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| First post | 2018-08-16 16:14 -0400 |
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Light Speed Limit casagiannoni@optonline.net - 2018-08-16 16:14 -0400
Re: Light Speed Limit mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-08-16 13:33 -0700
Re: Light Speed Limit Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 15:12 -0700
Re: Light Speed Limit benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 19:47 -0400
Re: Light Speed Limit casagiannoni@optonline.net - 2018-08-16 20:08 -0400
Re: Light Speed Limit mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-08-16 17:15 -0700
Re: Light Speed Limit benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 20:32 -0400
Re: Light Speed Limit mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-08-17 12:55 -0700
Re: Light Speed Limit benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 20:28 -0400
Re: Light Speed Limit casagiannoni@optonline.net - 2018-08-17 08:00 -0400
Re: Light Speed Limit john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 05:48 -0700
Re: Light Speed Limit casagiannoni@optonline.net - 2018-08-17 10:42 -0400
Re: Light Speed Limit Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 15:27 +0000
Re: Light Speed Limit john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 08:37 -0700
Re: Light Speed Limit Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 15:47 +0000
Re: Light Speed Limit john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 09:03 -0700
Re: Light Speed Limit Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 16:41 +0000
Re: Light Speed Limit benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 14:19 -0400
Re: Light Speed Limit Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 20:39 +0000
Re: Light Speed Limit benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 18:29 -0400
Re: Light Speed Limit Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 22:38 +0000
Re: Light Speed Limit benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-18 08:57 -0400
Re: Light Speed Limit Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-18 14:27 +0000
Re: Light Speed Limit benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-18 16:41 -0400
Re: Light Speed Limit Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-18 16:47 -0700
Re: Light Speed Limit Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-08-18 21:24 -0500
Re: Light Speed Limit Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 20:27 -0700
Re: Light Speed Limit benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 14:40 -0400
Re: Light Speed Limit Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 15:09 -0700
Re: Light Speed Limit benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-18 23:03 -0400
Re: Light Speed Limit Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 18:26 +0000
Re: Light Speed Limit benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 14:00 -0400
Re: Light Speed Limit Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 20:39 -0700
Re: Light Speed Limit benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 14:50 -0400
Re: Light Speed Limit Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 15:24 -0700
Re: Light Speed Limit Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 01:20 +0000
Re: Light Speed Limit john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-18 18:33 -0700
Re: Light Speed Limit Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 18:26 +0000
Re: Light Speed Limit john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 12:14 -0700
Re: Light Speed Limit Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 20:47 +0000
Re: Light Speed Limit john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 14:33 -0700
Re: Light Speed Limit Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 21:45 +0000
Re: Light Speed Limit john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 16:28 -0700
Re: Light Speed Limit Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 23:50 +0000
Re: Light Speed Limit john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 05:27 -0700
Re: Light Speed Limit Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 14:29 +0000
Re: Light Speed Limit Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 20:48 -0700
Re: Light Speed Limit benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-18 22:07 -0400
Re: Light Speed Limit Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 18:26 +0000
Re: Light Speed Limit benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 14:09 -0400
Re: Light Speed Limit Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 19:50 +0000
Re: Light Speed Limit benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 18:06 -0400
Re: Light Speed Limit Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 22:22 +0000
Re: Light Speed Limit Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 22:45 +0000
Re: Light Speed Limit mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-08-20 17:54 -0700
Re: Light Speed Limit Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-08-20 21:03 -0500
Re: Light Speed Limit Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 15:28 -0700
Re: Light Speed Limit john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-23 06:19 -0700
Re: Light Speed Limit Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-08-18 16:48 -0500
Re: Light Speed Limit Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-18 16:21 -0700
Re: Light Speed Limit benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 13:32 -0400
Re: Light Speed Limit Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 20:26 +0000
Re: Light Speed Limit benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 18:20 -0400
Re: Light Speed Limit Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-18 15:52 -0700
Re: Light Speed Limit benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-18 21:59 -0400
Re: Light Speed Limit benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 13:21 -0400
Re: Light Speed Limit Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 10:27 -0700
Re: Light Speed Limit benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 18:16 -0400
Re: Light Speed Limit Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-18 16:39 -0700
Re: Light Speed Limit "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 10:35 -0700
Re: Light Speed Limit Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 10:01 -0700
Re: Light Speed Limit john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 10:16 -0700
Re: Light Speed Limit benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 13:59 -0400
Re: Light Speed Limit Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-18 16:12 -0700
Re: Light Speed Limit john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-18 17:04 -0700
Re: Light Speed Limit Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 20:18 -0700
Re: Light Speed Limit benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 14:27 -0400
Re: Light Speed Limit casagiannoni@optonline.net - 2018-08-16 19:50 -0400
Re: Light Speed Limit Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 00:59 +0000
Re: Light Speed Limit benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 06:36 -0400
Re: Light Speed Limit casagiannoni@optonline.net - 2018-08-17 07:47 -0400
Re: Light Speed Limit Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 13:22 +0000
Re: Light Speed Limit casagiannoni@optonline.net - 2018-08-17 10:27 -0400
Re: Light Speed Limit john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 08:10 -0700
Re: Light Speed Limit Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 15:35 +0000
Re: Light Speed Limit john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 08:51 -0700
Re: Light Speed Limit Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-18 14:27 +0000
Re: Light Speed Limit Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 15:19 +0000
Re: Light Speed Limit benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 13:28 -0400
Re: Light Speed Limit Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 10:45 -0700
Re: Light Speed Limit benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 13:27 -0400
Re: Light Speed Limit Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 10:18 -0700
Re: Light Speed Limit casagiannoni@optonline.net - 2018-08-17 13:49 -0400
Re: Light Speed Limit Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 20:39 +0000
Re: Light Speed Limit casagiannoni@optonline.net - 2018-08-17 16:47 -0400
Re: Light Speed Limit Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 20:58 +0000
Re: Light Speed Limit john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 15:12 -0700
Re: Light Speed Limit Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 22:33 +0000
Re: Light Speed Limit Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-18 15:57 -0700
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| From | casagiannoni@optonline.net |
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| Date | 2018-08-16 16:14 -0400 |
| Subject | Light Speed Limit |
| Message-ID | <6kmbndpcjfghtob1ftcn3db8alvpm4mn7p@4ax.com> |
Anyyhing in this unique and sole universe, even an imagined God, must obey the universal light speed limit, c = 3 E8 m/sec . The energy of any mass m travelling at speed v, is confirmed to be m c^2 / SqrRoot [ 1 - ( v^2 / c ^2 ) ] , which clearly goes to infinity as v approaches c , which is to say, that no mass ever attains v = c or likely anything very near c . Keeping in mind : ( 1 ) the simple relationship between distance d, speed v, and time t ( i.e. d = v x t ), and ( 2 ) the very vast distances betwee stars, galaxies, and most astronomical entities, then any travels between these entities would take prohibitively excessive times. This is all the reason why, although we are likely not the only intelligent space faring species, we have yet to be visited by any. Speculation about so called worm holes, is just plain fantasy. No such breach in the infinite space-time continuum is possibly, and none has ever been detected.
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| From | mitchrae3323@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2018-08-16 13:33 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <8b1e9ec0-02ee-4b11-a1ae-2ef48a0352a8@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #698763 |
On Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 1:14:07 PM UTC-7, casagi...@optonline.net wrote: > Anyyhing in this unique and sole universe, even an imagined God, must > obey the universal light speed limit, c = 3 E8 m/sec . God is the law giver... creating all law... He does what He wants... Man plays God... that is called authority... Mitchell Raemsch > > The energy of any mass m travelling at speed v, is confirmed to be > m c^2 / SqrRoot [ 1 - ( v^2 / c ^2 ) ] , which clearly goes to > infinity as v approaches c , which is to say, that > no mass ever attains v = c or likely anything very near c . > > Keeping in mind : > > ( 1 ) the simple relationship between distance d, speed v, and time t > ( i.e. d = v x t ), and > > ( 2 ) the very vast distances betwee stars, galaxies, and most > astronomical entities, then any travels between these entities would > take prohibitively excessive times. > > This is all the reason why, although we are likely not the only > intelligent space faring species, we have yet to be visited by any. > > Speculation about so called worm holes, is just plain fantasy. No such > breach in the infinite space-time continuum is possibly, and none has > ever been detected.
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| From | Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-16 15:12 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <c6e3c6aa-3fb2-40b9-8cba-ba5412f855fd@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #698763 |
On Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 4:14:07 PM UTC-4, casagi...@optonline.net wrote: > Anyyhing in this unique and sole universe, even an imagined God, must > obey the universal light speed limit, c = 3 E8 m/sec . Evidence this is the only universe? remember lack of evidence is not evidence of absence. And if God is outside the universe....? > > The energy of any mass m travelling at speed v, is confirmed to be > m c^2 / SqrRoot [ 1 - ( v^2 / c ^2 ) ] , which clearly goes to > infinity as v approaches c , which is to say, that > no mass ever attains v = c or likely anything very near c . Oh we have gotten subatomic particles WELL past 99% of c. Macroscopic objects, not so much, though there are stars observed orbiting the galactic Black Hole moving close to the speed of light. > > Keeping in mind : > > ( 1 ) the simple relationship between distance d, speed v, and time t > ( i.e. d = v x t ), and > > ( 2 ) the very vast distances betwee stars, galaxies, and most > astronomical entities, then any travels between these entities would > take prohibitively excessive times. > > This is all the reason why, although we are likely not the only > intelligent space faring species, we have yet to be visited by any. A fair sophomore year argument against alien visitation. (Not that I think aliens ever visited.) > > Speculation about so called worm holes, is just plain fantasy. No such > breach in the infinite space-time continuum is possibly, and none has > ever been detected. Sorry but Speculation is not fantasy. Though it is an easy mistake to make. Enjoy, Ed
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| From | benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-16 19:47 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <pl52e1$7e1$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #698790 |
On 8/16/2018 6:12 PM, Edward Prochak wrote: > On Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 4:14:07 PM UTC-4, casagi...@optonline.net wrote: . > Oh we have gotten subatomic particles WELL past 99% of c. > Macroscopic objects, not so much, though there are stars > observed orbiting the galactic Black Hole moving close to > the speed of light. > >> >> Keeping in mind : >> ( 2 ) the very vast distances between stars, galaxies, and most >> astronomical entities, then any travels between these entities would >> take prohibitively excessive times. >> >> This is all the reason why, although we are likely not the only >> intelligent space faring species, we have yet to be visited by any. And the way you know there have been no visits is? Because you say so? Here, allow me to introduce you to "kensi" and Nads. That is their journalist "science" as well. There is considerable testimony and evidence that aliens have visited and are regularly visiting, but that governments are keeping it secret. So how do they get here? The way they say they do it is like this: C is the speed of light. Light consists of waves propagating in the aether. c is the speed of those waves and since it is an aether property there is little chance of something propagating (as waves) faster. But aether is a thin whispy tenuous flowing, but elastic substance. So the question that remains would be what is the maximum velocity of aether itself through "empty" space? Is it limited to c like waves propagating in aether? Why would it? Aliens say the way they travel from the stars is to stretch aether from one location to another and when it "snaps back" it pulls their ship along with it at incredible (but not infinite) velocity. > A fair sophomore year argument against alien visitation. > (Not that I think aliens ever visited.) Maybe you should look at the evidence (unless you are part of the coverup, of course)
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| From | casagiannoni@optonline.net |
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| Date | 2018-08-16 20:08 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <fg3cnd5hdsdaj2avdgnltjbsmgfqtdfk5j@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #698800 |
> >And the way you know there have been no visits is? Because you say so? >Here, allow me to introduce you to "kensi" and Nads. That is their >journalist "science" as well. > >There is considerable testimony and evidence that aliens have visited >and are regularly visiting, but that governments are keeping it secret. > >So how do they get here? The way they say they do it is like this: >C is the speed of light. Light consists of waves propagating in the >aether. c is the speed of those waves and since it is an aether property >there is little chance of something propagating (as waves) faster. > The nature of the character of aliens, clearly puts the burden of proof with those postulating their existence. There is no credible evidence. How did they get here ? Simple answer is they didn't, because that would require spped many times light speed, which is ridiculous. > >Aliens say the way they travel from the stars is to stretch aether from >one location to another and when it "snaps back" it pulls their ship >along with it at incredible (but not infinite) velocity. > Rubbish. Aliens don't say anything because nobody has ever talked to any, because practical travel among stars is clearly impossible. If aliens did visit, don't you suppose they'd provide incontrivertable evidence of their existance ? Well where is it ?
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| From | mitchrae3323@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2018-08-16 17:15 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <7b4e1ae3-ee56-4fde-9c99-1da2038df633@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #698805 |
On Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 5:08:21 PM UTC-7, casagi...@optonline.net wrote: > > > >And the way you know there have been no visits is? Because you say so? > >Here, allow me to introduce you to "kensi" and Nads. That is their > >journalist "science" as well. > > > >There is considerable testimony and evidence that aliens have visited > >and are regularly visiting, but that governments are keeping it secret. > > > >So how do they get here? The way they say they do it is like this: > >C is the speed of light. Light consists of waves propagating in the > >aether. c is the speed of those waves and since it is an aether property > >there is little chance of something propagating (as waves) faster. > > > The nature of the character of aliens, clearly puts the burden of > proof with those postulating their existence. There is no credible > evidence. > > How did they get here ? Simple answer is they didn't, because that > would require spped many times light speed, which is ridiculous. > > > >Aliens say the way they travel from the stars is to stretch aether from > >one location to another and when it "snaps back" it pulls their ship > >along with it at incredible (but not infinite) velocity. > > > Rubbish. Aliens don't say anything because nobody has ever talked to > any, because practical travel among stars is clearly impossible. > > If aliens did visit, don't you suppose they'd provide incontrivertable > evidence of their existance ? Well where is it ? There are no alien's... just people on other worlds. I predict they will contact us first. Mitchell Raemsch
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| From | benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-16 20:32 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <pl553c$aft$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #698807 |
On 8/16/2018 8:15 PM, mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote: > On Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 5:08:21 PM UTC-7, casagi...@optonline.net wrote: >>> >>> And the way you know there have been no visits is? Because you say so? >>> Here, allow me to introduce you to "kensi" and Nads. That is their >>> journalist "science" as well. >>> >>> There is considerable testimony and evidence that aliens have visited >>> and are regularly visiting, but that governments are keeping it secret. >>> >>> So how do they get here? The way they say they do it is like this: >>> C is the speed of light. Light consists of waves propagating in the >>> aether. c is the speed of those waves and since it is an aether property >>> there is little chance of something propagating (as waves) faster. >>> >> The nature of the character of aliens, clearly puts the burden of >> proof with those postulating their existence. There is no credible >> evidence. >> >> How did they get here ? Simple answer is they didn't, because that >> would require spped many times light speed, which is ridiculous. >>> >>> Aliens say the way they travel from the stars is to stretch aether from >>> one location to another and when it "snaps back" it pulls their ship >>> along with it at incredible (but not infinite) velocity. >>> >> Rubbish. Aliens don't say anything because nobody has ever talked to >> any, because practical travel among stars is clearly impossible. >> >> If aliens did visit, don't you suppose they'd provide incontrivertable >> evidence of their existance ? Well where is it ? > > There are no alien's... just people on other worlds. > I predict they will contact us first. Mitch in our language beings living on other worlds are called aliens because they don't come from here. English much? As for "first contact", you are thousands of years too late (as if that is something new). > Mitchell Raemsch >
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| From | mitchrae3323@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2018-08-17 12:55 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <db114b36-c6ec-4b45-b268-1e9a1f61edc0@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #698812 |
On Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 5:32:50 PM UTC-7, benj wrote: > On 8/16/2018 8:15 PM, mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote: > > On Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 5:08:21 PM UTC-7, casagi...@optonline.net wrote: > >>> > >>> And the way you know there have been no visits is? Because you say so? > >>> Here, allow me to introduce you to "kensi" and Nads. That is their > >>> journalist "science" as well. > >>> > >>> There is considerable testimony and evidence that aliens have visited > >>> and are regularly visiting, but that governments are keeping it secret. > >>> > >>> So how do they get here? The way they say they do it is like this: > >>> C is the speed of light. Light consists of waves propagating in the > >>> aether. c is the speed of those waves and since it is an aether property > >>> there is little chance of something propagating (as waves) faster. > >>> > >> The nature of the character of aliens, clearly puts the burden of > >> proof with those postulating their existence. There is no credible > >> evidence. > >> > >> How did they get here ? Simple answer is they didn't, because that > >> would require spped many times light speed, which is ridiculous. > >>> > >>> Aliens say the way they travel from the stars is to stretch aether from > >>> one location to another and when it "snaps back" it pulls their ship > >>> along with it at incredible (but not infinite) velocity. > >>> > >> Rubbish. Aliens don't say anything because nobody has ever talked to > >> any, because practical travel among stars is clearly impossible. > >> > >> If aliens did visit, don't you suppose they'd provide incontrivertable > >> evidence of their existance ? Well where is it ? > > > > There are no alien's... just people on other worlds. > > I predict they will contact us first. > > Mitch in our language beings living on other worlds are called aliens > because they don't come from here. English much? That is the point they are no aliens. They are people Roy Masters. > As for "first contact", you are thousands of years too late (as if that > is something new). We are still ancient. If they are old they make contact first... > > > Mitchell Raemsch > >
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| From | benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-16 20:28 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <pl54rs$a9a$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #698805 |
On 8/16/2018 8:08 PM, casagiannoni@optonline.net wrote: >> >> And the way you know there have been no visits is? Because you say so? >> Here, allow me to introduce you to "kensi" and Nads. That is their >> journalist "science" as well. >> >> There is considerable testimony and evidence that aliens have visited >> and are regularly visiting, but that governments are keeping it secret. >> >> So how do they get here? The way they say they do it is like this: >> C is the speed of light. Light consists of waves propagating in the >> aether. c is the speed of those waves and since it is an aether property >> there is little chance of something propagating (as waves) faster. >> > The nature of the character of aliens, clearly puts the burden of > proof with those postulating their existence. There is no credible > evidence. Because you say so. Got it. > How did they get here ? Simple answer is they didn't, because that > would require spped many times light speed, which is ridiculous. So travel faster than light is "impossible"? Use the short form "I'm a moron". >> Aliens say the way they travel from the stars is to stretch aether from >> one location to another and when it "snaps back" it pulls their ship >> along with it at incredible (but not infinite) velocity. >> > Rubbish. Aliens don't say anything because nobody has ever talked to > any, because practical travel among stars is clearly impossible. Because as God, you know all and see all and therefore only tell the absolute truth when you speak. I never would have guessed you were that powerful. > If aliens did visit, don't you suppose they'd provide incontrivertable > evidence of their existance ? Well where is it ? And the way you know the purpose and what these aliens that don't exist will do would be? Oh that's right the same super-powers that you used to prove they don't exist at all. Make up you mind.
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| From | casagiannoni@optonline.net |
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| Date | 2018-08-17 08:00 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <0fddndtgi8hgee32it3pkml57usuivka4g@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #698811 |
>>> >> The nature of the character of aliens, clearly puts the burden of >> proof with those postulating their existence. There is no credible >> evidence. > >Because you say so. Got it. > No, because aliens are clearly not part of normal perception or experience. >> Rubbish. Aliens don't say anything because nobody has ever talked to >> any, because practical travel among stars is clearly impossible. > >Because as God, you know all and see all and therefore only tell the >absolute truth when you speak. I never would have guessed you were that >powerful. > Nobody, including me, is God, because God is clearly impossible to any rational being. >> If aliens did visit, don't you suppose they'd provide incontrivertable >> evidence of their existance ? Well where is it ? > >And the way you know the purpose and what these aliens that don't exist >will do would be? Oh that's right the same super-powers that you used to >prove they don't exist at all. Make up you mind. I apolagize if I mispoke or was unclear. Aliens are very likely to exist, but travel among the stars is clearly impossible due to the vast distances and limited travel speeds. We have not and will not be visited or contacted by aliens.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-17 05:48 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <c50459ae-8f81-479f-aee2-56ff251814fe@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #698854 |
Odd “Semantic arguments are useless. But Odd, semantic arguments is what your "science" is all about. Right? ” Egg-fucking-zactly
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| From | casagiannoni@optonline.net |
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| Date | 2018-08-17 10:42 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <kendndhivusosolc5irij8upph318ihdrk@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #698855 |
Not sure what you're trying to say. I rely on nothing which is just a matter of semantics. Sometimes semantics will be a valid vehicle for important truths. Science is based on conjectures, many outright provable and some just logical inferences.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-17 15:27 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pl6phe$r9e$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #698862 |
<casagiannoni@optonline.net> wrote: > Not sure what you're trying to say. > > I rely on nothing which is just a matter of semantics. > > Sometimes semantics will be a valid vehicle for important truths. Language is an instrument for communication. If you use language for other purposes but neglect the primacy of communication—ie, shared understanding of meanings—then it’s a wasted exercise. > > Science is based on conjectures, many outright provable and some just > logical inferences. > -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-17 08:37 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <5017467f-37a5-40bc-a146-a098e0eee6a3@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #698869 |
Odd “Language is an instrument for communication. If you use language for other purposes but neglect the primacy of communication—ie, shared understanding of meanings—then it’s a wasted exercise. ” And if you claim that your math relates to reality, translate it into something intelligible- oh! Counterintuitive? Like, nuts? Stupid? A wasted exercise. Draw. Me. A. Picture. Of. Your. Model. Can’t? You are fooling yourself- but that’s easy since you’re a fool
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-17 15:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pl6qne$tcb$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #698871 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > Odd > “Language is an instrument for communication. If you use language for other > purposes but neglect the primacy of communication—ie, shared understanding > of meanings—then it’s a wasted exercise. > ” > And if you claim that your math relates to reality, translate it into > something intelligible- oh! Counterintuitive? Like, nuts? Stupid? A wasted exercise. > Draw. > Me. > A. > Picture. > Of. > Your. > Model. > > Can’t? You are fooling yourself- but that’s easy since you’re a fool > As I said, John blames others for his not understanding the language of physics. His argument is that if it is not immediately clear to a layman, then it is WRONG. And if it isn’t presented like a comic book illustration to John, the way he’d like it, then it is WRONG. -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-17 09:03 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <36f13994-c9a1-4621-b255-bef5c6911841@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #698873 |
Odd “And if it isn’t presented like a comic book illustration to John, the way he’d like it, then it is WRONG. “ Present it ANY OTHER way and have it make sense. You can’t because it’s mathematical smoke and mirrors. And you NEVER will because you DON’T have a model.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-17 16:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pl6tsb$12vm$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #698880 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > Odd > “And if it isn’t presented like a comic book illustration > to John, the way he’d like it, then it is WRONG. > “ > Present it ANY OTHER way The way that it’s in books is perfect for me and I’m a woodworker. Why doesn’t that work for you??? > and have it make sense. > You can’t because it’s mathematical smoke and mirrors. Mathematics is a language. You just have to learn it. Calling it smoke and mirrors to avoid that is just a pathetic excuse. > And you NEVER will because you DON’T have a model. > -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-17 14:19 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <pl73io$1ctr$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #698886 |
On 8/17/2018 12:41 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote: > john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: >> Odd >> “And if it isn’t presented like a comic book illustration >> to John, the way he’d like it, then it is WRONG. >> “ >> Present it ANY OTHER way > > The way that it’s in books is perfect for me and I’m a woodworker. Why > doesn’t that work for you??? > >> and have it make sense. >> You can’t because it’s mathematical smoke and mirrors. > > Mathematics is a language. You just have to learn it. Calling it smoke and > mirrors to avoid that is just a pathetic excuse. And English is a language. Where did you ever get the wacko idea that it is not possible to translate from one language to another? Your ideas are anti-intellectual babble. Suffice it to say, Odd, that even though I am a shit mathematician I speak and understand the language of mathematics FAR more fluently than you do. >> And you NEVER will because you DON’T have a model. >> > > >
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-17 20:39 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pl7bqm$1r3l$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #698942 |
benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> wrote: > On 8/17/2018 12:41 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Odd >>> “And if it isn’t presented like a comic book illustration >>> to John, the way he’d like it, then it is WRONG. >>> “ >>> Present it ANY OTHER way >> >> The way that it’s in books is perfect for me and I’m a woodworker. Why >> doesn’t that work for you??? >> >>> and have it make sense. >>> You can’t because it’s mathematical smoke and mirrors. >> >> Mathematics is a language. You just have to learn it. Calling it smoke and >> mirrors to avoid that is just a pathetic excuse. > > And English is a language. Where did you ever get the wacko idea that it > is not possible to translate from one language to another? Your ideas > are anti-intellectual babble. Suffice it to say, Odd, that even though I > am a shit mathematician I speak and understand the language of > mathematics FAR more fluently than you do. Ah good. Then please demonstrate. Please translate Maxwell’s equations into language plain enough that John will acquire an accurate understanding of their physics content. I’ll wait here for the delivery of what you assure is straightforward. > >>> And you NEVER will because you DON’T have a model. >>> >> >> >> > > -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-17 18:29 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <pl7i7n$59b$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #698957 |
On 8/17/2018 4:39 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote: > benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> wrote: >> On 8/17/2018 12:41 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Odd >>>> “And if it isn’t presented like a comic book illustration >>>> to John, the way he’d like it, then it is WRONG. >>>> “ >>>> Present it ANY OTHER way >>> >>> The way that it’s in books is perfect for me and I’m a woodworker. Why >>> doesn’t that work for you??? >>> >>>> and have it make sense. >>>> You can’t because it’s mathematical smoke and mirrors. >>> >>> Mathematics is a language. You just have to learn it. Calling it smoke and >>> mirrors to avoid that is just a pathetic excuse. >> >> And English is a language. Where did you ever get the wacko idea that it >> is not possible to translate from one language to another? Your ideas >> are anti-intellectual babble. Suffice it to say, Odd, that even though I >> am a shit mathematician I speak and understand the language of >> mathematics FAR more fluently than you do. > > Ah good. Then please demonstrate. Please translate Maxwell’s equations into > language plain enough that John will acquire an accurate understanding of > their physics content. > > I’ll wait here for the delivery of what you assure is straightforward. So if I tell you (oh barmaid and carpenter) that if one measures the magnetic force one finds at every place on some surface in space (say enclosing a magnet) then the sum total of those forces will always add up to zero, you somehow think this is not straightforward? Odd, will you stop embarrassing yourself and try to learn a little science? Even John makes you look like an idiot.
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