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| Started by | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2018-10-29 05:50 -0700 |
| Last post | 2018-10-30 12:42 -0700 |
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Curved space and fields john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-29 05:50 -0700
Re: Curved space and fields Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-29 14:34 +0000
Re: Curved space and fields moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-29 14:43 +0000
Re: Curved space and fields yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-10-29 09:07 -0700
Re: Curved space and fields pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-10-29 09:59 -0700
Re: Curved space and fields "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-10-29 10:04 -0700
Re: Curved space and fields Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-29 17:32 +0000
Re: Curved space and fields pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-10-29 23:32 -0700
Re: Curved space and fields Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-10-29 12:34 -0500
Re: Curved space and fields yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-10-29 23:03 -0700
Re: Curved space and fields Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-30 12:12 +0000
Re: Curved space and fields yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-10-31 17:44 -0700
Re: Curved space and fields Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-01 14:36 +0000
Re: Curved space and fields yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-01 08:21 -0700
Re: Curved space and fields Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-01 16:11 +0000
Re: Curved space and fields yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-01 10:44 -0700
Re: Curved space and fields yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-01 11:52 -0700
Re: Curved space and fields Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-01 19:59 +0000
Re: Curved space and fields Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-01 20:03 +0000
Re: Curved space and fields yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-01 18:42 -0700
Re: Curved space and fields Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-02 11:34 +0000
Re: Curved space and fields yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-02 04:57 -0700
Re: Curved space and fields Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-02 12:10 +0000
Re: Curved space and fields Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-10-30 06:35 -0700
Re: Curved space and fields mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-10-29 11:16 -0700
Re: Curved space and fields Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-10-29 14:12 -0500
Re: Curved space and fields "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-10-30 08:19 -0700
Re: Curved space and fields Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-10-30 11:00 -0500
Re: Curved space and fields mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-10-30 14:02 -0700
Re: Curved space and fields Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-10-29 12:26 -0700
Re: Curved space and fields Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-10-29 23:45 -0400
Re: Curved space and fields Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-10-30 06:29 -0700
Re: Curved space and fields Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-10-30 11:10 -0500
Re: Curved space and fields "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-10-30 11:35 -0700
Re: Curved space and fields Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-10-30 12:42 -0700
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-10-29 05:50 -0700 |
| Subject | Curved space and fields |
| Message-ID | <1b534d49-7f84-4ac2-9f9d-ba3cadc0112e@googlegroups.com> |
Fodder for much interstellar humor
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-10-29 14:34 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pr75pu$1b1b$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #710187 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > Fodder for much interstellar humor > And you’ve heard interstellar beings laugh? -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2018-10-29 14:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pr76ba$sre$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #710198 |
Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> writes: >john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: >> Fodder for much interstellar humor >> >And you’ve heard interstellar beings laugh? Maybe he thinks the voices in his head are interstellar beings?
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| From | yporat08@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2018-10-29 09:07 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <2e67619d-b63a-43f5-ba49-434a058a7064@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #710199 |
On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 4:43:57 PM UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote: > Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> writes: > > >john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Fodder for much interstellar humor > >> > > >And you’ve heard interstellar beings laugh? > > Maybe he thinks the voices in his head are interstellar beings? ========================== space has no curvature and no schmervature !! ======= Y.P ========================
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| From | pnalsing@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2018-10-29 09:59 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <e966eee9-09c7-4d0a-a0fe-978bdce29183@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #710198 |
Well, loosely speaking, aren't we all interstellar beings?
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| From | "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-10-29 10:04 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <3860f271-3723-4069-9af4-508eaf4241d2@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #710224 |
On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 9:59:53 AM UTC-7, pnal...@gmail.com wrote: > Well, loosely speaking, aren't we all interstellar beings? Einstein went with curve space,so who are we to disagree Bert
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-10-29 17:32 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pr7g7n$1uvo$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #710224 |
<pnalsing@gmail.com> wrote: > Well, loosely speaking, aren't we all interstellar beings? > Between stars? -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | pnalsing@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2018-10-29 23:32 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <d37527fe-2a5f-4c92-a922-a6fbd9f1b82d@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #710231 |
Sure, between stars. We are surrounded by stars on all sides... even if one happens to be a lot closer than the others...
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| From | Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2018-10-29 12:34 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <pr7gbs$1v5p$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #710224 |
On 10/29/2018 11:59 AM, pnalsing@gmail.com wrote:
> Well, loosely speaking, aren't we all interstellar beings?
>
yep, we is interstellar beings too. .
Interstellar : located, taking place, or traveling among the stars
depends upon what "among" means..
we would have to be, the only other option is to live in in a star ?
but that is still interstellar...
does "among" indirectly mean "not on earth" ?
[Starfarter, what do you tink?]
Definition of among
1 : in or through the midst of : surrounded by hidden among the trees
2 : in company or association with living among artists
3 : by or through the aggregate of discontent among the poor
4 : in the number or class of wittiest among poets among other things
she was president of her college class
5 : in shares to each of divided among the heirs
6a : through the reciprocal acts of quarreling among themselves
b : through the joint action of made a fortune among themselves
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| From | yporat08@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2018-10-29 23:03 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <46635d16-578d-490c-b096-5fb23ee2e4f9@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #710224 |
On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 6:59:53 PM UTC+2, pnal...@gmail.com wrote: > Well, loosely speaking, aren't we all interstellar beings? ================================= If so why NASA does not use curved space '' in its interstellar calculations ??!!! == TIA Y.P ==============================================
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-10-30 12:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pr9hrq$147j$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #710304 |
<yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 6:59:53 PM UTC+2, pnal...@gmail.com wrote: >> Well, loosely speaking, aren't we all interstellar beings? > > ================================= > > If so > why NASA does not use > curved space '' > in its interstellar calculations ??!!! > == > TIA > Y.P > ============================================== > > > Because the approximation is good enough. -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | yporat08@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2018-10-31 17:44 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <9067ba0c-9a8b-4d0f-aae7-a5f6f25251dd@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #710317 |
On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 2:12:46 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 6:59:53 PM UTC+2, pnal...@gmail.com wrote: > >> Well, loosely speaking, aren't we all interstellar beings? > > > > ================================= > > > > If so > > why NASA does not use > > curved space '' > > in its interstellar calculations ??!!! > > == > > TIA > > Y.P > > ============================================== > > > > > > > > Because the approximation is good enough. > > -- > Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables ================================= (:-) ok !! IF SO please show us WAHT IS THE REAL CALCULATION AND WHAT IS THE APROXIMATION ….CALCULATION I THNK YOU KNOW just mumbling is not good enough ..in science (after all I think you are a physics teacher )
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-01 14:36 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <prf31f$8l0$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #710630 |
<yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 2:12:46 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 6:59:53 PM UTC+2, pnal...@gmail.com wrote: >>>> Well, loosely speaking, aren't we all interstellar beings? >>> >>> ================================> > >>> If so >>> why NASA does not use >>> curved space '' >>> in its interstellar calculations ??!!! >>> => > TIA >>> Y.P >>> =============================================> > >>> >>> >> >> Because the approximation is good enough. >> >> -- >> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables > ================================(:-) > ok !! > IF SO please show us > > WAHT IS THE REAL CALCULATION > AND WHAT IS THE APROXIMATION &.CALCULATION Calculation of what, exactly. You seem to think that there is one GR calculation and one Newtonian calculation for every NASA trajectory they investigate. Really??? > > > I THNK YOU KNOW just mumbling is not good enough ..in science > (after all I think you are a physics teacher ) > I’m not a physics teacher, and coming here to beg to be taught physics is silly. This isn’t the place to learn physics. Concentrated study is. You didn’t become an engineer by asking to be taught engineering in a newsgroup, did you? -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | yporat08@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2018-11-01 08:21 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1b5a085d-b26d-4b19-9c52-7e9644152e35@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #710736 |
On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 4:36:35 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 2:12:46 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 6:59:53 PM UTC+2, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> Well, loosely speaking, aren't we all interstellar beings?
> >>>
> >>> ================================> >
> >>> If so
> >>> why NASA does not use
> >>> curved space ''
> >>> in its interstellar calculations ??!!!
> >>> => > TIA
> >>> Y.P
> >>> =============================================> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> Because the approximation is good enough.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> > ================================(:-)
> > ok !!
> > IF SO please show us
> >
> > WAHT IS THE REAL CALCULATION
> > AND WHAT IS THE APROXIMATION &.CALCULATION
>
> Calculation of what, exactly. You seem to think that there is one GR
> calculation and one Newtonian calculation for every NASA trajectory they
> investigate. Really???
>
> >
> >
> > I THNK YOU KNOW just mumbling is not good enough ..in science
> > (after all I think you are a physics teacher )
> >
>
> I’m not a physics teacher, and coming here to beg to be taught physics is
> silly. This isn’t the place to learn physics. Concentrated study is.
>
> You didn’t become an engineer by asking to be taught engineering in a
> newsgroup, did you?
>
>
> --
> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
========================
common!!
if you say that the proximation is good enough
means that***** you*** know what about what you are talking talking !!!
and you know what is the approximation
and you know what is the exactly
what is right and what is not right
or else you are mumbling irresponsibly about things that
you don't know ???!!!!!
or may be an imposter ??!
we are not here in children's games
or else yo are just a parrot !!
in shot
if you know**
say I know exactly about what i am talking
and if you dint know
say
honestly
I have no idea what is done there
and have no idea
why ]
curved space is neglected there
and even worse
you exactly don't know wat is going on there
if so
be honest and say
I don't know what are their considerations there
and what is that they know\or not
all along the way from earth
to Mars !!
or may be they think that
curved space'' is not relevant for them and why ??
or not relevant to**any* actual possible project
of NASSA
or may be YOU tell us
in which project it might be RELEVANT
and if you don't know
say
I DONT KNOW !!!!!
or may be
iow
nonsense physics with zero use to anything !!??
TIA
Y.P
=======================
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-01 16:11 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <prf8jo$hss$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #710767 |
<yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 4:36:35 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 2:12:46 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 6:59:53 PM UTC+2, pnal...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>> Well, loosely speaking, aren't we all interstellar beings? >>>>> >>>>> ================================> > >>>>> If so >>>>> why NASA does not use >>>>> curved space '' >>>>> in its interstellar calculations ??!!! >>>>> => > TIA >>>>> Y.P >>>>> =============================================> > >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> Because the approximation is good enough. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables >>> ================================(:-) >>> ok !! >>> IF SO please show us >>> >>> WAHT IS THE REAL CALCULATION >>> AND WHAT IS THE APROXIMATION &.CALCULATION >> >> Calculation of what, exactly. You seem to think that there is one GR >> calculation and one Newtonian calculation for every NASA trajectory they >> investigate. Really??? >> >>> >>> >>> I THNK YOU KNOW just mumbling is not good enough ..in science >>> (after all I think you are a physics teacher ) >>> >> >> Im not a physics teacher, and coming here to beg to be taught physics is >> silly. This isnt the place to learn physics. Concentrated study is. >> >> You didnt become an engineer by asking to be taught engineering in a >> newsgroup, did you? >> >> >> -- >> Odd Bodkin Maker of fine toys, tools, tables > =======================common!! > if you say that the proximation is good enough > means that***** you*** know what about what you are talking talking !!! > and you know what is the approximation > and you know what is the exactly > > what is right and what is not right Yes. And the differences between the two models depend on the application! Of course!! And you come here and rant day after day about GR when you don’t have the foggiest idea how to do one calculation with it! For that matter, I’m pretty sure you couldn’t calculate a Newtonian orbit either. > or else you are mumbling irresponsibly about things that > you don't know ???!!!!! > or may be an imposter ??! > we are not here in children's games > > or else yo are just a parrot !! > in shot > if you know** > say I know exactly about what i am talking > and if you dint know > say > honestly > I have no idea what is done there > and have no idea > why ] > curved space is neglected there > and even worse > you exactly don't know wat is going on there > if so > be honest and say > I don't know what are their considerations there > and what is that they know\or not > all along the way from earth > to Mars !! > or may be they think that > curved space'' is not relevant for them and why ?? > or not relevant to**any* actual possible project > > of NASSA > or may be YOU tell us > in which project it might be RELEVANT > and if you don't know > > say > I DONT KNOW !!!!! > or may be > iow > nonsense physics with zero use to anything !!?? > TIA > Y.P > ====================== > > -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | yporat08@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2018-11-01 10:44 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <7f8732e3-0c9b-4b39-913d-1b221d2f4617@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #710774 |
On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 6:11:43 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 4:36:35 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 2:12:46 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>> On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 6:59:53 PM UTC+2, pnal...@gmail.com wrote: > >>>>>> Well, loosely speaking, aren't we all interstellar beings? > >>>>> > >>>>> ================================> > > >>>>> If so > >>>>> why NASA does not use > >>>>> curved space '' > >>>>> in its interstellar calculations ??!!! > >>>>> => > TIA > >>>>> Y.P > >>>>> =============================================> > > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> Because the approximation is good enough. > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables > >>> ================================(:-) > >>> ok !! > >>> IF SO please show us > >>> > >>> WAHT IS THE REAL CALCULATION > >>> AND WHAT IS THE APROXIMATION &.CALCULATION > >> > >> Calculation of what, exactly. You seem to think that there is one GR > >> calculation and one Newtonian calculation for every NASA trajectory they > >> investigate. Really??? > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> I THNK YOU KNOW just mumbling is not good enough ..in science > >>> (after all I think you are a physics teacher ) > >>> > >> > >> I m not a physics teacher, and coming here to beg to be taught physics is > >> silly. This isn t the place to learn physics. Concentrated study is. > >> > >> You didn t become an engineer by asking to be taught engineering in a > >> newsgroup, did you? > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Odd Bodkin Maker of fine toys, tools, tables > > =======================common!! > > if you say that the proximation is good enough > > means that***** you*** know what about what you are talking talking !!! > > and you know what is the approximation > > and you know what is the exactly > > > > what is right and what is not right > > > Yes. And the differences between the two models depend on the application! > Of course!! > > And you come here and rant day after day about GR when you don’t have the > foggiest idea how to do one calculation with it! For that matter, I’m > pretty sure you couldn’t calculate a Newtonian orbit either. =================== AND YOU CAN CALCULLE CURVED SPACE basic PROBOLMS ?? LET US SEE: pleas tell us what is the RADIUS OF CURVETURE ""OF CURVED SPACE** AROND OUR GLOBE ??? (a modest basic request isn't it so !!!!!) is it not a modest request ??for a physicist like you ?? that is pretending to know more than me !! == TIA Y.P ============= > > > or else you are mumbling irresponsibly about things that > > you don't know ???!!!!! > > or may be an imposter ??! > > we are not here in children's games > > > > or else yo are just a parrot !! > > in shot > > if you know** > > say I know exactly about what i am talking > > and if you dint know > > say > > honestly > > I have no idea what is done there > > and have no idea > > why ] > > curved space is neglected there > > and even worse > > you exactly don't know wat is going on there > > if so > > be honest and say > > I don't know what are their considerations there > > and what is that they know\or not > > all along the way from earth > > to Mars !! > > or may be they think that > > curved space'' is not relevant for them and why ?? > > or not relevant to**any* actual possible project > > > > of NASSA > > or may be YOU tell us > > in which project it might be RELEVANT > > and if you don't know > > > > say > > I DONT KNOW !!!!! > > or may be > > iow > > nonsense physics with zero use to anything !!?? > > TIA > > Y.P > > ====================== > > > > > > > > -- > Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | yporat08@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2018-11-01 11:52 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <870e938c-dc74-45f7-9359-504d8f8e1e71@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #710783 |
On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 7:44:07 PM UTC+2, ypor...@gmail.com wrote: > On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 6:11:43 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > > <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 4:36:35 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > > >> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>> On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 2:12:46 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > > >>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>>> On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 6:59:53 PM UTC+2, pnal...@gmail.com wrote: > > >>>>>> Well, loosely speaking, aren't we all interstellar beings? > > >>>>> > > >>>>> ================================> > > > >>>>> If so > > >>>>> why NASA does not use > > >>>>> curved space '' > > >>>>> in its interstellar calculations ??!!! > > >>>>> => > TIA > > >>>>> Y.P > > >>>>> =============================================> > > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Because the approximation is good enough. > > >>>> > > >>>> -- > > >>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables > > >>> ================================(:-) > > >>> ok !! > > >>> IF SO please show us > > >>> > > >>> WAHT IS THE REAL CALCULATION > > >>> AND WHAT IS THE APROXIMATION &.CALCULATION > > >> > > >> Calculation of what, exactly. You seem to think that there is one GR > > >> calculation and one Newtonian calculation for every NASA trajectory they > > >> investigate. Really??? > > >> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> I THNK YOU KNOW just mumbling is not good enough ..in science > > >>> (after all I think you are a physics teacher ) > > >>> > > >> > > >> I m not a physics teacher, and coming here to beg to be taught physics is > > >> silly. This isn t the place to learn physics. Concentrated study is. > > >> > > >> You didn t become an engineer by asking to be taught engineering in a > > >> newsgroup, did you? > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Odd Bodkin Maker of fine toys, tools, tables > > > =======================common!! > > > if you say that the proximation is good enough > > > means that***** you*** know what about what you are talking talking !!! > > > and you know what is the approximation > > > and you know what is the exactly > > > > > > what is right and what is not right > > > > > > Yes. And the differences between the two models depend on the application! > > Of course!! > > > > And you come here and rant day after day about GR when you don’t have the > > foggiest idea how to do one calculation with it! For that matter, I’m > > pretty sure you couldn’t calculate a Newtonian orbit either. > =================== > AND YOU CAN CALCULLE CURVED SPACE basic PROBOLMS > ?? > > LET US SEE: > > pleas tell us what is the RADIUS OF CURVETURE > ""OF CURVED SPACE** > AROND OUR GLOBE ??? > > (a modest basic request isn't it so !!!!!) > > is it not a modest request ??for a physicist like you > ?? > that is pretending to know > more than me !! > > == > TIA > Y.P > ============= > > > > > > > > or else you are mumbling irresponsibly about things that > > > you don't know ???!!!!! > > > or may be an imposter ??! > > > we are not here in children's games > > > > > > or else yo are just a parrot !! > > > in shot > > > if you know** > > > say I know exactly about what i am talking > > > and if you dint know > > > say > > > honestly > > > I have no idea what is done there > > > and have no idea > > > why ] > > > curved space is neglected there > > > and even worse > > > you exactly don't know wat is going on there > > > if so > > > be honest and say > > > I don't know what are their considerations there > > > and what is that they know\or not > > > all along the way from earth > > > to Mars !! > > > or may be they think that > > > curved space'' is not relevant for them and why ?? > > > or not relevant to**any* actual possible project > > > > > > of NASSA > > > or may be YOU tell us > > > in which project it might be RELEVANT > > > and if you don't know > > > > > > say > > > I DONT KNOW !!!!! > > > or may be > > > iow > > > nonsense physics with zero use to anything !!?? > > > TIA > > > Y.P > > > ====================== ======================== no Bodkin as usual is fading away !!! actually not me and even not Bodkin have to know the calculations of s sending a human being to mars it is NASA job not forr us and yet even as a standing aside with some commonsense even by standing by side the known facts are good enough foe us semi intelligent people that are not just parrots to realize that CURVED SPACE'' IS NOT USED A BIT !!! in that Marrs job !!! and not anywhere much worse :: IT IS GOOD FOR NOTHING PRACTIALY!! only for professors getting payed for teaching poor students about ''CURVED SPACE'' ==== TIA Y.Porat =====================
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-01 19:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <prfluj$1900$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #710806 |
<yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 7:44:07 PM UTC+2, ypor...@gmail.com wrote: >> On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 6:11:43 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 4:36:35 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 2:12:46 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 6:59:53 PM UTC+2, pnal...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> Well, loosely speaking, aren't we all interstellar beings? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ================================> > >>>>>>>> If so >>>>>>>> why NASA does not use >>>>>>>> curved space '' >>>>>>>> in its interstellar calculations ??!!! >>>>>>>> => > TIA >>>>>>>> Y.P >>>>>>>> =============================================> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Because the approximation is good enough. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables >>>>>> ================================(:-) >>>>>> ok !! >>>>>> IF SO please show us >>>>>> >>>>>> WAHT IS THE REAL CALCULATION >>>>>> AND WHAT IS THE APROXIMATION &.CALCULATION >>>>> >>>>> Calculation of what, exactly. You seem to think that there is one GR >>>>> calculation and one Newtonian calculation for every NASA trajectory they >>>>> investigate. Really??? >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I THNK YOU KNOW just mumbling is not good enough ..in science >>>>>> (after all I think you are a physics teacher ) >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I m not a physics teacher, and coming here to beg to be taught physics is >>>>> silly. This isn t the place to learn physics. Concentrated study is. >>>>> >>>>> You didn t become an engineer by asking to be taught engineering in a >>>>> newsgroup, did you? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Odd Bodkin Maker of fine toys, tools, tables >>>> =======================common!! >>>> if you say that the proximation is good enough >>>> means that***** you*** know what about what you are talking talking !!! >>>> and you know what is the approximation >>>> and you know what is the exactly >>>> >>>> what is right and what is not right >>> >>> >>> Yes. And the differences between the two models depend on the application! >>> Of course!! >>> >>> And you come here and rant day after day about GR when you dont have the >>> foggiest idea how to do one calculation with it! For that matter, Im >>> pretty sure you couldnt calculate a Newtonian orbit either. >> ==================> AND YOU CAN CALCULLE CURVED SPACE basic PROBOLMS >> ?? >> >> LET US SEE: >> >> pleas tell us what is the RADIUS OF CURVETURE >> ""OF CURVED SPACE** >> AROND OUR GLOBE ??? >> >> (a modest basic request isn't it so !!!!!) >> >> is it not a modest request ??for a physicist like you >> ?? >> that is pretending to know >> more than me !! >> >> => TIA >> Y.P >> ============> >> >> >>> >>>> or else you are mumbling irresponsibly about things that >>>> you don't know ???!!!!! >>>> or may be an imposter ??! >>>> we are not here in children's games >>>> >>>> or else yo are just a parrot !! >>>> in shot >>>> if you know** >>>> say I know exactly about what i am talking >>>> and if you dint know >>>> say >>>> honestly >>>> I have no idea what is done there >>>> and have no idea >>>> why ] >>>> curved space is neglected there >>>> and even worse >>>> you exactly don't know wat is going on there >>>> if so >>>> be honest and say >>>> I don't know what are their considerations there >>>> and what is that they know\or not >>>> all along the way from earth >>>> to Mars !! >>>> or may be they think that >>>> curved space'' is not relevant for them and why ?? >>>> or not relevant to**any* actual possible project >>>> >>>> of NASSA >>>> or may be YOU tell us >>>> in which project it might be RELEVANT >>>> and if you don't know >>>> >>>> say >>>> I DONT KNOW !!!!! >>>> or may be >>>> iow >>>> nonsense physics with zero use to anything !!?? >>>> TIA >>>> Y.P >>>> ============================================no Bodkin as usual > is fading away !!! > actually > not me and even not Bodkin have to know > the calculations of s > sending a human being to mars > it is NASA job > not forr us > and yet > even as a standing aside > > with some commonsense > even by standing by side > the known facts are good enough foe us semi intelligent people > that are not just parrots > to realize that > CURVED SPACE'' IS NOT USED A BIT !!! > > in that Marrs job !!! > and not anywhere > > much worse :: > > IT IS GOOD FOR NOTHING PRACTIALY!! > only for professors getting payed > for teaching poor students > about ''CURVED SPACE'' > ===TIA > Y.Porat > ==================== Is fading away.... lol. You have the patience of a two year old. You don’t get a reply in an hour and you think you’ve chased people away. Some people have a life away from the newsgroup. The radius of curvature of SPACETIME (not space) is about 31 billion feet. You can calculate this just by taking a trajectory of a thrown ball that covers 30 horizontal feet in about a second, rising about 4 feet to the apex of its trajectory. A second of time is a billion nanoseconds or about a billion feet of time, using natural units. For a curved trajectory, the sagitta s and the chord length c are related to the radius of curvature r by a simple geometric relation: c^2 = 8sr. In Newtonian physics, the curvature of space is zero. The curvature of the surface of the earth has absolutely nothing to do with the curvature of space. Now, in case this doesn’t clear things up for you, let me point out that there are plenty people in this newsgroup who do know how to do this simple calculations even if you don’t. If the calculations I’ve just described are still Greek to you, just take that as an indicator of how much remedial info you have to learn before you can talk about GR intelligently. -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-01 20:03 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <prfm6r$19gs$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #710822 |
Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> wrote: > <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 7:44:07 PM UTC+2, ypor...@gmail.com wrote: >>> On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 6:11:43 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 4:36:35 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 2:12:46 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 6:59:53 PM UTC+2, pnal...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Well, loosely speaking, aren't we all interstellar beings? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ================================> > >>>>>>>>> If so >>>>>>>>> why NASA does not use >>>>>>>>> curved space '' >>>>>>>>> in its interstellar calculations ??!!! >>>>>>>>> => > TIA >>>>>>>>> Y.P >>>>>>>>> =============================================> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Because the approximation is good enough. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables >>>>>>> ================================(:-) >>>>>>> ok !! >>>>>>> IF SO please show us >>>>>>> >>>>>>> WAHT IS THE REAL CALCULATION >>>>>>> AND WHAT IS THE APROXIMATION &.CALCULATION >>>>>> >>>>>> Calculation of what, exactly. You seem to think that there is one GR >>>>>> calculation and one Newtonian calculation for every NASA trajectory they >>>>>> investigate. Really??? >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I THNK YOU KNOW just mumbling is not good enough ..in science >>>>>>> (after all I think you are a physics teacher ) >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I m not a physics teacher, and coming here to beg to be taught physics is >>>>>> silly. This isn t the place to learn physics. Concentrated study is. >>>>>> >>>>>> You didn t become an engineer by asking to be taught engineering in a >>>>>> newsgroup, did you? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Odd Bodkin Maker of fine toys, tools, tables >>>>> =======================common!! >>>>> if you say that the proximation is good enough >>>>> means that***** you*** know what about what you are talking talking !!! >>>>> and you know what is the approximation >>>>> and you know what is the exactly >>>>> >>>>> what is right and what is not right >>>> >>>> >>>> Yes. And the differences between the two models depend on the application! >>>> Of course!! >>>> >>>> And you come here and rant day after day about GR when you dont have the >>>> foggiest idea how to do one calculation with it! For that matter, Im >>>> pretty sure you couldnt calculate a Newtonian orbit either. >>> ==================> AND YOU CAN CALCULLE CURVED SPACE basic PROBOLMS >>> ?? >>> >>> LET US SEE: >>> >>> pleas tell us what is the RADIUS OF CURVETURE >>> ""OF CURVED SPACE** >>> AROND OUR GLOBE ??? >>> >>> (a modest basic request isn't it so !!!!!) >>> >>> is it not a modest request ??for a physicist like you >>> ?? >>> that is pretending to know >>> more than me !! >>> >>> => TIA >>> Y.P >>> ============> >>> >>> >>>> >>>>> or else you are mumbling irresponsibly about things that >>>>> you don't know ???!!!!! >>>>> or may be an imposter ??! >>>>> we are not here in children's games >>>>> >>>>> or else yo are just a parrot !! >>>>> in shot >>>>> if you know** >>>>> say I know exactly about what i am talking >>>>> and if you dint know >>>>> say >>>>> honestly >>>>> I have no idea what is done there >>>>> and have no idea >>>>> why ] >>>>> curved space is neglected there >>>>> and even worse >>>>> you exactly don't know wat is going on there >>>>> if so >>>>> be honest and say >>>>> I don't know what are their considerations there >>>>> and what is that they know\or not >>>>> all along the way from earth >>>>> to Mars !! >>>>> or may be they think that >>>>> curved space'' is not relevant for them and why ?? >>>>> or not relevant to**any* actual possible project >>>>> >>>>> of NASSA >>>>> or may be YOU tell us >>>>> in which project it might be RELEVANT >>>>> and if you don't know >>>>> >>>>> say >>>>> I DONT KNOW !!!!! >>>>> or may be >>>>> iow >>>>> nonsense physics with zero use to anything !!?? >>>>> TIA >>>>> Y.P >>>>> ============================================no Bodkin as usual >> is fading away !!! >> actually >> not me and even not Bodkin have to know >> the calculations of s >> sending a human being to mars >> it is NASA job >> not forr us >> and yet >> even as a standing aside >> >> with some commonsense >> even by standing by side >> the known facts are good enough foe us semi intelligent people >> that are not just parrots >> to realize that >> CURVED SPACE'' IS NOT USED A BIT !!! >> >> in that Marrs job !!! >> and not anywhere >> >> much worse :: >> >> IT IS GOOD FOR NOTHING PRACTIALY!! >> only for professors getting payed >> for teaching poor students >> about ''CURVED SPACE'' >> ===TIA >> Y.Porat >> ==================== > > Is fading away.... > lol. You have the patience of a two year old. You don’t get a reply in an > hour and you think you’ve chased people away. Some people have a life away > from the newsgroup. > > The radius of curvature of SPACETIME (not space) is about 31 billion feet. Missed a word. 31 million billion feet. > > You can calculate this just by taking a trajectory of a thrown ball that > covers 30 horizontal feet in about a second, rising about 4 feet to the > apex of its trajectory. A second of time is a billion nanoseconds or about > a billion feet of time, using natural units. For a curved trajectory, the > sagitta s and the chord length c are related to the radius of curvature r > by a simple geometric relation: c^2 = 8sr. > > In Newtonian physics, the curvature of space is zero. The curvature of the > surface of the earth has absolutely nothing to do with the curvature of > space. > > Now, in case this doesn’t clear things up for you, let me point out that > there are plenty people in this newsgroup who do know how to do this simple > calculations even if you don’t. If the calculations I’ve just described are > still Greek to you, just take that as an indicator of how much remedial > info you have to learn before you can talk about GR intelligently. > -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | yporat08@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2018-11-01 18:42 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <74a650fc-d142-408e-b1d7-921a6550b956@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #710822 |
On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 9:59:20 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 7:44:07 PM UTC+2, ypor...@gmail.com wrote: > >> On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 6:11:43 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 4:36:35 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>> On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 2:12:46 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>> On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 6:59:53 PM UTC+2, pnal...@gmail.com wrote: > >>>>>>>>> Well, loosely speaking, aren't we all interstellar beings? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ================================> > > >>>>>>>> If so > >>>>>>>> why NASA does not use > >>>>>>>> curved space '' > >>>>>>>> in its interstellar calculations ??!!! > >>>>>>>> => > TIA > >>>>>>>> Y.P > >>>>>>>> =============================================> > > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Because the approximation is good enough. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables > >>>>>> ================================(:-) > >>>>>> ok !! > >>>>>> IF SO please show us > >>>>>> > >>>>>> WAHT IS THE REAL CALCULATION > >>>>>> AND WHAT IS THE APROXIMATION &.CALCULATION > >>>>> > >>>>> Calculation of what, exactly. You seem to think that there is one GR > >>>>> calculation and one Newtonian calculation for every NASA trajectory they > >>>>> investigate. Really??? > >>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I THNK YOU KNOW just mumbling is not good enough ..in science > >>>>>> (after all I think you are a physics teacher ) > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> I m not a physics teacher, and coming here to beg to be taught physics is > >>>>> silly. This isn t the place to learn physics. Concentrated study is. > >>>>> > >>>>> You didn t become an engineer by asking to be taught engineering in a > >>>>> newsgroup, did you? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Odd Bodkin Maker of fine toys, tools, tables > >>>> =======================common!! > >>>> if you say that the proximation is good enough > >>>> means that***** you*** know what about what you are talking talking !!! > >>>> and you know what is the approximation > >>>> and you know what is the exactly > >>>> > >>>> what is right and what is not right > >>> > >>> > >>> Yes. And the differences between the two models depend on the application! > >>> Of course!! > >>> > >>> And you come here and rant day after day about GR when you don t have the > >>> foggiest idea how to do one calculation with it! For that matter, I m > >>> pretty sure you couldn t calculate a Newtonian orbit either. > >> ==================> AND YOU CAN CALCULLE CURVED SPACE basic PROBOLMS > >> ?? > >> > >> LET US SEE: > >> > >> pleas tell us what is the RADIUS OF CURVETURE > >> ""OF CURVED SPACE** > >> AROND OUR GLOBE ??? > >> > >> (a modest basic request isn't it so !!!!!) > >> > >> is it not a modest request ??for a physicist like you > >> ?? > >> that is pretending to know > >> more than me !! > >> > >> => TIA > >> Y.P > >> ============> > >> > >> > >>> > >>>> or else you are mumbling irresponsibly about things that > >>>> you don't know ???!!!!! > >>>> or may be an imposter ??! > >>>> we are not here in children's games > >>>> > >>>> or else yo are just a parrot !! > >>>> in shot > >>>> if you know** > >>>> say I know exactly about what i am talking > >>>> and if you dint know > >>>> say > >>>> honestly > >>>> I have no idea what is done there > >>>> and have no idea > >>>> why ] > >>>> curved space is neglected there > >>>> and even worse > >>>> you exactly don't know wat is going on there > >>>> if so > >>>> be honest and say > >>>> I don't know what are their considerations there > >>>> and what is that they know\or not > >>>> all along the way from earth > >>>> to Mars !! > >>>> or may be they think that > >>>> curved space'' is not relevant for them and why ?? > >>>> or not relevant to**any* actual possible project > >>>> > >>>> of NASSA > >>>> or may be YOU tell us > >>>> in which project it might be RELEVANT > >>>> and if you don't know > >>>> > >>>> say > >>>> I DONT KNOW !!!!! > >>>> or may be > >>>> iow > >>>> nonsense physics with zero use to anything !!?? > >>>> TIA > >>>> Y.P > >>>> ============================================no Bodkin as usual > > is fading away !!! > > actually > > not me and even not Bodkin have to know > > the calculations of s > > sending a human being to mars > > it is NASA job > > not forr us > > and yet > > even as a standing aside > > > > with some commonsense > > even by standing by side > > the known facts are good enough foe us semi intelligent people > > that are not just parrots > > to realize that > > CURVED SPACE'' IS NOT USED A BIT !!! > > > > in that Marrs job !!! > > and not anywhere > > > > much worse :: > > > > IT IS GOOD FOR NOTHING PRACTIALY!! > > only for professors getting payed > > for teaching poor students > > about ''CURVED SPACE'' > > ===TIA > > Y.Porat > > ==================== > > Is fading away.... > lol. You have the patience of a two year old. You don’t get a reply in an > hour and you think you’ve chased people away. Some people have a life away > from the newsgroup. > > The radius of curvature of SPACETIME (not space) is about 31 billion feet. > > You can calculate this just by taking a trajectory of a thrown ball that > covers 30 horizontal feet in about a second, rising about 4 feet to the > apex of its trajectory. A second of time is a billion nanoseconds or about > a billion feet of time, using natural units. For a curved trajectory, the > sagitta s and the chord length c are related to the radius of curvature r > by a simple geometric relation: c^2 = 8sr. > > In Newtonian physics, the curvature of space is zero. The curvature of the > surface of the earth has absolutely nothing to do with the curvature of > space. > > Now, in case this doesn’t clear things up for you, let me point out that > there are plenty people in this newsgroup who do know how to do this simple > calculations even if you don’t. If the calculations I’ve just described are > still Greek to you, just take that as an indicator of how much remedial > info you have to learn before you can talk about GR intelligently. > > -- > Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables ====================== We don't need your 'many people' knowing how to use curved space even just onem of them that will do it right is enough !! but the fact is that though all those pompous mumblings of yours and others -no one even NASA does not and did not ever- use it ! and will never use it and no one will proving using it because it is one of the biggest ''flops in the history of science !! not to mansion anyone to use it in practical life !!! (NASSA use and will use the ordinary Newtonian physics not bull shit physics 2 ===================================== MASS** IS THE CREATOR OF ALL FORCES INCULDING GRAVITY !! =============================== no curvature and no schmervature of space !! ================== Y.Porat ==================== ===========
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