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| Started by | benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2018-08-05 02:13 -0400 |
| Last post | 2018-08-08 05:44 -0700 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 248 — 19 participants |
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Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-05 02:13 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-08-05 00:19 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Tson Ylor <uo@srsysts.sd> - 2018-08-05 12:08 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-08-05 10:08 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-05 13:06 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-05 12:10 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-05 18:57 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 13:33 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 18:07 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 17:23 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 22:43 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-07 04:39 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-07 13:45 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-07 08:38 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-07 16:56 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-07 20:11 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-08 15:24 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-08 08:42 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-08-08 11:49 -0500
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-08 13:07 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-08 17:02 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-08 12:51 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-07 13:06 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-07 17:27 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-07 12:50 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-07 10:32 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-07 17:58 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-07 12:11 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-08 09:43 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-05 08:27 -0500
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Tson Ylor <uo@srsysts.sg> - 2018-08-05 14:13 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-05 08:12 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-05 12:19 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 06:38 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-05 12:23 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Tson Ylor <uo@srsysts.sg> - 2018-08-05 17:47 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 13:32 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Owen Scharff <nehh@fenohw.hp> - 2018-08-06 18:05 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 17:15 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Owen Scharff <nehh@fenohw.hn> - 2018-08-07 09:21 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-08-07 08:36 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-05 12:17 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-05 18:57 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-05 13:31 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-05 20:40 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-05 16:19 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-08-06 04:29 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 13:55 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 13:43 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 18:17 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 17:25 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 22:43 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-07 04:42 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-07 13:45 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-07 12:52 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-07 17:23 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-07 20:18 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-08-06 04:27 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 06:13 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 13:55 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-08-06 15:17 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 11:59 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 13:09 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-08-06 15:31 -0500
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 13:47 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-08-06 16:01 -0500
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 14:11 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-08-06 16:22 -0500
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 17:29 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-08-06 21:29 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 14:34 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-08-06 16:48 -0500
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-08-06 21:49 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-08-06 18:01 -0500
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-07 04:46 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-07 13:49 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-07 12:54 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-07 17:23 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-07 20:18 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-08 15:55 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-08 13:00 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-08 09:53 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-08 09:57 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-08 17:23 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-08 18:00 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-08 22:22 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-08 17:54 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-08 15:05 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-08 15:24 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-08 19:53 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-08-09 11:49 -0500
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-09 18:27 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-09 22:47 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-09 19:11 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 15:08 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 12:30 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 16:43 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 15:05 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 18:30 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 23:05 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-11 03:12 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-11 03:15 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-11 13:55 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-13 10:25 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 06:52 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-08-10 09:36 -0500
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-08-07 01:58 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 21:45 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-07 09:48 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-08-07 17:29 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 21:29 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-07 09:46 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 06:44 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 13:41 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 13:39 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-06 19:22 -0500
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 18:14 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-07 01:49 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 18:55 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-07 04:54 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-08-06 22:17 -0500
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-05 18:41 -0500
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-08-06 08:59 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 16:24 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-08-06 11:20 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 06:40 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 14:27 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-08-05 22:50 -0500
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 13:51 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-08-06 13:08 -0500
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2018-08-05 12:23 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-05 19:31 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2018-08-05 13:09 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-08-07 11:40 +1000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-07 01:49 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-07 04:53 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Owen Scharff <nehh@fenohw.hn> - 2018-08-07 10:02 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-08-07 08:55 -0500
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-07 13:05 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-07 11:24 -0500
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-07 16:56 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-07 20:04 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-08 09:05 +0200
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-08-08 17:14 +1000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-08 10:34 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-08 07:45 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-08 11:18 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-08 20:16 +0200
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-08-09 09:15 +1000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-08 19:57 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-08-09 11:48 +1000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-09 11:02 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-08 11:08 -0500
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-08 13:23 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-08 20:26 +0200
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-08 14:52 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-08 20:06 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-09 10:15 -0500
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-09 12:48 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-11 23:37 -0500
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Owen Scharff <nehh@fenvhw.ho> - 2018-08-12 11:31 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Owen Scharff <nehh@fenvhw.ho> - 2018-08-12 11:34 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-12 10:09 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-12 21:29 -0500
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Lovu Biftek <ufeli@fupuks.cl> - 2018-08-13 10:53 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-13 11:41 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-15 18:56 -0500
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 17:24 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 14:32 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 13:22 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 18:59 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 20:19 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 00:59 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 06:33 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 11:33 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 08:53 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 16:00 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 09:19 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 16:46 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 10:30 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 20:54 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 14:13 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 13:43 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 20:54 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 13:37 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 10:52 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 20:54 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 11:17 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 12:09 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 20:58 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 15:19 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 22:33 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 15:55 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-18 14:11 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-18 07:22 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-18 15:56 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-18 11:03 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-18 18:32 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-18 14:21 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 00:15 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-18 17:35 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 02:38 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 02:54 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-18 19:15 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 14:01 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-08-19 22:20 -0500
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 14:29 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-18 16:31 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-18 15:44 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-18 21:57 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 20:02 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 14:21 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 00:15 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-18 22:03 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 20:05 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 14:39 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 14:22 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 19:44 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-18 16:30 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 00:15 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-18 22:01 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 14:01 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 12:39 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 18:35 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 14:12 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 19:44 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 20:15 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 05:43 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 07:23 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 14:25 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-18 15:38 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-18 16:06 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 02:38 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 20:54 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 15:24 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 20:01 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-08 23:55 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-09 10:58 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-09 15:26 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-09 12:36 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-09 17:53 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-09 12:21 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-09 21:49 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-09 19:28 -0400
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 15:08 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 07:01 -0700
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. Owen Scharff <nehh@fenohw.hn> - 2018-08-08 11:12 +0000
Re: Rub Odd's nose in it. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-08 05:44 -0700
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2018-08-06 15:17 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pk9oqb$i3r$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #697217 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >MM >"You won't ever explain why what you consider logical is logical or >why Odd has "zero logic". " >You are asking why a point particle is illogical? Yes. Explain, but use actual logic in your explanation.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-06 11:59 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <6e2951fb-a47c-4671-96a7-f3d06511388e@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #697238 |
MM “ >You are asking why a point particle is illogical? Yes. Explain, but use actual logic in your explanation.” Get a 5 year old to explain that to you.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-06 13:09 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <90c38e35-6a8f-49fd-acb6-1234be8a826f@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #697298 |
MM ] A point particle is an appropriate representation of any object whose size, shape, and structure is irrelevant in a given context. For example, from far enough away, any finite-size object will look like and behave as a point-like object.” You see, Michael? ANY particles are points FROM FAR ENOUGH AWAY. They aren’t ACTUALLY points. In the given context- science completely ignorant of size shape and structure as is QM- what else can they say?
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| From | Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-06 15:31 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <pkab79$hc6$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #697305 |
On 8/6/2018 3:09 PM, john wrote: > MM > ] A point particle is an appropriate representation of any object whose size, shape, and structure is irrelevant in a given context. For example, from far enough away, any finite-size object will look like and behave as a point-like object.” > You see, Michael? > ANY particles are points FROM FAR ENOUGH AWAY. > They aren’t ACTUALLY points. > In the given context- science completely ignorant of size shape and structure as is QM- what else can they say? > so, a point up close is HUGE !! Mega FAT Particles real close up! actually, you must be talking about 3D space, where things decrease in size by distance squared. in 1D space, a line, the point is 100% huge all the time anywhere on the line. so, Question is, what happens with a point in 2D space (a flat plane) ?
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-06 13:47 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <3b6e7781-9ec5-494f-a282-8bddd94023de@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #697306 |
Sergio “so, Question is, what happens with a point in 2D space (a flat plane) ? ” Another idiot
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| From | Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-06 16:01 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <pkacvr$jt9$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #697307 |
On 8/6/2018 3:47 PM, john wrote: > Sergio > “so, Question is, what happens with a point in 2D space (a flat plane) ? > ” > Another idiot > need a hint ?
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-06 14:11 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <424415d9-3390-43e2-b6b2-e3cc75bf23b0@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #697310 |
Sergio “need a hint ? ” Let me guess- Flatland is one of the several books you completed.
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| From | Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-06 16:22 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <pkae6s$m4n$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #697311 |
On 8/6/2018 4:11 PM, john wrote: > Sergio > “need a hint ? ” > Let me guess- Flatland is one of the several books you completed. > just draw it out on paper, it subtends (angle gets smaller, so 'point' appears smaller) as distance gets larger, or as the inverse tangent of "point size/distance". remember tan(a) = opposite/adjacent ? where adjacent is length from the 'point' to eye ? and opposite is height of 'point' close up? so you want tan(a) small, and 'a' small
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| From | benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-06 17:29 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <pkaekj$m6e$4@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #697306 |
On 8/6/2018 4:31 PM, Sergio wrote: > On 8/6/2018 3:09 PM, john wrote: >> MM >> ] A point particle is an appropriate representation of any object whose size, shape, and structure is irrelevant in a given context. For example, from far enough away, any finite-size object will look like and behave as a point-like object.” >> You see, Michael? >> ANY particles are points FROM FAR ENOUGH AWAY. >> They aren’t ACTUALLY points. >> In the given context- science completely ignorant of size shape and structure as is QM- what else can they say? >> > > so, a point up close is HUGE !! Mega FAT Particles real close up! > > actually, you must be talking about 3D space, where things decrease in > size by distance squared. > > in 1D space, a line, the point is 100% huge all the time anywhere on the > line. > > > so, Question is, what happens with a point in 2D space (a flat plane) ? > > yes they are clearly as big as the width of the line but still their length is zero as well as their diameter! That is not so huge.
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2018-08-06 21:29 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pkaek1$eaj$2@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #697305 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >MM >] A point particle is an appropriate representation of any object whose >size, shape, and structure is irrelevant in a given context. For example, >from far enough away, any finite-size object will look like and behave as >a point-like object." >You see, Michael? >ANY particles are points FROM FAR ENOUGH AWAY. Yeah, so? The earth looks like a point (gravitationally) even from close up. (oh never mind that, you don't believe in gravity) >They aren't ACTUALLY points. So? We're not talking about things that look like points, we're talking about actual points. >In the given context- science completely ignorant of size shape and >structure as is QM- what else can they say? Umm, wait, where's the rest of your logic/proof? Is your argument that if something looks like a point, there can't actually be any points? How about this? If Venus looks like a star, there can't actually be any stars???
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-06 14:34 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <e7c6cf8f-3cf6-42c2-a37b-12222a7ac102@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #697322 |
MM “They aren't ACTUALLY points. So? We're not talking about things that look like points, we're talking about actual points. ” Ur an idiot
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| From | Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-06 16:48 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <pkafnl$o4l$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #697325 |
On 8/6/2018 4:34 PM, john wrote: > MM > “They aren't ACTUALLY points. > > So? We're not talking about things that look like points, we're talking > about actual points. ” > Ur an idiot > points belong on pencils.
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2018-08-06 21:49 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pkafop$515$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #697325 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >Ur an idiot That's the best you can do to show me that point particles are illogical?
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| From | Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-06 18:01 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <pkak16$tv7$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #697330 |
On 8/6/2018 4:49 PM, Michael Moroney wrote: > john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: > >> Ur an idiot > > That's the best you can do to show me that point particles are illogical? > points are not particles, points have no mass particles have mass, and fell off of something
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| From | benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-07 04:46 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <pkbm9v$cfm$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #697343 |
On 8/6/2018 7:01 PM, Sergio wrote: > On 8/6/2018 4:49 PM, Michael Moroney wrote: >> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >> >>> Ur an idiot >> >> That's the best you can do to show me that point particles are illogical? >> > > points are not particles, points have no mass > > particles have mass, and fell off of something > Nah Sergio. You don't get it. Some things like Tinkerbell have volume but no mass. Other things like "point particles" have mass but no volume. Remember that in odds world, reality is solely determined by imagination and thought. if you can imagine it, than it is "real". Simple as that. Of course we are still waiting for Odd to give us the experiment that proves that empty space is filled with fields which simply have a zero value. I guess in that case they have volume (that of the entire universe) but there is actually nothing there, certainly not mass. I bet Jackson talks about this.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-07 13:49 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pkc817$1at9$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #697402 |
benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> wrote: > On 8/6/2018 7:01 PM, Sergio wrote: >> On 8/6/2018 4:49 PM, Michael Moroney wrote: >>> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >>> >>>> Ur an idiot >>> >>> That's the best you can do to show me that point particles are illogical? >>> >> >> points are not particles, points have no mass >> >> particles have mass, and fell off of something >> > Nah Sergio. You don't get it. Some things like Tinkerbell have volume > but no mass. Other things like "point particles" have mass but no > volume. Remember that in odds world, reality is solely determined by > imagination and thought. if you can imagine it, than it is "real". > Simple as that. > > Of course we are still waiting for Odd to give us the experiment that > proves that empty space is filled with fields which simply have a zero > value. I guess in that case they have volume (that of the entire > universe) but there is actually nothing there, certainly not mass. > I bet Jackson talks about this. Well maybe you should read some textbooks to find out, rather than just forming your own definitions for physics terms. > > -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-07 12:54 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <pkcirj$1u78$3@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #697424 |
On 8/7/2018 9:49 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote: > benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> wrote: >> On 8/6/2018 7:01 PM, Sergio wrote: >>> On 8/6/2018 4:49 PM, Michael Moroney wrote: >>>> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >>>> >>>>> Ur an idiot >>>> >>>> That's the best you can do to show me that point particles are illogical? >>>> >>> >>> points are not particles, points have no mass >>> >>> particles have mass, and fell off of something >>> >> Nah Sergio. You don't get it. Some things like Tinkerbell have volume >> but no mass. Other things like "point particles" have mass but no >> volume. Remember that in odds world, reality is solely determined by >> imagination and thought. if you can imagine it, than it is "real". >> Simple as that. >> >> Of course we are still waiting for Odd to give us the experiment that >> proves that empty space is filled with fields which simply have a zero >> value. I guess in that case they have volume (that of the entire >> universe) but there is actually nothing there, certainly not mass. >> I bet Jackson talks about this. > > Well maybe you should read some textbooks to find out, rather than just > forming your own definitions for physics terms. Trick fails. It's your assertion that empty space is full of zero fields so YOU provide the confirming experimental references.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-07 17:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pkckic$1po$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #697444 |
benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> wrote: > On 8/7/2018 9:49 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On 8/6/2018 7:01 PM, Sergio wrote: >>>> On 8/6/2018 4:49 PM, Michael Moroney wrote: >>>>> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >>>>> >>>>>> Ur an idiot >>>>> >>>>> That's the best you can do to show me that point particles are illogical? >>>>> >>>> >>>> points are not particles, points have no mass >>>> >>>> particles have mass, and fell off of something >>>> >>> Nah Sergio. You don't get it. Some things like Tinkerbell have volume >>> but no mass. Other things like "point particles" have mass but no >>> volume. Remember that in odds world, reality is solely determined by >>> imagination and thought. if you can imagine it, than it is "real". >>> Simple as that. >>> >>> Of course we are still waiting for Odd to give us the experiment that >>> proves that empty space is filled with fields which simply have a zero >>> value. I guess in that case they have volume (that of the entire >>> universe) but there is actually nothing there, certainly not mass. >>> I bet Jackson talks about this. >> >> Well maybe you should read some textbooks to find out, rather than just >> forming your own definitions for physics terms. > > Trick fails. It's your assertion that empty space is full of zero fields > so YOU provide the confirming experimental references. > > The experimental confirmation of Maxwell’s equations and QED might be a good place to start, both of which are built on premises that fields extend throughout all space. Which is called out in books that cover those theories. On the matter of books, this is the fifth time I’ve asked what electrodynamics books YOU used in your training as a “trained scientist”, and all I’ve gotten is evasion. You say you don’t have Jackson, but you say for certain that Jackson makes clear in the first chapter he’s going to spend the whole book talking about fields that are nothing but mathematical fantasy that have nothing to do with reality. Which must be why it’s such a respected textbook on the physics of electrodynamics. So, Ben, really, enough dodging. What book from YOUR training as a “trained scientist” do you want to hold up as a reference to what PHYSICISTS say about fields (as opposed to what mathematicians say about fields)? Real simple question. Author, title, copyright date. I’ll go to the library. -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-07 20:18 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <pkdcro$16qm$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #697453 |
On 8/7/2018 1:23 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote: > benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> wrote: >> On 8/7/2018 9:49 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>> benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> On 8/6/2018 7:01 PM, Sergio wrote: >>>>> On 8/6/2018 4:49 PM, Michael Moroney wrote: >>>>>> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Ur an idiot >>>>>> >>>>>> That's the best you can do to show me that point particles are illogical? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> points are not particles, points have no mass >>>>> >>>>> particles have mass, and fell off of something >>>>> >>>> Nah Sergio. You don't get it. Some things like Tinkerbell have volume >>>> but no mass. Other things like "point particles" have mass but no >>>> volume. Remember that in odds world, reality is solely determined by >>>> imagination and thought. if you can imagine it, than it is "real". >>>> Simple as that. >>>> >>>> Of course we are still waiting for Odd to give us the experiment that >>>> proves that empty space is filled with fields which simply have a zero >>>> value. I guess in that case they have volume (that of the entire >>>> universe) but there is actually nothing there, certainly not mass. >>>> I bet Jackson talks about this. >>> >>> Well maybe you should read some textbooks to find out, rather than just >>> forming your own definitions for physics terms. >> >> Trick fails. It's your assertion that empty space is full of zero fields >> so YOU provide the confirming experimental references. >> >> > > The experimental confirmation of Maxwell’s equations and QED might be a > good place to start, both of which are built on premises that fields extend > throughout all space. Which is called out in books that cover those > theories. Theory. Clearly fields DO NOT "extend through all space". Every scientist knows this. Idiot. Read a freshman textbook. > On the matter of books, this is the fifth time I’ve asked what > electrodynamics books YOU used in your training as a “trained scientist”, > and all I’ve gotten is evasion. You mean is all you have gotten is explanation that you can't understand because you aren't willing to think or question your religious beliefs. > You say you don’t have Jackson, but you say for certain that Jackson makes > clear in the first chapter he’s going to spend the whole book talking about > fields that are nothing but mathematical fantasy that have nothing to do > with reality. Which must be why it’s such a respected textbook on the > physics of electrodynamics. Gosh, Maybe it's respected because he agrees with me that fields are fantasy, and not with you that math is more real than reality. (even though Jackson is a VERY mathematical book. (You can't possibly hope to understand Jackson, can you Odd?) > So, Ben, really, enough dodging. What book from YOUR training as a “trained > scientist” do you want to hold up as a reference to what PHYSICISTS say > about fields (as opposed to what mathematicians say about fields)? Real > simple question. Author, title, copyright date. I’ll go to the library. I already used your choice of Jackson and you just rejected what he said out of hand. You are surely a waste of time.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-08 15:55 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pkf3q0$1r0b$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #697528 |
benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> wrote: > On 8/7/2018 1:23 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On 8/7/2018 9:49 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>> benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> On 8/6/2018 7:01 PM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>> On 8/6/2018 4:49 PM, Michael Moroney wrote: >>>>>>> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ur an idiot >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That's the best you can do to show me that point particles are illogical? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> points are not particles, points have no mass >>>>>> >>>>>> particles have mass, and fell off of something >>>>>> >>>>> Nah Sergio. You don't get it. Some things like Tinkerbell have volume >>>>> but no mass. Other things like "point particles" have mass but no >>>>> volume. Remember that in odds world, reality is solely determined by >>>>> imagination and thought. if you can imagine it, than it is "real". >>>>> Simple as that. >>>>> >>>>> Of course we are still waiting for Odd to give us the experiment that >>>>> proves that empty space is filled with fields which simply have a zero >>>>> value. I guess in that case they have volume (that of the entire >>>>> universe) but there is actually nothing there, certainly not mass. >>>>> I bet Jackson talks about this. >>>> >>>> Well maybe you should read some textbooks to find out, rather than just >>>> forming your own definitions for physics terms. >>> >>> Trick fails. It's your assertion that empty space is full of zero fields >>> so YOU provide the confirming experimental references. >>> >>> >> >> The experimental confirmation of Maxwell’s equations and QED might be a >> good place to start, both of which are built on premises that fields extend >> throughout all space. Which is called out in books that cover those >> theories. > > Theory. Clearly fields DO NOT "extend through all space". Every > scientist knows this. Idiot. Read a freshman textbook. Fine. Which freshman textbook do YOU recommend. Because all the books I’ve read say otherwise. So are you saying I should read the textbooks or not read the textbooks. > >> On the matter of books, this is the fifth time I’ve asked what >> electrodynamics books YOU used in your training as a “trained scientist”, >> and all I’ve gotten is evasion. > > You mean is all you have gotten is explanation that you can't understand > because you aren't willing to think or question your religious beliefs. > >> You say you don’t have Jackson, but you say for certain that Jackson makes >> clear in the first chapter he’s going to spend the whole book talking about >> fields that are nothing but mathematical fantasy that have nothing to do >> with reality. Which must be why it’s such a respected textbook on the >> physics of electrodynamics. > > Gosh, Maybe it's respected because he agrees with me that fields are > fantasy, and not with you that math is more real than reality. (even > though Jackson is a VERY mathematical book. (You can't possibly hope to > understand Jackson, can you Odd?) You know, I reread the intro and the first chapter of Jackson looking for what you’re talking about. There is a section I.6 that talks about some of the limits of idealization that are commonly in play, which is true of ANY physical model as applied to a real physical system. That should never be taken to mean that the physical model is a mathematical fantasy that has nothing to do with reality. In Chapter 1 he reiterates that electrostatics were devised in the context of macroscopic phenomena and that the extrapolation to microscopic phenomena is unjustified; this is of course correct and in the microscopic domain, QED takes over, and the stitching together comes in the demonstration that QED reduces to classical electrodynamics in the macroscopic limit. Again, this in no way says that electrical fields in the macroscopic domain are mathematical fantasy. There is nothing in these chapters that conveys what you say they do, and in fact there are lots of statements directly counter to your claim; see the opening paragraphs of I.4, for example. If there is language in the book you would like to specifically call out, try citing a section number and a paragraph you think illustrates your point. > >> So, Ben, really, enough dodging. What book from YOUR training as a “trained >> scientist” do you want to hold up as a reference to what PHYSICISTS say >> about fields (as opposed to what mathematicians say about fields)? Real >> simple question. Author, title, copyright date. I’ll go to the library. > > I already used your choice of Jackson and you just rejected what he said > out of hand. You are surely a waste of time. > > > -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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