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Fractal radiations

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First post2018-09-15 14:55 -0700
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  Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-15 14:55 -0700
    Re: Fractal radiations Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-15 21:57 +0000
      Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-15 15:23 -0700
    Re: Fractal radiations moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-16 01:40 +0000
      Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-16 06:28 -0700
        Re: Fractal radiations moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-16 15:24 +0000
    Re: Fractal radiations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-16 02:33 +0000
      Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-16 05:59 -0700
        Re: Fractal radiations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-16 13:14 +0000
          Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-16 07:50 -0700
            Re: Fractal radiations moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-16 15:31 +0000
              Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-16 09:09 -0700
            Re: Fractal radiations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-16 19:23 +0000
              Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-16 12:29 -0700
                Re: Fractal radiations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-16 19:35 +0000
                  Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 05:47 -0700
                    Re: Fractal radiations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 12:59 +0000
                      Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 06:16 -0700
                        Re: Fractal radiations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 16:43 +0000
                        Re: Fractal radiations moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-17 16:50 +0000
                          Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 11:34 -0700
                            Re: Fractal radiations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 18:38 +0000
                              Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 12:05 -0700
                                Re: Fractal radiations Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-09-17 14:17 -0500
                                  Re: Fractal radiations benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 15:53 -0400
                                    Re: Fractal radiations Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-09-17 18:01 -0500
                                      Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 16:03 -0700
                                        Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 16:08 -0700
                                          Re: Fractal radiations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 23:22 +0000
                                            Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 18:59 -0700
                                              Re: Fractal radiations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 02:40 +0000
                                                Re: Fractal radiations Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-09-18 11:29 -0500
                                                  Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 09:44 -0700
                                                    Re: Fractal radiations "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-09-18 14:08 -0700
                                                      Re: Fractal radiations "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-09-18 14:10 -0700
                                                  Re: Fractal radiations benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 18:08 -0400
                                              Re: Fractal radiations moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-18 17:18 +0000
                                                Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 10:22 -0700
                                                  Re: Fractal radiations moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-18 18:03 +0000
                                                    Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 11:57 -0700
                                                      Re: Fractal radiations moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-18 19:17 +0000
                                                        Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 13:12 -0700
                                        Re: Fractal radiations Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-09-17 18:09 -0500
                                Re: Fractal radiations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 21:24 +0000
                                  Re: Fractal radiations "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-09-17 15:07 -0700
                                    Re: Fractal radiations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 22:16 +0000
                                      Re: Fractal radiations "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-09-17 15:22 -0700
                                        Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 15:27 -0700
                                          Re: Fractal radiations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 23:16 +0000
                                        Re: Fractal radiations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 22:27 +0000
                                          Re: Fractal radiations "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-09-17 15:38 -0700
                                            Re: Fractal radiations "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-09-17 21:28 -0700
                                              Re: Fractal radiations "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-09-18 14:11 -0700
                                                Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 14:28 -0700
                                                  Re: Fractal radiations "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-09-18 15:54 -0700
                            Re: Fractal radiations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 02:42 +0000
                              Re: Fractal radiations Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-09-17 22:42 -0500
                                Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 05:47 -0700
                                  Re: Fractal radiations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 12:49 +0000
                                    Re: Fractal radiations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 13:06 +0000
                                      Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 06:23 -0700
                                        Re: Fractal radiations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 14:30 +0000
                                          Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 08:14 -0700
                                            Re: Fractal radiations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 16:22 +0000
                                          Re: Fractal radiations benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 18:24 -0400
                                  Re: Fractal radiations moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-18 17:17 +0000
                                  Re: Fractal radiations pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-09-18 21:06 -0700
                                    Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-19 06:58 -0700
                                    Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-19 08:50 -0700
                                      Re: Fractal radiations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-19 17:12 +0000
                                        Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-19 12:46 -0700
                                          Re: Fractal radiations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-19 22:22 +0000
                                            Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-19 16:14 -0700
                                              Re: Fractal radiations moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-19 23:40 +0000
                                                Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-19 17:25 -0700
                                                  Re: Fractal radiations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-20 00:43 +0000
                                                    Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-19 18:41 -0700
                                                      Re: Fractal radiations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-20 14:35 +0000
                                                        Re: Fractal radiations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-20 14:48 +0000
                                                          Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-20 08:05 -0700
                                                            Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-20 08:24 -0700
                                                              Re: Fractal radiations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-20 22:14 +0000
                                                                Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-20 17:10 -0700
                                                                  Re: Fractal radiations pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-09-20 17:55 -0700
                                                                    Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-20 18:09 -0700
                                                                      Re: Fractal radiations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 03:33 +0000
                                                      Re: Fractal radiations moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-20 15:42 +0000
                                                        Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-20 09:09 -0700
                                                          Re: Fractal radiations moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-20 16:59 +0000
                                                            Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 06:19 -0700
                                                              Re: Fractal radiations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 14:55 +0000
                                                                Re: Fractal radiations john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 08:23 -0700
                                                                  Re: Fractal radiations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 16:09 +0000
                                              Re: Fractal radiations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-20 00:43 +0000
                    Re: Fractal radiations moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-17 16:47 +0000
    Re: Fractal radiations Mutt Buncher <invalid@example.com> - 2018-09-19 08:07 -0700
      Re: Fractal radiations benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-09-19 12:26 -0400
    Re: Fractal radiations "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-09-19 23:54 -0700
    Re: Fractal radiations "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-09-20 09:34 -0700

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#703377

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-09-18 19:17 +0000
Message-ID<pnrj17$np4$2@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#703374
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>MM
>"Do charges need ropes, to"

>I've explained gravity to you lots- can't remember?

I was asking about charges there, not gravity. You can't remember the
sentence you just read a half second ago?

Can you explain both attractive and repulsive electric charges? With or
without little ropes and push rods.  And just who was it who whispered the
truth in your ear?

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#703392

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-18 13:12 -0700
Message-ID<f76d4008-d74a-4a00-8c65-2d98205e2c0b@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#703377
MM
“charges? With or 
without little ro”
Already done

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#703238

FromSergio <invalid@invalid.com>
Date2018-09-17 18:09 -0500
Message-ID<pnpc75$30b$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#703235
On 9/17/2018 6:03 PM, john wrote:
> Galaxies are made from atoms
> 

I think  you have to put in the marble stage, "galaxies are made from
marbles, and marbles are made from atoms."

na, that's not going to work.

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#703215

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-17 21:24 +0000
Message-ID<pnp62e$1p5m$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#703173
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> “Magnify the edge of the fern leaf, dummy. The fractal is the fern leaf 
> EDGE. This means looking at the fern leaf EDGE at any scale, dummy. ”
> Well, it’s the ENTIRE ATOM that is identical to the ENTIRE GALAXY, fool.
> What is your problem?
> 

That’s your claim. 

But in the fractal world, natural examples include fern leaf edges and
shorelines and lightning strikes and romanesco broccoli. Notice that there
is self similarity at ANY scale. 

Now if you would like to say the same thing is true for a whole galaxy,
zoom into a galaxy by a factor of a thousand and show me that it looks
similar to what it did before the zoom. Go ahead. 

If you can’t, I suggest that you invent a new term called Seftonese scaling
to describe similarity only at scales separated by thirty orders of
magnitude. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#703221

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid>
Date2018-09-17 15:07 -0700
Message-ID<pnp8jo$caq$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#703215
On 9/17/2018 2:24 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Odd
>> “Magnify the edge of the fern leaf, dummy. The fractal is the fern leaf
>> EDGE. This means looking at the fern leaf EDGE at any scale, dummy. ”
>> Well, it’s the ENTIRE ATOM that is identical to the ENTIRE GALAXY, fool.
>> What is your problem?
>>
> 
> That’s your claim.
> 
> But in the fractal world, natural examples include fern leaf edges and
> shorelines and lightning strikes and romanesco broccoli. Notice that there
> is self similarity at ANY scale.
> 
> Now if you would like to say the same thing is true for a whole galaxy,
> zoom into a galaxy by a factor of a thousand and show me that it looks
> similar to what it did before the zoom. Go ahead.

Imvvvho, things can "sound" fractal in nature.

A universe can contain clusters upon clusters of galaxies.

A cluster of galaxies contains galaxies.

A galaxy contains stars.

Stars can own some planets in orbit.

Planets can own intelligent life.

Intelligent Life can own individual unique thoughts.

The number of thoughts can be virtually limitless.

Zoom down into virtually any form on say, Earth, and we can see fractals.

Can there be fractional units of distance between two Planck pixels, or 
voxels if you will?


> 
> If you can’t, I suggest that you invent a new term called Seftonese scaling
> to describe similarity only at scales separated by thirty orders of
> magnitude.
> 

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#703225

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-17 22:16 +0000
Message-ID<pnp94r$1u5n$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#703221
Chris M. Thomasson <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 9/17/2018 2:24 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Odd
>>> “Magnify the edge of the fern leaf, dummy. The fractal is the fern leaf
>>> EDGE. This means looking at the fern leaf EDGE at any scale, dummy. ”
>>> Well, it’s the ENTIRE ATOM that is identical to the ENTIRE GALAXY, fool.
>>> What is your problem?
>>> 
>> 
>> That’s your claim.
>> 
>> But in the fractal world, natural examples include fern leaf edges and
>> shorelines and lightning strikes and romanesco broccoli. Notice that there
>> is self similarity at ANY scale.
>> 
>> Now if you would like to say the same thing is true for a whole galaxy,
>> zoom into a galaxy by a factor of a thousand and show me that it looks
>> similar to what it did before the zoom. Go ahead.
> 
> Imvvvho, things can "sound" fractal in nature.

A chain of “contains” does not constitute fractal. 
Self similarity of structure is the key element. 

For example, galaxies contain stars. But no one in their right mind would
say that a galaxy and a star are similar. 

> 
> A universe can contain clusters upon clusters of galaxies.
> 
> A cluster of galaxies contains galaxies.
> 
> A galaxy contains stars.
> 
> Stars can own some planets in orbit.
> 
> Planets can own intelligent life.
> 
> Intelligent Life can own individual unique thoughts.
> 
> The number of thoughts can be virtually limitless.
> 
> Zoom down into virtually any form on say, Earth, and we can see fractals.
> 
> Can there be fractional units of distance between two Planck pixels, or 
> voxels if you will?
> 
> 
>> 
>> If you can’t, I suggest that you invent a new term called Seftonese scaling
>> to describe similarity only at scales separated by thirty orders of
>> magnitude.
>> 
> 
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#703227

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid>
Date2018-09-17 15:22 -0700
Message-ID<pnp9f6$h34$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#703225
On 9/17/2018 3:16 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> Chris M. Thomasson <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 9/17/2018 2:24 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Odd
>>>> “Magnify the edge of the fern leaf, dummy. The fractal is the fern leaf
>>>> EDGE. This means looking at the fern leaf EDGE at any scale, dummy. ”
>>>> Well, it’s the ENTIRE ATOM that is identical to the ENTIRE GALAXY, fool.
>>>> What is your problem?
>>>>
>>>
>>> That’s your claim.
>>>
>>> But in the fractal world, natural examples include fern leaf edges and
>>> shorelines and lightning strikes and romanesco broccoli. Notice that there
>>> is self similarity at ANY scale.
>>>
>>> Now if you would like to say the same thing is true for a whole galaxy,
>>> zoom into a galaxy by a factor of a thousand and show me that it looks
>>> similar to what it did before the zoom. Go ahead.
>>
>> Imvvvho, things can "sound" fractal in nature.
> 
> A chain of “contains” does not constitute fractal.
> Self similarity of structure is the key element.
> 
> For example, galaxies contain stars. But no one in their right mind would
> say that a galaxy and a star are similar.

Perhaps stars that go hyper nova and form a black hole that goes on a 
feeding frenzy can help form an overall galaxy. So, they are very close 
friends because they help each other.

The stars in a galaxy are orbiting the central super massive black hole, 
or radical source of gravity. The planets are orbiting the star. Afaict, 
there is a "similarity", in a sense of a sense...


> 
>>
>> A universe can contain clusters upon clusters of galaxies.
>>
>> A cluster of galaxies contains galaxies.
>>
>> A galaxy contains stars.
>>
>> Stars can own some planets in orbit.
>>
>> Planets can own intelligent life.
>>
>> Intelligent Life can own individual unique thoughts.
>>
>> The number of thoughts can be virtually limitless.
>>
>> Zoom down into virtually any form on say, Earth, and we can see fractals.
>>
>> Can there be fractional units of distance between two Planck pixels, or
>> voxels if you will?
>>
>>
>>>
>>> If you can’t, I suggest that you invent a new term called Seftonese scaling
>>> to describe similarity only at scales separated by thirty orders of
>>> magnitude.
>>>
>>
>>
> 
> 
> 

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#703228

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-17 15:27 -0700
Message-ID<17c8ef29-869a-4d4a-a59a-e3e6ec10ad59@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#703227
Galaxies are made of atoms.
That is the only possible base unit.
This they are made from self-similar forms.

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#703241

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-17 23:16 +0000
Message-ID<pnpckj$3pl$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#703228
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Galaxies are made of atoms.
> That is the only possible base unit.
> This they are made from self-similar forms.
> 

Completely ignoring what fractal means. Self similar at ALL scales. 

What the hell does a “base unit” have to do with fractals? 

Oh never mind, you don’t care. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#703229

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-17 22:27 +0000
Message-ID<pnp9oh$1v30$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#703227
Chris M. Thomasson <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 9/17/2018 3:16 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> Chris M. Thomasson <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 9/17/2018 2:24 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Odd
>>>>> “Magnify the edge of the fern leaf, dummy. The fractal is the fern leaf
>>>>> EDGE. This means looking at the fern leaf EDGE at any scale, dummy. ”
>>>>> Well, it’s the ENTIRE ATOM that is identical to the ENTIRE GALAXY, fool.
>>>>> What is your problem?
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> That’s your claim.
>>>> 
>>>> But in the fractal world, natural examples include fern leaf edges and
>>>> shorelines and lightning strikes and romanesco broccoli. Notice that there
>>>> is self similarity at ANY scale.
>>>> 
>>>> Now if you would like to say the same thing is true for a whole galaxy,
>>>> zoom into a galaxy by a factor of a thousand and show me that it looks
>>>> similar to what it did before the zoom. Go ahead.
>>> 
>>> Imvvvho, things can "sound" fractal in nature.
>> 
>> A chain of “contains” does not constitute fractal.
>> Self similarity of structure is the key element.
>> 
>> For example, galaxies contain stars. But no one in their right mind would
>> say that a galaxy and a star are similar.
> 
> Perhaps stars that go hyper nova and form a black hole that goes on a 
> feeding frenzy can help form an overall galaxy. So, they are very close 
> friends because they help each other.
> 
> The stars in a galaxy are orbiting the central super massive black hole, 
> or radical source of gravity. The planets are orbiting the star. Afaict, 
> there is a "similarity", in a sense of a sense...

In the same sense of a sense that a chair is similar to a potato b

> 
> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> A universe can contain clusters upon clusters of galaxies.
>>> 
>>> A cluster of galaxies contains galaxies.
>>> 
>>> A galaxy contains stars.
>>> 
>>> Stars can own some planets in orbit.
>>> 
>>> Planets can own intelligent life.
>>> 
>>> Intelligent Life can own individual unique thoughts.
>>> 
>>> The number of thoughts can be virtually limitless.
>>> 
>>> Zoom down into virtually any form on say, Earth, and we can see fractals.
>>> 
>>> Can there be fractional units of distance between two Planck pixels, or
>>> voxels if you will?
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> If you can’t, I suggest that you invent a new term called Seftonese scaling
>>>> to describe similarity only at scales separated by thirty orders of
>>>> magnitude.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#703230

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid>
Date2018-09-17 15:38 -0700
Message-ID<pnpacv$l70$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#703229
On 9/17/2018 3:27 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> Chris M. Thomasson <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 9/17/2018 3:16 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>> Chris M. Thomasson <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 9/17/2018 2:24 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Odd
>>>>>> “Magnify the edge of the fern leaf, dummy. The fractal is the fern leaf
>>>>>> EDGE. This means looking at the fern leaf EDGE at any scale, dummy. ”
>>>>>> Well, it’s the ENTIRE ATOM that is identical to the ENTIRE GALAXY, fool.
>>>>>> What is your problem?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That’s your claim.
>>>>>
>>>>> But in the fractal world, natural examples include fern leaf edges and
>>>>> shorelines and lightning strikes and romanesco broccoli. Notice that there
>>>>> is self similarity at ANY scale.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now if you would like to say the same thing is true for a whole galaxy,
>>>>> zoom into a galaxy by a factor of a thousand and show me that it looks
>>>>> similar to what it did before the zoom. Go ahead.
>>>>
>>>> Imvvvho, things can "sound" fractal in nature.
>>>
>>> A chain of “contains” does not constitute fractal.
>>> Self similarity of structure is the key element.
>>>
>>> For example, galaxies contain stars. But no one in their right mind would
>>> say that a galaxy and a star are similar.
>>
>> Perhaps stars that go hyper nova and form a black hole that goes on a
>> feeding frenzy can help form an overall galaxy. So, they are very close
>> friends because they help each other.
>>
>> The stars in a galaxy are orbiting the central super massive black hole,
>> or radical source of gravity. The planets are orbiting the star. Afaict,
>> there is a "similarity", in a sense of a sense...
> 
> In the same sense of a sense that a chair is similar to a potato b

A is orbiting B, that is orbiting C which is orbiting D... Well, that 
seems a bit self similar in behavior.


> 
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> A universe can contain clusters upon clusters of galaxies.
>>>>
>>>> A cluster of galaxies contains galaxies.
>>>>
>>>> A galaxy contains stars.
>>>>
>>>> Stars can own some planets in orbit.
>>>>
>>>> Planets can own intelligent life.
>>>>
>>>> Intelligent Life can own individual unique thoughts.
>>>>
>>>> The number of thoughts can be virtually limitless.
>>>>
>>>> Zoom down into virtually any form on say, Earth, and we can see fractals.
>>>>
>>>> Can there be fractional units of distance between two Planck pixels, or
>>>> voxels if you will?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you can’t, I suggest that you invent a new term called Seftonese scaling
>>>>> to describe similarity only at scales separated by thirty orders of
>>>>> magnitude.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
> 
> 
> 

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#703276

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid>
Date2018-09-17 21:28 -0700
Message-ID<pnpusu$dqv$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#703230
On 9/17/2018 3:38 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 9/17/2018 3:27 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> Chris M. Thomasson <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 9/17/2018 3:16 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> Chris M. Thomasson <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On 9/17/2018 2:24 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Odd
>>>>>>> “Magnify the edge of the fern leaf, dummy. The fractal is the 
>>>>>>> fern leaf
>>>>>>> EDGE. This means looking at the fern leaf EDGE at any scale, 
>>>>>>> dummy. ”
>>>>>>> Well, it’s the ENTIRE ATOM that is identical to the ENTIRE 
>>>>>>> GALAXY, fool.
>>>>>>> What is your problem?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That’s your claim.
[...]

Can there be fractional units of distance between two Planck pixels, or 
voxels if you will?

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#703401

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid>
Date2018-09-18 14:11 -0700
Message-ID<pnrpmd$huc$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#703276
On 9/17/2018 9:28 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 9/17/2018 3:38 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> On 9/17/2018 3:27 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>> Chris M. Thomasson <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 9/17/2018 3:16 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/17/2018 2:24 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Odd
>>>>>>>> “Magnify the edge of the fern leaf, dummy. The fractal is the 
>>>>>>>> fern leaf
>>>>>>>> EDGE. This means looking at the fern leaf EDGE at any scale, 
>>>>>>>> dummy. ”
>>>>>>>> Well, it’s the ENTIRE ATOM that is identical to the ENTIRE 
>>>>>>>> GALAXY, fool.
>>>>>>>> What is your problem?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That’s your claim.
> [...]
> 
> Can there be fractional units of distance between two Planck pixels, or 
> voxels if you will?
> 

Is there such thing as a Planck voxel? Or is it all 2d?

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#703403

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-18 14:28 -0700
Message-ID<a16d8450-a561-41cd-a7d4-1259bb6fdef0@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#703401
Chris
“

Is there such thing as a Planck voxel? Or is it all 2d?”

You mean a little spherical “smallest”?
Between Odd’s ears- it’s his brain.

No ‘smallest’ because smaller is smaller

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#703427

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid>
Date2018-09-18 15:54 -0700
Message-ID<pnrvnu$luo$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#703403
On 9/18/2018 2:28 PM, john wrote:
> Chris
> “
> 
> Is there such thing as a Planck voxel? Or is it all 2d?”
> 
> You mean a little spherical “smallest”?

In my "insignificant" terms, a Planck cube would be a voxel. Afaict, 
even a Planck pixel, a square, would have fractional measurements within 
itself.

> Between Odd’s ears- it’s his brain.
> 
> No ‘smallest’ because smaller is smaller
> 

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#703263

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-18 02:42 +0000
Message-ID<pnpon9$jj9$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#703160
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> MM
> “Well you did say (and emphasize) "at ANY magnification", but even for you 
> it only works at one scale, 1:10^31, so we can eliminate that definition.   ”
> 
> Not at ALL magnifications, dummy.
> The middle of the fern leaf looks nothing like the edge.

That’s not a different magnification, dummy. That’s a different place. 

> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#703269

FromSergio <invalid@invalid.com>
Date2018-09-17 22:42 -0500
Message-ID<pnps72$nlm$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#703263
On 9/17/2018 9:42 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
>> MM
>> “Well you did say (and emphasize) "at ANY magnification", but even for you 
>> it only works at one scale, 1:10^31, so we can eliminate that definition.   ”
>>
>> Not at ALL magnifications, dummy.
>> The middle of the fern leaf looks nothing like the edge.
> 
> That’s not a different magnification, dummy. That’s a different place. 


that could be the problem john has, what is magnification ?

   wider or smaller angular dispersion,

how close you are with your microscope, or telescope

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#703309

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-18 05:47 -0700
Message-ID<9dfae5dc-7c62-4343-a6d7-391288169e0e@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#703269
Sergio
“
that could be the problem john has, what is magnification ? 

   wider or smaller angular dispersion, 

how close you are with your microscope, or telescope “

Well, if you magnify your Atom so it’s as big as a galaxy,
then they are identical.
How’s that?
Can Odd’s tiny brain comprehend that?

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#703310

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-18 12:49 +0000
Message-ID<pnqs9a$cnb$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#703309
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sergio
> “
> that could be the problem john has, what is magnification ? 
> 
>    wider or smaller angular dispersion, 
> 
> how close you are with your microscope, or telescope “
> 
> Well, if you magnify your Atom so it’s as big as a galaxy,
> then they are identical.
> How’s that?
> Can Odd’s tiny brain comprehend that?
> 

Still not a fractal, John.
Can you comprehend that? Or is that pretty word too hard to let go of?

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#703312

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-18 13:06 +0000
Message-ID<pnqt9g$efm$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#703310
Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> wrote:
> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Sergio
>> “
>> that could be the problem john has, what is magnification ? 
>> 
>> wider or smaller angular dispersion, 
>> 
>> how close you are with your microscope, or telescope “
>> 
>> Well, if you magnify your Atom so it’s as big as a galaxy,
>> then they are identical.
>> How’s that?
>> Can Odd’s tiny brain comprehend that?
>> 
> 
> Still not a fractal, John.
> Can you comprehend that? Or is that pretty word too hard to let go of?
> 

I think the point to make clear to you, John, is that it’s bad enough that
the idea is factually wrong. But worse than that, you don’t know enough
physics to know why it has to be wrong, and even when presented with little
things like conservation of angular momentum, you just double down as
though none of that matters. And what’s even worse than that, you use words
to describe your idea like “fractal” because they are cool-sounding, even
though you don’t actually know what the terms mean. 

Your chief complaint against science is that you believe that if it’s
gobbledygook to the uneducated common man then it’s gobbledygook, period.
Second, that if science were right then it would have solved all the
world’s problems by now. 

So you you want to play too, and you pretend to do science the way you wish
it were, all very simple and visual, and gosh, precessing atoms might well
free the world from plastics, because saying “gee whiz” will make it so. 

You have the mindset and attitudes of an eleven-year-old boy, John, when it
comes to science. Might as well just stick to consuming Doc Savage pulp
novels. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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