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I found the S orbital

Started byjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
First post2018-08-13 08:22 -0700
Last post2018-08-15 17:03 +0000
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  I found the S orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-13 08:22 -0700
    I found the S orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-14 07:25 -0700
      Re: I found the S orbital Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-08-14 11:01 -0500
        Re: I found the S orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-14 11:22 -0700
        Re: I found the S orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-14 11:24 -0700
          Re: I found the S orbital Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-08-14 18:01 -0500
            Re: I found the S orbital Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-08-15 00:26 -0500
          Re: I found the S orbital moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-08-15 07:32 +0000
    Re: I found the S orbital moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-08-15 07:31 +0000
      Re: I found the S orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 08:38 -0700
        Re: I found the S orbital moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-08-15 16:08 +0000
          Re: I found the S orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 09:30 -0700
            Re: I found the S orbital Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 17:24 +0000
              Re: I found the S orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 16:04 -0700
                Re: I found the S orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 16:16 -0700
                  Re: I found the S orbital Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 00:00 +0000
                Re: I found the S orbital Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 00:00 +0000
                  Re: I found the S orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 17:15 -0700
                    Re: I found the S orbital Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 00:31 +0000
                      Re: I found the S orbital Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 00:38 +0000
                        Re: I found the S orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 17:59 -0700
                          Re: I found the S orbital Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 13:18 +0000
                            Re: I found the S orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 06:52 -0700
                              Re: I found the S orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 06:57 -0700
                              Re: I found the S orbital Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 14:48 +0000
                                Re: I found the S orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 08:17 -0700
                        Re: I found the S orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 18:04 -0700
                          Re: I found the S orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 18:29 -0700
                            Re: I found the S orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 19:09 -0700
                              Re: I found the S orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 19:36 -0700
                              Re: I found the S orbital moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-08-16 04:07 +0000
                              Re: I found the S orbital Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 13:18 +0000
                            Re: I found the S orbital Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 13:18 +0000
                          Re: I found the S orbital moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-08-16 04:04 +0000
                          Re: I found the S orbital Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 13:18 +0000
                Re: I found the S orbital moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-08-16 04:00 +0000
            Re: I found the S orbital moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-08-16 03:55 +0000
          Re: I found the S orbital Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-08-15 12:26 -0500
        Re: I found the S orbital Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 17:03 +0000

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#698272 — I found the S orbital

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-08-13 08:22 -0700
SubjectI found the S orbital
Message-ID<3e9edc55-3ae7-4c57-8efe-fa69e66cc37f@googlegroups.com>
Yesterday, I found this path that a maximum of two members can share. I can’t ftp right now because my new phone won’t hotspot my computer, but see it here:
https://www.facebook.com/1rotation2precessions/videos/710369455976330/

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#698395

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-08-14 07:25 -0700
Message-ID<97b32541-e3e2-43c1-9d05-16ad77e2e806@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#698272
The S orbital is a specialized P orbital- it simply has rotation in the 3rd plane.
The sp3 hybridization will also be a specialized P- I will find it, and find the tetrahedron in doing so.

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#698403

FromSergio <invalid@invalid.com>
Date2018-08-14 11:01 -0500
Message-ID<pkuuc4$p7c$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#698395
On 8/14/2018 9:25 AM, john wrote:
> The S orbital is a specialized P orbital- it simply has rotation in the 3rd plane.
> The sp3 hybridization will also be a specialized P- I will find it, and find the tetrahedron in doing so.
> 

s shell + p shell => s&p 500

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#698428

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-08-14 11:22 -0700
Message-ID<21f080fa-fd3f-43d2-8eb3-97e915f8426f@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#698403
Sergio
“shell + p shell => s&p 500 ”
I’m gambling on 2:3

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#698429

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-08-14 11:24 -0700
Message-ID<969b6f9f-558f-4396-9df9-6b1336beed11@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#698403
This means I must redo my Hydrogen and Helium models. All of you will be waiting impatiently, I’m sure.

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#698466

FromSergio <invalid@invalid.com>
Date2018-08-14 18:01 -0500
Message-ID<pkvn09$24k$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#698429
On 8/14/2018 1:24 PM, john wrote:
> This means I must redo my Hydrogen and Helium models. All of you will be waiting impatiently, I’m sure.
> 



    could do just one for now.......

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#698493

FromSergio <invalid@invalid.com>
Date2018-08-15 00:26 -0500
Message-ID<pl0dit$snj$3@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#698466
On 8/14/2018 6:01 PM, Sergio wrote:
> On 8/14/2018 1:24 PM, john wrote:
>> This means I must redo my Hydrogen and Helium models. All of you will be waiting impatiently, I’m sure.
>>
> 
> 
> 
>     could do just one for now.......
> 

  pencil + paper, a dot w a big circle round it, should do it, and put a
tiny circle over the dot, and a tiny circle on the big circle, I think.
Could be ovals ?

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#698509

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-08-15 07:32 +0000
Message-ID<pl0ktl$84g$5@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#698429
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>This means I must redo my Hydrogen and Helium models.

You may want to create the models first, before you redo them.

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#698508

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-08-15 07:31 +0000
Message-ID<pl0ks7$84g$4@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#698272
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Yesterday, I found this path that a maximum of two members can share.

You are still missing your explanation of the violation of HUP, violation
of accelerating charge radiation, violation of conservation of momentum
and where is the mysterious external torque from.

Whatever you "found" is not the S orbital.

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#698552

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-08-15 08:38 -0700
Message-ID<056aafe6-3cda-4c3a-8e51-9f98f10b1de6@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#698508
MM
“Whatever you "found" is not the S orbital. ”

If nothing can turn in more than one plane, Michael, I don’t see how you can explain spheres

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#698556

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-08-15 16:08 +0000
Message-ID<pl1j56$3o2$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#698552
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>MM
>"Whatever you "found" is not the S orbital. "

>If nothing can turn in more than one plane, Michael, I don't see how you 
>can explain spheres

Thanks, that reminds me of another flaw in your so-called "finding". The S
orbital is IDENTICAL from all directions, like a perfect sphere. Your
retarded graphic shows different angles and it is OBVIOUS that each
direction is different, thus failing the test that the S orbital must be
identical from all directions.  (And again I am ignoring all the other
flaws, violating HUP, no explanation about radiation from the
moving/accelerating charge, violation of conservation of angular momentum,
etc.

Remember when you tried to show methane and failed because you could not
make the central carbon identical from all directions, therefore all 4
hydrogens were not identical? Same type of failure.

My comment on your "finding", in one word:

FAIL.

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#698561

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-08-15 09:30 -0700
Message-ID<9c265f6b-de8d-4f07-9e2b-724bce445b7c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#698556
MM
“My comment on your "finding", in one word: 
”
Huh
You guys’ electrons can’t even move per your restrictions.
You’ve painted yourself into this ridiculous corner where nothing can be moving in your atom.
Super fail

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#698569

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-08-15 17:24 +0000
Message-ID<pl1nkf$tjm$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#698561
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> MM
> “My comment on your "finding", in one word: 
> ”
> Huh
> You guys’ electrons can’t even move per your restrictions.
> You’ve painted yourself into this ridiculous corner where nothing can be
> moving in your atom.
> Super fail
> 

What on earth are you talking about? They have nonzero kinetic energy. 

You are the one that is saying unless they have fixed and repeating
trajectories then it’s not moving. 

If the square peg won’t fit in your round hole, then you claim *I* say it’s
not a peg?

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#698627

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-08-15 16:04 -0700
Message-ID<02e4d678-edb3-4d63-a299-6ec0b1390601@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#698569
Odd
“ 

What on earth are you talking about? They have nonzero kinetic energy. 
”
I’m talking about electrons in atoms- on Earth and elsewhere.
If their kinetic energy is non zero, they are moving.
If they are moving within the confines of an atom- and an atom is ‘mostly space- then they must be changing direction. If they are changing direction, they are accelerating. If they are accelerating, they are radiating.

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#698628

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-08-15 16:16 -0700
Message-ID<48375e5b-23eb-4a90-9068-786f34a95dd5@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#698627
Odd
“What on earth are you talking about? They have nonzero kinetic energy. 
” 
An atom is mostly space, you say.
Electrons are distributed, you say.
Where?
In the space?
Or in the non-space?
Or both?
You have reached the point where you believe in nonsense, Odd.

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#698637

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-08-16 00:00 +0000
Message-ID<pl2eqd$2eq$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#698628
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> “What on earth are you talking about? They have nonzero kinetic energy. 
> ” 
> An atom is mostly space, you say.
> Electrons are distributed, you say.
> Where?
> In the space?

Yes

> Or in the non-space?

What’s non space?

> Or both?
> You have reached the point where you believe in nonsense, Odd.
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#698636

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-08-16 00:00 +0000
Message-ID<pl2eqc$2eq$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#698627
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> “ 
> 
> What on earth are you talking about? They have nonzero kinetic energy. 
> ”
> I’m talking about electrons in atoms- on Earth and elsewhere.
> If their kinetic energy is non zero, they are moving.

That’s right. 

> If they are moving within the confines of an atom- and an atom is ‘mostly
> space- then they must be changing direction. 

Nope because that implies a trajectory. 

Lol. 

> If they are changing direction, they are accelerating. If they are
> accelerating, they are radiating.
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#698638

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-08-15 17:15 -0700
Message-ID<66565463-5404-4b1f-9f39-8c08b13ba9be@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#698636
Odd
“> If they are moving within the confines of an atom- and an atom is ‘mostly 
> space- then they must be changing direction. 

Nope because that implies a trajectory. 
”
Well- you’ve devolved to idiocy.
Congrats

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#698640

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-08-16 00:31 +0000
Message-ID<pl2glm$4gs$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#698638
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
>> If they are moving within the confines of an atom- and an atom is ‘mostly 
>> space- then they must be changing direction. 
> 
> Nope because that implies a trajectory. 
> ”
> Well- you’ve devolved to idiocy.
> Congrats
> 

Nope. It’s just that real pegs aren’t always round. 



-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#698641

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-08-16 00:38 +0000
Message-ID<pl2h21$4vl$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#698640
Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> wrote:
> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Odd
>>> If they are moving within the confines of an atom- and an atom is ‘mostly 
>>> space- then they must be changing direction. 
>> 
>> Nope because that implies a trajectory. 
>> ”
>> Well- you’ve devolved to idiocy.
>> Congrats
>> 
> 
> Nope. It’s just that real pegs aren’t always round. 
> 
> 
> 

The thing I live about you, John, is that you have such a narrow and
elementary concept set, and everything has to fit in it, or it’s just
idiocy to you. 

If it can’t be drawn or animated, it’s beyond you and so it’s idiocy. You
can’t even grasp zero. 

Maybe there are a lot of things that are not idiotic but are just out of
your meager comprehension. Is that possible?

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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