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| Started by | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2018-07-07 09:04 -0700 |
| Last post | 2018-07-07 20:33 -0700 |
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Gyroscopic matter and light john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 09:04 -0700
Re: Gyroscopic matter and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 16:22 +0000
Re: Gyroscopic matter and light john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 09:34 -0700
Re: Gyroscopic matter and light moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-07 17:17 +0000
Re: Gyroscopic matter and light john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 15:15 -0700
Re: Gyroscopic matter and light moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-07 22:52 +0000
Re: Gyroscopic matter and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 00:17 +0000
Re: Gyroscopic matter and light john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 17:26 -0700
Re: Gyroscopic matter and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 02:01 +0000
Re: Gyroscopic matter and light john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 08:14 -0700
Re: Gyroscopic matter and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 15:22 +0000
Re: Gyroscopic matter and light moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-08 15:54 +0000
Re: Gyroscopic matter and light john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 00:26 -0700
Re: Gyroscopic matter and light john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 01:50 -0700
Re: Gyroscopic matter and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 10:02 +0000
Re: Gyroscopic matter and light moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-08 15:42 +0000
Re: Gyroscopic matter and light john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 09:03 -0700
Re: Gyroscopic matter and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 16:12 +0000
Re: Gyroscopic matter and light moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-08 16:22 +0000
Re: Gyroscopic matter and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 10:02 +0000
Re: Gyroscopic matter and light john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 06:24 -0700
Re: Gyroscopic matter and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 15:19 +0000
Re: Gyroscopic matter and light moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-08 15:51 +0000
Re: Gyroscopic matter and light moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-08 15:40 +0000
Re: Gyroscopic matter and light john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 08:46 -0700
Re: Gyroscopic matter and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 16:08 +0000
Re: Gyroscopic matter and light john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 09:15 -0700
Re: Gyroscopic matter and light moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-08 16:40 +0000
Re: Gyroscopic matter and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 17:00 +0000
Re: Gyroscopic matter and light john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 15:09 -0700
Re: Gyroscopic matter and light moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-08 16:20 +0000
Re: Gyroscopic matter and light mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-07 19:08 -0700
Re: Gyroscopic matter and light Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-07-07 18:17 -0500
Re: Gyroscopic matter and light poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-08 05:03 -0700
Re: Gyroscopic matter and light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 19:48 +0000
Re: Gyroscopic matter and light "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 13:19 -0700
Re: Gyroscopic matter and light "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-07-07 13:45 -0700
Re: Gyroscopic matter and light mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-07 14:07 -0700
Re: Gyroscopic matter and light "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-07-07 14:22 -0700
Re: Gyroscopic matter and light "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 13:20 -0700
Re: Gyroscopic matter and light "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-07-07 13:53 -0700
Re: Gyroscopic matter and light pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-07-07 13:12 -0700
Re: Gyroscopic matter and light mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-07 20:33 -0700
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-08 06:24 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <a92fc9f5-bfff-438f-a780-a886fefd5b69@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #693072 |
Odd “A wave is a sinusoidal function. Nothing is rotating in a wave, ” I dare you to construct a sinusoidal wave without using rotation. Silence?
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-08 15:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <phta1k$8t6$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #693091 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > Odd > > “A wave is a sinusoidal function. Nothing is rotating in a wave, ” > I dare you to construct a sinusoidal wave without using rotation. > Silence? > I just gave you an example. -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2018-07-08 15:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <phtbtg$o9e$3@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #693091 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >Odd >"A wave is a sinusoidal function. Nothing is rotating in a wave, >" >I dare you to construct a sinusoidal wave without using rotation. >Silence? Any solution to the differential equation y" + ky = 0, k > 0. If y corresponds to a position, then y" is its acceleration. The previously mentioned mass hanging from a spring, for example. Nothing rotating.
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2018-07-08 15:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <phtba1$o9e$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #693072 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >Odd >"A wave is a sinusoidal function. Nothing is rotating in a wave, >" >I dare you to construct a sinusoidal wave without using rotation. Mass suspended from a spring, with no damping.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-08 08:46 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <78a50d9d-e7fa-4ba4-bb74-abc2e56d4beb@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #693103 |
MM “Mass suspended from a spring, with no damping. ” No.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-08 16:08 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <phtctc$dqj$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #693105 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > MM > “Mass suspended from a spring, with no damping. ” > No. > That is sinusoidal motion. No rotation. -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-08 09:15 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <3bbbfc6a-61c2-43e0-9472-3d4d7b95541a@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #693110 |
Odd “That is sinusoidal motion. No rotation. ” Oh, but the spring is twisting back and forth.
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2018-07-08 16:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <phtepp$mip$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #693113 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >Odd >"That is sinusoidal motion. No rotation. " >Oh, but the spring is twisting back and forth. What twisting? Good grief. Maybe certain real-life non-ideal coil springs may twist but the spring equation applies anywhere where the ODE is the behavior, such as rubber or steel rods. No twisting in y" + ky = 0, it's one dimensional.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-08 17:00 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <phtfv9$io9$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #693113 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > Odd > “That is sinusoidal motion. No rotation. ” > Oh, but the spring is twisting back and forth. > I don’t think so, John. Try it. Put a rectangular weight at the bottom of a screen door spring and let it bounce around equilibrium. The rectangular weight won’t necessary rotate back and forth. Stop trying to get nature to conform to what your common sense says it should. Instead, do the test. I.e. do a little work Heather than just “thinking about things”, the lazy guy’s easy way out. -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-08 15:09 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <3ef27555-73b8-413d-a5d1-08106ac267ac@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #693117 |
Odd “do a little work Heather than just “thinking about things”, the lazy ” I keep up- why is the galactic disc double-layered with new stars on one side and old on the other? Because new stars are created near the center and flow outward, while old stars flow inward until they are recycled at the center. Or why do you think, Odd?
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2018-07-08 16:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <phtdju$ad2$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #693105 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >MM >"Mass suspended from a spring, with no damping. " >No. What do you mean "no"? Mass on a spring ths the classic example from ordinary differential equation courses and freshman physics. The solution to y" + ky = 0 is A cos(wt) + B sin(wt) where w = sqrt(k) and A and B depend on initial conditions. For mass on a spring, y is the position as a function of time, therefore y" is the acceleration from the spring. As I stated, all solutions of y" + ky = 0, k > 0 are sinusoidal, regardless of whether rotation is involved.
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| From | mitchrae3323@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2018-07-07 19:08 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <03dab08c-e0c4-48de-89fe-766a94a8c695@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #693015 |
On Saturday, July 7, 2018 at 3:15:32 PM UTC-7, john wrote: > MM > “Light has an electric field in one plane and a magnetic field, in phase, > in a plane at a right angle to the electric field. The electric magnetic fields of light are double force Sin curve waves... Probability is light's third wave... Mitchell Raemsch > No spin. ” > So, they’re ‘in phase’, but this doesn’t relate to spin? What exactly, DOES it relate to? Not a sinusoidal function, I hope, because that sure sounds like spin. But I’m sure you have some other explanation
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| From | Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-07 18:17 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <phrhmr$1nfi$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #692954 |
On 7/7/2018 12:17 PM, Michael Moroney wrote: > john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: > >> Odd >> "Not true. " >> What is it about light, then, that is in phase, if not spin? > > Light has an electric field in one plane and a magnetic field, in phase, > in a plane at a right angle to the electric field. > No spin. depends on how you think about it, the E field and H field are 90 degrees out of phase, (but in phase 90 degrees apart) > >> Enlighten us, Odd
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| From | poraty6@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2018-07-08 05:03 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <99b6a687-3fb5-4d53-b494-b7895f135a2d@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #693025 |
On Sunday, July 8, 2018 at 2:17:52 AM UTC+3, Sergio wrote: > On 7/7/2018 12:17 PM, Michael Moroney wrote: > > john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: > > > >> Odd > >> "Not true. " > >> What is it about light, then, that is in phase, if not spin? > > > > Light has an electric field in one plane and a magnetic field, in phase, > > in a plane at a right angle to the electric field. > > No spin. > > > depends on how you think about it, the E field and H field are 90 > degrees out of phase, (but in phase 90 degrees apart) > > > > >> Enlighten us, Odd =================== see the helix model for the photon ==== TIA Y.Porat =======================
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-07 19:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <phr5df$14sn$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #692951 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > Odd > “Not true. ” > What is it about light, then, that is in phase, if not spin? > Enlighten us, Odd > Getting answers by blind guessing, John? Howzat working for ya? -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-07 13:19 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <766f98e8-a688-48a2-97f9-079ff95f71b2@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #692951 |
On Saturday, July 7, 2018 at 9:34:54 AM UTC-7, john wrote: > Odd > “Not true. ” > What is it about light, then, that is in phase, if not spin? > Enlighten us, Odd All particles spin.It would not be an electron if it does not spin.Reality is our universe spins to the left,and our twin universe to the right.I'm talking anti,and also thinking how coupling fits in.Bert Ps my "Spin is in Theory " seems well on its way to reality
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| From | "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> |
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| Date | 2018-07-07 13:45 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <phr8qi$ki$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #692983 |
"reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> wrote: "My "Spin is insane Theory " seems well on its way to reality" that shows how Bert lied since Bert never answered the post regarding Bert's 3" Light stoppage, that would have gotten him Nobel-claiming info". Bert
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| From | mitchrae3323@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2018-07-07 14:07 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <9fec0e0f-4364-425f-bf14-e7f5086dfa60@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #692983 |
On Saturday, July 7, 2018 at 1:19:39 PM UTC-7, reber G=emc^2 wrote: > On Saturday, July 7, 2018 at 9:34:54 AM UTC-7, john wrote: > > Odd > > “Not true. ” > > What is it about light, then, that is in phase, if not spin? > > Enlighten us, Odd > > All particles spin.It would not be an electron if it does not spin.Reality is our universe spins to the left,and our twin universe to the right.I'm talking anti,and also thinking how coupling fits in.Bert Ps my "Spin is in Theory " seems well on its way to reality wheels tops frames don't spin. Instead they rotate in a round curve. In Centrifuges there is a spiral out curve. Particles don't do either of the two. Spin requires a changing size of radius... like the ice skater using her arms that creates the spin or slow fast appearance of rotation speed. There is a difference... Round and spiral curves for a speed... Mitchell Raemsch
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| From | "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> |
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| Date | 2018-07-07 14:22 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <phrav3$dlk$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #692992 |
Mitchell Raemsch <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> beat off onto his Bible and then smeared it justifiably onto "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> > hmmm...<snicker> <chuckle> <chortle> ROTFLMAO
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| From | "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-07 13:20 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <33f45bce-bbe0-4636-9cfd-38741ce325c6@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #692947 |
On Saturday, July 7, 2018 at 9:22:10 AM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote: > john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > > If two orthogonal spins are IN PHASE, they can be linked. > > Not true. > > >This is the case for light. > > Think about a gyroscope. It is spinning in ONE plane, and doesn’t want to > > be moved out of it. It will deflect efforts to do so in another direction. > > Now, consider something with two orthogonal in-phase spins: ANY force on > > it will move it exclusively along ONE line- the intersection of those two planes! > > Light photons are simply being PUSHED the only direction they can go by > > the pressure of Space!! So, perhaps red-shifting just reflects less pressure. > > > > > > -- > Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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