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Gyroscopic matter and light

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First post2018-07-07 09:04 -0700
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  Gyroscopic matter and light john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 09:04 -0700
    Re: Gyroscopic matter and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 16:22 +0000
      Re: Gyroscopic matter and light john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 09:34 -0700
        Re: Gyroscopic matter and light moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-07 17:17 +0000
          Re: Gyroscopic matter and light john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 15:15 -0700
            Re: Gyroscopic matter and light moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-07 22:52 +0000
            Re: Gyroscopic matter and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 00:17 +0000
              Re: Gyroscopic matter and light john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 17:26 -0700
                Re: Gyroscopic matter and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 02:01 +0000
                  Re: Gyroscopic matter and light john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 08:14 -0700
                    Re: Gyroscopic matter and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 15:22 +0000
                    Re: Gyroscopic matter and light moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-08 15:54 +0000
              Re: Gyroscopic matter and light john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 00:26 -0700
                Re: Gyroscopic matter and light john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 01:50 -0700
                  Re: Gyroscopic matter and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 10:02 +0000
                  Re: Gyroscopic matter and light moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-08 15:42 +0000
                    Re: Gyroscopic matter and light john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 09:03 -0700
                      Re: Gyroscopic matter and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 16:12 +0000
                      Re: Gyroscopic matter and light moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-08 16:22 +0000
                Re: Gyroscopic matter and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 10:02 +0000
                Re: Gyroscopic matter and light john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 06:24 -0700
                  Re: Gyroscopic matter and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 15:19 +0000
                  Re: Gyroscopic matter and light moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-08 15:51 +0000
                Re: Gyroscopic matter and light moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-08 15:40 +0000
                  Re: Gyroscopic matter and light john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 08:46 -0700
                    Re: Gyroscopic matter and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 16:08 +0000
                      Re: Gyroscopic matter and light john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 09:15 -0700
                        Re: Gyroscopic matter and light moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-08 16:40 +0000
                        Re: Gyroscopic matter and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 17:00 +0000
                          Re: Gyroscopic matter and light john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 15:09 -0700
                    Re: Gyroscopic matter and light moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-08 16:20 +0000
            Re: Gyroscopic matter and light mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-07 19:08 -0700
          Re: Gyroscopic matter and light Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-07-07 18:17 -0500
            Re: Gyroscopic matter and light poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-08 05:03 -0700
        Re: Gyroscopic matter and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 19:48 +0000
        Re: Gyroscopic matter and light "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 13:19 -0700
          Re: Gyroscopic matter and light "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-07-07 13:45 -0700
          Re: Gyroscopic matter and light mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-07 14:07 -0700
            Re: Gyroscopic matter and light "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-07-07 14:22 -0700
      Re: Gyroscopic matter and light "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 13:20 -0700
        Re: Gyroscopic matter and light "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-07-07 13:53 -0700
    Re: Gyroscopic matter and light pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-07-07 13:12 -0700
    Re: Gyroscopic matter and light mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-07 20:33 -0700

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#693091

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-07-08 06:24 -0700
Message-ID<a92fc9f5-bfff-438f-a780-a886fefd5b69@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#693072
Odd

“A wave is a sinusoidal function.  Nothing is rotating in a wave, ” 
I dare you  to construct a sinusoidal wave without using rotation. 
Silence?

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#693101

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-07-08 15:19 +0000
Message-ID<phta1k$8t6$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#693091
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> 
> “A wave is a sinusoidal function.  Nothing is rotating in a wave, ” 
> I dare you  to construct a sinusoidal wave without using rotation. 
> Silence?
> 

I just gave you an example. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#693107

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-07-08 15:51 +0000
Message-ID<phtbtg$o9e$3@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#693091
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Odd

>"A wave is a sinusoidal function.  Nothing is rotating in a wave,
>"
>I dare you  to construct a sinusoidal wave without using rotation.
>Silence?

Any solution to the differential equation y" + ky = 0, k > 0.
If y corresponds to a position, then y" is its acceleration. The 
previously mentioned mass hanging from a spring, for example. Nothing 
rotating.

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#693103

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-07-08 15:40 +0000
Message-ID<phtba1$o9e$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#693072
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Odd
>"A wave is a sinusoidal function. Nothing is rotating in a wave,
>"
>I dare you to construct a sinusoidal wave without using rotation.

Mass suspended from a spring, with no damping.

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#693105

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-07-08 08:46 -0700
Message-ID<78a50d9d-e7fa-4ba4-bb74-abc2e56d4beb@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#693103
MM
“Mass suspended from a spring, with no damping. ”
No.

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#693110

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-07-08 16:08 +0000
Message-ID<phtctc$dqj$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#693105
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> MM
> “Mass suspended from a spring, with no damping. ”
> No.
> 

That is sinusoidal motion.  No rotation. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#693113

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-07-08 09:15 -0700
Message-ID<3bbbfc6a-61c2-43e0-9472-3d4d7b95541a@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#693110
Odd
“That is sinusoidal motion.  No rotation. ”
Oh, but the spring is twisting back and forth.

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#693116

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-07-08 16:40 +0000
Message-ID<phtepp$mip$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#693113
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Odd
>"That is sinusoidal motion.  No rotation. "
>Oh, but the spring is twisting back and forth.

What twisting? Good grief.

Maybe certain real-life non-ideal coil springs may twist but the spring
equation applies anywhere where the ODE is the behavior, such as rubber
or steel rods. No twisting in y" + ky = 0, it's one dimensional.

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#693117

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-07-08 17:00 +0000
Message-ID<phtfv9$io9$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#693113
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> “That is sinusoidal motion.  No rotation. ”
> Oh, but the spring is twisting back and forth.
> 

I don’t think so, John. Try it. Put a rectangular weight at the bottom of a
screen door spring and let it bounce around equilibrium. The rectangular
weight won’t necessary rotate back and forth. 

Stop trying to get nature to conform to what your common sense says it
should. Instead, do the test. 
I.e. do a little work Heather than just “thinking about things”, the lazy
guy’s easy way out. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#693186

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-07-08 15:09 -0700
Message-ID<3ef27555-73b8-413d-a5d1-08106ac267ac@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#693117
Odd
“do a little work Heather than just “thinking about things”, the lazy ”
I keep up- why is the galactic disc double-layered with new stars on one side and old on the other? Because new stars are created near the center and flow outward, while old stars flow inward until they are recycled at the center.
Or why do you think, Odd?

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#693114

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-07-08 16:20 +0000
Message-ID<phtdju$ad2$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#693105
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>MM
>"Mass suspended from a spring, with no damping. "
>No.

What do you mean "no"?  Mass on a spring ths the classic example from
ordinary differential equation courses and freshman physics.

The solution to y" + ky = 0 is A cos(wt) + B sin(wt)  where w = sqrt(k)
and A and B depend on initial conditions. For mass on a spring, y is the
position as a function of time, therefore y" is the acceleration from the
spring.

As I stated, all solutions of y" + ky = 0, k > 0 are sinusoidal,
regardless of whether rotation is involved.

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#693051

Frommitchrae3323@gmail.com
Date2018-07-07 19:08 -0700
Message-ID<03dab08c-e0c4-48de-89fe-766a94a8c695@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#693015
On Saturday, July 7, 2018 at 3:15:32 PM UTC-7, john wrote:
> MM
> “Light has an electric field in one plane and a magnetic field, in phase, 
> in a plane at a right angle to the electric field. 

The electric magnetic fields of light are double force Sin curve waves...

Probability is light's third wave...


Mitchell Raemsch

> No spin. ”
> So, they’re ‘in phase’, but this doesn’t relate to spin? What exactly, DOES it relate to? Not a sinusoidal function, I hope, because that sure sounds like spin. But I’m sure you have some other explanation

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#693025

FromSergio <invalid@invalid.com>
Date2018-07-07 18:17 -0500
Message-ID<phrhmr$1nfi$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#692954
On 7/7/2018 12:17 PM, Michael Moroney wrote:
> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> Odd
>> "Not true. "
>> What is it about light, then, that is in phase, if not spin?
> 
> Light has an electric field in one plane and a magnetic field, in phase,
> in a plane at a right angle to the electric field.
> No spin.


depends on how you think about it, the E field and H field are 90
degrees out of phase, (but in phase 90 degrees apart)

> 
>> Enlighten us, Odd

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#693088

Fromporaty6@gmail.com
Date2018-07-08 05:03 -0700
Message-ID<99b6a687-3fb5-4d53-b494-b7895f135a2d@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#693025
On Sunday, July 8, 2018 at 2:17:52 AM UTC+3, Sergio wrote:
> On 7/7/2018 12:17 PM, Michael Moroney wrote:
> > john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:
> > 
> >> Odd
> >> "Not true. "
> >> What is it about light, then, that is in phase, if not spin?
> > 
> > Light has an electric field in one plane and a magnetic field, in phase,
> > in a plane at a right angle to the electric field.
> > No spin.
> 
> 
> depends on how you think about it, the E field and H field are 90
> degrees out of phase, (but in phase 90 degrees apart)
> 
> > 
> >> Enlighten us, Odd

===================
see
the helix model for the photon 
====
TIA
Y.Porat
=======================

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#692977

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-07-07 19:48 +0000
Message-ID<phr5df$14sn$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#692951
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> “Not true. ”
> What is it about light, then, that is in phase, if not spin?
> Enlighten us, Odd
> 

Getting answers by blind guessing, John?

Howzat working for ya?

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#692983

From"reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com>
Date2018-07-07 13:19 -0700
Message-ID<766f98e8-a688-48a2-97f9-079ff95f71b2@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#692951
On Saturday, July 7, 2018 at 9:34:54 AM UTC-7, john wrote:
> Odd
> “Not true. ”
> What is it about light, then, that is in phase, if not spin?
> Enlighten us, Odd

All particles spin.It would not be an electron if it does not spin.Reality is our universe spins to the left,and our twin universe to the right.I'm talking anti,and also thinking how coupling fits in.Bert  Ps my "Spin is in Theory " seems well on its way to reality

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#692987

From"hanson" <hanson@quick.net>
Date2018-07-07 13:45 -0700
Message-ID<phr8qi$ki$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#692983
"reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> wrote:
"My "Spin is insane Theory " seems well on its way to
reality" that shows how Bert lied since Bert never 
answered the post regarding Bert's 3" Light stoppage, 
that would have gotten him Nobel-claiming info". Bert

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#692992

Frommitchrae3323@gmail.com
Date2018-07-07 14:07 -0700
Message-ID<9fec0e0f-4364-425f-bf14-e7f5086dfa60@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#692983
On Saturday, July 7, 2018 at 1:19:39 PM UTC-7, reber G=emc^2 wrote:
> On Saturday, July 7, 2018 at 9:34:54 AM UTC-7, john wrote:
> > Odd
> > “Not true. ”
> > What is it about light, then, that is in phase, if not spin?
> > Enlighten us, Odd
> 
> All particles spin.It would not be an electron if it does not spin.Reality is our universe spins to the left,and our twin universe to the right.I'm talking anti,and also thinking how coupling fits in.Bert  Ps my "Spin is in Theory " seems well on its way to reality

wheels tops frames don't spin. Instead they rotate
in a round curve. In Centrifuges there is a spiral out curve.
Particles don't do either of the two.
Spin requires a changing size of radius...
like the ice skater using her arms
that creates the spin or slow fast appearance
of rotation speed. There is a difference...
Round and spiral curves for a speed...

Mitchell Raemsch

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#692998

From"hanson" <hanson@quick.net>
Date2018-07-07 14:22 -0700
Message-ID<phrav3$dlk$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#692992
Mitchell Raemsch <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> 
beat off onto his Bible and then smeared it justifiably
onto  "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> 
>
hmmm...<snicker> <chuckle> <chortle> ROTFLMAO

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#692984

From"reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com>
Date2018-07-07 13:20 -0700
Message-ID<33f45bce-bbe0-4636-9cfd-38741ce325c6@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#692947
On Saturday, July 7, 2018 at 9:22:10 AM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> > If two orthogonal spins are IN PHASE, they can be linked. 
> 
> Not true. 
> 
> >This is the case for light.
> > Think about a gyroscope. It is spinning in ONE plane, and doesn’t want to
> > be moved out of it. It will deflect efforts to do so in another direction.
> > Now, consider something with two orthogonal in-phase spins: ANY force on
> > it will move it exclusively along  ONE line- the intersection of those two planes!
> > Light photons are simply being PUSHED the only direction they can go by
> > the pressure of Space!! So, perhaps red-shifting just reflects less pressure.
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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