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  The N orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-10 14:48 -0800
    Re: The N orbital Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2018-11-10 15:58 -0800
      Re: The N orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-11 02:34 -0800
        Re: The N orbital moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-11 17:39 +0000
          Re: The N orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-11 09:51 -0800
            Re: The N orbital Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-11 20:51 +0000
              Re: The N orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 04:27 -0800
                Re: The N orbital Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 12:52 +0000
                  Re: The N orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 05:21 -0800
                    Re: The N orbital Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 17:25 +0000
              Re: The N orbital moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-12 18:03 +0000
                Re: The N orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 22:40 -0800
                  Re: The N orbital moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-13 07:02 +0000
                  Re: The N orbital Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 12:35 +0000
                    Re: The N orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 04:39 -0800
                      Re: The N orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 05:09 -0800
                        Re: The N orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 05:40 -0800
                        Re: The N orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 05:47 -0800
                        Re: The N orbital Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 13:48 +0000
                          Re: The N orbital moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-13 14:59 +0000
                            Re: The N orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 07:02 -0800
                              Re: The N orbital Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 16:36 +0000
                              Re: The N orbital moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-13 18:20 +0000
                                Re: The N orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 13:56 -0800
                                  Re: The N orbital Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 01:31 +0000
                                    Re: The N orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 20:26 -0800
                                      Re: The N orbital moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-14 06:55 +0000
                                        Re: The N orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 03:56 -0800
                                          Re: The N orbital Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 13:30 +0000
                                          Re: The N orbital moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-14 16:21 +0000
                                      Re: The N orbital Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 13:30 +0000
                                    Re: The N orbital benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 11:58 -0500
                                      Re: The N orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 12:45 -0800
                                        Re: The N orbital benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 16:51 -0500
                                          Re: The N orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 14:50 -0800
                                          Re: The N orbital Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 00:00 +0000
                                            Re: The N orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 17:02 -0800
                                  Re: The N orbital moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-14 06:12 +0000
                                  Re: The N orbital "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 17:21 -0800
                        Re: The N orbital moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-13 15:14 +0000
                      Re: The N orbital Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 13:48 +0000
                        Re: The N orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 06:35 -0800
                          Re: The N orbital Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 16:29 +0000
                            Re: The N orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 09:20 -0800
                              Re: The N orbital Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 01:31 +0000

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#712338 — The N orbital

I have decided to name this the N orbital
https://www.facebook.com/478430759170202/posts/765343273812281/
38 second video- instead of hours and hours creating GIFs

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#712348

On Saturday, November 10, 2018 at 2:48:40 PM UTC-8, john wrote:
> I have decided to name this the N orbital
> https://www.facebook.com/478430759170202/posts/765343273812281/
> 38 second video- instead of hours and hours creating GIFs


https://chem.libretexts.org/Textbook_Maps/Organic_Chemistry/Map%3A_Organic_Chemistry_(McMurry)/Chapter_01%3A_Structure_and_Bonding/1.02%3A_Atomic_Structure%3A_Orbitals

Double-A

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#712387

Double-A 
“Yes I know I should call it an orbit.
It’s Bohrs circular orbit precessing in the first orthogonal twice the frequency and precessing in the second orthogonal at four times the frequency.

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#712429

Better that you just call it "wrong".

Or just call it "'Little Pharma' had some REALLY good shit this week!".

STILL no explanation about your claims NOT being spherically symmetric, or
explaining why that electron accelerating in all kinds of different
directions is NOT radiating away its energy in easily detectable
electromagnetic radiation?

FAIL.

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#712431

MM
“FAIL”
Let’s see your pictures.
Oh right
Probability shapes generated by math- NOTHING to do with Physics

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#712455

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> MM
> “FAIL”
> Let’s see your pictures.
> Oh right
> Probability shapes generated by math- NOTHING to do with Physics

Everything to do with physics. The math expresses the physical laws that
govern the system. 

You do know that Newton’s laws of motion are mathematically expressed,
don’t you?

> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#712523

Odd
“Everything to do with physics. The math expresses the physical laws that 
govern the system. ”
Your imagination is wonderful

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#712525

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> “Everything to do with physics. The math expresses the physical laws that 
> govern the system. ”
> Your imagination is wonderful
> 

Pretty standard stuff John. 

I get that it’s all Greek to you. And do you call it s fantasy because its
inaccessible to you and that’s a crime. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#712529

Odd
“Pretty standard stuff John. 

I get”

But, Odd! If electrons don’t move, how do they make those great shapes?

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#712548

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> “Pretty standard stuff John. 
> 
> I get”
> 
> But, Odd! If electrons don’t move, how do they make those great shapes?
> 

They ARE those shapes in the atom. When they leave the atom, or when they
are interacting with an incident scattering particle, they take different
shape. 

These are not little solid balls. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#712555

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:

>Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> writes:

>>john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> MM
>> “FAIL”
>>> Let’s see your pictures.
>>> Oh right
>>> Probability shapes generated by math- NOTHING to do with Physics

>>Everything to do with physics. The math expresses the physical laws that
>>govern the system. 

>>You do know that Newton’s laws of motion are mathematically expressed,
>>don’t you?

>Your imagination is wonderful

Odd is right, John. Physics is all about the math, physics is largely
which math formulas apply where.  That is NOT Odd's imagination, that is
physics! Even the flight of a baseball is determined by the math behind
its physics, a parabola.

You should embrace the math, since the math can generate all the pretty
pictures you love.

Since you love fractals, do you ever play with the Mandelbrot or Julia
sets? They produce loads of pretty pictures for you, but guess what?
They are ALL MATH!

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#712620

MM
“Even the flight of a baseball is determined by the math behind 
its physics, a parabola.”
Yes, math can broadly describe many physical phenomena.
No, events are not ‘controlled by the math’.
I don’t know where you and Odd got that idea.
That baseball will still fly the same if you can’t count to three strikes.

You guys are so REVERSED.

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#712622

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>MM
>"Even the flight of a baseball is determined by the math behind
>its physics, a parabola."
>Yes, math can broadly describe many physical phenomena.

Not "broadly", John. EXACTLY. The caveat being that we may or may not know
ALL of the math/physics necessary, or may choose to do LESS as an 
approximation. (So don't reply by whining that the air resistance
causes the baseball from not following an exact parabola)

>That baseball will still fly the same if you can't count to three strikes.

Yes the math an physics don't care if you don't know the math and physics
or if you don't believe in it.

>You guys are so REVERSED.

WE'RE reversed? You are the one coming in here with animated gifs of
retarded precessing spinny things and declaring that this is how
benzene/electron orbitals/etc. work, without proof or explanation!
THAT is back assward, not those who follow the math/physics!

Aside: I see that you don't seem to mind how mathematical functions 
determine the exact path of the little balls in your gifs of your
retarded precessing spinny things. OCD is funny, I guess. It allows
for this double standard of yours to exist in your mind.

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#712639

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> MM
> “Even the flight of a baseball is determined by the math behind 
> its physics, a parabola.”
> Yes, math can broadly describe many physical phenomena.
> No, events are not ‘controlled by the math’.

I never said that they were. 
They are controlled by physical laws. Period. 
Physical laws can be expressed mathematics. 
This doesn’t make the math control the events. 
The physical laws, expressed mathematically, control the events. 

You just can’t understand a lick of math and so you vilify it, which is as
silly as vilifying Greek. 

> I don’t know where you and Odd got that idea.
> That baseball will still fly the same if you can’t count to three strikes.
> 
> You guys are so REVERSED.
> 


-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#712640

Odd
“They are controlled by physical laws. Period. 
Physical laws can be expressed mathematics. 
This doesn’t make the ”
Which laws govern your ‘atom in a box’?

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#712641

The 1:2 orbit is a standing wave of synchronized rotations in two orthogonal planes.
As we know from gyroscopes, a spinning object resists being being moved out of the plane of the spin. So an orbit like this will resist being moved out of either plane, and all forces on it will act to move it only along the intersection of the two planes.
So individual atoms will only be affected by gravity along this intersection.

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#712643

It gets easier and easier- like a jigsaw puzzle with fewer and fewer spots to fill

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#712644

So- when Hydrogen and Helium are using the S and N orbits- rotation around the third axis should mean that they aren’t affected by gravity AT ALL!
Any evidence for this?

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/phys.org/news/2014-11-black-hole-appetite-gassy-cloud.amp

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#712646

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> The 1:2 orbit is a standing wave of synchronized rotations in two orthogonal planes.
> As we know from gyroscopes, a spinning object resists being being moved
> out of the plane of the spin. So an orbit like this will resist being
> moved out of either plane, and all forces on it will act to move it only
> along the intersection of the two planes.
> So individual atoms will only be affected by gravity along this intersection.
> 

You waited exactly 30 mins between asking a legitimate question about laws
of physics in an atom, and then losing grip on your attentions span and
making up some off-target drivel. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#712650

Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> writes:

>john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
>> The 1:2 orbit is a standing wave of synchronized rotations in two orthogonal planes.
>> As we know from gyroscopes, a spinning object resists being being moved
>> out of the plane of the spin. So an orbit like this will resist being
>> moved out of either plane, and all forces on it will act to move it only
>> along the intersection of the two planes.
>> So individual atoms will only be affected by gravity along this intersection.
>> 

>You waited exactly 30 mins between asking a legitimate question about laws
>of physics in an atom, and then losing grip on your attentions span and
>making up some off-target drivel. 

His OCD demands attention. It's like there is a separate person in his
head yelling "Retarded precessing spinny things! Pay attention to me!!
You haven't posted about retarded precessing spinny things for several
hours now! Pay attention to me and post about retarded precessing spinny 
things!!!!"

Now that he has, maybe the OCD will leave him alone for a little while.
Not that he'll ever pay attention (or even understand) your answer to
his question.

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