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| Started by | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2018-09-15 14:55 -0700 |
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Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-15 14:55 -0700
Re: Fractal radiations Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-15 21:57 +0000
Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-15 15:23 -0700
Re: Fractal radiations moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-16 01:40 +0000
Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-16 06:28 -0700
Re: Fractal radiations moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-16 15:24 +0000
Re: Fractal radiations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-16 02:33 +0000
Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-16 05:59 -0700
Re: Fractal radiations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-16 13:14 +0000
Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-16 07:50 -0700
Re: Fractal radiations moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-16 15:31 +0000
Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-16 09:09 -0700
Re: Fractal radiations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-16 19:23 +0000
Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-16 12:29 -0700
Re: Fractal radiations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-16 19:35 +0000
Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 05:47 -0700
Re: Fractal radiations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 12:59 +0000
Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 06:16 -0700
Re: Fractal radiations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 16:43 +0000
Re: Fractal radiations moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-17 16:50 +0000
Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 11:34 -0700
Re: Fractal radiations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 18:38 +0000
Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 12:05 -0700
Re: Fractal radiations Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-09-17 14:17 -0500
Re: Fractal radiations benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 15:53 -0400
Re: Fractal radiations Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-09-17 18:01 -0500
Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 16:03 -0700
Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 16:08 -0700
Re: Fractal radiations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 23:22 +0000
Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 18:59 -0700
Re: Fractal radiations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 02:40 +0000
Re: Fractal radiations Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-09-18 11:29 -0500
Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 09:44 -0700
Re: Fractal radiations "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-09-18 14:08 -0700
Re: Fractal radiations "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-09-18 14:10 -0700
Re: Fractal radiations benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 18:08 -0400
Re: Fractal radiations moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-18 17:18 +0000
Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 10:22 -0700
Re: Fractal radiations moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-18 18:03 +0000
Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 11:57 -0700
Re: Fractal radiations moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-18 19:17 +0000
Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 13:12 -0700
Re: Fractal radiations Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-09-17 18:09 -0500
Re: Fractal radiations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 21:24 +0000
Re: Fractal radiations "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-09-17 15:07 -0700
Re: Fractal radiations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 22:16 +0000
Re: Fractal radiations "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-09-17 15:22 -0700
Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 15:27 -0700
Re: Fractal radiations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 23:16 +0000
Re: Fractal radiations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 22:27 +0000
Re: Fractal radiations "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-09-17 15:38 -0700
Re: Fractal radiations "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-09-17 21:28 -0700
Re: Fractal radiations "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-09-18 14:11 -0700
Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 14:28 -0700
Re: Fractal radiations "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-09-18 15:54 -0700
Re: Fractal radiations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 02:42 +0000
Re: Fractal radiations Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-09-17 22:42 -0500
Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 05:47 -0700
Re: Fractal radiations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 12:49 +0000
Re: Fractal radiations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 13:06 +0000
Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 06:23 -0700
Re: Fractal radiations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 14:30 +0000
Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 08:14 -0700
Re: Fractal radiations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 16:22 +0000
Re: Fractal radiations benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 18:24 -0400
Re: Fractal radiations moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-18 17:17 +0000
Re: Fractal radiations pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-09-18 21:06 -0700
Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-19 06:58 -0700
Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-19 08:50 -0700
Re: Fractal radiations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-19 17:12 +0000
Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-19 12:46 -0700
Re: Fractal radiations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-19 22:22 +0000
Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-19 16:14 -0700
Re: Fractal radiations moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-19 23:40 +0000
Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-19 17:25 -0700
Re: Fractal radiations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-20 00:43 +0000
Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-19 18:41 -0700
Re: Fractal radiations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-20 14:35 +0000
Re: Fractal radiations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-20 14:48 +0000
Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-20 08:05 -0700
Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-20 08:24 -0700
Re: Fractal radiations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-20 22:14 +0000
Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-20 17:10 -0700
Re: Fractal radiations pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-09-20 17:55 -0700
Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-20 18:09 -0700
Re: Fractal radiations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 03:33 +0000
Re: Fractal radiations moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-20 15:42 +0000
Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-20 09:09 -0700
Re: Fractal radiations moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-20 16:59 +0000
Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 06:19 -0700
Re: Fractal radiations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 14:55 +0000
Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 08:23 -0700
Re: Fractal radiations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 16:09 +0000
Re: Fractal radiations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-20 00:43 +0000
Re: Fractal radiations moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-17 16:47 +0000
Re: Fractal radiations Mutt Buncher <invalid@example.com> - 2018-09-19 08:07 -0700
Re: Fractal radiations benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-09-19 12:26 -0400
Re: Fractal radiations "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-09-19 23:54 -0700
Re: Fractal radiations "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-09-20 09:34 -0700
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-09-18 06:23 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1a2ca8cd-fce7-4218-8f2c-9815b013c90b@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #703312 |
Odd “You have the mindset and attitudes of an eleven-year-old boy, John, whe” And you believe in point particles. Meh
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-09-18 14:30 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pnr26e$o1n$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #703321 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > Odd > “You have the mindset and attitudes of an eleven-year-old boy, John, whe” > And you believe in point particles. > Meh > Yup and for a grown up reason. In science, an idea like point particles is sound if and only if the quantitative, calculated predictions of a theory based on that idea do in fact match observational measurements. Period, end of story. You may dislike that because you hate anything that smacks of numbers (bean counting, you call it), but that’s too bad — this is what truth in science means. There is no possible informed debate about that. Note that this means that the validity of the idea does NOT hinge on any of the things you favor: - that it matches common experience - that it agrees with prior assumptions, like Newtonian absolute time - that it is explainable in plain language in at most a few paragraphs - that it is visualizable as a picture or an animation - that it has obvious practical application for improving human condition Much to your dismay, NONE of these things have any voice in whether the idea is sound. -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-09-18 08:14 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1dd832c0-4cc9-48ca-863b-48380f6a0ba3@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #703330 |
Odd “Yup and for a grown up reason. ” Hahaha Odd. Grown up reason. Hahahahaha
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-09-18 16:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pnr8on$144f$3@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #703340 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > Odd > “Yup and for a grown up reason. ” > > Hahaha > Odd. > Grown up reason. > Hahahahaha > Laugh all you want, John. You don’t know what science does. -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-09-18 18:24 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <pnrtur$8l8$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #703330 |
On 9/18/2018 10:30 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote: > john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: >> Odd >> “You have the mindset and attitudes of an eleven-year-old boy, John, whe” >> And you believe in point particles. >> Meh >> > > Yup and for a grown up reason. > > In science, an idea like point particles is sound if and only if the > quantitative, calculated predictions of a theory based on that idea do in > fact match observational measurements. Period, end of story. You may > dislike that because you hate anything that smacks of numbers (bean > counting, you call it), but that’s too bad — this is what truth in science > means. There is no possible informed debate about that. > > Note that this means that the validity of the idea does NOT hinge on any of > the things you favor: > > - that it matches common experience > - that it agrees with prior assumptions, like Newtonian absolute time > - that it is explainable in plain language in at most a few paragraphs > - that it is visualizable as a picture or an animation > - that it has obvious practical application for improving human condition > > Much to your dismay, NONE of these things have any voice in whether the > idea is sound. John is right. You are a fool. NOTHING in reality has zero dimensions and yet exists. Point particles are pure fantasy and your libtard philosophy that reality is just your fantasies is so anti-science as to render you worthy of being ignored. If you had read my book instead of insisting on maintaining your ignorant state, you'd know that. Insisting on staying ignorant is ALSO anti-science behavior. Quit pretending you know science. You know NO science even the basis rules. You are a fool.
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2018-09-18 17:17 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pnrbum$b6l$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #703309 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >Well, if you magnify your Atom so it's as big as a galaxy, >then they are identical. Except that it isn't. >How's that? That's wrong. --- You complain about science having 'point particles', but you never give a reason why you think that's wrong. Yet you have no problems with spinny things magically precessing without any external torque or energy applied. (and without even a reason, precession solves no problems at all!) You also dream up total fictional crap like "if you magnify your Atom so it's as big as a galaxy, then they are identical", without explanation. Why John? Why do you expect anyone to accept your bogus claims without even a reason for believing it, yet you get upset over fundamental point particles and what you mistakenly call "suck gravity".
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| From | pnalsing@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2018-09-18 21:06 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <0b798443-b569-44ab-b0d1-cda7b4d7584e@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #703309 |
On Tuesday, September 18, 2018 at 5:47:20 AM UTC-7, john wrote: > Well, if you magnify your Atom so it’s as big as a galaxy, > then they are identical. Put the bong down, John, that's enough for today...
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-09-19 06:58 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <d0304b0f-d5d0-4b9c-96a6-78b0743a932d@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #703458 |
pnal “Put the bong down, John, that's enough for today... ” If you want me to show you a picture of an atom, I will show you a galaxy. How does other matter ‘feel’ gravity? The same way we can see galaxies- by their RADIATION. Curved Space? Lay off the drugs
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-09-19 08:50 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <f8781425-d42f-4278-b8cc-4d0fc7fa0e32@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #703458 |
pnal “Put the bong down, John, that's enough for today... ” Why don’t you show us what you imagine an atom to look like? You say it doesn’t look like a galaxy. Show me a picture
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-09-19 17:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pnu018$1iqv$3@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #703509 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > pnal > “Put the bong down, John, that's enough for today... ” > > Why don’t you show us what you imagine an atom to look like? > You say it doesn’t look like a galaxy. > Show me a picture > Already done. You have forgotten it I guess. -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-09-19 12:46 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <453f469b-8a43-44f8-a69a-97d2bcfe3797@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #703521 |
Odd “You have forgotten it I gu” Atom in a box is a probability distribution for spheres. So- atoms are spheres, you say. Good start. Your 3 quarks are in the middle? Do they spin, or just do something you can’t describe/picture? We know your electrons do something you can’t describe/picture. You know what? You just don’t HAVE a model- that’s why you can’t picture it. Aw! :(
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-09-19 22:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pnui7g$ju8$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #703531 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > Odd > “You have forgotten it I gu” > Atom in a box is a probability distribution for spheres. No it isn’t. Good grief. Why do you make stuff up? > So- atoms are spheres, you say. Some are, some not. None are disks. > Good start. > Your 3 quarks are in the middle? Depends on the atom. That’s a region 10,000 time smaller than the atom size so it’d be a pin prick sized spot in the middle of atom in a box. You wouldn’t see their pattern anyway. > Do they spin, or just do something you can’t describe/picture? > We know your electrons do something you can’t describe/picture. Atom in a box. That’s the picture. I don’t know why you don’t get this. You keep saying, that’s s picture of something else, not a picture of what the electron is doing. No, that IS the picture of what the electron is doing. You just don’t recognize it. > You know what? You just don’t HAVE a model- that’s why you can’t picture it. > Aw! :( > -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-09-19 16:14 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <68eebc4e-07ea-42b3-8ec5-9a39dcd6eb83@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #703554 |
Odd “that IS the picture of what the electron is doing. ” So why, pray tell, does attophysics find that the electron has a period?
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2018-09-19 23:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pnumoq$25l$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #703557 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >Odd >"that IS the picture of what the electron is doing. " >So why, pray tell, does attophysics find that the electron has a period? Because you have completely misinterpreted whatever it was you read when you concluded the electron has a period.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-09-19 17:25 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <a5c6327f-ae5e-4ac4-b672-5cc25991786e@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #703560 |
MM “Because you have completely misinterpreted whatever it was you read when you concluded the electron has a period. ” Hahaha. You and Odd. They just ‘quiver’? And in gold- they ‘quiver’ at relativistic speeds? Hahahahaha
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-09-20 00:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pnuqfg$ul5$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #703571 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > MM > “Because you have completely misinterpreted whatever it was you read when > you concluded the electron has a period. ” > > Hahaha. > You and Odd. > They just ‘quiver’? Who said that, besides you? 10000 ways to guess wrong. Read, and there’s no guessing involved. > And in gold- they ‘quiver’ at relativistic speeds? > Hahahahaha > -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-09-19 18:41 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <724ac640-cfd6-4265-a297-31f7e45215a0@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #703573 |
Hermes From the Emerald Tablet Second line: “That which is below is like that which is above & that which is above is like that which is below to do the miracles of one only thing” Sure sounds like galaxies are atoms to me. (This is Isaac Newton’s translation.) Nothing about plancks or quantum foam! :/
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-09-20 14:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <po0b7p$1dkm$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #703579 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > Hermes > From the Emerald Tablet > Second line: > “That which is below is like that which is above & that which is above is > like that which is below to do the miracles of one only thing” > > Sure sounds like galaxies are atoms to me. > (This is Isaac Newton’s translation.) > > Nothing about plancks or quantum foam! :/ > Thales, from about the same era you are quoting from, also believed that the fundamental entity out of which all existence stemmed, was water. He stated that the earth floated on an infinitely deep pool of water. His Miletan disciples included Anaximenes, who believed instead the the fundamental entity was air. So if this is your referential repository of truth.... -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-09-20 14:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <po0bvp$1evb$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #703641 |
Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> wrote: > john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: >> Hermes >> From the Emerald Tablet >> Second line: >> “That which is below is like that which is above & that which is above is >> like that which is below to do the miracles of one only thing” >> >> Sure sounds like galaxies are atoms to me. >> (This is Isaac Newton’s translation.) >> >> Nothing about plancks or quantum foam! :/ >> > > Thales, from about the same era you are quoting from, also believed that > the fundamental entity out of which all existence stemmed, was water. He > stated that the earth floated on an infinitely deep pool of water. His > Miletan disciples included Anaximenes, who believed instead the the > fundamental entity was air. > > So if this is your referential repository of truth.... > Newton, by the way, was fascinated by alchemy, which is why he bothered to translate this text. I take it that you believe that a really old book on alchemy is the secret of future science. -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-09-20 08:05 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <26b205d8-a1a4-4616-9959-7cad131ceb79@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #703645 |
Odd “Thales, from about the same era you are quoting from, also believed that ” There are idiots in every era- take you, for instance
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