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#699299 — Re: Do we have evidence that gravitation waves are faster than light ??

From	poraty149@gmail.com
Date	2018-08-19 23:26 -0700
Subject	Re: Do we have evidence that gravitation waves are faster than light ??
Message-ID	<bb8b2fa1-a871-4a7e-b1bf-2d3a54745ab9@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#699297

On Monday, August 20, 2018 at 8:33:30 AM UTC+3, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 6:22:20 AM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> > <poraty149@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 2:35:28 PM UTC+3, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> > >  ok
> > > let my ask it a the opposite  way :
> > > 
> > >  do we have evidence that
> > > gravitation  waves
> > > move
> > > slower than c ?
> > 
> > No. 
> > 
> > We do have clear evidence that gravity waves arrive here at the same time
> > as optical signals from the same astronomical event. 
> > 
> > > ==TIA
> > > Y.P
> 
> If gravitational waves had no speed limit, 
> the event arriving with the light from the 
> event, would just be the rebound as the lattice 
> of space equilibriated itself.
> 
> You can look to van Flandern and since Laplace 
> who have "gravity's speed" as at least 10^6 times c.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parameterized_post-Newtonian_formalism
> 
> Gravity always points at the object or source, 
> not the image.  At any instant, the vector 
> of the field of force of gravity is on a line 
> connecting the centers of any two massy bodies.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_gravity
> 
> 
> "In 1998 Van Flandern wrote a paper[37] asserting that 
> astronomical observations imply that gravity propagates 
> at least twenty billion times faster than light, or even 
> infinitely fast.
==============================
if you say 
faster than light i could understand it 
even 3.14/2  faster !

why 3.14/2
i have some reason for it 
3.14 is the length of a circle 
compared to its diameter of that circle 
my guess  (for now about a guess )
see
http://sites.google.com/site/theyporatmodel/an-abstract
==
Y/P
=================



 These claims were dismissed by mainstream 
> physicists.[38][39]"
>   -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Van_Flandern#Le_Sage's_theory_of_gravitation_and_the_speed_of_gravity

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#699301 — Re: Do we have evidence that gravitation waves are faster than light ??

From	"Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com>
Date	2018-08-20 00:05 -0700
Subject	Re: Do we have evidence that gravitation waves are faster than light ??
Message-ID	<a7a7bf6b-447e-4582-aadf-1fba80f6ce98@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#699299

On Sunday, August 19, 2018 at 11:26:35 PM UTC-7, pora...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, August 20, 2018 at 8:33:30 AM UTC+3, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 6:22:20 AM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> > > <poraty149@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 2:35:28 PM UTC+3, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> > > >  ok
> > > > let my ask it a the opposite  way :
> > > > 
> > > >  do we have evidence that
> > > > gravitation  waves
> > > > move
> > > > slower than c ?
> > > 
> > > No. 
> > > 
> > > We do have clear evidence that gravity waves arrive here at the same time
> > > as optical signals from the same astronomical event. 
> > > 
> > > > ==TIA
> > > > Y.P
> > 
> > If gravitational waves had no speed limit, 
> > the event arriving with the light from the 
> > event, would just be the rebound as the lattice 
> > of space equilibriated itself.
> > 
> > You can look to van Flandern and since Laplace 
> > who have "gravity's speed" as at least 10^6 times c.
> > 
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parameterized_post-Newtonian_formalism
> > 
> > Gravity always points at the object or source, 
> > not the image.  At any instant, the vector 
> > of the field of force of gravity is on a line 
> > connecting the centers of any two massy bodies.
> > 
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_gravity
> > 
> > 
> > "In 1998 Van Flandern wrote a paper[37] asserting that 
> > astronomical observations imply that gravity propagates 
> > at least twenty billion times faster than light, or even 
> > infinitely fast.
> ==============================
> if you say 
> faster than light i could understand it 
> even 3.14/2  faster !
> 
> why 3.14/2
> i have some reason for it 
> 3.14 is the length of a circle 
> compared to its diameter of that circle 
> my guess  (for now about a guess )
> see
> http://sites.google.com/site/theyporatmodel/an-abstract
> ==
> Y/P
> =================
> 
> 
> 
>  These claims were dismissed by mainstream 
> > physicists.[38][39]"
> >   -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Van_Flandern#Le_Sage's_theory_of_gravitation_and_the_speed_of_gravity


It seems like van Flandern's paper was still the time 
when General Relativity was derived from Special 
Relativity but these days SR is "local" and GR is stood 
up as "relativity".  General Relativity these days is 
whatever leaves light speed invariant, a constant, 
and the speed limit of all propagation (and not 
just light's speed in vacuum, establishing terms 
of length or distance in space in time, just like an 
aether).  

http://ldolphin.org/vanFlandern/gravityspeed.html

"Indeed, it is widely accepted, even if less widely known, 
that the speed of gravity in Newton's Universal Law is 
unconditionally infinite."

"This is usually not mentioned in proximity to the statement 
that GR reduces to Newtonian gravity in the low-velocity, weak-
field limit because of the obvious question it begs about how 
that can be true if the propagation speed in one model is the 
speed of light, and in the other model it is infinite."


So, Porat, you can start with Newton's theory, and 
there is direct scientific evidence that "gravity's 
speed" is not "not infinite" for quite most the 
Solar System then about particular cases with 
extra dynamics like Mercury's precession, the 
well-known example that was used to validate 
relativity, though these days has seen some re-
thinking and exploration of other phenomena 
as well.

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#699304 — Re: Do we have evidence that gravitation waves are faster than light ??

From	poraty149@gmail.com
Date	2018-08-20 03:26 -0700
Subject	Re: Do we have evidence that gravitation waves are faster than light ??
Message-ID	<7eb4f8cc-b8c1-429c-a841-1d461ff7cce8@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#699301

On Monday, August 20, 2018 at 10:05:08 AM UTC+3, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> On Sunday, August 19, 2018 at 11:26:35 PM UTC-7, pora...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, August 20, 2018 at 8:33:30 AM UTC+3, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > > On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 6:22:20 AM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> > > > <poraty149@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 2:35:28 PM UTC+3, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> > > > >  ok
> > > > > let my ask it a the opposite  way :
> > > > > 
> > > > >  do we have evidence that
> > > > > gravitation  waves
> > > > > move
> > > > > slower than c ?
> > > > 
> > > > No. 
> > > > 
> > > > We do have clear evidence that gravity waves arrive here at the same time
> > > > as optical signals from the same astronomical event. 
> > > > 
> > > > > ==TIA
> > > > > Y.P
> > > 
> > > If gravitational waves had no speed limit, 
> > > the event arriving with the light from the 
> > > event, would just be the rebound as the lattice 
> > > of space equilibriated itself.
> > > 
> > > You can look to van Flandern and since Laplace 
> > > who have "gravity's speed" as at least 10^6 times c.
> > > 
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parameterized_post-Newtonian_formalism
> > > 
> > > Gravity always points at the object or source, 
> > > not the image.  At any instant, the vector 
> > > of the field of force of gravity is on a line 
> > > connecting the centers of any two massy bodies.
> > > 
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_gravity
> > > 
> > > 
> > > "In 1998 Van Flandern wrote a paper[37] asserting that 
> > > astronomical observations imply that gravity propagates 
> > > at least twenty billion times faster than light, or even 
> > > infinitely fast.
> > ==============================
> > if you say 
> > faster than light i could understand it 
> > even 3.14/2  faster !
> > 
> > why 3.14/2
> > i have some reason for it 
> > 3.14 is the length of a circle 
> > compared to its diameter of that circle 
> > my guess  (for now about a guess )
> > see
> > http://sites.google.com/site/theyporatmodel/an-abstract
> > ==
> > Y/P
> > =================
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  These claims were dismissed by mainstream 
> > > physicists.[38][39]"
> > >   -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Van_Flandern#Le_Sage's_theory_of_gravitation_and_the_speed_of_gravity
> 
> 
> It seems like van Flandern's paper was still the time 
> when General Relativity was derived from Special 
> Relativity but these days SR is "local" and GR is stood 
> up as "relativity".  General Relativity these days is 
> whatever leaves light speed invariant, a constant, 
> and the speed limit of all propagation (and not 
> just light's speed in vacuum, establishing terms 
> of length or distance in space in time, just like an 
> aether).  
> 
> http://ldolphin.org/vanFlandern/gravityspeed.html
> 
> "Indeed, it is widely accepted, even if less widely known, 
> that the speed of gravity in Newton's Universal Law is 
> unconditionally infinite."
> 
> "This is usually not mentioned in proximity to the statement 
> that GR reduces to Newtonian gravity in the low-velocity, weak-
> field limit because of the obvious question it begs about how 
> that can be true if the propagation speed in one model is the 
> speed of light, and in the other model it is infinite."
> 
> 
> So, Porat, you can start with Newton's theory, and 
> there is direct scientific evidence that "gravity's 
> speed" is not "not infinite" for quite most the 
> Solar System then about particular cases with 
> extra dynamics like Mercury's precession, the 
> well-known example that was used to validate 
> relativity, though these days has seen some re-
> thinking and exploration of other phenomena 
> as well.
======================
 i  suggested an exact figure 
ie 
velocity of light is as known c
yet velocity  in particle constration 
i suggested  a bit less than c     !! !!
because in  light helix   is making a bit longer way 
comlocated ??surprising ??
makes sense ? compatible  common reason between
1

matter building
and
2 
light wave traveling  by the** same**sub particle ????!!!
====================

TIA
Y.Porat
==================

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#699305 — Re: Do we have evidence that gravitation waves are faster than light ??

From	poraty149@gmail.com
Date	2018-08-20 03:31 -0700
Subject	Re: Do we have evidence that gravitation waves are faster than light ??
Message-ID	<54604fb7-20fe-4eaa-a4d2-4633d9a7972e@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#699304

On Monday, August 20, 2018 at 1:26:57 PM UTC+3, pora...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, August 20, 2018 at 10:05:08 AM UTC+3, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > On Sunday, August 19, 2018 at 11:26:35 PM UTC-7, pora...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Monday, August 20, 2018 at 8:33:30 AM UTC+3, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > > > On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 6:22:20 AM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> > > > > <poraty149@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 2:35:28 PM UTC+3, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> > > > > >  ok
> > > > > > let my ask it a the opposite  way :
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >  do we have evidence that
> > > > > > gravitation  waves
> > > > > > move
> > > > > > slower than c ?
> > > > > 
> > > > > No. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > We do have clear evidence that gravity waves arrive here at the same time
> > > > > as optical signals from the same astronomical event. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > ==TIA
> > > > > > Y.P
> > > > 
> > > > If gravitational waves had no speed limit, 
> > > > the event arriving with the light from the 
> > > > event, would just be the rebound as the lattice 
> > > > of space equilibriated itself.
> > > > 
> > > > You can look to van Flandern and since Laplace 
> > > > who have "gravity's speed" as at least 10^6 times c.
> > > > 
> > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parameterized_post-Newtonian_formalism
> > > > 
> > > > Gravity always points at the object or source, 
> > > > not the image.  At any instant, the vector 
> > > > of the field of force of gravity is on a line 
> > > > connecting the centers of any two massy bodies.
> > > > 
> > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_gravity
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > "In 1998 Van Flandern wrote a paper[37] asserting that 
> > > > astronomical observations imply that gravity propagates 
> > > > at least twenty billion times faster than light, or even 
> > > > infinitely fast.
> > > ==============================
> > > if you say 
> > > faster than light i could understand it 
> > > even 3.14/2  faster !
> > > 
> > > why 3.14/2
> > > i have some reason for it 
> > > 3.14 is the length of a circle 
> > > compared to its diameter of that circle 
> > > my guess  (for now about a guess )
> > > see
> > > http://sites.google.com/site/theyporatmodel/an-abstract
> > > ==
> > > Y/P
> > > =================
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  These claims were dismissed by mainstream 
> > > > physicists.[38][39]"
> > > >   -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Van_Flandern#Le_Sage's_theory_of_gravitation_and_the_speed_of_gravity
> > 
> > 
> > It seems like van Flandern's paper was still the time 
> > when General Relativity was derived from Special 
> > Relativity but these days SR is "local" and GR is stood 
> > up as "relativity".  General Relativity these days is 
> > whatever leaves light speed invariant, a constant, 
> > and the speed limit of all propagation (and not 
> > just light's speed in vacuum, establishing terms 
> > of length or distance in space in time, just like an 
> > aether).  
> > 
> > http://ldolphin.org/vanFlandern/gravityspeed.html
> > 
> > "Indeed, it is widely accepted, even if less widely known, 
> > that the speed of gravity in Newton's Universal Law is 
> > unconditionally infinite."
> > 
> > "This is usually not mentioned in proximity to the statement 
> > that GR reduces to Newtonian gravity in the low-velocity, weak-
> > field limit because of the obvious question it begs about how 
> > that can be true if the propagation speed in one model is the 
> > speed of light, and in the other model it is infinite."
> > 
> > 
> > So, Porat, you can start with Newton's theory, and 
> > there is direct scientific evidence that "gravity's 
> > speed" is not "not infinite" for quite most the 
> > Solar System then about particular cases with 
> > extra dynamics like Mercury's precession, the 
> > well-known example that was used to validate 
> > relativity, though these days has seen some re-
> > thinking and exploration of other phenomena 
> > as well.
> ======================
>  i  suggested an exact figure 
> ie 
> velocity of light is as known c
> yet velocity  in particle constration 
> i suggested  a bit less than c     !! !!
> because in  light helix   is making a bit longer way 
> comlocated ??surprising ??
> makes sense ? compatible  common reason between
> 1
> 
> matter building
> and
> 2 
> light wave traveling  by the** same**sub particle ????!!!
> ====================
> 
> TIA
> Y.Porat
> ==================

is it compatible to what is given in your link ??
TIA
Y.Porat
====================

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#698931 — Re: Do we have evidence that gravitation waves are faster than light ??

From	Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com>
Date	2018-08-17 10:59 -0700
Subject	Re: Do we have evidence that gravitation waves are faster than light ??
Message-ID	<2d2e81d8-b56c-4bce-98f5-3f1ea2093aa1@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#698849

On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 7:25:04 AM UTC-4, pora...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 1:00:05 PM UTC+3, Sylvia Else wrote:
> > On 17/08/2018 7:50 PM, poraty149@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Do we have evidence - that gravitational waves
> > > are faster than light ??
> > > 
> > > TIA
> > > Y.Porat
> > > =====================
> > > 
> > 
> > No.
> ====
> 
> do you say that from memory ?
> 2
> another way to ask 
> 
> are there proves that
> gravitation  waves move exactly
> with  the velocity of c ?? 
> ====
> TIA
> Y.P
> ================

That is not another way to ask the first question.
Than is a totally different question.

At best there is evidence. LIGO observations make
that assumption and it seems to work. At least it
is consistent with observed data. There is of course
the theoretical argument that no information can
travel faster than light. between the two (data
and theory), there seems a lot of support for
the answer of  No.

Enjoy,
  Ed

Ed

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#698863

From	Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com>
Date	2018-08-17 07:43 -0700
Message-ID	<494cf0d2-555d-48be-9bde-1220761774e8@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#698842

What is the medium that supports gravitational wave motion assuming such waves exist?

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#698865

From	poraty149@gmail.com
Date	2018-08-17 07:57 -0700
Message-ID	<21927aaa-321b-4bdd-8181-21345829257b@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#698863

On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 5:44:02 PM UTC+3, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> What is the medium that supports gravitational wave motion assuming such waves exist?

=========
we can assume 
it is recycled !!!!
or else
the emitting  mass
should be depleted !!!

and if recycled 
see for instance a suggestion as 

the Y Circlon mechanism'
at the appendix of my site 
=====

TIA
Y.POrat
==================

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#698872 — Re: Do we have evidence that gravitation waves are faster than light ??

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date	2018-08-17 15:44 +0000
Subject	Re: Do we have evidence that gravitation waves are faster than light ??
Message-ID	<pl6qgh$sul$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to	#698863

Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
> What is the medium that supports gravitational wave motion assuming such waves exist?
> 

No need to assume. They’ve been detected repeatedly. Anyone who dismisses a
confirmed observation as “impossible” is living in denial. 

Spacetime is the medium. Please note that the analysis of the properties of
spacetime is what led to the prediction of gravitational waves in the first
place. So when you have a theory that predicts the existence of a
phenomenon that wasn’t previously expected, and then you go look for the
phenomenon, and it’s in fact there in exactly the form predicted, then you
can be very confident that the concept that led to the prediction was
right. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#698876 — Re: Do we have evidence that gravitation waves are faster than light ??

From	poraty149@gmail.com
Date	2018-08-17 08:54 -0700
Subject	Re: Do we have evidence that gravitation waves are faster than light ??
Message-ID	<2fc975b4-f516-4e77-bae2-dbe495c4c759@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#698872

On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 6:44:21 PM UTC+3, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
> > What is the medium that supports gravitational wave motion assuming such waves exist?
> > 
> 
> No need to assume. They’ve been detected repeatedly. Anyone who dismisses a
> confirmed observation as “impossible” is living in denial. 
> 
> Spacetime is the medium. Please note that the analysis of the properties of
> spacetime is what led to the prediction of gravitational waves in the first
> place. So when you have a theory that predicts the existence of a
> phenomenon that wasn’t previously expected, and then you go look for the
> phenomenon, and it’s in fact there in exactly the form predicted, then you
> can be very confident that the concept that led to the prediction was
> right. 
> 
> -- 
> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
==========================
curvature of space time
is 
idiotic !!

it has no physics tools for
ACTION !!
space has no properties
no physics tools - nothing !
it is all in mass *!!
actually from mass to mass 
must be
 
a recycling process can be
only from mass t o   another mass !

OR ELSE
THOSE MASSES WILL BE DEPLEATD   !
==
TIA
Y.Porat
======================

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#698878 — Re: Do we have evidence that gravitation waves are faster than light ??

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date	2018-08-17 16:00 +0000
Subject	Re: Do we have evidence that gravitation waves are faster than light ??
Message-ID	<pl6rea$ukb$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to	#698876

<poraty149@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 6:44:21 PM UTC+3, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> What is the medium that supports gravitational wave motion assuming such waves exist?
>>> 
>> 
>> No need to assume. Theyve been detected repeatedly. Anyone who dismisses a
>> confirmed observation as impossible is living in denial. 
>> 
>> Spacetime is the medium. Please note that the analysis of the properties of
>> spacetime is what led to the prediction of gravitational waves in the first
>> place. So when you have a theory that predicts the existence of a
>> phenomenon that wasnt previously expected, and then you go look for the
>> phenomenon, and its in fact there in exactly the form predicted, then you
>> can be very confident that the concept that led to the prediction was
>> right. 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Odd Bodkin  Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> =========================curvature of space time
> is 
> idiotic !!
> 
> it has no physics tools for
> ACTION !!

What on earth do you mean by “physics tools”?

> space has no properties
> no physics tools - nothing !

And we’ve discussed this. That’s an assumption you make that is just flat
wrong. Space does have properties and no amount of you bellowing
“Impossible!!” will change that. 

> it is all in mass *!!
> actually from mass to mass 
> must be
>  
> a recycling process can be
> only from mass t o   another mass !
> 
> OR ELSE
> THOSE MASSES WILL BE DEPLEATD   !
> =TIA
> Y.Porat
> =====================
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#698884 — Re: Do we have evidence that gravitation waves are faster than light ??

From	poraty149@gmail.com
Date	2018-08-17 09:37 -0700
Subject	Re: Do we have evidence that gravitation waves are faster than light ??
Message-ID	<8d021c6e-cc84-46e5-99ff-6b2231d64a51@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#698878

On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 7:00:15 PM UTC+3, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> <poraty149@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 6:44:21 PM UTC+3, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >> Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> What is the medium that supports gravitational wave motion assuming such waves exist?
> >>> 
> >> 
> >> No need to assume. They ve been detected repeatedly. Anyone who dismisses a
> >> confirmed observation as  impossible  is living in denial. 

==================
there might be observations
now the problem is in 
interpretations of those !!
> >> 
> >> Spacetime is the medium. Please note that the analysis of the properties of
> >> spacetime is what led to the prediction of gravitational waves in the first

there might  be situations 
in which you make a wrong explantion
to  facts that could have 
a few interpretations !!!
and accidentally you fit explanations to facts
ina reverse process
ie
first you shoot and then move the target 
to the hit point ...

> >> place. So when you have a theory that predicts the existence of a
> >> phenomenon that wasn t previously expected, and then you go look for the
> >> phenomenon, and it s in fact there in exactly the form predicted, then you
> >> can be very confident that the concept that led to the prediction was
> >> right.

--
the f en curved space does not explain 
how involved  masses is not depleted  !!!

we are dealing for instance
with  planets that are in mutual gravity

ALONG MANY BILLIONS !! OF YEARS !!
AND NOT GETTING DEPLETED FROM   MASS 
f en curved space  
cannot explain 
how the  involved masses 
are not depeeted from  their masses 
> >> 
> >> -- 
> >> Odd Bodkin   Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
======
i can understand why  you and other crocks  are so angry 
just go on
and sell your too  precious*** toys**!!  
that make your and others  business people 
too reach   
================= 
 
TIA
Y.Porat
================
>
> > it has no physics tools for
> > ACTION !!
> 
> What on earth do you mean by “physics tools”?
> 
> > space has no properties
> > no physics tools - nothing !
> 
>  
> 
> > it is all in mass *!!
> > actually from mass to mass 
> > must be
> >  
> > a recycling process can be
> > only from mass t o   another mass !
> > 
> > OR ELSE
> > THOSE MASSES WILL BE DEPLEATD   !
> > =TIA
> > Y.Porat
> > =====================
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#698892 — Re: Do we have evidence that gravitation waves are faster than light ??

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date	2018-08-17 17:01 +0000
Subject	Re: Do we have evidence that gravitation waves are faster than light ??
Message-ID	<pl6v22$155c$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to	#698884

<poraty149@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 7:00:15 PM UTC+3, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> <poraty149@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 6:44:21 PM UTC+3, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> What is the medium that supports gravitational wave motion assuming such waves exist?
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> No need to assume. They ve been detected repeatedly. Anyone who dismisses a
>>>> confirmed observation as  impossible  is living in denial. 
> 
> =================there might be observations
> now the problem is in 
> interpretations of those !!
>>>> 
>>>> Spacetime is the medium. Please note that the analysis of the properties of
>>>> spacetime is what led to the prediction of gravitational waves in the first
> 
> there might  be situations 
> in which you make a wrong explantion
> to  facts that could have 
> a few interpretations !!!
> and accidentally you fit explanations to facts
> ina reverse process
> ie
> first you shoot and then move the target 
> to the hit point ...
> 
>>>> place. So when you have a theory that predicts the existence of a
>>>> phenomenon that wasn t previously expected, and then you go look for the
>>>> phenomenon, and it s in fact there in exactly the form predicted, then you
>>>> can be very confident that the concept that led to the prediction was
>>>> right.
> 
> --
> the f en curved space does not explain 
> how involved  masses is not depleted  !!!

They are. Catch up. 

A Nobel prize was awarded for measuring the depletion from gravitational
waves. 

It’s small, by the way. 

> 
> we are dealing for instance
> with  planets that are in mutual gravity
> 
> ALONG MANY BILLIONS !! OF YEARS !!
> AND NOT GETTING DEPLETED FROM   MASS 

Yes they are depleted. It’s a very small depletion, many orders of
magnitude less than the depletion from fusion reactions. The sun loses 5
million tons of mass PER SECOND due to fusion. And it’s been doing that for
billions of years. Do the math. 

> f en curved space  
> cannot explain 
> how the  involved masses 
> are not depeeted from  their masses 
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> Odd Bodkin   Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> =====i can understand why  you and other crocks  are so angry 
> just go on
> and sell your too  precious*** toys**!!  
> that make your and others  business people 
> too reach   

Too rich? You think doing physics is about money? Is that why you’re
interested in earning some notice for your “copyrights”? For the money??

> ================= 
>  
> TIA
> Y.Porat
> ===============>
>>> it has no physics tools for
>>> ACTION !!
>> 
>> What on earth do you mean by physics tools?
>> 
>>> space has no properties
>>> no physics tools - nothing !
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> it is all in mass *!!
>>> actually from mass to mass 
>>> must be
>>> 
>>> a recycling process can be
>>> only from mass t o   another mass !
>>> 
>>> OR ELSE
>>> THOSE MASSES WILL BE DEPLEATD   !
>>> =TIA
>>> Y.Porat
>>> ====================> > 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Odd Bodkin  Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> 
> 



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#698910 — Re: Do we have evidence that gravitation waves are faster than light ??

From	poraty149@gmail.com
Date	2018-08-17 10:34 -0700
Subject	Re: Do we have evidence that gravitation waves are faster than light ??
Message-ID	<b8896276-2f72-40c5-9e3a-8e112d811ba0@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#698892

On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 8:01:59 PM UTC+3, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> <poraty149@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 7:00:15 PM UT gravitational wave motion assuming such waves exist?
> >>>>> 
> >>>> 
> > 
> > 
> > =================there might be observations
> > now the problem is in 
> > interpretations of those !!
> >>>> 
> >>>> Spacetime is the medium. Please note that the analysis of the properties of
> >>>> spacetime is what led to the prediction of gravitational waves in the first
=====
not nssesary!!
======
> > 
> > there might  be situations 
> > in which you make a wrong explantion
> > to  facts that could have 
> > a few interpretations !!!
> > and accidentally you fit explanations to facts
> > ina reverse process
> > ie
> > first you shoot and then move the target 
> > to the hit point ...
> > 
> >>>> place. So when you have a theory that predicts the existence of a
> >>>> phenomenon that wasn t previously expected, and then you go look for the
> >>>> phenomenon, and it s in fact there in exactly the form predicted, then you
> >>>> can be very confident that the concept that led to the prediction was
> >>>> right.
> > 
> > --
> > the f en curved space does not explain 
> > how involved  masses is not depleted  !!!
> 
> They are. Catch up. 

=========
you say catch up a
why not catchop juice ?
  
> 
> A Nobel prize was awarded for measuring the depletion from gravitational
> waves.
=======
Nobel  prize was gives  to   the theory of
the sun and earth  model for the Atom .
of Bohr   ...
===
and
for the god particle that' gives mass to particles''' 
as well 
while particles has mass
since that  Universe is existing !!
> 
======
> It’s small, by the way. 
> 
> > 
> > we are dealing for instance
> > with  planets that are in mutual gravity
> > 
> > ALONG MANY BILLIONS !! OF YEARS !!
> > AND NOT GETTING DEPLETED FROM   MASS 
>=== 
> Yes they are depleted. It’s a very small depletion, many orders of
> magnitude less than the depletion from fusion reactions. The sun loses 5
> million tons of mass PER SECOND due to fusion. And it’s been doing that for
> billions of years. Do the math. 
======
 another cheating as well !!
depleetion  of mass is because
loss by  by em   waves (photon s)
>================================= 
> > f en curved space  
> > cannot explain 
> > how the  involved masses 
> > are not depeeted from  their masses 
> >>>> 
> >>>> -- 
> >>>> Odd Bodkin   Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> > =====i can understand why  you and other crocks  are so angry 
> > just go on
> > and sell your too  precious*** toys**!!  
> > that make your and others  business people 
> > too reach   
> 
> Too rich? You think doing physics is about money? Is that why you’re
> interested in earning some notice for your “copyrights”? For the money??
> 
> > ================= 
> >  
> > TIA
> > Y.Porat
> > ===============>
> >>> it has no physics tools for
> >>> ACTION !!
> >> 
> >> What on earth do you mean by  physics tools 
==================
tools are -mass !!
without mass space is nothing !!
=======
> >> 
> >>> space has no properties
> >>> no physics tools - nothing !
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> it is all in mass *!!
> >>> actually from mass to mass 
> >>> must be
> >>> 
> >>> a recycling process can be
> >>> only from mass t o   another mass !
> >>> 
> >>> OR ELSE
> >>> THOSE MASSES WILL BE DEPLEATD   !
> >>> =TIA
> >>> Y.Porat
> >>> ====================> > 
> 
>  
> 
>

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#698958 — Re: Do we have evidence that gravitation waves are faster than light ??

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date	2018-08-17 20:39 +0000
Subject	Re: Do we have evidence that gravitation waves are faster than light ??
Message-ID	<pl7bqn$1r3l$3@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to	#698910

<poraty149@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 8:01:59 PM UTC+3, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> <poraty149@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 7:00:15 PM UT gravitational wave motion
>>> assuming such waves exist?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> =================there might be observations
>>> now the problem is in 
>>> interpretations of those !!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Spacetime is the medium. Please note that the analysis of the properties of
>>>>>> spacetime is what led to the prediction of gravitational waves in the first
> ====not nssesary!!
> =====> > 
>>> there might  be situations 
>>> in which you make a wrong explantion
>>> to  facts that could have 
>>> a few interpretations !!!
>>> and accidentally you fit explanations to facts
>>> ina reverse process
>>> ie
>>> first you shoot and then move the target 
>>> to the hit point ...
>>> 
>>>>>> place. So when you have a theory that predicts the existence of a
>>>>>> phenomenon that wasn t previously expected, and then you go look for the
>>>>>> phenomenon, and it s in fact there in exactly the form predicted, then you
>>>>>> can be very confident that the concept that led to the prediction was
>>>>>> right.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> the f en curved space does not explain 
>>> how involved  masses is not depleted  !!!
>> 
>> They are. Catch up. 
> 
> ========you say catch up a
> why not catchop juice ?
>   
>> 
>> A Nobel prize was awarded for measuring the depletion from gravitational
>> waves.
> ======Nobel  prize was gives  to   the theory of
> the sun and earth  model for the Atom .
> of Bohr   ...
> ==and
> for the god particle that' gives mass to particles''' 
> as well 
> while particles has mass
> since that  Universe is existing !!
>> 
> =====> Its small, by the way. 
>> 
>>> 
>>> we are dealing for instance
>>> with  planets that are in mutual gravity
>>> 
>>> ALONG MANY BILLIONS !! OF YEARS !!
>>> AND NOT GETTING DEPLETED FROM   MASS 
>> === 
>> Yes they are depleted. Its a very small depletion, many orders of
>> magnitude less than the depletion from fusion reactions. The sun loses 5
>> million tons of mass PER SECOND due to fusion. And its been doing that for
>> billions of years. Do the math. 
> ===== another cheating as well !!
> depleetion  of mass is because
> loss by  by em   waves (photon s)

Yes! And the depletion of mass by gravitational waves is thirty powers of
ten SMALLER than that. 
So it’s there. But it’s not enough to worry about lasting for billions of
years. 

>> ================================= 
>>> f en curved space  
>>> cannot explain 
>>> how the  involved masses 
>>> are not depeeted from  their masses 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Odd Bodkin   Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>> =====i can understand why  you and other crocks  are so angry 
>>> just go on
>>> and sell your too  precious*** toys**!!  
>>> that make your and others  business people 
>>> too reach   
>> 
>> Too rich? You think doing physics is about money? Is that why youre
>> interested in earning some notice for your copyrights? For the money??

Well?

>> 
>>> ================= 
>>> 
>>> TIA
>>> Y.Porat
>>> ===============>
>>>>> it has no physics tools for
>>>>> ACTION !!
>>>> 
>>>> What on earth do you mean by  physics tools 
> =================tools are -mass !!
> without mass space is nothing !!
> ======> >> 
>>>>> space has no properties
>>>>> no physics tools - nothing !
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> it is all in mass *!!
>>>>> actually from mass to mass 
>>>>> must be
>>>>> 
>>>>> a recycling process can be
>>>>> only from mass t o   another mass !
>>>>> 
>>>>> OR ELSE
>>>>> THOSE MASSES WILL BE DEPLEATD   !
>>>>> =TIA
>>>>> Y.Porat
>>>>> ====================> > 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 



-- 
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#699129 — Re: Do we have evidence that gravitation waves are faster than light ??

From	Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com>
Date	2018-08-18 16:48 -0700
Subject	Re: Do we have evidence that gravitation waves are faster than light ??
Message-ID	<510be7d9-3177-45ad-a568-e2f47739db5d@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#698872

Define spacetime clearly and show how light travels through it. 

After that we shall see whether spacetime exists or not, and how valid it is in comparison with aether medium filling our infinite universe.

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#699140 — Re: Do we have evidence that gravitation waves are faster than light ??

From	poraty149@gmail.com
Date	2018-08-18 18:10 -0700
Subject	Re: Do we have evidence that gravitation waves are faster than light ??
Message-ID	<5f04944a-fe48-4b0e-b04e-d1e2599e8595@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#699129

On Sunday, August 19, 2018 at 2:48:17 AM UTC+3, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> Define spacetime clearly and show how light travels through it. 
> 
> After that we shall see whether spacetime exists or not, and how valid it is in comparison with aether medium filling our infinite universe.
==================
 i join to Arindam s  questions 
===
Y.P
====================

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#699173 — Re: Do we have evidence that gravitation waves are faster than light ??

From	Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com>
Date	2018-08-18 23:14 -0700
Subject	Re: Do we have evidence that gravitation waves are faster than light ??
Message-ID	<8273fd10-537a-45d5-b03f-bd6a524c7eee@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#699140

On Sunday, 19 August 2018 11:10:59 UTC+10, pora...@gmail.com  wrote:
> On Sunday, August 19, 2018 at 2:48:17 AM UTC+3, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> > Define spacetime clearly and show how light travels through it. 
> > 
> > After that we shall see whether spacetime exists or not, and how valid it is in comparison with aether medium filling our infinite universe.
> ==================
>  i join to Arindam s  questions 
> ===
> Y.P
> ====================

Oh goody. 
Let us see if traditional scientific methods play any role at all in "modern phsyics".

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#699252 — Re: Do we have evidence that gravitation waves are faster than light ??

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date	2018-08-19 20:42 +0000
Subject	Re: Do we have evidence that gravitation waves are faster than light ??
Message-ID	<plckn4$ghl$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to	#699173

Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sunday, 19 August 2018 11:10:59 UTC+10, pora...@gmail.com  wrote:
>> On Sunday, August 19, 2018 at 2:48:17 AM UTC+3, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>>> Define spacetime clearly and show how light travels through it. 
>>> 
>>> After that we shall see whether spacetime exists or not, and how valid
>>> it is in comparison with aether medium filling our infinite universe.
>> ==================
>> i join to Arindam s  questions 
>> ===
>> Y.P
>> ====================
> 
> Oh goody. 
> Let us see if traditional scientific methods play any role at all in "modern phsyics".
> 

What exactly are you calling traditional scientific methods? Have you read
a sampling of the literature on relativity in the last 113 years?

-- 
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#699296 — Re: Do we have evidence that gravitation waves are faster than light ??

From	Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com>
Date	2018-08-19 21:56 -0700
Subject	Re: Do we have evidence that gravitation waves are faster than light ??
Message-ID	<4e956d65-6495-4d7b-90b6-530476d90f45@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#699252

On Monday, 20 August 2018 06:42:18 UTC+10, Odd Bodkin  wrote:
> Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sunday, 19 August 2018 11:10:59 UTC+10, pora...@gmail.com  wrote:
> >> On Sunday, August 19, 2018 at 2:48:17 AM UTC+3, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> >>> Define spacetime clearly and show how light travels through it. 
> >>> 
> >>> After that we shall see whether spacetime exists or not, and how valid
> >>> it is in comparison with aether medium filling our infinite universe.
> >> ==================
> >> i join to Arindam s  questions 
> >> ===
> >> Y.P
> >> ====================
> > 
> > Oh goody. 
> > Let us see if traditional scientific methods play any role at all in "modern phsyics".
> > 
> 
> What exactly are you calling traditional scientific methods? Have you read
> a sampling of the literature on relativity in the last 113 years?

Yes, I studied relativity in school and passed a course on quantum mechanics for my engineering studies.  I found these the shonkiest subjects I have ever studied. However, with its mathematical voodoo, it is good to impress fools and get money from them.
> 
> -- 
> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#699319 — Re: Do we have evidence that gravitation waves are faster than light ??

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date	2018-08-20 14:29 +0000
Subject	Re: Do we have evidence that gravitation waves are faster than light ??
Message-ID	<plej92$1gpu$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to	#699296

Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, 20 August 2018 06:42:18 UTC+10, Odd Bodkin  wrote:
>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sunday, 19 August 2018 11:10:59 UTC+10, pora...@gmail.com  wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, August 19, 2018 at 2:48:17 AM UTC+3, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>>>>> Define spacetime clearly and show how light travels through it. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> After that we shall see whether spacetime exists or not, and how valid
>>>>> it is in comparison with aether medium filling our infinite universe.
>>>> =================> >> i join to Arindam s  questions 
>>>> ==> >> Y.P
>>>> ===================> > 
>>> Oh goody. 
>>> Let us see if traditional scientific methods play any role at all in "modern phsyics".
>>> 
>> 
>> What exactly are you calling traditional scientific methods? Have you read
>> a sampling of the literature on relativity in the last 113 years?
> 
> Yes, I studied relativity in school and passed a course on quantum
> mechanics for my engineering studies.  I found these the shonkiest
> subjects I have ever studied. However, with its mathematical voodoo, it
> is good to impress fools and get money from them.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Odd Bodkin  Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> 
> 

You studied and passed voodoo?

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