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  Curved space and fields john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-29 05:50 -0700
    Re: Curved space and fields Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-29 14:34 +0000
      Re: Curved space and fields moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-29 14:43 +0000
        Re: Curved space and fields yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-10-29 09:07 -0700
      Re: Curved space and fields pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-10-29 09:59 -0700
        Re: Curved space and fields "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-10-29 10:04 -0700
        Re: Curved space and fields Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-29 17:32 +0000
          Re: Curved space and fields pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-10-29 23:32 -0700
        Re: Curved space and fields Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-10-29 12:34 -0500
        Re: Curved space and fields yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-10-29 23:03 -0700
          Re: Curved space and fields Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-30 12:12 +0000
            Re: Curved space and fields yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-10-31 17:44 -0700
              Re: Curved space and fields Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-01 14:36 +0000
                Re: Curved space and fields yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-01 08:21 -0700
                  Re: Curved space and fields Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-01 16:11 +0000
                    Re: Curved space and fields yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-01 10:44 -0700
                      Re: Curved space and fields yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-01 11:52 -0700
                        Re: Curved space and fields Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-01 19:59 +0000
                          Re: Curved space and fields Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-01 20:03 +0000
                          Re: Curved space and fields yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-01 18:42 -0700
                            Re: Curved space and fields Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-02 11:34 +0000
                              Re: Curved space and fields yporat08@gmail.com - 2018-11-02 04:57 -0700
                                Re: Curved space and fields Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-02 12:10 +0000
          Re: Curved space and fields Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-10-30 06:35 -0700
    Re: Curved space and fields mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-10-29 11:16 -0700
      Re: Curved space and fields Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-10-29 14:12 -0500
        Re: Curved space and fields "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-10-30 08:19 -0700
          Re: Curved space and fields Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-10-30 11:00 -0500
        Re: Curved space and fields mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-10-30 14:02 -0700
    Re: Curved space and fields Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-10-29 12:26 -0700
      Re: Curved space and fields Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-10-29 23:45 -0400
        Re: Curved space and fields Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-10-30 06:29 -0700
          Re: Curved space and fields Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-10-30 11:10 -0500
            Re: Curved space and fields "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-10-30 11:35 -0700
            Re: Curved space and fields Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-10-30 12:42 -0700

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#710187 — Curved space and fields

Fodder for much interstellar humor 

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#710198

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Fodder for much interstellar humor 
> 

And you’ve heard interstellar beings laugh?

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#710199

Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> writes:

>john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Fodder for much interstellar humor 
>> 

>And you’ve heard interstellar beings laugh?

Maybe he thinks the voices in his head are interstellar beings?

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#710220

On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 4:43:57 PM UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
> Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> >john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Fodder for much interstellar humor 
> >> 
> 
> >And you’ve heard interstellar beings laugh?
> 
> Maybe he thinks the voices in his head are interstellar beings?
==========================
space has 
no curvature 
and no schmervature !!

=======
Y.P
========================

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#710224

Well, loosely speaking, aren't we all interstellar beings?

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#710225

On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 9:59:53 AM UTC-7, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
> Well, loosely speaking, aren't we all interstellar beings?
Einstein went with curve space,so who are we to disagree Bert

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#710231

<pnalsing@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, loosely speaking, aren't we all interstellar beings?
> 

Between stars? 

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#710306

Sure, between stars. We are surrounded by stars on all sides... even if one happens to be a lot closer than the others...

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#710232

On 10/29/2018 11:59 AM, pnalsing@gmail.com wrote:
> Well, loosely speaking, aren't we all interstellar beings?
> 


yep, we is interstellar beings too. .

Interstellar : located, taking place, or traveling among the stars

   depends upon what "among" means..


we would have to be, the only other option is to live in in a star ?

       but that is still interstellar...



  does "among" indirectly mean "not on earth" ?

                          [Starfarter, what do you tink?]


Definition of among

1 : in or through the midst of : surrounded by hidden among the trees

2 : in company or association with living among artists

3 : by or through the aggregate of discontent among the poor

4 : in the number or class of wittiest among poets among other things
she was president of her college class

5 : in shares to each of divided among the heirs

6a : through the reciprocal acts of quarreling among themselves

b : through the joint action of made a fortune among themselves

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#710304

On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 6:59:53 PM UTC+2, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
> Well, loosely speaking, aren't we all interstellar beings?

=================================

If so 
why NASA  does not use 
curved space ''
in its interstellar    calculations ??!!!
==
TIA
Y.P
==============================================

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#710317

<yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 6:59:53 PM UTC+2, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Well, loosely speaking, aren't we all interstellar beings?
> 
> =================================
> 
> If so 
> why NASA  does not use 
> curved space ''
> in its interstellar    calculations ??!!!
> ==
> TIA
> Y.P
> ==============================================
> 
> 
> 

Because the approximation is good enough. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#710630

On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 2:12:46 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 6:59:53 PM UTC+2, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Well, loosely speaking, aren't we all interstellar beings?
> > 
> > =================================
> > 
> > If so 
> > why NASA  does not use 
> > curved space ''
> > in its interstellar    calculations ??!!!
> > ==
> > TIA
> > Y.P
> > ==============================================
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> Because the approximation is good enough. 
> 
> -- 
> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
=================================
(:-)
ok !!
 IF SO please   show us 

WAHT    IS THE REAL CALCULATION
AND WHAT IS THE APROXIMATION ….CALCULATION 
 

I THNK YOU KNOW just mumbling is not good enough ..in  science 
(after all I think you are a physics teacher )   

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#710736

<yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 2:12:46 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 6:59:53 PM UTC+2, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Well, loosely speaking, aren't we all interstellar beings?
>>> 
>>> ================================> > 
>>> If so 
>>> why NASA  does not use 
>>> curved space ''
>>> in its interstellar    calculations ??!!!
>>> => > TIA
>>> Y.P
>>> =============================================> > 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> Because the approximation is good enough. 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> ================================(:-)
> ok !!
>  IF SO please   show us 
> 
> WAHT    IS THE REAL CALCULATION
> AND WHAT IS THE APROXIMATION &.CALCULATION 

Calculation of what, exactly. You seem to think that there is one GR
calculation and one Newtonian calculation for every NASA trajectory they
investigate. Really???

>  
> 
> I THNK YOU KNOW just mumbling is not good enough ..in  science 
> (after all I think you are a physics teacher )   
> 

I’m not a physics teacher, and coming here to beg to be taught physics is
silly. This isn’t the place to learn physics. Concentrated study is. 

You didn’t become an engineer by asking to be taught engineering in a
newsgroup, did you?


-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#710767

On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 4:36:35 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 2:12:46 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 6:59:53 PM UTC+2, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> Well, loosely speaking, aren't we all interstellar beings?
> >>> 
> >>> ================================> > 
> >>> If so 
> >>> why NASA  does not use 
> >>> curved space ''
> >>> in its interstellar    calculations ??!!!
> >>> => > TIA
> >>> Y.P
> >>> =============================================> > 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >> 
> >> Because the approximation is good enough. 
> >> 
> >> -- 
> >> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> > ================================(:-)
> > ok !!
> >  IF SO please   show us 
> > 
> > WAHT    IS THE REAL CALCULATION
> > AND WHAT IS THE APROXIMATION &.CALCULATION 
> 
> Calculation of what, exactly. You seem to think that there is one GR
> calculation and one Newtonian calculation for every NASA trajectory they
> investigate. Really???
> 
> >  
> > 
> > I THNK YOU KNOW just mumbling is not good enough ..in  science 
> > (after all I think you are a physics teacher )   
> > 
> 
> I’m not a physics teacher, and coming here to beg to be taught physics is
> silly. This isn’t the place to learn physics. Concentrated study is. 
> 
> You didn’t become an engineer by asking to be taught engineering in a
> newsgroup, did you?
> 
> 
> -- 
> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
========================
common!!
if you say that the proximation is good enough 
means   that***** you*** know what about what you are talking   talking !!!
and you  know what is the approximation
and you know what is the exactly 

what   is right and what is not right 
or else you are mumbling  irresponsibly about  things that
you don't know ???!!!!!
or may be an imposter ??!
we are not here in children's games 

or else yo are just a parrot !!
in shot
if you know**
say I know exactly about  what  i am talking 
and if you dint know
say 
honestly
I have no idea what is done there 
and have no idea   
why ]
curved   space is neglected there 
and   even worse
you exactly don't   know wat  is going on there 
if so 
be honest and say 
I don't know what are their considerations there 
and what is that they know\or not 
all   along the way from  earth
to  Mars !!
or may be    they think that
curved space'' is not relevant for them and why ??
or not relevant to**any*  actual    possible project

of NASSA  
or may be YOU tell us 
in which project it might be RELEVANT 
and if you don't  know

say
I DONT    KNOW !!!!!
or may be 
iow
nonsense physics with   zero  use to anything !!??
TIA
Y.P
=======================

    

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#710774

<yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 4:36:35 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 2:12:46 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 6:59:53 PM UTC+2, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> Well, loosely speaking, aren't we all interstellar beings?
>>>>> 
>>>>> ================================> > 
>>>>> If so 
>>>>> why NASA  does not use 
>>>>> curved space ''
>>>>> in its interstellar    calculations ??!!!
>>>>> => > TIA
>>>>> Y.P
>>>>> =============================================> > 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Because the approximation is good enough. 
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>> ================================(:-)
>>> ok !!
>>> IF SO please   show us 
>>> 
>>> WAHT    IS THE REAL CALCULATION
>>> AND WHAT IS THE APROXIMATION &.CALCULATION 
>> 
>> Calculation of what, exactly. You seem to think that there is one GR
>> calculation and one Newtonian calculation for every NASA trajectory they
>> investigate. Really???
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I THNK YOU KNOW just mumbling is not good enough ..in  science 
>>> (after all I think you are a physics teacher )   
>>> 
>> 
>> Im not a physics teacher, and coming here to beg to be taught physics is
>> silly. This isnt the place to learn physics. Concentrated study is. 
>> 
>> You didnt become an engineer by asking to be taught engineering in a
>> newsgroup, did you?
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Odd Bodkin  Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> =======================common!!
> if you say that the proximation is good enough 
> means   that***** you*** know what about what you are talking   talking !!!
> and you  know what is the approximation
> and you know what is the exactly 
> 
> what   is right and what is not right 


Yes. And the differences between the two models depend on the application!
Of course!!

And you come here and rant day after day about GR when you don’t have the
foggiest idea how to do one calculation with it! For that matter, I’m
pretty sure you couldn’t calculate a Newtonian orbit either. 

> or else you are mumbling  irresponsibly about  things that
> you don't know ???!!!!!
> or may be an imposter ??!
> we are not here in children's games 
> 
> or else yo are just a parrot !!
> in shot
> if you know**
> say I know exactly about  what  i am talking 
> and if you dint know
> say 
> honestly
> I have no idea what is done there 
> and have no idea   
> why ]
> curved   space is neglected there 
> and   even worse
> you exactly don't   know wat  is going on there 
> if so 
> be honest and say 
> I don't know what are their considerations there 
> and what is that they know\or not 
> all   along the way from  earth
> to  Mars !!
> or may be    they think that
> curved space'' is not relevant for them and why ??
> or not relevant to**any*  actual    possible project
> 
> of NASSA  
> or may be YOU tell us 
> in which project it might be RELEVANT 
> and if you don't  know
> 
> say
> I DONT    KNOW !!!!!
> or may be 
> iow
> nonsense physics with   zero  use to anything !!??
> TIA
> Y.P
> ======================
>     
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#710783

On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 6:11:43 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 4:36:35 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 2:12:46 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 6:59:53 PM UTC+2, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>> Well, loosely speaking, aren't we all interstellar beings?
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> ================================> > 
> >>>>> If so 
> >>>>> why NASA  does not use 
> >>>>> curved space ''
> >>>>> in its interstellar    calculations ??!!!
> >>>>> => > TIA
> >>>>> Y.P
> >>>>> =============================================> > 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Because the approximation is good enough. 
> >>>> 
> >>>> -- 
> >>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> >>> ================================(:-)
> >>> ok !!
> >>> IF SO please   show us 
> >>> 
> >>> WAHT    IS THE REAL CALCULATION
> >>> AND WHAT IS THE APROXIMATION &.CALCULATION 
> >> 
> >> Calculation of what, exactly. You seem to think that there is one GR
> >> calculation and one Newtonian calculation for every NASA trajectory they
> >> investigate. Really???
> >> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> I THNK YOU KNOW just mumbling is not good enough ..in  science 
> >>> (after all I think you are a physics teacher )   
> >>> 
> >> 
> >> I m not a physics teacher, and coming here to beg to be taught physics is
> >> silly. This isn t the place to learn physics. Concentrated study is. 
> >> 
> >> You didn t become an engineer by asking to be taught engineering in a
> >> newsgroup, did you?
> >> 
> >> 
> >> -- 
> >> Odd Bodkin   Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> > =======================common!!
> > if you say that the proximation is good enough 
> > means   that***** you*** know what about what you are talking   talking !!!
> > and you  know what is the approximation
> > and you know what is the exactly 
> > 
> > what   is right and what is not right 
> 
> 
> Yes. And the differences between the two models depend on the application!
> Of course!!
> 
> And you come here and rant day after day about GR when you don’t have the
> foggiest idea how to do one calculation with it! For that matter, I’m
> pretty sure you couldn’t calculate a Newtonian orbit either. 
===================
AND  YOU CAN CALCULLE CURVED SPACE basic PROBOLMS
 ??

LET   US SEE:

pleas tell  us what is the RADIUS  OF CURVETURE
""OF CURVED SPACE** 
AROND OUR GLOBE ???

(a modest basic request isn't it so  !!!!!)

is  it not a modest request ??for a  physicist like you 
??
that is pretending to know
more than me !!

==
TIA
Y.P
=============


 
> 
> > or else you are mumbling  irresponsibly about  things that
> > you don't know ???!!!!!
> > or may be an imposter ??!
> > we are not here in children's games 
> > 
> > or else yo are just a parrot !!
> > in shot
> > if you know**
> > say I know exactly about  what  i am talking 
> > and if you dint know
> > say 
> > honestly
> > I have no idea what is done there 
> > and have no idea   
> > why ]
> > curved   space is neglected there 
> > and   even worse
> > you exactly don't   know wat  is going on there 
> > if so 
> > be honest and say 
> > I don't know what are their considerations there 
> > and what is that they know\or not 
> > all   along the way from  earth
> > to  Mars !!
> > or may be    they think that
> > curved space'' is not relevant for them and why ??
> > or not relevant to**any*  actual    possible project
> > 
> > of NASSA  
> > or may be YOU tell us 
> > in which project it might be RELEVANT 
> > and if you don't  know
> > 
> > say
> > I DONT    KNOW !!!!!
> > or may be 
> > iow
> > nonsense physics with   zero  use to anything !!??
> > TIA
> > Y.P
> > ======================
> >     
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#710806

On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 7:44:07 PM UTC+2, ypor...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 6:11:43 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> > <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 4:36:35 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> > >> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 2:12:46 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> > >>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>> On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 6:59:53 PM UTC+2, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >>>>>> Well, loosely speaking, aren't we all interstellar beings?
> > >>>>> 
> > >>>>> ================================> > 
> > >>>>> If so 
> > >>>>> why NASA  does not use 
> > >>>>> curved space ''
> > >>>>> in its interstellar    calculations ??!!!
> > >>>>> => > TIA
> > >>>>> Y.P
> > >>>>> =============================================> > 
> > >>>>> 
> > >>>>> 
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> Because the approximation is good enough. 
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> -- 
> > >>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> > >>> ================================(:-)
> > >>> ok !!
> > >>> IF SO please   show us 
> > >>> 
> > >>> WAHT    IS THE REAL CALCULATION
> > >>> AND WHAT IS THE APROXIMATION &.CALCULATION 
> > >> 
> > >> Calculation of what, exactly. You seem to think that there is one GR
> > >> calculation and one Newtonian calculation for every NASA trajectory they
> > >> investigate. Really???
> > >> 
> > >>> 
> > >>> 
> > >>> I THNK YOU KNOW just mumbling is not good enough ..in  science 
> > >>> (after all I think you are a physics teacher )   
> > >>> 
> > >> 
> > >> I m not a physics teacher, and coming here to beg to be taught physics is
> > >> silly. This isn t the place to learn physics. Concentrated study is. 
> > >> 
> > >> You didn t become an engineer by asking to be taught engineering in a
> > >> newsgroup, did you?
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> -- 
> > >> Odd Bodkin   Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> > > =======================common!!
> > > if you say that the proximation is good enough 
> > > means   that***** you*** know what about what you are talking   talking !!!
> > > and you  know what is the approximation
> > > and you know what is the exactly 
> > > 
> > > what   is right and what is not right 
> > 
> > 
> > Yes. And the differences between the two models depend on the application!
> > Of course!!
> > 
> > And you come here and rant day after day about GR when you don’t have the
> > foggiest idea how to do one calculation with it! For that matter, I’m
> > pretty sure you couldn’t calculate a Newtonian orbit either. 
> ===================
> AND  YOU CAN CALCULLE CURVED SPACE basic PROBOLMS
>  ??
> 
> LET   US SEE:
> 
> pleas tell  us what is the RADIUS  OF CURVETURE
> ""OF CURVED SPACE** 
> AROND OUR GLOBE ???
> 
> (a modest basic request isn't it so  !!!!!)
> 
> is  it not a modest request ??for a  physicist like you 
> ??
> that is pretending to know
> more than me !!
> 
> ==
> TIA
> Y.P
> =============
> 
> 
>  
> > 
> > > or else you are mumbling  irresponsibly about  things that
> > > you don't know ???!!!!!
> > > or may be an imposter ??!
> > > we are not here in children's games 
> > > 
> > > or else yo are just a parrot !!
> > > in shot
> > > if you know**
> > > say I know exactly about  what  i am talking 
> > > and if you dint know
> > > say 
> > > honestly
> > > I have no idea what is done there 
> > > and have no idea   
> > > why ]
> > > curved   space is neglected there 
> > > and   even worse
> > > you exactly don't   know wat  is going on there 
> > > if so 
> > > be honest and say 
> > > I don't know what are their considerations there 
> > > and what is that they know\or not 
> > > all   along the way from  earth
> > > to  Mars !!
> > > or may be    they think that
> > > curved space'' is not relevant for them and why ??
> > > or not relevant to**any*  actual    possible project
> > > 
> > > of NASSA  
> > > or may be YOU tell us 
> > > in which project it might be RELEVANT 
> > > and if you don't  know
> > > 
> > > say
> > > I DONT    KNOW !!!!!
> > > or may be 
> > > iow
> > > nonsense physics with   zero  use to anything !!??
> > > TIA
> > > Y.P
> > > ======================
========================
no Bodkin as usual 
is fading away !!!
actually 
not me and even  not Bodkin have to  know  
the calculations of s
sending a human   being to mars 
it is NASA job 
 not forr us
and yet
even as a standing aside

with some commonsense 
even by standing by side 
the known facts are good enough foe us  semi intelligent  people  
that are not just parrots
to realize that
CURVED SPACE'' IS NOT USED A BIT !!!

in that Marrs job !!!
and not anywhere 

much worse ::

IT IS GOOD FOR NOTHING  PRACTIALY!! 
only for  professors  getting payed 
for teaching poor students 
about ''CURVED SPACE'' 
====
TIA
Y.Porat
=====================

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#710822

<yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 7:44:07 PM UTC+2, ypor...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 6:11:43 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 4:36:35 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 2:12:46 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 6:59:53 PM UTC+2, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Well, loosely speaking, aren't we all interstellar beings?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ================================> > 
>>>>>>>> If so 
>>>>>>>> why NASA  does not use 
>>>>>>>> curved space ''
>>>>>>>> in its interstellar    calculations ??!!!
>>>>>>>> => > TIA
>>>>>>>> Y.P
>>>>>>>> =============================================> > 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Because the approximation is good enough. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>>>>> ================================(:-)
>>>>>> ok !!
>>>>>> IF SO please   show us 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> WAHT    IS THE REAL CALCULATION
>>>>>> AND WHAT IS THE APROXIMATION &.CALCULATION 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Calculation of what, exactly. You seem to think that there is one GR
>>>>> calculation and one Newtonian calculation for every NASA trajectory they
>>>>> investigate. Really???
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I THNK YOU KNOW just mumbling is not good enough ..in  science 
>>>>>> (after all I think you are a physics teacher )   
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I m not a physics teacher, and coming here to beg to be taught physics is
>>>>> silly. This isn t the place to learn physics. Concentrated study is. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> You didn t become an engineer by asking to be taught engineering in a
>>>>> newsgroup, did you?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Odd Bodkin   Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>>> =======================common!!
>>>> if you say that the proximation is good enough 
>>>> means   that***** you*** know what about what you are talking   talking !!!
>>>> and you  know what is the approximation
>>>> and you know what is the exactly 
>>>> 
>>>> what   is right and what is not right 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Yes. And the differences between the two models depend on the application!
>>> Of course!!
>>> 
>>> And you come here and rant day after day about GR when you dont have the
>>> foggiest idea how to do one calculation with it! For that matter, Im
>>> pretty sure you couldnt calculate a Newtonian orbit either. 
>> ==================> AND  YOU CAN CALCULLE CURVED SPACE basic PROBOLMS
>> ??
>> 
>> LET   US SEE:
>> 
>> pleas tell  us what is the RADIUS  OF CURVETURE
>> ""OF CURVED SPACE** 
>> AROND OUR GLOBE ???
>> 
>> (a modest basic request isn't it so  !!!!!)
>> 
>> is  it not a modest request ??for a  physicist like you 
>> ??
>> that is pretending to know
>> more than me !!
>> 
>> => TIA
>> Y.P
>> ============> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>>> or else you are mumbling  irresponsibly about  things that
>>>> you don't know ???!!!!!
>>>> or may be an imposter ??!
>>>> we are not here in children's games 
>>>> 
>>>> or else yo are just a parrot !!
>>>> in shot
>>>> if you know**
>>>> say I know exactly about  what  i am talking 
>>>> and if you dint know
>>>> say 
>>>> honestly
>>>> I have no idea what is done there 
>>>> and have no idea   
>>>> why ]
>>>> curved   space is neglected there 
>>>> and   even worse
>>>> you exactly don't   know wat  is going on there 
>>>> if so 
>>>> be honest and say 
>>>> I don't know what are their considerations there 
>>>> and what is that they know\or not 
>>>> all   along the way from  earth
>>>> to  Mars !!
>>>> or may be    they think that
>>>> curved space'' is not relevant for them and why ??
>>>> or not relevant to**any*  actual    possible project
>>>> 
>>>> of NASSA  
>>>> or may be YOU tell us 
>>>> in which project it might be RELEVANT 
>>>> and if you don't  know
>>>> 
>>>> say
>>>> I DONT    KNOW !!!!!
>>>> or may be 
>>>> iow
>>>> nonsense physics with   zero  use to anything !!??
>>>> TIA
>>>> Y.P
>>>> ============================================no Bodkin as usual 
> is fading away !!!
> actually 
> not me and even  not Bodkin have to  know  
> the calculations of s
> sending a human   being to mars 
> it is NASA job 
>  not forr us
> and yet
> even as a standing aside
> 
> with some commonsense 
> even by standing by side 
> the known facts are good enough foe us  semi intelligent  people  
> that are not just parrots
> to realize that
> CURVED SPACE'' IS NOT USED A BIT !!!
> 
> in that Marrs job !!!
> and not anywhere 
> 
> much worse ::
> 
> IT IS GOOD FOR NOTHING  PRACTIALY!! 
> only for  professors  getting payed 
> for teaching poor students 
> about ''CURVED SPACE'' 
> ===TIA
> Y.Porat
> ====================

Is fading away.... 
lol. You have the patience of a two year old. You don’t get a reply in an
hour and you think you’ve chased people away. Some people have a life away
from the newsgroup. 

The radius of curvature of SPACETIME (not space) is about 31 billion feet. 

You can calculate this just by taking a trajectory of a thrown ball that
covers 30 horizontal feet in about a second, rising about 4 feet to the
apex of its trajectory. A second of time is a billion nanoseconds or about
a billion feet of time, using natural units. For a curved trajectory, the
sagitta s and the chord length c are related to the radius of curvature r
by a simple geometric relation: c^2 = 8sr. 

In Newtonian physics, the curvature of space is zero. The curvature of the
surface of the earth has absolutely nothing to do with the curvature of
space. 

Now, in case this doesn’t clear things up for you, let me point out that
there are plenty people in this newsgroup who do know how to do this simple
calculations even if you don’t. If the calculations I’ve just described are
still Greek to you, just take that as an indicator of how much remedial
info you have to learn before you can talk about GR intelligently. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#710827

Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> wrote:
> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 7:44:07 PM UTC+2, ypor...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 6:11:43 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 4:36:35 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 2:12:46 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 6:59:53 PM UTC+2, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Well, loosely speaking, aren't we all interstellar beings?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ================================> > 
>>>>>>>>> If so 
>>>>>>>>> why NASA  does not use 
>>>>>>>>> curved space ''
>>>>>>>>> in its interstellar    calculations ??!!!
>>>>>>>>> => > TIA
>>>>>>>>> Y.P
>>>>>>>>> =============================================> > 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Because the approximation is good enough. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>>>>>> ================================(:-)
>>>>>>> ok !!
>>>>>>> IF SO please   show us 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> WAHT    IS THE REAL CALCULATION
>>>>>>> AND WHAT IS THE APROXIMATION &.CALCULATION 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Calculation of what, exactly. You seem to think that there is one GR
>>>>>> calculation and one Newtonian calculation for every NASA trajectory they
>>>>>> investigate. Really???
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I THNK YOU KNOW just mumbling is not good enough ..in  science 
>>>>>>> (after all I think you are a physics teacher )   
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I m not a physics teacher, and coming here to beg to be taught physics is
>>>>>> silly. This isn t the place to learn physics. Concentrated study is. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You didn t become an engineer by asking to be taught engineering in a
>>>>>> newsgroup, did you?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Odd Bodkin   Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>>>> =======================common!!
>>>>> if you say that the proximation is good enough 
>>>>> means   that***** you*** know what about what you are talking   talking !!!
>>>>> and you  know what is the approximation
>>>>> and you know what is the exactly 
>>>>> 
>>>>> what   is right and what is not right 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Yes. And the differences between the two models depend on the application!
>>>> Of course!!
>>>> 
>>>> And you come here and rant day after day about GR when you dont have the
>>>> foggiest idea how to do one calculation with it! For that matter, Im
>>>> pretty sure you couldnt calculate a Newtonian orbit either. 
>>> ==================> AND  YOU CAN CALCULLE CURVED SPACE basic PROBOLMS
>>> ??
>>> 
>>> LET   US SEE:
>>> 
>>> pleas tell  us what is the RADIUS  OF CURVETURE
>>> ""OF CURVED SPACE** 
>>> AROND OUR GLOBE ???
>>> 
>>> (a modest basic request isn't it so  !!!!!)
>>> 
>>> is  it not a modest request ??for a  physicist like you 
>>> ??
>>> that is pretending to know
>>> more than me !!
>>> 
>>> => TIA
>>> Y.P
>>> ============> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> or else you are mumbling  irresponsibly about  things that
>>>>> you don't know ???!!!!!
>>>>> or may be an imposter ??!
>>>>> we are not here in children's games 
>>>>> 
>>>>> or else yo are just a parrot !!
>>>>> in shot
>>>>> if you know**
>>>>> say I know exactly about  what  i am talking 
>>>>> and if you dint know
>>>>> say 
>>>>> honestly
>>>>> I have no idea what is done there 
>>>>> and have no idea   
>>>>> why ]
>>>>> curved   space is neglected there 
>>>>> and   even worse
>>>>> you exactly don't   know wat  is going on there 
>>>>> if so 
>>>>> be honest and say 
>>>>> I don't know what are their considerations there 
>>>>> and what is that they know\or not 
>>>>> all   along the way from  earth
>>>>> to  Mars !!
>>>>> or may be    they think that
>>>>> curved space'' is not relevant for them and why ??
>>>>> or not relevant to**any*  actual    possible project
>>>>> 
>>>>> of NASSA  
>>>>> or may be YOU tell us 
>>>>> in which project it might be RELEVANT 
>>>>> and if you don't  know
>>>>> 
>>>>> say
>>>>> I DONT    KNOW !!!!!
>>>>> or may be 
>>>>> iow
>>>>> nonsense physics with   zero  use to anything !!??
>>>>> TIA
>>>>> Y.P
>>>>> ============================================no Bodkin as usual 
>> is fading away !!!
>> actually 
>> not me and even  not Bodkin have to  know  
>> the calculations of s
>> sending a human   being to mars 
>> it is NASA job 
>> not forr us
>> and yet
>> even as a standing aside
>> 
>> with some commonsense 
>> even by standing by side 
>> the known facts are good enough foe us  semi intelligent  people  
>> that are not just parrots
>> to realize that
>> CURVED SPACE'' IS NOT USED A BIT !!!
>> 
>> in that Marrs job !!!
>> and not anywhere 
>> 
>> much worse ::
>> 
>> IT IS GOOD FOR NOTHING  PRACTIALY!! 
>> only for  professors  getting payed 
>> for teaching poor students 
>> about ''CURVED SPACE'' 
>> ===TIA
>> Y.Porat
>> ====================
> 
> Is fading away.... 
> lol. You have the patience of a two year old. You don’t get a reply in an
> hour and you think you’ve chased people away. Some people have a life away
> from the newsgroup. 
> 
> The radius of curvature of SPACETIME (not space) is about 31 billion feet. 

Missed a word. 31 million billion feet. 

> 
> You can calculate this just by taking a trajectory of a thrown ball that
> covers 30 horizontal feet in about a second, rising about 4 feet to the
> apex of its trajectory. A second of time is a billion nanoseconds or about
> a billion feet of time, using natural units. For a curved trajectory, the
> sagitta s and the chord length c are related to the radius of curvature r
> by a simple geometric relation: c^2 = 8sr. 
> 
> In Newtonian physics, the curvature of space is zero. The curvature of the
> surface of the earth has absolutely nothing to do with the curvature of
> space. 
> 
> Now, in case this doesn’t clear things up for you, let me point out that
> there are plenty people in this newsgroup who do know how to do this simple
> calculations even if you don’t. If the calculations I’ve just described are
> still Greek to you, just take that as an indicator of how much remedial
> info you have to learn before you can talk about GR intelligently. 
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#710961

On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 9:59:20 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 7:44:07 PM UTC+2, ypor...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 6:11:43 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 4:36:35 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 2:12:46 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 6:59:53 PM UTC+2, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Well, loosely speaking, aren't we all interstellar beings?
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> ================================> > 
> >>>>>>>> If so 
> >>>>>>>> why NASA  does not use 
> >>>>>>>> curved space ''
> >>>>>>>> in its interstellar    calculations ??!!!
> >>>>>>>> => > TIA
> >>>>>>>> Y.P
> >>>>>>>> =============================================> > 
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Because the approximation is good enough. 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> -- 
> >>>>>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> >>>>>> ================================(:-)
> >>>>>> ok !!
> >>>>>> IF SO please   show us 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> WAHT    IS THE REAL CALCULATION
> >>>>>> AND WHAT IS THE APROXIMATION &.CALCULATION 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Calculation of what, exactly. You seem to think that there is one GR
> >>>>> calculation and one Newtonian calculation for every NASA trajectory they
> >>>>> investigate. Really???
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> I THNK YOU KNOW just mumbling is not good enough ..in  science 
> >>>>>> (after all I think you are a physics teacher )   
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> I m not a physics teacher, and coming here to beg to be taught physics is
> >>>>> silly. This isn t the place to learn physics. Concentrated study is. 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> You didn t become an engineer by asking to be taught engineering in a
> >>>>> newsgroup, did you?
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> -- 
> >>>>> Odd Bodkin   Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> >>>> =======================common!!
> >>>> if you say that the proximation is good enough 
> >>>> means   that***** you*** know what about what you are talking   talking !!!
> >>>> and you  know what is the approximation
> >>>> and you know what is the exactly 
> >>>> 
> >>>> what   is right and what is not right 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Yes. And the differences between the two models depend on the application!
> >>> Of course!!
> >>> 
> >>> And you come here and rant day after day about GR when you don t have the
> >>> foggiest idea how to do one calculation with it! For that matter, I m
> >>> pretty sure you couldn t calculate a Newtonian orbit either. 
> >> ==================> AND  YOU CAN CALCULLE CURVED SPACE basic PROBOLMS
> >> ??
> >> 
> >> LET   US SEE:
> >> 
> >> pleas tell  us what is the RADIUS  OF CURVETURE
> >> ""OF CURVED SPACE** 
> >> AROND OUR GLOBE ???
> >> 
> >> (a modest basic request isn't it so  !!!!!)
> >> 
> >> is  it not a modest request ??for a  physicist like you 
> >> ??
> >> that is pretending to know
> >> more than me !!
> >> 
> >> => TIA
> >> Y.P
> >> ============> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> 
> >>>> or else you are mumbling  irresponsibly about  things that
> >>>> you don't know ???!!!!!
> >>>> or may be an imposter ??!
> >>>> we are not here in children's games 
> >>>> 
> >>>> or else yo are just a parrot !!
> >>>> in shot
> >>>> if you know**
> >>>> say I know exactly about  what  i am talking 
> >>>> and if you dint know
> >>>> say 
> >>>> honestly
> >>>> I have no idea what is done there 
> >>>> and have no idea   
> >>>> why ]
> >>>> curved   space is neglected there 
> >>>> and   even worse
> >>>> you exactly don't   know wat  is going on there 
> >>>> if so 
> >>>> be honest and say 
> >>>> I don't know what are their considerations there 
> >>>> and what is that they know\or not 
> >>>> all   along the way from  earth
> >>>> to  Mars !!
> >>>> or may be    they think that
> >>>> curved space'' is not relevant for them and why ??
> >>>> or not relevant to**any*  actual    possible project
> >>>> 
> >>>> of NASSA  
> >>>> or may be YOU tell us 
> >>>> in which project it might be RELEVANT 
> >>>> and if you don't  know
> >>>> 
> >>>> say
> >>>> I DONT    KNOW !!!!!
> >>>> or may be 
> >>>> iow
> >>>> nonsense physics with   zero  use to anything !!??
> >>>> TIA
> >>>> Y.P
> >>>> ============================================no Bodkin as usual 
> > is fading away !!!
> > actually 
> > not me and even  not Bodkin have to  know  
> > the calculations of s
> > sending a human   being to mars 
> > it is NASA job 
> >  not forr us
> > and yet
> > even as a standing aside
> > 
> > with some commonsense 
> > even by standing by side 
> > the known facts are good enough foe us  semi intelligent  people  
> > that are not just parrots
> > to realize that
> > CURVED SPACE'' IS NOT USED A BIT !!!
> > 
> > in that Marrs job !!!
> > and not anywhere 
> > 
> > much worse ::
> > 
> > IT IS GOOD FOR NOTHING  PRACTIALY!! 
> > only for  professors  getting payed 
> > for teaching poor students 
> > about ''CURVED SPACE'' 
> > ===TIA
> > Y.Porat
> > ====================
> 
> Is fading away.... 
> lol. You have the patience of a two year old. You don’t get a reply in an
> hour and you think you’ve chased people away. Some people have a life away
> from the newsgroup. 
> 
> The radius of curvature of SPACETIME (not space) is about 31 billion feet. 
> 
> You can calculate this just by taking a trajectory of a thrown ball that
> covers 30 horizontal feet in about a second, rising about 4 feet to the
> apex of its trajectory. A second of time is a billion nanoseconds or about
> a billion feet of time, using natural units. For a curved trajectory, the
> sagitta s and the chord length c are related to the radius of curvature r
> by a simple geometric relation: c^2 = 8sr. 
> 
> In Newtonian physics, the curvature of space is zero. The curvature of the
> surface of the earth has absolutely nothing to do with the curvature of
> space. 
> 
> Now, in case this doesn’t clear things up for you, let me point out that
> there are plenty people in this newsgroup who do know how to do this simple
> calculations even if you don’t. If the calculations I’ve just described are
> still Greek to you, just take that as an indicator of how much remedial
> info you have to learn before you can talk about GR intelligently. 
> 
> -- 
> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
======================
We don't  need your
'many people' knowing how to use curved  space 
even  just onem of them that will 
do it  right is enough !!
but the fact is that though all  those 
pompous mumblings of yours and others 
-no one even  NASA does not and did not
ever- use it !
and will  never use it
and no one will proving using it 
because 
it is one of the biggest ''flops
in the history of science !!
not to mansion
anyone to use it
in   practical   life !!!

(NASSA use and will use
the ordinary   Newtonian physics 
not bull shit physics 
2
=====================================
MASS** IS THE CREATOR OF ALL FORCES   INCULDING    GRAVITY !! 
===============================

no curvature and no schmervature of space !!
==================
Y.Porat
====================

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