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Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh!

Started byKeith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com>
First post2018-10-13 16:08 +0100
Last post2018-10-18 10:40 +0100
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  Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-13 16:08 +0100
    Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-10-13 10:49 -0700
      Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-10-13 10:58 -0700
        Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-10-13 11:06 -0700
          Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-13 16:11 -0400
        Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-13 16:10 -0400
      Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-13 16:08 -0400
        Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-10-13 14:03 -0700
          Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-13 18:27 -0400
            Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-10-13 21:36 -0700
              Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-10-14 13:44 -0700
              Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-15 11:24 -0400
                Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-15 08:45 -0700
                  Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-15 12:06 -0400
                    Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-15 17:32 +0000
                      Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-15 21:15 -0400
                        Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-16 02:51 +0000
                          Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-15 23:00 -0400
                            Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-16 11:24 +0000
                              Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-16 08:12 -0400
                                Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-16 12:39 +0000
                    Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-10-15 10:34 -0700
                      Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-15 21:18 -0400
                Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-10-15 10:32 -0700
                  Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-15 21:17 -0400
                    Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-10-15 20:57 -0700
                      Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-16 08:10 -0400
                        Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-10-16 11:00 -0700
        Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-10-13 18:49 -0700
    Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2018-10-13 13:48 -0700
      Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-13 15:33 -0700
        Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-13 20:43 -0400
          Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-13 18:36 -0700
            Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-13 23:10 -0400
          Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-14 08:35 -0700
            Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-14 13:47 -0700
              Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-14 23:06 +0000
          Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2018-10-14 15:02 -0700
        Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-10-17 10:34 -0700
    Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-10-13 18:48 -0700
      Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-10-13 19:01 -0700
      Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-13 23:12 -0400
    Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-10-13 19:01 -0700
      Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-13 23:17 -0400
        Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-10-15 13:10 -0700
    Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-15 16:09 +0100
    Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-17 12:37 +0100
      Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-17 08:43 -0700
      Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-17 12:14 -0400
        Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-17 17:51 +0100
          Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-17 13:32 -0400
            Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-17 20:13 +0100
              Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-17 15:50 -0400
                Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-18 10:27 +0100
                  Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-18 07:56 -0700
                    Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-18 22:35 +0000
                      Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-18 22:52 +0000
                      Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 09:26 -0700
                        Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 23:12 +0000
                          Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 16:18 -0700
                            Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-25 02:05 +0000
                              Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-25 02:07 +0000
                                Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 22:02 -0700
                                  Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-25 10:35 +0000
                                    Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-25 05:33 -0700
                                      Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-25 06:59 -0700
                                      Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-25 16:09 +0000
                                        Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-26 10:33 -0700
                            Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-25 16:30 +0000
                              Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-25 10:02 -0700
                                Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-25 22:09 +0000
                                  Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-26 04:02 -0700
                                    Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-26 17:48 +0000
                                      Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-26 11:15 -0700
                                        Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-10-26 11:52 -0700
                                        Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-26 22:53 +0000
                                          Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-27 06:56 -0700
                                Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-26 10:27 -0700
                  Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-18 12:30 -0400
                Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-10-19 10:27 -0700
      Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-17 16:50 +0000
        Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-18 10:40 +0100

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#708607

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-10-17 16:50 +0000
Message-ID<pq7p8q$mcp$3@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#708592
Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> writes:

>On 13/10/2018 16:08, Keith Stein wrote
>> On 24/03/2018 08:36, Keith Stein wrote:

>>  > Searching for an alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts, it
>>  > occurred to me that if the speed of light is slowing down, then this
>>  > will necessarily lead to increasing red-shift with increasing
>>  > distance, as observed by Hubble et. al., without any expansion at all.


>When light slows down by entering a more dense medium such as glass, or
>water, the frequency stays the same and the WAVELENGTH REDUCES.
>So how is it that when light slows down traveling across intergalactic 
>space,the the WAVELENGTH INCREASES ?

Doppler Effect.

>The frequency generated by any given atomic transition, even on distant 
>galaxies many billions of years ago, is exactly the same as that on 
>Earth today.

When measured locally, yes.

> The wavelength is proportional the the velocity of light AT 
>THE TIME IT WAS EMITTED,

Which, of course, is the same as it is now.
Because of that, the observed frequency of light from a receding galaxy
is decreased, and its wavelength is increased.
The product remains constant, c.

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#708760

FromKeith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com>
Date2018-10-18 10:40 +0100
Message-ID<6yYxD.112728$vX1.11782@fx46.am4>
In reply to#708607
On 24/03/2018 08:36, Keith Stein wrote:

 > Searching for an alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts, it
 > occurred to me that if the speed of light is slowing down, then this
 > will necessarily lead to increasing red-shift with increasing
 > distance, as observed by Hubble et. al., without any expansion at all.
 >
 > Merely by assuming      dc = -K c dt ..................(1)
 > I was led to             c = c(0) e^-Kt ...............(2)
 > and on to               Red-Shift = e^-Kt - 1 .........(3)
 >
 >      K ~= 10^-10 /year
 >      t = time in years
 >
 > Only after starting the PHYSICS PRIZE thread, in which i was trying to
 > enlist the help of sci.physics.relativity readers to obtain a more
 > accurate value of K, did the obvious solution occur to me...........
 >
 >                         K = H = Hubble's Constant
 > and                    t = -t  ( so times past become +ve)
 >
 > which substituted in (3) gives:
 >
 >              Red-Shift = e^Ht - 1 .........(4)
 >
 > then for times which are small compared to 1/H (i.e. small compared
 > to the 'age of the universe'), we may use the approximation:
 >              e^x ~= 1 + x .................(5)
 >
 > So for t << 1/H we have:
 >
 >              Red-Shift = H * t ............(6)
 >
 > which is of course the normal "Hubble's Law", valid only
 > for modest times into the past ( t < ~5 billion years).
 >
 > As our telescopes manage to see further out into space, and therefore 
 > further back in time, we will find that the normal linear Hubble's 
Law > expressed in equation(6), will have to be replaced by the more
 > accurate exponential form expressed in equation(4). This is indeed
 > what is found  in observatories all around the world eh!



wikepedia wrote:
"We currently appear to be approaching a period where the expansion is
  exponential due to the increasing dominance of vacuum energy. In this
  regime, the Hubble parameter is constant, and the universe grows by a
  factor e each Hubble time:"


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble%27s_law#Observed_values_of_the_Hubble_constant



On 17/10/2018 17:50, Michael Moroney wrote:
> Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> On 13/10/2018 16:08, Keith Stein wrote
>>> On 24/03/2018 08:36, Keith Stein wrote:
> 
>>>   > Searching for an alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts, it
>>>   > occurred to me that if the speed of light is slowing down, then this
>>>   > will necessarily lead to increasing red-shift with increasing
>>>   > distance, as observed by Hubble et. al., without any expansion at all.
> 
> 
>> When light slows down by entering a more dense medium such as glass, or
>> water, the frequency stays the same and the WAVELENGTH REDUCES.
>> So how is it that when light slows down traveling across intergalactic
>> space,the the WAVELENGTH INCREASES ?
> 
> Doppler Effect.
> 
>> The frequency generated by any given atomic transition, even on distant
>> galaxies many billions of years ago, is exactly the same as that on
>> Earth today.
> 
> When measured locally, yes.
> 
>> The wavelength is proportional the the velocity of light AT
>> THE TIME IT WAS EMITTED,
> 
> Which, of course, is the same as it is now.
> Because of that, the observed frequency of light from a receding galaxy
> is decreased, and its wavelength is increased.
> The product remains constant, c.
> 

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