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Black holes are out in principle

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First post2018-08-21 19:45 -0700
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  Black holes are out in principle mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-08-21 19:45 -0700
    Re: Black holes are out in principle "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 20:28 -0700
      Re: Black holes are out in principle mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-08-21 20:32 -0700
      Re: Black holes are out in principle mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-08-21 20:33 -0700
        Re: Black holes are out in principle mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-08-21 22:14 -0700
      Re: Black holes are out in principle Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2018-08-23 16:35 -0700
        Re: Black holes are out in principle mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-08-23 17:54 -0700
        Re: Black holes are out in principle "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-08-24 10:25 -0700
          Re: Black holes are out in principle mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-08-24 13:02 -0700
          Re: Black holes are out in principle Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2018-08-24 14:10 -0700
            Re: Black holes are out in principle mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-08-24 14:11 -0700
            Re: Black holes are out in principle "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-08-28 10:56 -0700
              Re: Black holes are out in principle "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-08-28 13:48 -0700
                Re: Black holes are out in principle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-28 14:06 -0700
                  Re: Black holes are out in principle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-28 21:36 +0000
                    Re: Black holes are out in principle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-28 16:00 -0700
                      Re: Black holes are out in principle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-28 16:14 -0700
              Re: Black holes are out in principle Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2018-08-28 15:05 -0700
          Re: Black holes are out in principle "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-08-24 14:30 -0700
            Re: Black holes are out in principle mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-08-25 18:02 -0700
              Re: Black holes are out in principle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-26 07:25 -0700
              Re: Black holes are out in principle mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-08-26 15:36 -0700
                Re: Black holes are out in principle moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-08-27 03:48 +0000
                  Re: Black holes are out in principle mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-08-26 20:58 -0700
                    Re: Black holes are out in principle moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-08-27 04:22 +0000
                      Re: Black holes are out in principle mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-08-26 21:28 -0700
                  Re: Black holes are out in principle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-27 08:57 -0700
                    Re: Black holes are out in principle moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-08-27 16:21 +0000
                      Re: Black holes are out in principle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-27 09:42 -0700
                        Re: Black holes are out in principle moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-08-27 18:14 +0000
                          Re: Black holes are out in principle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-27 11:25 -0700
                            Re: Black holes are out in principle moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-08-27 18:46 +0000
                              Re: Black holes are out in principle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-27 12:07 -0700
                                Re: Black holes are out in principle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-27 19:27 +0000
                                  Re: Black holes are out in principle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-27 14:26 -0700
                                    Re: Black holes are out in principle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-27 14:31 -0700
                                      Re: Black holes are out in principle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-27 14:40 -0700
                                        Re: Black holes are out in principle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-27 22:20 +0000
                                          Re: Black holes are out in principle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-27 17:03 -0700
                                            Re: Black holes are out in principle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-27 17:11 -0700
                                              Re: Black holes are out in principle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-28 01:29 +0000
                                                Re: Black holes are out in principle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-28 05:15 -0700
                                                  Re: Black holes are out in principle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-28 13:12 +0000
                                                    Re: Black holes are out in principle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-28 06:18 -0700
                                                      Re: Black holes are out in principle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-28 13:40 +0000
                                                    Re: Black holes are out in principle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-28 06:20 -0700
                                                      Re: Black holes are out in principle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-28 06:30 -0700
                                                        Re: Black holes are out in principle moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-08-28 17:47 +0000
                                                      Re: Black holes are out in principle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-28 13:40 +0000
                                                        Re: Black holes are out in principle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-28 06:54 -0700
                                                          Re: Black holes are out in principle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-28 14:58 +0000
                                                            Re: Black holes are out in principle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-28 10:09 -0700
                                                              Re: Black holes are out in principle moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-08-28 17:51 +0000
                                                              Re: Black holes are out in principle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-28 20:27 +0000
                                                  Re: Black holes are out in principle moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-08-28 17:44 +0000
                                                    Re: Black holes are out in principle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-28 11:12 -0700
                                                      Re: Black holes are out in principle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-28 11:51 -0700

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#700032

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-08-26 07:25 -0700
Message-ID<8115a640-4378-4421-9c8b-427a8eb5cd6c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#699982
mitch 
“theory. We are seeing 
something else... 
”
Yes it is turning Space at the center of galaxies which absorbs Light and neutrinos because it turns at c.

Black Holes are a fictional critter that should have alerted us to the FACT that Suck Gravity is wrong, but so many smart people are avoiding Science, now, that it is full of people like Odd and MM-       Not-smart people

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#700067

Frommitchrae3323@gmail.com
Date2018-08-26 15:36 -0700
Message-ID<ca14909c-8968-4915-ba40-1dbc997dd287@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#699982
On Saturday, August 25, 2018 at 6:02:53 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> Black hole gravity infinite curve singularity would
> end space time. How can the end of space time keep
> moving through space time?
> 
> Drop off gravity strength happens in a black hole...?
> This also eliminates black hole theory. We are seeing
> something else...
> 
> Mitchell Raemsch

How can the end of space time move?

Mitchell Raemsch

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#700103

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-08-27 03:48 +0000
Message-ID<plvsa4$fb6$4@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#700067
mitchrae3323@gmail.com writes:

>On Saturday, August 25, 2018 at 6:02:53 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Black hole gravity infinite curve singularity would
>> end space time. How can the end of space time keep
>> moving through space time?
>> 
>> Drop off gravity strength happens in a black hole...?
>> This also eliminates black hole theory. We are seeing
>> something else...
>> 
>> Mitchell Raemsch

>How can the end of space time move?

That's just John babbling nonsense. John thinks nothing can spin. By that
I don't mean "nothing can spin" means that things can't spin, he literally
thinks that a chunk of nothing (empty space, literally nothing) can spin,
and this chunk of nothing can do things to non-nothing matter.
No proof or evidence, of course.

So you have competition as to who can toss the best word salad.

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#700104

Frommitchrae3323@gmail.com
Date2018-08-26 20:58 -0700
Message-ID<c130bd84-d4a8-4910-97cb-d33e9cb11b8b@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#700103
On Sunday, August 26, 2018 at 8:48:24 PM UTC-7, Michael Moroney wrote:
> mitchrae3323@gmail.com writes:
> 
> >On Saturday, August 25, 2018 at 6:02:53 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Black hole gravity infinite curve singularity would
> >> end space time. How can the end of space time keep
> >> moving through space time?
> >> 
> >> Drop off gravity strength happens in a black hole...?
> >> This also eliminates black hole theory. We are seeing
> >> something else...
> >> 
> >> Mitchell Raemsch
> 
> >How can the end of space time move?
> 
> That's just John babbling nonsense. John thinks nothing can spin. By that
> I don't mean "nothing can spin" means that things can't spin, he literally
> thinks that a chunk of nothing (empty space, literally nothing) can spin,
> and this chunk of nothing can do things to non-nothing matter.
> No proof or evidence, of course.
> 
> So you have competition as to who can toss the best word salad.

Gravity can't make singularities.
The strength of gravity is limited...
to below the speed of light...

Mitchell Raemsch

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#700105

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-08-27 04:22 +0000
Message-ID<plvuaa$sib$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#700104
mitchrae3323@gmail.com writes:

>Gravity can't make singularities.
>The strength of gravity is limited...
>to below the speed of light...

That makes no sense. Strength is not speed.

And just because you don't understand a theory doesn't mean the theory is 
wrong. It just means you have more to learn before you understand it.

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#700106

Frommitchrae3323@gmail.com
Date2018-08-26 21:28 -0700
Message-ID<d89d4371-34cc-41de-8bb6-f7554af13caa@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#700105
On Sunday, August 26, 2018 at 9:22:38 PM UTC-7, Michael Moroney wrote:
> mitchrae3323@gmail.com writes:
> 
> >Gravity can't make singularities.
> >The strength of gravity is limited...
> >to below the speed of light...
> 
> That makes no sense. Strength is not speed.

Sure it is. Gravity cannot push speed to light speed.

> 
> And just because you don't understand a theory doesn't mean the theory is 
> wrong. 

No. It is wrong in the case of singularities.
Do you understand them Moronee?

Mitchell Raemsch

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#700129

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-08-27 08:57 -0700
Message-ID<aec75932-cfea-45f6-a8e9-d08c32d4b7f6@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#700103
MM
“empty space, literally nothing) can spin, ”
NO such THING as NOTHING, Michael.
Even YOU have SOME smarts. Why don’t you try using them?
If Space has properties, and those properties are different from place to place, then your nothing over here is DIFFERENT from your nothing over there, Michael.
NOTHING =/ NOTHING?

Cool

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#700133

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-08-27 16:21 +0000
Message-ID<pm18ds$lm3$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#700129
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>MM
>"empty space, literally nothing) can spin, "
>NO such THING as NOTHING, Michael.

So you claim, never with evidence.

>If Space has properties, and those properties are different from place to 
>place, then your nothing over here is DIFFERENT from your nothing over 
>there, Michael.

Perhaps it's different because one of the nothings is not nothing. For
example, a black hole has loads of mass in it, definitely NOT nothing! So
yes, a black hole WILL be very different from a region of (truly) empty 
space!

>NOTHING =/ NOTHING?

>Cool

Only in John's fantasy world.

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#700138

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-08-27 09:42 -0700
Message-ID<fdc87b0f-db8f-4a34-b5d5-5286a5e23480@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#700133
MM
“Perhaps it's different because one of the nothings is not nothing. For ”
There’s NEVER nothing, Michael.
Did you like my new S orbital?
Here’s a link- I rotated it 22.5 degrees to get it on-axis:
 https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2128164747443356&set=gm.559038064514719&type=3
 Sorry it’s a Facebook link- my new phone rejects my old computer

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#700154

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-08-27 18:14 +0000
Message-ID<pm1f1t$q4t$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#700138
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>MM
>"Perhaps it's different because one of the nothings is not nothing.
> For "
>There's NEVER nothing, Michael.

Again, So you claim, never with evidence.

(Assertions are not evidence, John)

>Did you like my new S orbital?
>Here's a link- I rotated it 22.5 degrees to get it on-axis:

I already know it's wrong, without even having to look at all!
S orbitals are spherically symmetrical. If you rotated it at all, and
it's different from before the rotation, then obviously it does not have
spherical symmetry, and therefore must be wrong!

You didn't learn from your methane attempt. All 4 of the carbon bonds are
perfectly identical in methane, and there is no way to do that if the
central carbon is rotating relative to the bonds.

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#700156

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-08-27 11:25 -0700
Message-ID<2fe77886-a390-483d-b810-1cd9b91f211f@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#700154
MM
“already know it's wrong, without even having to look at all! 
S orbitals are spherically symmetrical. I”
Let’s look at this:
you are saying that in H and He, the electrons are distributed exactly spherically, always?
How would that happen, Michael? So if ANYTHING moves, that is no longer true?
:)

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#700157

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-08-27 18:46 +0000
Message-ID<pm1gu9$glj$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#700156
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>you are saying that in H and He, the electrons are distributed exactly 
>spherically, always?

In the isolated unbonded atom, yes.

>How would that happen, Michael?

Because that is the solution of the Schrodinger wave equation for the 1s
orbital.

> So if ANYTHING moves, that is no longer true?

I assume this comment arises from your habit of thinking of the electron
as being a little ball/thing orbiting the nucleus like a planet orbiting
the sun. Oh and precessing, your OCD will insist on that.

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#700162

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-08-27 12:07 -0700
Message-ID<b41f2345-a67d-4eb1-8561-7f8aae7c4dfe@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#700157
MM
“Because that is the solution of the Schrodinger wave equation for the 1s 
orbital. ”
And is this another of your math fantasies that you can’t point to ONE visible example in reality? Yes.

There are a few organisms that are spherically-symmetric- it means you can cut them in two halves anywhere and get two equal halves.
What you are talking about only exist in math- you know, like singularities.
Too bad ur scared to look at the link- I’m getting breakthroughs because of it.

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#700163

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-08-27 19:27 +0000
Message-ID<pm1jab$1vgt$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#700162
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> MM
> “Because that is the solution of the Schrodinger wave equation for the 1s 
> orbital. ”
> And is this another of your math fantasies that you can’t point to ONE
> visible example in reality? Yes.

You are saying that reality for you consists of visible things? Can you see
polystyrene molecules? Are they reality? 

> 
> There are a few organisms that are spherically-symmetric- it means you
> can cut them in two halves anywhere and get two equal halves.

That’s not what spherically symmetric means. At all. 

> What you are talking about only exist in math- you know, like singularities.
> Too bad ur scared to look at the link- I’m getting breakthroughs because of it.
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#700170

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-08-27 14:26 -0700
Message-ID<f7468122-e425-4589-940e-38cfd8485f1a@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#700163
Odd
“That’s not what spherically symmetric means. At all. 

> What you are talking about only exist in math- you know, like singularities, and probabilities generated by numbers in the 10^23 range

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#700171

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-08-27 14:31 -0700
Message-ID<0c16907e-0eee-4c45-9f82-549096809f8a@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#700170
Odd
“That’s not what spherically symmetric means. At all. 

> What you are talking about only exist in math- you know, like singularities. ”

After many, many runs.

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#700172

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-08-27 14:40 -0700
Message-ID<40852e22-69b1-4222-9931-78c48c5f072c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#700171
Odd
You’re so lost in mathworld

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#700176

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-08-27 22:20 +0000
Message-ID<pm1tfp$h84$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#700172
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> You’re so lost in mathworld
> 

That’s adorable. People who know what spherically symmetric are list in
mathworld, and you’re in the real world because you can’t figure out what
it means. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#700186

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-08-27 17:03 -0700
Message-ID<b7bfbe3a-435e-4987-b21a-d166a4395890@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#700176
Odd
“you’re in the real world because you can’t figure out what 
it means. ”
I know you can approach it if you plot enough Schroedinger dots.
In theory you can have your type of perfect spherical symmetry.
But you need lotta lotta dots, and you’ll get as close to it as you can get to infinity

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#700187

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-08-27 17:11 -0700
Message-ID<ec4222a0-90c8-473c-bd3d-ee7f0cce273b@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#700186
Odd
But in YOUR world, your ‘fundamental particle’ separates into as many little bits as is needed to make a perfectly spherical shell, right?
And then none of them go anywhere (what do you call them- ‘shell-ums’?- but none of them go anywhere, they just have kinetic energy. Is that right?
And then when there are TWO electrons, that just goes double. Right?
I love your science, Odd.

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