physics. The math expresses the physical laws that >>govern the system. >>You do know that Newton’s laws of motion are mathematically expressed, >>don’t you? >Your imagination is wonderful Odd is right, John. Physics is all about the math, physics is largely which math formulas apply where. That is NOT Odd's imagination, that is physics! Even the flight of a baseball is determined by the math behind its physics, a parabola. You should embrace the math, since the math can generate all the pretty pictures you love. Since you love fractals, do you ever play with the Mandelbrot or Julia sets? They produce loads of pretty pictures for you, but guess what? They are ALL MATH!
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-12 22:40 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <1dacd480-9303-4c02-be16-a29f88a57ccc@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #712555 |
MM “Even the flight of a baseball is determined by the math behind its physics, a parabola.” Yes, math can broadly describe many physical phenomena. No, events are not ‘controlled by the math’. I don’t know where you and Odd got that idea. That baseball will still fly the same if you can’t count to three strikes. You guys are so REVERSED.
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2018-11-13 07:02 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <psdsur$ep8$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #712620 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >MM >"Even the flight of a baseball is determined by the math behind >its physics, a parabola." >Yes, math can broadly describe many physical phenomena. Not "broadly", John. EXACTLY. The caveat being that we may or may not know ALL of the math/physics necessary, or may choose to do LESS as an approximation. (So don't reply by whining that the air resistance causes the baseball from not following an exact parabola) >That baseball will still fly the same if you can't count to three strikes. Yes the math an physics don't care if you don't know the math and physics or if you don't believe in it. >You guys are so REVERSED. WE'RE reversed? You are the one coming in here with animated gifs of retarded precessing spinny things and declaring that this is how benzene/electron orbitals/etc. work, without proof or explanation! THAT is back assward, not those who follow the math/physics! Aside: I see that you don't seem to mind how mathematical functions determine the exact path of the little balls in your gifs of your retarded precessing spinny things. OCD is funny, I guess. It allows for this double standard of yours to exist in your mind.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-13 12:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <psegdt$tu2$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #712620 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > MM > “Even the flight of a baseball is determined by the math behind > its physics, a parabola.” > Yes, math can broadly describe many physical phenomena. > No, events are not ‘controlled by the math’. I never said that they were. They are controlled by physical laws. Period. Physical laws can be expressed mathematics. This doesn’t make the math control the events. The physical laws, expressed mathematically, control the events. You just can’t understand a lick of math and so you vilify it, which is as silly as vilifying Greek. > I don’t know where you and Odd got that idea. > That baseball will still fly the same if you can’t count to three strikes. > > You guys are so REVERSED. > -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-13 04:39 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <2c16a177-536a-4f75-b811-846fdd13fb53@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #712639 |
Odd “They are controlled by physical laws. Period. Physical laws can be expressed mathematics. This doesn’t make the ” Which laws govern your ‘atom in a box’?
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-13 05:09 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <c23babc3-1f28-4d62-adfa-8b07cff2ea7f@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #712640 |
The 1:2 orbit is a standing wave of synchronized rotations in two orthogonal planes. As we know from gyroscopes, a spinning object resists being being moved out of the plane of the spin. So an orbit like this will resist being moved out of either plane, and all forces on it will act to move it only along the intersection of the two planes. So individual atoms will only be affected by gravity along this intersection.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-13 05:40 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <eb4ce2eb-3163-4c3a-ba6a-87adbd87ed68@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #712641 |
It gets easier and easier- like a jigsaw puzzle with fewer and fewer spots to fill
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-13 05:47 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <b5f266dc-7646-4f3e-9e40-bb19ba47ef07@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #712641 |
So- when Hydrogen and Helium are using the S and N orbits- rotation around the third axis should mean that they aren’t affected by gravity AT ALL! Any evidence for this? https://www.google.ca/amp/s/phys.org/news/2014-11-black-hole-appetite-gassy-cloud.amp
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-13 13:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pseknd$15g1$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #712641 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > The 1:2 orbit is a standing wave of synchronized rotations in two orthogonal planes. > As we know from gyroscopes, a spinning object resists being being moved > out of the plane of the spin. So an orbit like this will resist being > moved out of either plane, and all forces on it will act to move it only > along the intersection of the two planes. > So individual atoms will only be affected by gravity along this intersection. > You waited exactly 30 mins between asking a legitimate question about laws of physics in an atom, and then losing grip on your attentions span and making up some off-target drivel. -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2018-11-13 14:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pseorn$bl0$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #712646 |
Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> writes: >john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: >> The 1:2 orbit is a standing wave of synchronized rotations in two orthogonal planes. >> As we know from gyroscopes, a spinning object resists being being moved >> out of the plane of the spin. So an orbit like this will resist being >> moved out of either plane, and all forces on it will act to move it only >> along the intersection of the two planes. >> So individual atoms will only be affected by gravity along this intersection. >> >You waited exactly 30 mins between asking a legitimate question about laws >of physics in an atom, and then losing grip on your attentions span and >making up some off-target drivel. His OCD demands attention. It's like there is a separate person in his head yelling "Retarded precessing spinny things! Pay attention to me!! You haven't posted about retarded precessing spinny things for several hours now! Pay attention to me and post about retarded precessing spinny things!!!!" Now that he has, maybe the OCD will leave him alone for a little while. Not that he'll ever pay attention (or even understand) your answer to his question.
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