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  Why are atoms discs? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 08:01 -0700
    Re: Why are atoms discs? poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-09-05 08:21 -0700
      Re: Why are atoms discs? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 08:29 -0700
        Re: Why are atoms discs? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-05 16:25 +0000
          Re: Why are atoms discs? poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-09-05 10:36 -0700
            Re: Why are atoms discs? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 22:43 -0700
              Re: Why are atoms discs? poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-09-06 03:54 -0700
      Re: Why are atoms discs? Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2018-09-06 15:13 -0700
    Re: Why are atoms discs? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-05 16:15 +0000
    Re: Why are atoms discs? Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-09-05 11:29 -0500
      Re: Why are atoms discs? benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 13:22 -0400
        Re: Why are atoms discs? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-09-05 10:34 -0700
          Re: Why are atoms discs? Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-09-06 08:03 -0500
            Re: Why are atoms discs? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 06:30 -0700
            Re: Why are atoms discs? benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 10:47 -0400
              Re: Why are atoms discs? Jishnu Kaiwar <jishnukaiwar@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 20:24 +0530
                Re: Why are atoms discs? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 12:43 -0700
                Re: Why are atoms discs? poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-09-07 02:33 -0700
              Re: Why are atoms discs? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 12:42 -0700
            Re: Why are atoms discs? poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-09-07 02:22 -0700
    Re: Why are atoms discs? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 09:52 -0700

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#701206 — Why are atoms discs?

Because when electrons turn at speed, they create a magnetic field at right-angles to their turn. This is the basis for your turning signal on your car, which uses windings (turns). Subsequent electrons fall in with that turn- creating a disc-  because I’m doing so, they create the same field. This is why all the windings in your turn signal are in the same plane.
Electrons will stay as far apart as possible on the disc.This separation is reduced by down electrons being placed in-between- they have opposite spin and actually attract their neighboring up electrons

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#701207

On Wednesday, September 5, 2018 at 6:01:20 PM UTC+3, john wrote:
> Because when electrons turn at speed, they create a magnetic field at right-angles to their turn. This is the basis for your turning signal on your car, which uses windings (turns). Subsequent electrons fall in with that turn- creating a disc-  because I’m doing so, they create the same field. This is why all the windings in your turn signal are in the same plane.
> Electrons will stay as far apart as possible on the disc.This separation is reduced by down electrons being placed in-between- they have opposite spin and actually attract their neighboring up electrons
===========================
because they are not discs   !!!
see
http://sites.google.com/site/theyporatmodel/an-abstract
==
ATB
Y.P
==========================

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#701209

Porat
“because they are not discs   !!! ”
Whatever.
Whip whatever  around a central fixed point at .3c and it’ll be a disc. Your chain, whatever.

The shape of the electron cloud of 50 billion points of perpetual fusion depends on its circumstances. Within an atom, it is spiraled around a central point because of its speed and flattened because of the magnetic field that it creates- ergo, usually a disc, unless the atom is going through some reaction

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#701217

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Porat
>"because they are not discs   !!! "
>Whatever.

Porat is correct, you know, even if correct for the wrong reason.

There are a zillion web sites that show the shapes of orbitals and the
shapes of atoms with those orbitals. You choose to ignore them and let
your spinny thing OCD tell you what the shape of atoms is.

You still have never offered an explanation of all the violated laws of
physics that would take place if atoms really did get all retarded and
became precessing spinny disks. Because you can't explain that.

>Whip whatever  around a central fixed point at .3c and it'll be a disc. 
>Your chain, whatever.

Once again, you are trying to impose macroscopic events on the quantum
microscopic world. It just doesn't work. The rules are (very!) different.

Now quit smoking that bad shit from "Little Pharma". It will fry your 
brain worse than it already is.

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#701229

On Wednesday, September 5, 2018 at 7:25:47 PM UTC+3, Michael Moroney wrote:
> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> >Porat
> >"because they are not discs   !!! "
> >Whatever.
> 
> Porat is correct, you know, even if correct for the wrong reason.
> 
> There are a zillion web sites that show the shapes of orbitals and the
> shapes of atoms with those orbitals. You choose to ignore them and let
> your spinny thing OCD tell you what the shape of atoms is.
> 
> You still have never offered an explanation of all the violated laws of
> physics that would take place if atoms really did get all retarded and
> became precessing spinny disks. Because you can't explain that.
> 
> >Whip whatever  around a central fixed point at .3c and it'll be a disc. 
> >Your chain, whatever.
> 
> Once again, you are trying to impose macroscopic events on the quantum
> microscopic world. It just doesn't work. The rules are (very!) different.
> 
>=====================
Thank you Moroney !!
===============
Y.P
================

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#701321

MM
“Once again, you are trying to impose macroscopic events on the quantum 
> microscopic world. It just doesn't work. The rules are (very!) different. ”

Yes that’s what QM says.
Attophysics is a second opinion

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#701335

On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 8:43:53 AM UTC+3, john wrote:
> MM
> “Once again, you are trying to impose macroscopic events on the quantum 
> > microscopic world. It just doesn't work. The rules are (very!) different. ”
> 
> Yes that’s what QM says.
> Attophysics is a second opinion

==========================
but QM 
is far from 'getting to the bottom' = 
'last word' of  knowledge about 
structure of matter

and force -energy knowledge  

and that is why it is not 
'the last word'about
ie about 
how it* could/should   be in use for making better 
our everyday life 
====
TIA
Y.P
=======================
 

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#701429

On Wednesday, September 5, 2018 at 8:21:40 AM UTC-7, pora...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 5, 2018 at 6:01:20 PM UTC+3, john wrote:
> > Because when electrons turn at speed, they create a magnetic field at right-angles to their turn. This is the basis for your turning signal on your car, which uses windings (turns). Subsequent electrons fall in with that turn- creating a disc-  because I’m doing so, they create the same field. This is why all the windings in your turn signal are in the same plane.
> > Electrons will stay as far apart as possible on the disc.This separation is reduced by down electrons being placed in-between- they have opposite spin and actually attract their neighboring up electrons
> ===========================
> because they are not discs   !!!
> see
> http://sites.google.com/site/theyporatmodel/an-abstract
> ==
> ATB
> Y.P
> ==========================


You are correct, sir.

Double-A

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#701214

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

> Subject: Re: Why are atoms discs?

That makes as much sense as a subject of "Why is the sky yellow?"

The answer is simply, "Because atoms are not disks." Period. Science has
evidence, such as X-ray crystallography and how they bond with each other,
of the real shape of atoms. The simplest example, an isolated hydrogen
atom, has spherical symmetry, it appears the same from any direction,
unlike a disk.

It looks like you had a bad relapse of retarded spinny thing OCD. Did you
smoke some really bad shit from "Little Pharma" again?

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#701219

On 9/5/2018 10:01 AM, john wrote:
> Because when electrons turn at speed, they create a magnetic field at right-angles to their turn. This is the basis for your turning signal on your car, which uses windings (turns). Subsequent electrons fall in with that turn- creating a disc-  because I’m doing so, they create the same field. This is why all the windings in your turn signal are in the same plane.
> Electrons will stay as far apart as possible on the disc.This separation is reduced by down electrons being placed in-between- they have opposite spin and actually attract their neighboring up electrons
> 


if atoms are disks,

 they have a hole in the middle,

    like very tiny tiny doughnuts.

        they can still spin that way too.

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#701226

On 9/5/2018 12:29 PM, Sergio wrote:
> On 9/5/2018 10:01 AM, john wrote:
>> Because when electrons turn at speed, they create a magnetic field at right-angles to their turn. This is the basis for your turning signal on your car, which uses windings (turns). Subsequent electrons fall in with that turn- creating a disc-  because I’m doing so, they create the same field. This is why all the windings in your turn signal are in the same plane.
>> Electrons will stay as far apart as possible on the disc.This separation is reduced by down electrons being placed in-between- they have opposite spin and actually attract their neighboring up electrons
>>
> 
> 
> if atoms are disks,
> 
>   they have a hole in the middle,
> 
>      like very tiny tiny doughnuts.
> 
>          they can still spin that way too.
> 
Electrons are doughnuts and spinning electrons are the basis of the turn 
signals on your car?  This is some kind of science? I think I need to go 
back to school.

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#701227

On Wednesday, September 5, 2018 at 10:22:16 AM UTC-7, benj wrote:
> On 9/5/2018 12:29 PM, Sergio wrote:
> > On 9/5/2018 10:01 AM, john wrote:
> >> Because when electrons turn at speed, they create a magnetic field at right-angles to their turn. This is the basis for your turning signal on your car, which uses windings (turns). Subsequent electrons fall in with that turn- creating a disc-  because I’m doing so, they create the same field. This is why all the windings in your turn signal are in the same plane.
> >> Electrons will stay as far apart as possible on the disc.This separation is reduced by down electrons being placed in-between- they have opposite spin and actually attract their neighboring up electrons
> >>
> > 
> > 
> > if atoms are disks,
> > 
> >   they have a hole in the middle,
> > 
> >      like very tiny tiny doughnuts.
> > 
> >          they can still spin that way too.
> > 
> Electrons are doughnuts and spinning electrons are the basis of the turn 
> signals on your car?  This is some kind of science? I think I need to go 
> back to school.

atoms are tiny spheres...

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#701338

On 9/5/2018 12:34 PM, mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 5, 2018 at 10:22:16 AM UTC-7, benj wrote:
>> On 9/5/2018 12:29 PM, Sergio wrote:
>>> On 9/5/2018 10:01 AM, john wrote:
>>>> Because when electrons turn at speed, they create a magnetic field at right-angles to their turn. This is the basis for your turning signal on your car, which uses windings (turns). Subsequent electrons fall in with that turn- creating a disc-  because I’m doing so, they create the same field. This is why all the windings in your turn signal are in the same plane.
>>>> Electrons will stay as far apart as possible on the disc.This separation is reduced by down electrons being placed in-between- they have opposite spin and actually attract their neighboring up electrons
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> if atoms are disks,
>>>
>>>   they have a hole in the middle,
>>>
>>>      like very tiny tiny doughnuts.
>>>
>>>          they can still spin that way too.
>>>
>> Electrons are doughnuts and spinning electrons are the basis of the turn 
>> signals on your car?  This is some kind of science? I think I need to go 
>> back to school.
> 
> atoms are tiny spheres...
> 

   there are pictures out on the internet of atoms, they are round

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#701341

Sergio
“there are pictures out on the internet of atoms, they are round ”
So are ‘disc’ galaxies- they have spherical bodies of gas and a spherical halo

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#701351

On 9/6/2018 9:03 AM, Sergio wrote:
> On 9/5/2018 12:34 PM, mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Wednesday, September 5, 2018 at 10:22:16 AM UTC-7, benj wrote:
>>> On 9/5/2018 12:29 PM, Sergio wrote:
>>>> On 9/5/2018 10:01 AM, john wrote:
>>>>> Because when electrons turn at speed, they create a magnetic field at right-angles to their turn. This is the basis for your turning signal on your car, which uses windings (turns). Subsequent electrons fall in with that turn- creating a disc-  because I’m doing so, they create the same field. This is why all the windings in your turn signal are in the same plane.
>>>>> Electrons will stay as far apart as possible on the disc.This separation is reduced by down electrons being placed in-between- they have opposite spin and actually attract their neighboring up electrons
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> if atoms are disks,
>>>>
>>>>    they have a hole in the middle,
>>>>
>>>>       like very tiny tiny doughnuts.
>>>>
>>>>           they can still spin that way too.
>>>>
>>> Electrons are doughnuts and spinning electrons are the basis of the turn
>>> signals on your car?  This is some kind of science? I think I need to go
>>> back to school.
>>
>> atoms are tiny spheres...
>>
> 
>     there are pictures out on the internet of atoms, they are round
> 
orbitals of atoms come in many shapes.

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#701354

benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> writes:


> orbitals of atoms come in many shapes.

Yes and the electrons don't strictly revolve in orbits. Depending on the
number of electrons in the outermost shell the atoms shape can differ.
Orbitals are the ‘space’ around the atom that you are most likely to
find the electron. In the case of hydrogen the outermost orbital is 1s,
which has a spherical shape. Other atoms have other shapes e.g. dumbbell
shaped etc.

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#701394

Here- I’m half done Helium
See how the central disc of electrons turns together?
https://www.facebook.com/478430759170202/posts/730614067285202/

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#701524

On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 5:54:30 PM UTC+3, Jishnu Kaiwar wrote:
> benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> 
> > orbitals of atoms come in many shapes.
> 
> Yes and the electrons don't strictly revolve in orbits.
=================

of  course and exactly !!
the Bohr model 
is long ago -   dead !! 
not even in high heavy toms !!
and to your surprise :

the number of electrons  ''around' the nuc
is not the number  of protons!

some of the protons in the nuc
lost their electric charge 
in inner connections of the nuc !!

see
Google
the y Porat model 
=
TIA
Y.P
====================

   


Depending on the
> number of electrons in the outermost shell the atoms shape can differ.
> Orbitals are the ‘space’ around the atom that you are most likely to
> find the electron. In the case of hydrogen the outermost orbital is 1s,
> which has a spherical shape. Other atoms have other shapes e.g. dumbbell
> shaped etc.

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#701392

benj
“orbitals of atoms come in many shapes. ”
Of course, benj
But INSTANTANEOUSLY, all accelerating electrons prefer to share the same plane of acceleration so their fields don’t fight.
Fields are real, have personalities, and will fight if crossed

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#701523

On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 4:03:38 PM UTC+3, Sergio wrote:
> On 9/5/2018 12:34 PM, mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, September 5, 2018 at 10:22:16 AM UTC-7, benj wrote:
> >> On 9/5/2018 12:29 PM, Sergio wrote:
> >>> On 9/5/2018 10:01 AM, john wrote:
> >>>> Because when electrons turn at speed, they create a magnetic field at right-angles to their turn. This is the basis for your turning signal on your car, which uses windings (turns). Subsequent electrons fall in with that turn- creating a disc-  because I’m doing so, they create the same field. This is why all the windings in your turn signal are in the same plane.
> >>>> Electrons will stay as far apart as possible on the disc.This separation is reduced by down electrons being placed in-between- they have opposite spin and actually attract their neighboring up electrons
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> if atoms are disks,
> >>>
> >>>   they have a hole in the middle,
> >>>
> >>>      like very tiny tiny doughnuts.
> >>>
> >>>          they can still spin that way too.
> >>>
> >> Electrons are doughnuts and spinning electrons are the basis of the turn 
> >> signals on your car?  This is some kind of science? I think I need to go 
> >> back to school.
> > 
> > atoms are tiny spheres...
> > 
> 
>    there are pictures out on the internet of atoms, they are round
================
just thak it in your understanding 
that if a particle is rotating fast
it looks 'round' 
======
TIA
Y.P
==================

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